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Are Pentecostals Really Christians?

Sometimes when I take a close look at the Penticostal churches I wonder. Almost everything about them contravene the new testament that they cling to so much! They have very little regard for the old testament but would not hesitate to quote from it when it supports their selfish arguments, like when it supports tithing. Their pastors take huge millions in the form of tithe like the Livitical priests, even when it was written no where in the new testament where Christ or his apostles received tithes, and even paul made it clear that he requires no body's money as the works of his hands can provide for him. When Christ was sending his disciples out on evangelism, the order he gave to them was 'eat whatever is set before you.' and not demand one tenth of your converts' incomes.

Again, the main massage Pentecostalism tend to carry or atleast flaunts is prosperity. It was clear in the Bible that Jesus never said a Christian life must be that of affluence. Himself and the apostles made it clear that a Christian is not of this world, and that life on earth would be filled with tribulations and that they should be endured for our rewards are great in heaven. He however did not rule out wages by hard work. Alot of pastor even go up to the point of defrauding people so as to live an outward life of their perceived Christianity.     

Again, they don't believe in doing good works, or, they don't see it as an essential part of our heavenly race they stick to Saint Paul's philosophy of justification by faith alone and even criticise those that labour in this direction. They over Christ analogy in the Gospel when he said that on the last day, the whole humanity would be divided into two groups, and to one he would say; When I was hungry you gave me to eat, when I was thirsty you gave me to drink, when I was unclothed you clothed me etc, now enter into the kingdom of my father and then the other half who never did anything like, he turned away, making it clear that good works is highly essential to get a man into heaven. Also, they ignore saint James epistle where he said faith without work is dead and clung to the one they saw easier.

Again, when they pray, they pray like the Pharisees, shouting out loud above their voices and very verbose, repeating the same phrases over and over again, ignoring the Biblical directive that Christians should keep their prayers simple and without vain repetitions and raising of voices but quietly, so that the Father who everything in secret would give his reward in secret.

It was at the advent of penticostalism that things like harlot-like dressing to Church, covering of hair, Voodoo in the Church for the sake of miracles, Pastors frying their hairs becoming a sign of reverence and alot of things that were not hitherto associated with the Church atleast became the order of the day.

There are a lot of things I observed I began to wander if they are actually Christians or a bunch if money making, public show, easy speaking, social organizations! Because based on the teachings of the new testament which they claim to uphold so much, they are not Christian! Based on the old testament which they denounce but embrace when it buttresses their arguments, they are not Christians! And based on the doctrines of the Apostles passed down, they are far from Christians! What are Pentecostals actually? I feel they are part of the devil's end time agenda, aimed at corrupting the very foundation of the Christian faith and her doctrines so that at the end, Christian would not even know what the standard is or supposed to be anymore. For example, most of them claim to have no teachings at all, calling it doctrines and making the word itself sound abhorrent. That is to say, no standard anymore, anything goes!

What is your own opinion? Sincere opinions, Insults and tongue bashings are welcome.

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Thanks for your answer. Any contrary view is welcomed.

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Now, more seriously, are Pentecostals Christians? I need a clear answer.

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I concede though that this is not limited to Pentecostalism alone, however, its popular in today's wave of blind follower ship that men, without any formal training and without belonging to any formal Christian body with whatever motive would jump up and all they need to do is dress flashily, perform miracles with the help of whatever, voodooism not ruled out and then preach in sweet voices and people would rush blindly them. People whose authenticity would have been questioned and their ways deciphered among organized Christianity are freely leading men astray. You might not see things from my point of view, however, the truth cannot be otherwise. Like the example you gave above where youths of a particular Church rose against the funeral of a known cultist, tell me, is this possible among the new generation churches where the pastor reign supreme? Even if the youths are told that their pastor or a prominent elder in the church is a cultist they would never believe, rather, they will call on the wrath of God upon you.

These are my observations from without, you either take it or leave it.

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Jesus cried out to Lazarus not in prayer. It was clearly directed in the bible that prayers should be said quietly(as in secret), without raising of voice and without verbose babbling. (eg die die die and the likes).

Matthew 6:5-8 (New International Version, ©2010)

5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

I wouldn't say much about this.

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Yes, I agree with you that some churches make efforts to aid their member. But on the general, Concerning the gospel of works which is not only absent in Pentecostalism but regarded as a no go area for a christian because it tends to glorify work and not faith, in other words, salvation by faith alone. In that same Bible that the Gospel of faith alone was taken from, there was also a gospel of work but it beats my imagination why faith is taken and work is left out. Just to be clear, it would be wrong too if work alone is taken and faith is left out. I therefore make bold to say that faith without works is dead, in other words, leads to death and work without faith, is dead, that is, leads to death.

On these two topics, both Saints Paul and James dwelt extensively, but lets see what our lord Jesus Christ, the author and the finisher of our faith said about them;

Work

Matthew 25

New American Standard Bible

34"Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:35‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ 37“Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38‘And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or Unclad, and clothe You? 39‘When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40“The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’

41“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; Unclad, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’ 44“Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or Unclad, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ 45“Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did

not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Faith

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned," MAR 16:16.

The two passages above are directly the words of our lord Jesus Christ, the author and the finisher of our faith (and not that of saints paul or james or any apostle), it beats my imagination therefore why one virtue is esteemed and the other jettisoned among those that flaunt themselves to know the bible so much.

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Does it matter if you believe in it or not? its like me saying I don't believe in offer 7, I would rather call it pastor chris' birthday but your ministry christened it offer 7; whether I believe it or not, it still is his birhday.

'pentecostalism' is just like saying 'christianity' we all know the origin of both words but we chose to accept them based on what they define and not the very words themselves. there are several other concepts so to speak which you believe in that are questionable e.g christmas, easter etc

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I would have loved to comment , but I don't believe in Pentecostalism

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Nice topic but I think the question should be "ARE PRESENT-DAY CHRISTIANS REALLY CHRISTIANS?"

You don't want to sound judgemental, do you? Remember, do not judge that ye may not be judged.

The truth of the matter is that nearly all the denominations have experienced a shift in doctrines. This gets me scared each time I read 2 Tim. 4:1-5 because that's exactly what's happening in the churches today.

You know, I've been to different denominations starting with the ANGLICAN(I was born and bred here for a long time) although I was attending a Deeper Life House Fellowship then where I gave my life to Christ. It was after my NYSC I started the pentecostal church (from one new generational church to MFM and now in RCCG).

I really don't see any difference between these churches/denominations, as far as materialism/Tithing and the likes are concerned.

Regardless of your denomintion, EVERY SOUL WILL GIVE ACCOUNT OF HIMSELF/HERSELF ON THE JUDGEMENT DAY because there is no denomination in heaven.

But me, I think I may likely end up in Deeper Life Bible church because from all the churches I've attended so far, they seem to be the best when it comes to a constant reminder of holiness and making heaven.

I'll also advise you all to visit the website below, at least 3 times a week, to keep reminding yourself of the rapture.

http://www.divinerevelations.info/

However, most importantly, READ AND MEDITATE ON THE WORD AND PRAY ALWAYS.

God bless you all.

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Matthew 15:8-9 is very much in existence within the christian community. On that I agree, However the responsibility lies with the Christian to seek the truth, discern and relate findings to what is being preached. Most importantly, live a godly life approved by God.

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@Yommyuk

Well you may be right, but majority of pentecostal churches today are preaching false and man made doctrines and presenting i as the word of God. However i is not only the pentecostals that are to blame most church denominations have added their own doctrines to scripture and they present it as if from God. Jesus already warned us about such false teachings:

Matthew 15:8-9:

8 ‘These people honor me with their lips,

but their hearts are far from me.

9 Their worship is a farce,

for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.

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@KunleOshob

The points highlighted on this thread are the following

Tithing

Good works

Praying

Dressing and Hairdos

This points are mostly based on the "current trend" going on in the Nigeria "so called" pentecostal churches. However the original intended question is "Are Pentecostals really Christians?" hence making such points invalid if one wants to take a broader view. The above points are not core to the original pentecostal movement. This is a movement that started within the poor of the society

Did a bit of digging myself and in my opinion a resounding "Yes" as long as the "Individual" follows the original doctrine

That is why I stated that I will not generalise but individualize. That is my life principle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/subdivisions/pentecostal_1.shtml

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@yommyuk

Please go and read the original post on this thread again, i believe it nswers your question. On your statement on "early pentecostalism" it may interest you to know that pentecostalism in christianity is a very recent development and it did not start until the 19th century.

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@KunleOshob

Ok then, pls explain the following

1. What are the core pentecostal doctrines

2. How do these doctrines  not conform to the true teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Base your points on Early Pentecoastalism and build it up from there.  For reference purposes, write on the following

Salvation, baptism and spiritual gifts,Phophesy, Speaking in tongues and Healing for (Starters). and state how the pentecostals defer.

Other Mature Brethens with valid points pls feel free.

Cheers.

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It's not about generalizing or individualizing, it is about wether core pentecostal doctrines conforms to the true teachings of our lord Jesus Christ. On close scrutiny which was beautifully itemized by the OP they fall way below the mark of being describe as people who are christlike and as such christians.

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Are Pentecostals Really Christians?

I for one would not generalize but individualize

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A little leaven leavens the lump.

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@poster very interesting topic.

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These are photographs of a "Christian sister" in her element, employing bottom power as a weapon of man's destruction. Her claims to piety are certainly questionable and her purpose on that occasion was devious. These are the champions of the new "faith" seeking power and fame by any means.

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@Rhino, (1.5bn, 1.2bn, millions)-----broad & wide is the path that leads to destruction, but narrow is the path that leads to life.

@ The Clown, The denominations have been polluted with false teachings & heresies long b4 you & I were born. That's why the true saints (end-time army) are living the church & going back to God.

----I will send you another Comforter, The Holy Spirit & He will teach you all things - Jesus

Work more on your relationship with The HolySpirit & God, so as to reflect the true nature of Jesus Christ.

Cheers!

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There is a way that seemeth right unto a man but end of it is utter destruction.

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Brilliant thread that should hopefully lead to some introspection among the faithful.

As Christians, we are justified by our FAITHFUL WORKS not by tithe, loud prayers, "speaking in tongues" or the like, we must abhor follow follow mentality or "MOG" worshiping because our God is a jealous God and will not share his GLORY with any " pastor, daddy, bishop, prophet, GS, GO, etc."

We must be very careful and "be wise as serpents but gentle as doves" because each and every Christian will have to "work on his/her own Salvation with fear and trembling"

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Please I would like you quote each of what I wrote and defend it clearly. I would be happy to be clarified.

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@poster, I quite appreciate your concern as expressed, but i would like to open your mind and accept genuine contributions based on the word of God. I have  the following to contribute which i belief  would address the grey areas you highlited:

TITHING: I would not like to dwell much on this because many other threads have addressed this satisfactorily. Tithing is biblical. Jesus and the Apostles never condemn tithing, so it not wrong if the church teaches about tithing. The only wrong will be if it is overflogged.

PROSPERITY: The word of God says in the book of Zechariah that he will spread his cities(church) abroad with prosperity. And the scripture also confirm that Christ became poor so that we can become rich, are all testament that God is ready to prosper His children. Note again that the preaching of prosperity should not be at the expense holiness, without which no man shall see God.

CHARITY: I need you to throw more light on this because i know many churches with charity ministry, and many of them pentecostal. Also you needto visit some of churches and see how the less privilege are been assisted.

PRAYING LIKE THE THE PHARISEES: Let me jost correct your wrong interpretation of that scriptural passage. When you are praying alone, you dont need to disturb your neighbours by shouting, that is hypocrisy. You dont need to go to the streets and start shouting in the name of prayer as an individual, that is what the pharisees does. On the same vein there is no restriction to the level of your voice if you are in the assembly of brethren like in the church. The book of Isaiah says "cry aloud and spare not". Even Jesus cried out to Lazarus to come out of the grave. This may be necessary at times if situation permits. It was not meant for recognition or hypocrisy.

VOODOO: This is not new or peculiar to a particular denomination. The Methodist church youths once protested against the church from taking part in the funeral of a particular Oluwo (the head of ogboni cult). It is the sign of end time.

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@poster, I quitecostal. Also you needto visit some of churches and see how the less privilege are been assisted.

PRAYING LIKE THE THE PHARISEES: Let me jost correct your wrong interpretation of that scriptural passage. When you are praying alone, you dont need to disturb your neighbours by shouting, that is hypocrisy. You dont need to go to the streets and start shouting in the name of prayer as an individual, that is what the pharisees does. On the same vein there is no restriction to the level of your voice if you are in the assembly of brethren like in the church. The book of Isaiah says "cry aloud and spare not". Even Jesus cried out to Lazarus to come out of the grave. This may be necessary at times if situation permits. It was not meant for recognition or hypocrisy.

VOODOO: This is not new or peculiar to a particular denomination. The Methodist church youths once protested against the church from taking part in the funeral of a particular Oluwo (the head of ogboni cult). It is the sign of end time.

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Watch them , Birds of the same feather flocks together they say .Men of depraved mind and destitute of the truth. Satanic worshippers, can they say any truth about christianity and the church of GOD?.

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I guess anybody who used the bible as a basis of worship is entitled to call himself a christian.  Of course, the fact that there are over 38,000 cults sects that call themselves christians goes to show that they are all wrong.

However, the pentecostals are the worst of a bad lot. They are intolerant, homophobic, anti-women and see themselves as a special elite.

The problem with them all is the pick and mix approach to the bible. Ignoring the many contradictions and illogical statements that abound in the bible, each sect picks certain parts which appeal to their bias, and then condemns all other sects that have a different take on things.

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React to the topic my friend, Catholic or not, observations have been raised, react to them. If you are a pentecostal, then the above topic applies to you and if you think otherwise, bring your facts forward. The fact that someone else is a Catholic does not guarantee your unbiblical practices, what is wrong is wrong, no matter who practices them.

If you think Catholics are not Christians based on their practices, the ground is open for you to raise a topic on it like I raised this one then we all will discuss it, but making statements without being specific is making no statement at all, less so on a topic that is not related to it. I advise you to raise a topic on how you feel about Catholics and don't derail this one.

Again, do you agree with the thread above? If not bring forward your facts against it, in that way we would get ourselves clarified, you would learn and I would learn too. Your outrage shows your efforts to do something about a perceived attack on your perfect worship, which you hitherto thought was free of error, but can't even say anything to clear the air. This is not an attack if that is how you feel, this is to open your eyes to see how wrong you've been about your supposed faultless and pure practice after all. Open your mind, seek knowledge, remain blessed.

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this guys, i know u are a catholic. If they told you the crime the catholic church committed, you will not enter that church again? You will know that frying hair is less evil that murder. Who are you? What do you know about God to condemn people? Do you know how shameful it is praying under a statute of mary? MARY? MARY?

I would advice u to study hard instead of coming here to condemn.

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Pentecostals are PENTERASCALS

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Brilliant submission pastor, simply brilliant,

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Faith without works is Dead

By their fruits you shall know them.

It is not by what they profess that you shall know them but rather by what is hidden inside them, and how that manifests in their works.

you will not be saved according to what denomination you belong to, yu get me.

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There is a way way that seemeth right unto a man but the end of that way is destruction!

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This is right on target. I assume that virtually everyone knows what is right but most people try to do what is convenient for them or what is in vogue and ignore or pretend not to see what is not convenient.

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@Chakula

First, are you a Christian?

Do you or do you not agree with the tread above?

You don't have to be confused. You either agree with the thread or disagree with it as there is nothing ambiguous to be confused about. But if on the contrary you think some things are not clear, then be specific. As for me telling you who the real Christians are, I leave that to you to decipher for yourself.

Remember the Lords analogy in the in the Gospel, where he said on the last day, alot of people, disappointed would say things like;

Lord I preached in your name, I performed miracles in your name et al but at the end, he would still say to them, 'I know you not'.

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Are you a pentecostal? You can pray to God to help you sort out your confusion and he will.

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Because Mr clown was in doubt about the Pentecostals Chirstianship that is reason for my confusion.

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Why are you confused?

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Confusion! Confusion!! Confusion!!! in Christianity.

So who are the real Xtians Mr Clown?

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@Tonye T,

I can understand your grievances. What you've believed and held as the truth all your life is being attacked! Well, I guess the best way to go about it is by proving the so called 'ignoramuses' wrong. So far, what you done is beat around the bush. If Christ or his disciples admonished preachers to take tithes, then make it clear to us so that we too can believe and as strongly as you do. For now, the only thing you've done is telling us how you feel about it, not why you think its the right thing to do. I agree with you though that people would eventually come to believe as the truth a false teaching they been subjected to for a very long time, unwilling to see reasons why they should believe otherwise all of a sudden.

Again, tithing is only one of several issues raised in the thread above. Present your facts against the numerous other ones or else study into them yourself so that you may know the truth. Anger is only a product of frustration, when things don't go your way. We learn everyday, don't throw reason to the dogs.

Remain blessed!

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This is not an issue of how good are christians? This is a issue of whether they are christians at all. Yes they have to be christians because this is what they are desperately claiming. So we have a right to look at their practices and doctrines vis a vis the teachings of Jesus to ascertain whether their claim is true.

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Do they have to be christians? Are Christians the best people?

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@KunleOshob:

Don't blame all for the insanity of some. I'm certain you know some (individuals) are true Christians

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the lunatic fringe that is the modern day delusional christians on the rampage again, jumping from the arrogance of a my god/belief-is-better-than-your-god/belief to my-religion-is-better-than-your-religion to a my-christianity-is-better than-your-christianity madness of an argument

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They re certainly not,,rather a bunch of deluded RASCALS AND CRIMINALS as evident in the practice of the association of PFN( Penterascals Fellowship of Nigeria).

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Haba! Your statements are so sweeping, lumping leaders and followers together, for instance!

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While I feel that anyone has a right to call themselves anything that they want to, so if they want to call themselves christians that is their prerogative, what is clear is that they live in direct contradiction to most of the teachings of Christ in the bible. They are arrogant, deceitful, willfully stupidd.

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