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If you are, how do you know you are a Christian? Is it possible that true believing Christians might not make it into heaven? Checkout what Jesus is supposed to have said:

[Matthew 7:21 (New King James Version)]

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

If this is true, then it is possible that many people who think themselves Christians are simply wasting their time, for they might be turned back at the pearly gates by the master they so sought and praised in their lives. What a way to waste ones life.

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What happen to Huxley? Now he has been found to be lying, he has abandoned this thread. Such is the dishonesty of this fellow!

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which is why i wonder why you whine and throw tantrums when christians ignore your threads. We all know you could care less.

Even brothers are sometimes split on our opinion . . . what the bible has to say is final. Anyone can "suggest" anything, i just showed you flat out what the bible says. End of story.

Perhaps you shld reserve these questions for those accusatory christians . . . they havent been reading their bible properly.

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your question makes absolutely no sense . . . the bible is the final authority on salvation, what "other christians" say is meaningless if it stands contrary to the word. I just showed you the bible's position.

It seems you're just scrambling to hold unto a biased opinion.

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Strictly speaking, I don't realy care which of these ("once saved, always saved" or " once saved NOT necessarily always saved" ) is true. This is the nonsense that the Christian believe is, so it is their duty to working it out. I am just curious as to two things, really:

1) Why it is that the Christian community is split into two separate camps over this matter, suggesting that the bible supports both positions.

2) Why it is that when people de-convert from Christianity, the Christian accuse them of never having been true Christians, as though true Christians are incapable of backsliding.

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If it is possible for Christians to backslide, why then do Christians always say that anyone who has left Christianity and backslid was NEVER truly and Christian in the first place?

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Your question is absurd because i didnt post MY view . . . i simply posted what the bible had to say on the issue.

Regarding 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The problem is many of you are either dishonest or completely inept at cerebral thinking. First ask yourself . . . SEVEN (7) times brother John uses the word "THEY" . . . who were the "THEY" brother John was talking about here? Well simple . . . read from verse 18

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Note that brother John delineates two types of "antichrists" here . . . the FIRST ONE is refered to in the singular as THAT ANTICHRIST . . . we know who that is. then he goes ahead to talk about MANY ANTICHRISTS (in the plural) . . . and it is this "many antichrists" that he is talking about when he continously uses "they" in verse 19.

Who is an antichrist? Brother John solves the riddle in verse 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

In essence, there are many who are in churches today who claim to be christians but inwardly are not genuinely saved. Rejecting salvation is the same as DENYING the cross which automatically qualifies you as part of the "many antichrists" of verse 18.

Remember the parable of the wheat and the tares . . . they BOTH grew TOGETHER until the harvest . . .

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Does the bible promote "once saved, forever saved"? No it doesnt and if Huxley had been honest he would have done some searching on his own and found it wasnt true . . .

1. Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

- In essence, it is PERFECTLY POSSIBLE for a christian to backslide and miss heaven.

- It is possible to backslide but there is the chance to be renewed in genuine repentance.

2. The example of Balaam . . .

2 Peter 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb Bottom speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

- Verses 20-21 describe men who were once spirit-filled born again christians but who (like Balaam - once a mighty prophet of God but backslid in pursuit of monetary reward) got themselves entangled again with the world. Verse 20 describes their LATTER END . . . it certainly wasnt heaven!

I dont care how many articles they copy and paste to validate their biased positions, what the bible has to say on this issue is enough for me. There are several other examples in the bible of people who backslid and we know their end.

Brief examples - Saul, Judas, Alexander, Hymenaeus . . .

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It is important for you to understand that everyone has a life to live that doesnt revolve around responding to your every un-cerebral verbal ejaculations. I've been in an important meeting for the last hr . . . that was way more important than disproving your lies here.

I asked you to go back and read the article you first posted . . . doesnt seem you did that at all.

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How then do you square that with the stuff I posted, particularly 1 John 2: 19? You have failed to address the stuff I posted from the website, which I might add are not my views but the views of other Christians who read the bible like you do. The question is - whose interpretation is right and how do we know who is right - you or the website redactors?

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Did you read my posts above? This is one of them:

Here is another question/response from the same website:

Question: "Is there such a thing as an ex-Christian?"

Answer: This is a question for which there is definitely a clear and explicit biblical answer. First John 2:19 declares, “They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.” This Scripture makes it abundantly clear—there is no such thing as an ex-Christian. If a person is truly a Christian, he/she will never depart from the faith “…for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us…” If a person who claimed to be a Christian denies the faith, he/she was not truly a Christian. “They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us…their going showed that none of them belonged to us.” No, there is truly no such thing as an ex-Christian.

It is important to distinguish between a true Christian and an “in name only” Christian. A true Christian is a person who has fully trusted in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. A true Christian is a person who understands what the Bible says about sin, sin’s penalty, who Jesus is, what Jesus did for us, and how that provides for the forgiveness of sin. A true Christian is a person who has received Jesus Christ as personal Savior, has been made a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17), and is progressively being transformed into the image of Christ. A true Christian is a person who is kept a Christian by the power of the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:13, 30; 2 Corinthians 1:22). This true Christian can never become an ex-Christian. No one who has truly and fully trusted in Christ as Savior could ever deny Him. No one who truly comprehends the evil of sin, the terror of sin’s consequences, the love of Christ, and the grace and mercy of God, could ever turn back from the Christian faith.

There are many in this world who claim to be Christians, but are not. Being a Christian does not mean being an American or having white skin. Being a Christian does not mean recognizing that Jesus was a great teacher or even seeking to follow His teachings. Being a Christian means being a representative of Christ and a follower / servant of Christ. There are people who have had some connection to a “Christian” church and then later renounced that connection. There are people who have “tasted” and “sampled” Jesus Christ, without ever actually receiving Him as Savior. However, there is no such thing as true ex-Christian. A true Christian will never, and could never, renounce the faith. Any person who claimed to be a Christian, but later rejects the Christian faith, was never truly a Christian.

Now speak!

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where did u get the assertion of "once saved always saved" from?

u are simply trying to confine xtianity to the convenient box of atheistic scrutiny. ur postulations cannot survive a rigorous intellectual debate.

i asked u: when u leave a university or get expelled, do u get a degree?

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OK. Maybe it is/was not a lie, but a poor understanding of your bible. In which case (in the event that you poorly understood you bible), I withdraw my charge if lying and apologise.

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Hey,

What happen to Neotic and Davidylan? Now they have been found to be lying, they have abandoned this thread. Such is the dishonesty of these Christians!

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Here is another question/response from the same website:

Question: "Is there such a thing as an ex-Christian?"

Answer: This is a question for which there is definitely a clear and explicit biblical answer. First John 2:19 declares, “They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.” This Scripture makes it abundantly clear—there is no such thing as an ex-Christian. If a person is truly a Christian, he/she will never depart from the faith “…for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us…” If a person who claimed to be a Christian denies the faith, he/she was not truly a Christian. “They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us…their going showed that none of them belonged to us.” No, there is truly no such thing as an ex-Christian.

It is important to distinguish between a true Christian and an “in name only” Christian. A true Christian is a person who has fully trusted in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. A true Christian is a person who understands what the Bible says about sin, sin’s penalty, who Jesus is, what Jesus did for us, and how that provides for the forgiveness of sin. A true Christian is a person who has received Jesus Christ as personal Savior, has been made a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17), and is progressively being transformed into the image of Christ. A true Christian is a person who is kept a Christian by the power of the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:13, 30; 2 Corinthians 1:22). This true Christian can never become an ex-Christian. No one who has truly and fully trusted in Christ as Savior could ever deny Him. No one who truly comprehends the evil of sin, the terror of sin’s consequences, the love of Christ, and the grace and mercy of God, could ever turn back from the Christian faith.

There are many in this world who claim to be Christians, but are not. Being a Christian does not mean being an American or having white skin. Being a Christian does not mean recognizing that Jesus was a great teacher or even seeking to follow His teachings. Being a Christian means being a representative of Christ and a follower / servant of Christ. There are people who have had some connection to a “Christian” church and then later renounced that connection. There are people who have “tasted” and “sampled” Jesus Christ, without ever actually receiving Him as Savior. However, there is no such thing as true ex-Christian. A true Christian will never, and could never, renounce the faith. Any person who claimed to be a Christian, but later rejects the Christian faith, was never truly a Christian.

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The article basically promotes the "once saved, always saved" idea. If you dispute that, show me where the article most an alternative or opposite view.

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Read the entire article again (take off your biased glasses first) . . . then come back to answer your own question. You dont seem to have understood what they were saying, basically you just posted anything you thought would validate your preconcieved idea.

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This admission is very strange indeed insofar as many Christian promote the idea that "once saved, always saved".  Your analogy suggests that this is  not the case, insofar as you could be expelled out of the university course, thus losing you degree.  Just as you might miss heaven at some point in the future, having once been earmarked for it.

Why do Christian then say that people who deconvert or backslide from Christianity were never truly Christians, if it is possible for you to be expel from the ultimate degree having once been chosen for it?

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Its as good as enrolling for a course in the university, if u leave before the course ends or the university expels you, do u get a degree?

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So you tell me - Are you a Christian and are you going to be saved?

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for the first time u are right. any problem with this reality?

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