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Are Yoruba Muslims For Real?

Just concluded a research based on 'pretence in the field of 'Behavioural  Analysis in Forensics.

Data were collected from 60 subjects; 20 Arabs, 20 Hausa's and 20 Yoruba Muslims.

Evidence was that the Yoruba Muslims tend to be Liberal in virtually every topic, which in turn opposed the Islamic faith!

* They believe in white weddings, which is of course synonymous to the Christian faith.

* They see nothing wrong in following a friend to a church once in a while

* They see nothing wrong in using the Christian-like coffins which the 'real' Muslims opposes

* They drink heavily

* They believe the 'four wives thing' is obsolete

* They don't believe the Quran actually says they should kill anything who's not of the same faith as theirs.

* The covering of hair is optional for them

* They Believed in the Kingship and Son-ship of Jesus

* They are not fanatical and doesn't understand the extremism that comes with Islam

And a lot more which I shall be revealing later,

What do you think people? Are the Yoruba Muslims the real Muslims or just a bunch of hypocrites and copy-cats?

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Allah will replace them with better; from any part of nigeria or the world.

you are doing yourself a bad 'favor' and play the devil in the lives of those who accept your ignorant offer.

you can't even invite yourself to what is good. how are you useful to any soul?

invitation to take 'handmade' as master is the most 'non benefiting' invitation.

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the pagan from northern nigeria forgets that the first man, Adam and the first woman, Hawa were believers in God Who created them. there is only one mistake that they made in all the many generations they lived. At that time generation was at least 1,000 years. so belief was first instead of paganism which was disbelieve that came later.

idolatry came after the flood of Noah [as]. the names of the first people believers carved into idolatry by the deceit of satan disguising himself as human adviser to people are mentioned in the Quran.

now to the yoruba obas; Adeyemi [Abdlhamid; lamidi] with yoruba traditional mark can't be a fulani because many a time the fulani were captured in wars. i met many ibadan people where northern people are now absorbed in because they were captives.

Awujale being a muslim does not mean he does not have his faults. i would not become a king because of the pagan rituals.

i think you forgot that many obas from ibadan, a majority of them have been muslims. ibadan, i can safely say is a muslim city, though it was baale they used to have before it became oba.

you are very naive. how many kings, okay emirs in the north who were from get go muslims, until islam came to the north? the king of agbor and or sabogida ora in edo is a muslim. how hard is it for you to know that a person may belief and lives among, in a disbelief setting?

the messenger [as] lived in makka at the height of disbelief. he prayed at kaaba, and the idols were there. he eliminated the idols out of the holy sactuary when he prayed, until Allah gave him victory to eradicate the who idols out of the place by destroying the last of them.

i had made salah and jumuah prayers in churches. i ignored their idols and concentrated toward Allah Alwadud.

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those who are not muslims are not pagans, either. they will say they are christians.

the Oba of lagos is a muslim. may Allah give him and all of us idaya. amin.

oba of ibadan, rarely anything else, but a muslim.

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Alafin of Oyo; Oba Abdlhamid [the yorubas say lamidi].

Awujale of Ijebu ode; Oba Dhikru [the yorubas say sikiru].

where are you from pagan man? you are not yoruba and you know little about the yorubas, for sure.

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@PAGAN dont say they a not muslim,some are muslim and some are unbelivers( KAFIRUN)cos my tribe is YORUBA i kw dem

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@Toba,y a u so silly and gullible like this? Infact u get no sense,if u dont want God to attack ur life never in ur life post any negative tin about ISLAM at this thread again.@unbelivers in general,pls never post any thin on dis thread again cos it is not for u,it is only meant for we muslims,u are worshipping Jesus and call him God,u are all Kafirun.@the creator of dis thread,i should abuse u but i can never abuse my brother in ISLAM,pls watch ur statement,u posted wrong statement,we Yorubas are real muslims,dont say we are fake again,we all believe in oneness of Allah and we read thesame book,we all do dsame tin,we are all brothers and sisters in Islam,we are all in a family called Islam,u are now asking that are we in d same family? It is somehow irritating,about covering heads,to cover heads esp. d females is a must but those dat dont cover their heads dont understand Islam very well,not every muslims are doing dat just few,u made a mistake that we shld kill those that dont believe God,did u read it in QURAN? Who told u dat?GOD says fight them if they fight u. Pls muslims should watch their statement at dis thread cos it will make no sense if we argue with ourselves. About church issue,it is very wrong for a muslim to enter a church and it is forbidding. Pls try to understand d religion

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Y all these nonsense? @Toba,are u fool and gullible? If u dont want God to attack ur life dont never in ur life post anytin dat against the rite religion(ISLAM). @creator of dis thread,why dis thread? I should av abused u if not cos u a muslim,u posted an unpleasant statement,to say d fact,we are all muslims both Yorubas and Hausas,we all read Al-Quran and we believe in oneness of Allah,wat u posted,it is not every muslims that do it,u even made a mistake dat we should kill the pepu that do not believe in Allah,did u read dat in Quran? Allah says fight them if de fight u. It is true that MUSLIMS should not go 2 church,but some that doesnt understand islam see their friends off to church. U said we believe in kingship and sonship of Jesus christ,u are very wrong,we all believe that Jesus christ is prophet to Allah.We believe that we are all muslims and we all practice d same religion,that means we are dsame,pls watch ur statement.@unbelivers,this room is not meant for u,this is meant for only muslims.You dont understand d religion and u are all posting nonsense( kafirun). Pls any muslim dat want to creat thread in dis room should think twice,it makes no sense if argument is occuring within us.

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@pagan9ja; « #97 on: June 10, 2011, 05:49 PM »

[Quote]and if u are a true Yoruba by heart, u will remember d brave Oba Oluewu and how on his capture by d Fulani jihadis, he refused to convert to islam and betray his traditional practices n religion even when his life was threatened by the emir of Illorin and eventually, d Fulanis were d cause of his death. no self-respectin Yoruba wud practice islam, d religion of der enemies dat caused d death of so many Yoruba nobles and chiefs, after he knew this.[/Quote]my yoruba bloodline is laced in yoruba royalty. is yours in yoruba royalty? if your answer is no, i can enter 2 palaces of two different kings, and i am a great grandson to each king lineage. my mother's cousin is presently a king, and i saw him prostrated to my grandmother, his aunt, many times. do you have a yoruba heritage like that in your bloodline? if your answer is no, how can you say the darniest thing above?

i am not a fool like the king who refused what is good. the fulanis who captured him didn't do it because of their superiority in way, but because Allah was with them. this reminds me of the story of Abdullah ibn Mas'ud [ra] who capture the giant Abbas ibn Abu Mutallab [ra] before he became muslim in the battle of badr. ibn Mas'ud's legs, they say was as skinnyas a rail, like toothpick. but Abbas said when Mas'ud held his too hands to tie his arms together, it was as if a big vice was used! Allah says of the same battle, so that you understand divine intervention; When you Muhammad [as] threw the sand as you have been commanded, it was not you that threw it, but Your Lord Allah was the One that threw it.

do you think that i see good thing and don't go into it, when it benefits my soul? such it is that i see of Islam and we in Islam, are not boko haram.

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@Pagan9ja: yo, mr. pagan. banda abbas, is bander bin sultan from 1983 to 2005. i said the gulf war era; of the two bushes.

and you a pagan hausa will no little or nothing about the yoruba history. to claim that from your northern enclave you are better than former 2 times president of nigeria; olusegun aremu obasanjo and the present oba of lagos combine is a sign of mental madness from you.

there is no way an educated hausa man can know enough about yoruba history and indigenous nature better than a 15 year old yoruba proper. we are oral people; our history is passed from elder to the younger in chain links without a break in it.

have you ever seen a pagan yoruba saying he knows about the hausa more than buhari and emir of kano combined, except that such a yoruba pagan needs to go and stay in aro hospital? yet this is what you have imitated here.

[quote]ND THERES NO ONE CALLED BANDA BAS AS AMBASSADOR TO KSA SO PLZ STOP SPREADING YA LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its getin really sickening now, u spreadin all these rumors n lies n bringin ya own ppl on d wrong path. Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

heres aa full list of Saudi Ambassadors to d States ""with"" der pics. i srsly wonder which one of dem luks lyk aa Yoruba, or even black for dat matter. Undecided Undecided Undecided Undecided

list of KSA ambassadors to the USA:

http://www.saudiembassy.net/embassy/pastambassadors.aspx[/Quote]check out bander bin sultan from 1983 to 2005. or do you need to kill humans so that you can regain your eyesight? darn pagan you, mr. pagan. you better go learn about hausa history than to educate yorubas about yoruba history, before the whole world takes you for a madman. you neither have the wisdom to argue nor have a book from yorubas that overwhelmingly argue the accepted convention of our origin.

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@bee444,u are quite wrong.

yoruba muslim are muslims to the core,

islam never blieve in forcing people to join their religion so that s the stand where yoruba muslim are.

they believed that islam is a liberal religion that allows people of different faiths to live together in harmony.

once again ISLAM is not an extrimist faith.

following someone to church is not a taboo in islam,some christian priest entered the mosque n they had conversation with prophet Muhammed(SAW) also they were allowed to perform their religious worship in the mosque so you can see that they practise islam the way the prophet gives it to us.

if you chk the HOLY QURAN very well without biased mind u ll find out that it allows people to live in peace n not in discord.

covering of the head is not optional but it depends on the level of ur faith.same applies to the christianity.

yoruba muslims never believed in the kingship or sonship of prophet jesus(may Allah be pleased wit him) instead they believe so much in the prophethood of jesus(may Allah be pleased wit him)

@toba may Allah forgive u for the words coming out of ur mouth.

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^^^^^^^^^ Have you ever seen the picture of Banda Bas, the Saudi Arabian Ambassador to the US? how then can the whole of yoruba people be all wanna bes? for what purpose? it is not because of islam because there are christian and pagan yorubas who will say the same thing about makka and yoruba. infact no authentic plausible narration is different from the mouth of the yoruba tribe.

many of the companions of the prophet [ra] were black arabs. why should anyone doubt the possibility if one realizes that the mother of the branch of that part of Ibrahim's family was a princess from the then black house of pharaoh; nubian people.

your effort to say yorubas are not anchored by their origin in Makka is an ignorant opinion, considering that obasanjo, the president of the country you live in used his yoruba root in Makka to defend his family heritage.

please stick with your orisha and sango since you are a pagan like them.

even them; the yoruba pagans do not deny the makkan root of the yoruba people.

yoy are neither yoruba [so you can only talk about your tribe because no one knows osho more than osho's mother; owe yoruba niyen], now are you a muslim [paganism is darkness upon darkness upon darkness, while islam is light that illuminates the heart].

if oba of lagos could reference makka preislam of muhammad as a place where ifa is not unfamiliar, then you a non yoruba can't say that obasanjo, oba of lagos and humble me who is a true yoruba patriot, each one of us older than you are naive or ignorant about our tribal history.

i am gonna leave you to your ignorance, you are a total distraction without a benefit.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Cry all you want. It wont change the reality;

from among the yorubas, we have pagans. we have christians. we have muslims. all of us agree that we have our root in Makka.

you are neither a yoruba nor a pagan of the type of what is indigenous to the yorubas.

heck. why should the muslims of yorubaland even look your way?

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When you say dey, how many? do you have statistics to back that claim? pls we should criticise based on evidence, if it is your personal experience you state it. Yes, a lot of ethnic groups in Nigeria including the Hausas and Yorubas, tend to add their cultural behaviour into their religion. It is not a new thing, it might be pronounced in the Yoruba and less pronounced in the Hausas, but the real issue is that it behoves on Leadership in every sub-muslim communities to fight against Biddah. A of recent the current Sultan of Sokoto prayed in ansaruldeen mosque in Kaduna, which indicate that this differences can be overcomed by better understanding. Yes the Hausas do "look down" on certain practices in the yoruba community, but so also do knowledgeable Yoruba muslims look down on negative practices. as for the christians that come here and talk gutter trash, well one thing I know is that the Hausa muslim leadership is reaching out to their Yoruba counter-part and vice versa. so we will overcome.

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@Lepasharon; « #86 on: Today at 12:12:03 AM »

[Quote]haha! im a christian nd iv also noticed dis thing about yoruba muslim,u guys r a joke!

dey hardly cover their head

dey like white wedding ,i have a friend who said she wants islamic AND christian wedding lool 4 real?

dey beleive in the power of Jesus-my aunty watches all dese healing programs and says Amen along to the prayers

dey sing christian hymns

DEY DONT DO THEIR SALAT!

no wonder d hausa muslims luk at u guys one kind,i herd dey even go to mosques on different days,but den again hausas r intolent dey beleive anyone who is not hausas like dem is not realli religious[/Quote]For covering of head, it is not important for man, but only for woman who is in disobedience to Allah. i do not know a muslim man or woman who knows the religion he/she is in will opt for 'white wedding' whatever that means instead of Nikah in which Quran is recited and the Sunnah of the noblest of all messengers and prophet [as] is mentioned. your aunt and your friend, inchaAllah, may strong iman enter their hearts. amin. jesus had no power and the proof from his mouth is on the pages of the bible. if you think jesus was powerful, take it up with him and your bible writers. the dispute is between the three of you. and only ignorance will make anyone go against what jesus actually said. how can we know for sure what jesus said when we read the bible? go to the Quran and see what isa bin Maryam [as] said by his Lord.

i dont know a pure muslim who will sing christian hymns. and salah is 5 compulsory ones per day. it is the second essence of islam. i guess if the yorubas don't do 'their salat' as you said, why all those masajid in yorubaland? and they fill it up daily, even in the asalatu i strongly disagree with? no hausa will go to mosque a different day and call himself/herself muslim. all muslims must make at least the 5 daily compulsory prayers. i hope your aunt and your friend and all muslims you know are doing it. if any is not, know that 'o ku die kaa too'.

islam is beyond the national boundary of nigeria. my igbo muslim brothers and sisters are doing just fine. the sisters are covering. the brothers are wearing beard. i know we have plenty muslims in other nigerian tribes, so if i do not mention your tribe, you already know that islam is there.

sharon so that you know; tribe will not make any muslim enter paradise or stand in the way, either.

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@ Pleep don't know where you got that from All Muslims believe in the Prophecy of Jesus and the Quran stated that He is the Messiah son of Mary but unlike Christians Muslims don't believe that He is God's son

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^^ most Muslims " belive in the power of Jesus" they just don't think he is the messiah.

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haha! im a christian nd iv also noticed dis thing about yoruba muslim,u guys r a joke!

dey hardly cover their head

dey like white wedding ,i have a friend who said she wants islamic AND christian wedding lool 4 real?

dey beleive in the power of Jesus-my aunty watches all dese healing programs and says Amen along to the prayers

dey sing christian hymns

DEY DONT DO THEIR SALAT!

no wonder d hausa muslims luk at u guys one kind,i herd dey even go to mosques on different days,but den again hausas r intolent dey beleive anyone who is not hausas like dem is not realli religious

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the problem of muslims in Nigeria is tribalism.muslims in Nigeria are divided along tribal lines and that is very anti-islamic.the islamic brotherhood which islam propagates and which crosses the lines of tribes and ethnicity has not penetrated the hearts of Nigerian muslims.that is very unfortunate.until the muslims unite and feel more attracted to their muslim brothers than to their ethnic brothers,islam will suffer in Nigeria.we may have our differences.but we must never let those differences overcome our sense of islamic brotherhood.by that i mean that a muslim from one tribe should feel closer to the muslim from another tribe than to the christian in his own tribe.if the muslims are not united in that case as islam teaches us to propagate universal brotherhood,then the religion will continue to suffer in Nigeria.its very sad and a situation that can make you cry.at least even if we have our differences,the differences should not be strong enough for us to shun our muslim brothers because of ethnicity while we embrace the non-muslim simply because he is from our tribe or area.that is not islamic at all.i am not saying we should be enemies with the members of other religions,but we should have islamic brotherhood at the back of our minds always.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^it is Allah Who makes muslims.

sometimes the tide of iman decreases. its like being a mumin in the morning. and y night fall not so much.

we pray that we are people who reach jannah without being punished in naar first. amin.

yoruba muslims and muslims all over the world need to step up so that the non muslims around them, regardless of their tribe[s] so that islam can rub off on them.

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@ Sweetnecta I never generalize I don't find Yoruba Muslims less or more devout than other Muslims but I found that despite their efforts to counter the expansion of the church by initiating their "Muslim Sunday Services " they still lacking behind economically and their spiritual leaders are not as active and aggressive as their brothers Pastors and Prophets so I don't think they doing enough Dawah and its shows in their decreasing numbers

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@Araboy; thats not being liberal. thats being ignorant or deviant. and i am a yoruba muslim.

when a person does not follow the test question or understand there is a test in the first place, you will not say he is liberal by going to the wrong test hall or not taking any test, though he/she registered for the course.

mot all yoruba muslims are in that state of liberalism. Islam says 'moderation', not extremism or liberalism.

moderation means observing all that you are to observe; your religious duties keeping in mind of what purpose it is for. at the same time being tolerant of others; the hues and arrays of your differences, not falling for their seductive ways and reminding them without forcing anything on them that Islam is the best and only correct way.

a person who takes life of another [without justice] cant say he is a true muslim, and of course you will call him an extremist to denote that he is a deviant, somewhat from the norm.

a person who allows a complete slaughter of his family [without putting up a struggle] cant be a muslim because he walked away from his own legal battle. you who is not accept him as a 'liberal' regardless of his religion or not. Dukakis lost the presidency to bush senior for forlow of prisoner horton.

there are rules to ever thing, otherwise there will not be any order in it.

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Yoruba people live in the southwest Nigeria and Benin back in the day most were Muslims but the expansion of the evangelization in Yoruba land by some mega church Pastors were at the origin of a lot conversions Plus  the Yoruba Muslim people have failed to face the challenge of the church in Lagos  Oyo   Ogun states

Actually according to a recent Pew poll in the Muslim world Yoruba Muslims and Ugandan Muslims are the most affected by conversions more than any other groups

Most Yoruba Muslims I know are liberal you can meet them at the Mosque on Fridays Ramadan Eid celebrations they can fast during Ramadan and stop drinking alcohol while fasting but don't be surprised if you run into same people drinking their Tequila or beer at the corner bar or partying hard at your favour night club

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why is it alwayz in d north u c muslim slaughterin the people 4m other religion. U can neva c such tin happen in d east or west, am neither xtain or muslim but according 2 my research, an average muslim is a fanatic.

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the poster are trying 2 create tribalism and pro muhammed(s.a.w)said he whoever engage in tribalism is not one of us.

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bkuz yoruba muslims ve not be slaughterin theiq neighbours datz y u said dey are not real muslim? Atleast they ve sense of belonging than d so call alumongiriz. Come down south and c 4 ur self. Oloriburuku. Cawri daggar cum 2.

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^^^ What are we talking about here--this OP?

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@Muhsin :

You claim you are muslims and you are going to heaven, but evil never ceases from your domain.

We cannot even count how many people or precious human souls have been butchered by the muslims in the North.

The Nigerian Terrorist, Mutallab, who tried to bomb the plane heading to America, is the symbolic combination of the two evils that still plagues the African continent – European colonization and Islamic domination. Africa will never become a respectable contributor to global affairs until it rids itself of these two plagues.

Mutallab is a product of the British elite education. These are schools the British set up to brainwash the children of the local elites to eventually govern their nation specifically for western interests. This is the very foundation of poverty, mismanagement, crime, and corruption in Africa, especially Nigeria. He is also a descendant of a Muslim billionaire, who is not only a member of the Islamic oligarchy, but also used the platform to become a banking chairman that stole most of Nigeria’s oil wealth at the expense of the Niger-Delta.

They enjoy using poor Muslims to terrorize non-Muslims within Nigeria in order to maintain power, but now, it seems they will now be utilized to cause terror around the globe to spread Islam. His father only cried out because he was going on a global scale.

If the West is genuinely interested in winning the war on terror, it has to always support non-Muslim African leaders that put the interest of their people ahead of those who will favor the west just to have power, like Nigeria’s YarAdua. When a people love and build their nation, it will be hard for Africans to become terrorist tools for Arab Interest.

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Is that what Allah taught you?

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Are you in your early or late 40s agewise?

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What do u want to know ?

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Did Abu say he was over 40?

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H20- There are conditions for stoning adulterer.

you cannot stone adulterer where there is no sharia law.

You have to report the accused to the sharia court.

You have to present witnesses.

As for hijab there are two conditions,

the following are exempted from wearing hijab

An immature girl.

The opposite intimacy i.e man. Once you are a mature woman it is incumbent to wear hijab

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Doesn't Allah tell you a lotta other things, like stoning people to death. Must you follow those too?

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i just wonder my sister,even some will just tie scarf revealing their neck, earings and necklace as if thats how Allah told us to dress

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^^^^^^^

They are under influence of money

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i disagree Muhsin,most Hausas dnt use their hijab,and even one of Abachas daughters had a white wedding,not even dressed islamic at all,the same with Yaradua's daughter, not wearing full hijab as a bride

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Did i tell u am using lipstick. Anyway thanks for the medical recommendation

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^^

you're quite welcome

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^^ I dont really feel like getting bogged down in  long exaplantions right now, so, you win.

I'll respond later if it's necessary.

Afterall I'm not a Yoruba muslim so wetin actually concern me for this matter.

Its like stepping in one of those Saraki-and-Kwara- arent-Yoruba debates.

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What's not true about that observation? Tell me pls

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the "hence" is a qualifier

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Hi, Nez! You still there? Wonder. . .what has been blocking you these days. . . Hope nothing bad.

Regarding your chart: how accurate is it? What measures did you use in your findings?

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Superiority chart of muslims in Nigeria in decreasing order:

                                                      / Fulani muslims    \

                                                    /  Hausa muslims        \

                                                  /  Other Northern muslims\

                                                /Yoruba muslims                    \

                                              /Ibo muslims                               \

                                           / Other southern muslims                 \

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