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Are You A Christian If You Don't Believe Every Bible Story?

If you don't believe the earth was created in seven days;

If you don't believe Jesus literally rose from the dead;

If you don't genuinely believe that an omniscient God implanted

a divine foetus in the womb of a virgin human woman, are you really a Christian?

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@manmustwac

Maybe both. Some have dreams others run into "people".

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Why dont you just ask GOD?

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@olabowale,

To be sure, Christians do not "disregard" the Old Testament - it is as vital to the Christian faith as is the New Testament.

The only problem that has been feeding your misconception is that you have not taken the time at all to carefully read through and seek to understand the value of the OT to the Christian faith. The OT has several values for everyone - such as the understanding the Bible gives us about the Creation, the Fall, the redemptive history of the nations, as well as the various exhortations as to the meaning of life.

On the other hand, when you enter upon the covenants addressed specifically to a specific people, you find that it would constantly present a problem for you to mistake those people every single time for "Christians".

For example, addressing the nation of Israel, Moses specifically said this:

Deuteronomy 5:2

The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers,

but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

Now, Moses was not addressing Christians - rather, he was addressing the Jews specifically!

In the same way, he was not addressing the Arabs, nor the Egyptians, nor even the generations before the emergence of the Jewish Nation/people. If you keep these issues in clear perspective, you will not be so passionate about your misgivings.

Indeed, several things that Moses declared are indeed timeless and apply to every single person of whatever clime, religion and creed. The Decalogue (10 Commandments), for instance, are valuable to all people - especially when we seek to understand their spiritual significance. Do Christians adhere to the Decalogue then? More than that, the blessing of what the decalogue point to have been etched deep into our hearts by God's new covenant graces.

These grace new covenant graces were not as a result of any OT verse being "abrogated" (which some Muslims define as to "forget" or "substitute" verses here and there). Quite to the contrary, they have already been PROPHESIED as what people of all generations should look out for! An example is found in the prophecy given by Ezekiel:

Ezekiel 36:26 & 27

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you:

and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give

you an heart of flesh. || And I will put my spirit within you, and cause

you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do

them.

Was this a new thing to replace any so-called "abrogated" verses? Not at all - because way back before Ezekiel gave that prophecy, even Moses had declared these wonderful promises about God's blessing about a new heart and also about giving His Spirit to those who would believe in His grace:

Deuteronomy 30:6

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart

of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and

with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Numbers 11:29

And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all

the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his

spirit upon them!

In all these things, the OT scriptures are valuable to Christians - we know then about the true promises of God:

~ to give us new hearts to truly love and understand Him

~ to truly know and believe in His promises

~ to have faith in His wonderful promises of the Holy Spirit

~ as well as to expose false prophets who come to DENY these revelations!

This is why again and again, our simple question to Muslims is this:

WHY would Muhammad deny any revelation given to the Old Testatment prophets?!?

For any so-called prophet to rise up and deny these wonderful promises as well as fabricate tales to distort the true redemptive history of God's covenant people simply qualifies that person as a "FALSE PROPHET". We would never have known this without the Old Testament.

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So how do the Christians explain their partial disregard for the Old testament part of 'the Bible,' the source of guidance? HOw do you explain the incongruencies, between the Old Testament and the New Testament? When you have this disagreement, which one do you choose and why? What you reject why leave it in? Is what you reject abrogated by what you accepted? Then tell me and the Muslims what part of the 'Good News,' the New Testament, do you reject say, for instance, Mark 12 verse 29, which actually agrees with OLd Testament's Deut. 6 verse 4 that God is Lord and its One? That God the Lord is not three, a trinity etc. How do you then inject Jesus to be what Jesus said with his own mouth that he was not? Tell me, because i am thirsty to know.

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You must believe the Bible if you claim to be a christain, cos thats the only guide we have to face the future as a believer

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Well many other Christian groups or other Christians are always trying to tell other Christian groups or individuals what is a true Christian, I don't think there is one.

Even:

If you don't believe the earth was created in seven days;

If you don't believe Jesus literally rose from the dead;

If you don't genuinely believe that an omniscient God implanteda divine foetus in the womb of a virgin human woman,

you can still be a Christian or call yourself one w/e works.

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Man wrote the bible yes but God gave inspiration and thw words to man for wat 2 write. So evrthing the bible says iz TRUE. you should belive it all not just wat iz cinvient 4 u cuz that iz called being a hyprocrite which most christains r. so pray 2 God to give u understanding.

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you guys are great! the Bible is meant for Truth seekers, not fault seekers and excuse lovers

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Gods Girl u have jst spoken my mind.

"Seek ye first the kingdom of God, "

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The Bible and everything in it is true from cover to cover.

Consider this nairaland people, WHY IS IT CALLED "THE WORD OF LIFE"?

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"The Bible was inspired by the Spirit of God. Contradictions in the Bible are assumptions of those that have little or no knowledge of it".

Believing the Bible stories by Faith makes you a BELIEVER. And knowing the story inside the stories or the mystry in the stories makes you a CHRISTAIN.

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how i wished dem go listen

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@Aproko,

Lol, dearie-dear. . we don't do what suits our moods when it comes to applying the Bible to our daily lives. We seek to understand it for a proper response in the transactions of our daily living.

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but sweetheart, when someone hits you and you hit back, your excuse is provocation right? lol, am sure at that point, turning the other thing may ot even be in your minds radar.

truth is, living our lives as Christ taught us is indeed a struggle, even the most noble struggle with their imperfections you must agree. so when one takes the eye of an assailant instead of turning the other cheek, i think we should show sympathy for that person cos we do not know his daily struggles.

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uhm see talk, so who is olodumare in Yoruba terms? an idol? hear less item? well may God almighty pardon "too wise" people like you when the time comes, u go know who bi who, maybe by then, it would be toooo late for you, make sure you keep your first finger so that you can put that into your mouth as a regret sign!.

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oh i see do you mean Olodumare? if you meant Olodumare the Bible is not his words

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the words of the god that created you

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the whole bible is true! chikena!

It depends on what and how you read it. Do you read it as a history book? or as a literature book? or do you read it as THE WORD OF GOD?

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i still believe every chapter and verses of the bible i read and understood, the one i have not understood yet is still under prayers l.e hoping and praying that God will help by giving me the spirit of understanding

i believe in the shield called the bible.

most of the things happening now on earth was once written in the bible that they are going to happen, that alone should be able to convince people a lit bit, i mean doubters of the bible

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@ author,

what do you believe?

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you see how english want to put me in wahala; lets rephrase

am i no longer my father's son IF i do not like him?

to be honest, i think it is a BAD analogy but the first one that came to mind. i will try and rephrase this but still tryin to get the message across.

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It all depends on HOW you understand the Fatherhood of God. I haven't heard this argument raised as to someone being a child of the Father because they do not like Him!

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i actually agree to SOME degree with this i think.

well, let me say it like this; am i not my father's child because i do not LIKE him?!?!?

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But what does believing in those things entiail? also, does that mean that the vast majority of Christians are not Christians - even though they've done the whole Jesus and repentant sinner thing - simply because they don't interprete Old Testament myths literally?

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Dont call yourself a christian if you dont believe in those things because it is as good as not believing any story in the bible. it's either you believe it all or you dont believe any part of it. No sitting on the fence mate!

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Certainly not Kent Hovind and certainly not the person that can't even be consistent in their approach to the interpretation of the Bible and can't be honest about it.

You should look into geology and the other fields. In fact, a global flood was falsified over a century ago by geologists that included Christians.

Their love is bound to end the way Romeo and Juliet's did. Alsa, it began to unravel when, like the Ancient Mariner, he shot and killed the albatross of their love: her career.

I guess Romeo and Juliet and the Ancient Mariner are all real too.

LoL, no doubt. I bet it's those pesky Evolution Mafia or the E.A.C. Who can doubt that those bastards planted ERVs in humans and apes just to make it look like evolution happened? To make matters worse, they also planted fossils like dinosaur bones, etc just to deconvert we the faithful. The cheek of it! As a final coup de grace, they made sure that we'd all suddenly believe that various branches of cosmology and theoretical physics (with their fancy telescopes, quantum physics and stellar calculations), geology (with their different forms of radiometric dating, varves, etc), biology and history, would all show that the Universe and the Earth are billions of years old and contradict literalism.

No, we expect to see massive erosions, fossilisations, oil, etc without a [b]GLOBAL[/B] flood. What would we expect to see if there was a global flood? I suspect we'd expect to see uniform forms of erosion around the world, no uniform geologic column anywhere in the world, organisms that shouldn't be in the same time/layer fossilised together all over the world, no intact and long lastiing varves and, finally, the waters that flooded the entire Earth.

By the way, are you implying that the vast majority of scientists are not honest because they don't agree with what is clearly a flawed reading of the Bible?

So, what you're essentially saying is that God magicked in the water to flood the Earth, put civillisations like the Egyptians and the Chinese into a bubble, and then after the flood was careful to remove the evidence that a flood occured? Interesting. And no, one doesn't have to accept evolution to reject lunacy.

Good to know.

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my main issue was who will one beleive?

i've witnessed first-hand the propaganda in evolutionary biology, and i'm very sure the same people behind that can mastermind a counter theory in geology and other fields.

the question is 'if there was a flood, what will the evidence be?' massive erosions, fossilizations, oil etc. and those can be observed. so the evidence is not inconsistent with the flood.

i'm sure if we had honest scientists that were not influenced by other things, that would be the common knowledge.

As for your initial question

I believe the bible, even with the amount of attack that have been tried to use to discredit it, it still has the power to save and does. cheers.

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I guess you're not as literal a reader as you suggested. However, a literal reading of those texts have been good enough for the geocentrists. Read literally, it becomes clear that in those two verses, the Sun did startling things that suggested a geocentric solar system. In the first, we are told that the "Sun stood still". Not the Sun looked like it was standing still , not from your perspective that's not happening and the Earth is rotating around the Sun. It was, "the Sun stood still". In the second, the Sun moves backwards. I'm sure that's self explanatory. Only a non-literal reading of those verses could satisfy the idea of an Earth that revolves around the Sun.

A circle is flat and the verse says it took him up to a "high mountain", not the spiritual realm.

In your own time.

You're a biologist that uses Kent Hovind?! Maybe these are the last days. If it's Hovind's theory on the wter canopy etc you want me to look up, I'll have you know beforehand that he was wrong (even others that illogically hold to a worldwide flood because of their interpretation will tell you that). If it isn't then tell me what you want me to look up. In all honesty, though, that anyone is still taken in by Kent is testament to the staying power of bad information and blind ignorance (I have to say the weird illogic is all starting to make sense now).

Evidence or the suggestions of one.

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circle of the earth - earth is not flat. He took him in the spirit realm, there is no distance in the spirit realm.

explained in the bible. go to, www.drdino.com

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Potaeto; Potahto. In my opinion, the Eden narrative wasn't mean't to be read literally and the snake wasn't a literal talking snake.

Not unless you go a for a literal reading. Remember Joshua and the Sun standing still and Hezekiah and the Sun going back.

In Psalm 104: 5

Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

1st Chronicles 16:30

Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

Isaiah 40:22

the circle of the earth; and the Devil showing Jesus all the kingdoms of the world from a high mountain.

You're kidding right?

Apart from where the water to cover the entire Earth could have come from and receded to, what is a kind?

To the contrary of what? That the Eden account and several other aspects of the Bible should not be read literally? Or that if read literally many of the narratives are highly improbable?

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@my good friend KAG,

the universe and the earth are CANNOT be billions of years old, a worldwide flood could have occured and a wooden boat could have held all the various kinds of land animals (note, not species - that is mixing error with truth).

I believe in a literal reading of biblical HISTORY.

Bring your evidence to the contrary so we can trash them. Cheers.

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oh did the word hit at you? uhm, well if you like say anything, why not go join the muslims? sincde theirs is the right and complete one from God, you have the right to do that now, since you have been reading the bible, did you get to the stage where the bible said woe unto you that read, yet disbelieve? go and read again, maybe you were reading the bible as a novel and was only interested in the path you would use to back what ever palns you have in your head. UK people don corrupt you finish , after all they don chase all the churches under ground and gthe ones they have are mostly occupied by 90 years old people, maybe 10 in a 600 capacity seater church. God helps us all

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you were brought up with that same bible now you think you are too wise to adhere to it, well you are accountable to who ever you think you fate is based on, the muslims use the quaran and i have never heard them say its not all they believe, so if the christains are now saying this, what do you want the non christains should say about christainity?

think before you say things, its just that God has changed his action ways from the olden days where he would have sent down fire to consume blasphemers like most people here

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dont not follow the crowd, believe in God not in what people say or tell you, HELL IS REAL HEAVEN IS REAL, these are the main thing, prepare your way, you might never tell

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It's not just me. Scholars who have devoted their lives to the study of theology have come to the same conclusions; sholars who have devoted their lives to the study of the Bible have made assertions that are similar to mine; scholars who have studied the Old Testament/Tanakh extensively have said it as well.

I think you're confusing allegory with untruth. Think of it like this, allegories are similar to the parables that were told by Jesus. It would be highly unusual and you probably be missiing the point if decided to read those parables as literal occurences; the same with allegories.

While I don't believe the Bible is i#divinely inspired, I can appreciate the fact that the language used in some narratives show that the authors weren't writing for a literal interpretation and were most likely following the tradition of their times. In any case, feel free to claim all the stories are literal and we as humans can't really be sure about the truth of our world; I, on the otherhand, will stick with what the evidence has shown: that snakes don't talk, that our solar system isn't geocentric, the Earth isn't stationary and flat, the Universe and the Earth are billions of years old, a worldwide flood couldn't have occured, a wooden boat couldn't have held all the various species, etc.

Which is why many Christians have had to revise their views.

Not if it is observable and repeatably tested truth.

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@ KAG

You are judging based on the assumption that you are in a position to critically analyse the literary styles and thought patterns of writers who wrote thousands of years before your knowledge base was crystallised. just because stuff was written in poetic literary style doesnt make it untrue. just because some story doesnt comform to reality as you know it (remembering off course that your knowledge is limited - God is not) doesnt make it untrue.

If the writers of the bible interwovenly placed truth and untruth in it and then passed it off as divine, then they are not to be trusted. there is no point believeing any story in the bible at all.

If the writers of the bible actually make a claim that the entire book is divinely inspired, its either they are telling the truth or they are lying. If they are telling the truth, it means all the stories are true. there is no middle ground.

Truth is not subjective. Your idea of truth is dependent on what you want to believe. what you assume is believable. Note that truth remains truth wether you believe it or not.

the bottom line is that all of this is a matter of faith.

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the bible is there for everyone, it depends on how you take it to be, you can either believe it and not believe it, that's all, the bible is mystical and you can't understand the complexity of the bible even then pastors do confess that the mysteries of the bible is too wide and far too much for you to understand. so you shouldn't take it mean it is not what you can't believe.

In the little you have read and believed, have you really do those things they are teaching you? are you a master in them yet? God is too large, mighty to understand in just the bible, there are things in the bible you don't need to understand because you are not meant to understand it and the ones you do understand are the ones God wants you to know period

we humans believe we are too wise and we all forget to all the wisdom of this world is just foolish in the eyes of God

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Several times, like in the Genesis narrative of the creation and the Adam and Eve story, the language and devices used: poetic language laced with numerous symbolisms, archetypes, and imagery, can give one an inkling. Another way - one fraught with problems though - is to see if the picture it paints contradicts the reality of the Universe and Earth. That method is usually applied to stories that are deemed irrelevant to salvation.

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So you belive some stories in the bible and you dont believe some. Question is how do you know which one to believe and which one not to? On what basis do you believe and/or disbelieve? your intuition?

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good for you! its good to have an opinion

do you believe in ANY of the "stories" in the bible?

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I don't believe the creation story and feeding of a thousand. HANG ME!

*I think they are just metaphors*

And I'm a pretty decent Catholic

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reading the bible everyday does not make you a Christian, it also burst down to why you are reading the bible, every time i set to read the bible, i am always amused, getting to discover new things that make me fear God and the existence of man the more, thats just it, it depends on why you are reading the bible and what you want to achieve from the reading, the major thing is that, do you really believe in Jesus Christ and God? salvation is the number one thing you need in your life ok?

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how does the more u read it the less u believe it makes perfect sense everything in the bible fits hand in hand old testament new testament

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I used to be a strong Christian untill I read the Bible,seriously.I did CRK in my JAMB exams and had to study the Bible extensively and the more I read,the less sense it made.

I wonder how people who regularly read the BIBLE still have strong faith.I am still a Christian but a rather sceptical one.

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