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Are Your Feeling Hurt When Your Beliefs And Religion Are Criticised?

If so, it is worth remembering that you are NOT your beliefs. Learn to separate yourself from your beliefs and then look at your beliefs objectively as you look at the beliefs of other religions. Then watch this video for some more help.

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Why would anyone be concerned what others think of them? Go put on your social mask and live up to the expectations and prejudgments of others. This world is crazy sometimes.

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What more do we need to add? your holy book speaks for itself hence the need for such violence to cram it down people's throat.

Your false prophet was a very bad copy artist, if Mohammed should attempt what he did then in this day and age he would be sued for infringing on copyright and then producing a sub-standard work.

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Manmustwac,please what flaws have they identified and you could do the needful by directing to where they both displayed 'intelligence'. Thanks

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Huxley, you have been corrupted by association. I cant believe this topic came from you buddy!

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I can see that you that you throw lies around any time you feel it will serve you and keep you in your bubble of delusion. . . does the bible not tell you that perfection can be achieved? did jesus not tell his followers to be perfect?

When will thou stop telling lies for jesus?

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It seems to me you have no will to learn at all. Well if belief in the biblical god makes you a happy person by all means carry on with it. It's unnecessary to justify your faith to anyone as you are clearly unable to carry on a coherent and civil discussion. Cheers

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@ duduspace they most always give excuses no matter how nonsensical they are. . . take for instance the non sense and meaningless mostly unprovoked killings of people that was carried out by yahweh and his foot soldiers in the old testament or some of the ridiuclous laws like slavery or stoning to death disobedient children or cutting of the hands of women that go to rescue their husbands from his assailants. . .when christians are cornered and can not rationalize or provide meaningful answers to all the nonsense and stupidity they start saying ridiculous things like Allah did the same in the koran too. . .or that god can not be understood, u need his holy spirit in other to understand all those things. . .or that the ways of god is different from that of men. . .what holy spirit does a person need to not know that it is wrong to advocate slavery or that it is completely silly and irrational to stone to death disobedient kids or kill 42 children because they played with a prophet?. . . .then again they will say that jesus came and changed all those laws but the same bible says that god is not a man that he should change his mind. . . or that god is the same yesterday, today and forever. . .he never changes. . . the whole web of lies and delusion is ridiculous. . . . .

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Noetic sure can babble rubbish, even a nursery school pupil can do better than this. A question please, does this guy have any tertiary education at all? I am quite disappointed at the last post, damn waste of space making no sense whatsoever. I'll list just a few howlers from this guy.

How can an educated person say this?

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Solomon was the wisest man in his time, and he was giving his opinion on the constant changes that define life. His statement aint a biblical fact about the earth's movement. I believe u can do better.

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If Solomon's statement isn't biblical fact, I wonder what is, perhaps Noetic's statements?

Another statement I can't even begin to fathom is

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God has never been used to fill the gap for the things we dont know.

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made in repsonse to this statement

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events in the observable world can generally be accounted for without introducing a god as an explanation. as i pointed out in my previous post thunderstorms, earthquakes,  lighting, plagues, eclipses, the variety of natural species, and even the origins of life itself all have detailed natural explanations(some of which i don't really agree with), notwithstanding the fact that they were once thought to be the immediate work of god

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Word of advise noetic, if you have nothing to say please keep quiet. People might start wondering if you're educated at all. On second thoughts, what is your discipline? I'm just a bit curious.

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@ mazaje

u said this:

what is the truth? what are basic truths? what are the truths of nature?

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what are the convictions of naturalism, even if none of them are sacred?

do u know the meaning of a "belief"?

All that u learn or are learning evolves around the notion that a GOD DOES NOT EXIST, so what are u talking about?

isnt that as biased as the "christianity" u antagonise?

there is nothing wrong with that saying. It only sounds silly when said against biblical truths u have no alternative for.

is that ur angst against the bible?

what u posted was next to nonsense.

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very well said. . . .the bible on more than one place clearly says that the sun revolves round the earth or moves from place to place. . .notice the evolution in the christian belief. . . . god always seems to grow or evolves with humanity, when people grow and become wiser the bible god does the same too. . . . it first started with heaven as a solid and physical place above the sky. . . according to the tower of babel people wanted to build a tower high up to the heavens, god was afraid that people will be able to see him and do everything that they wanted so he confused their means of communication. . .when ever the windows of heavens opens up rain begins to fall. . . jacob experienced a vision of a ladder or staircase reaching into heaven with angels going up and down it. . . . . the ancient jews clearly thought that the earth was a 3 dimensional plane. . .the flat earth as a solid body, the heavens as a solid body where yahweh and his angels resides, and below the earth(shoel or hell). . .with the advent of science, the heaven that was thought of and written about as a solid place where yahweh and his angels reside suddenly became an invisible place. . . .the god that once lived with people and showed himself to them face to face as a man will communicate with his fellow man or the god that used to address the entire people of israel in a public speech as recorded in the book of judges or joshua in the bible suddenly became an invisible god who only interacts with people on a personal basis through the holy spirit that can not even send a single coherent massage to those he interacts with but keeps sending very different massages to different people all the time. . .hell or shoel that was thought to be under the ground suddenly became an invisible place as people became more aware. . .the whole web of lies and delusion is just sickening. . . .

we are in the age of reason, the guy on the you tube video says it best. . . fear is the only reason people hold unto these ridiculous beliefs. . . . .

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@mazaje

3 gbosas for you, I like the cruise missiles yu are launching at this guy while he is still shooting arrows that the hebrews shot a long time ago (while waiting for his god to rain down fire and brimstone on you). I hope the guy realises the deficiencies in his argument before he becomes a total hypocrite like our resident "Artful Liar".

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Some people have to beleive because they just cannot bear to have a void in their understanding of how everything ties together and that is understandable. What I can't stomach is the hypocrisy that accompanies such a mindset in some people. There is a very big difference between believing because you don't have all the answers and perpetuating lies in the name of belief.

I know very intelligent and knowledgeable people who have belief but they accept the obvious inconsistencies in the "God concept" and are just afraid of what the world would become if people don't beleive in God anymore, to them it is more like opting for the best of 2 evils. Folks like Davidylan and Noetic are a whole different breed entirely, I find it hard to even refer to them as christians atimes cos they descend to despicable depths atimes to dodge the obvious inconsistencies in their god concept I do wonder if they are actually defending god or their own bloated egos.

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I don't get this comment at all. First why must our belief require "sacred" convictions? The fact that you may feel the need to have sacred convictions does not mean your beliefs are correct. Naturalism is based more on observation of what we as human beings observe. Consequently naturalism does not at any time claim to have an all encompassing "truth" about everything. It gives space for learning and adaptation of theories and postulations as time goes on. What is wrong with saying today "I don't have an answer for this or I don't know how this came about". Why should it be necessary to come up with stories the explain everything like the bible seems to do. This is even sadder when over time some biblical "facts" have been proven to be wrong. If you accept scientific facts like the earth going round the sun - which is not as the bible has it - then can't you accept the bible may be flawed? A belief system with the capability to accept new knowledge and grow is not pointless, on the other hand one that refuses to change and holds on dogmatically to ancient beliefs is one that is terribly flawed.

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Go to the utube page proper to watch the video clip.At the top righthand side of the page there is the subscribe button.Click it and you are subscribed.But log in before you do it.

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The guy who made the video used to be called,"John L Armstrong(which is his real name,by the way).He makes great and informative anti-religion videos debunking belief systems.

I am subscribed to his channel.

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This is an interesting debate i must say, you guys should try and have a civil debate without name calling please.

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This is not surprising considering that u have NEVER formed or defended any of ur googled or copied opinions, no matter how annoying or silly they sound.

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@ mazaje.

lots of the same old stuffs.

will reply in detail in due course. . . . . .busy at the moment.

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I like this. One of the false assertions is that God created man in his own likeness and image, that can not be true because man is not all knowing, all merciful, all powerful and Omni whatever? Those are the characteristics of God and man who is said to have been created in the image and likeness of such a being posseses non of his characteristics, that in it self is not possible.

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Stop asking questions like this, do you think only in binary?

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what is the concept of naturalism? I believe it is intellectually lazy, totally incoherent and inarticulate to hide under the scope of naturalism.

believing that there is no explicit explanation to the "events" of life and that natural processes are the basis of all that there is, is in my a latter day postulation of illiteracy and ignorance.

this is ignorance beyond the scope and borders of objective reasoning. naturalism equate "criticism without convictions" "passing judgement without character".

Whats the basis of naturalism, when it in itself holds no sacred convictions? whats the basis, when it runs contrary to all objective analysis, understanding and investigation? whats the basis when it cannot be substantiated to mean and/or illustrate a particular concept? when it cannot be substantially defined as a concept on its own, but it depends on disproving others?

what is that concept of naturalism that distinguishes it from Christianity, other than "disbelief", lack of convictions and running foul of known statues?

ur concept explains my definition that atheism "as an irrational state of mind". unguided, unstated and "convictionless" beliefs amount to irrationalism.

If it helps, I am least interested in what u are or were, I am simply interested in the RATIONALITY of ur beliefs.

u are the first atheist to agree to that. huxley and his youtube mentors disagree with this ontology.

If u agree with toneyb's ontological definition of GOD, how then can u disbelief the existence of GOD? dont u consider this a contradiction? or should i say irrational?

This is intended to illustrate the rationality of ur belief(s). and also to put those beliefs under the microscope of logic and objectivity, which u readily proclaim.

do u believe in the existence of "feli-ban-gbaski"? yes or no

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how do you know that i have no alternative? naturalism is my alternative. . . .

here is my own belief. . .i deny existence of all gods, that of the muslims, the hindus, the ancient egyptians, ancient greeks, chinese, south americans and the god of the old and new testaments. all of these are fictional constructs invented by very clever humans for purposes, a variety of diferent purposes, ranging from psychological comfort, emotional comfort, dominance and entertainment. i believe in naturalism. . .

atheist know your beliefs too, i was once a christian like you so i know and understand very well everything that christianity is all about. . . .so i can also question ridicule or antagonize it. . .

toneyb has given you the basic ontology of the christian god. . i agree with it and that shows that i know what his supposed ontology is even though some christians can not even agree to the basic ontology of the christain god. . . the catholic ontology of the christains god is quite different from that of the protestant christian, the white garment wearing christain may have a very different ontology of the bible god compared to say a conservative american evangelist christian or a prosperity nigerian christain pastor. . . the bible god's ontology varies from church to church and from denomination to denomination. . .no two diffeent sect of christianity agree on his ontology. . .but the one provided by toneyb is the basic one i agree(i presume you also agree with it) with even though there are christian that might not agree with it. . . .

this is irrelevant. . . red herring i must say. . . .

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do u know the meaning of an "apologetic"? if u do, compare it to the context of my post in the link u pasted.

ur statement that u corrected my misuse of words is "falsehood", intended to make u feel like u are winning an argument. My usual tactic is to ignore u.

that's my problem with u. why should u disapprove something when u have no alternative.

I am ready to debate ur reservations about the christian ontology of God, but start by stating ur own beliefs.

I feel free to attack the muslim beliefs I disagree with, in the full knowledge that they know my beliefs and can question or antagonise it.

How can u attack an ontology, when u cant define one? how can u debate who GOD is(existence/non-existence), when u dont know Him?

do u believe in the existence of "feli-ban-gbaski"? YES or NO

If yes, what is his/its ontology? what is "feli-ban-gbasky"?

if no, dont u consider it unintelligent and presumably irrational to discuss "feli-ban-gbansky" when u dont know who/what he/it is?

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This is a fallacy and I will prove it,

I might not know what 567495576365675565757 multiplied by 66757464749696767679 is but I know it is not 3 and can disprove it if someone says it is 3 (working in base 10 that is).

I might not know or prove where you are, but I can disprove someone who claims that you are in my house.

should I go on?

A simple but apt demonstration of the flaw in your thinking or what do you think?

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what are the falsehoods? care to show me? go through this thread: http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-260977.32.html , read your reply #44 you will see it for yourself. . .

so how had the bible god's ontology proved that his existince is real? has the biblegod ever appeared to you and told you what his ontology is in person? is it not your parents, preachers and the writers of the bible with their unverifiable claims that have told you that? i can go ahead and clearly disprove all the so called ontology. . . .

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that I refuse to respond to ur misnomers has nothing to with the quality or lack of it, of the rubbish u keep saying. u have the habbit of successfully digressing points, that after replying u, i sometimes begin to wonder how we ever got this stage?

where did u ever have me misuse any word or terminology?. replying u is synonymous to a waste of time.

I specifically ignored toneyb cos I never directed my questions to him (no insults intended to toneyb). And his answer proved me right.

his answer reflects the christian answer to God's ontology, which the atheist claims to be wrong.

If u believe an answer is wrong, shouldn't u have the right answer?

that explains why none of the numerous atheistic protagonists ever took up the challenge of stating what GOD's ontology is? or who Jehovah is?

cos in reality they (including u) dont know, but would never admit that.

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you keep repeating one word all the time, now you sound like a broken record. . .i for sure know that you do not even know what ontology means, at least i have caught you miss using words like apologist and plagiarism, you clearly did not know what they meant but you kept using them until i exposed your ignorance, i know you also do not know what ontology means you just keep using it to keep your self in your bubble of delusion. . .toneyb on gave you the ontology of your god but you did not even attempt to say anything about . . . you just kept asking the same thing when it is clear that you do not even know the meaning of what you are asking. . .

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I hold no opinion of Nflah-nflah cos I have no knowledge of him/it.

You have an opinion of God, cos u have a knowledge of HIM. so who is Jehovah GOD? what is HIS ontology?

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How could that be a lie when you yourself said this:

I was simply paraphrasing you. How could that be a lie?

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ur misrepresentation of my view was a lie.

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You keep bearing false evidence against me and calling me a liar. Can you show evidence that I have lied?

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when did u become a full time LIAR?

"I dont know" is different from "I dont believe".

I dont know and have never heard of Nflah-nflah, that explains why i dont discuss or open threads about him/it.

U know who Jehovah God is that explains why u discuss HIS works by opening threads and criticising the scriptures.

That also explains y u dont believe in HIM.

so to help clear the irrationality of ur beliefs, I ask: who is Jehovah GOD? what is HIS ontology?

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do u know how silly it is trying to see things from an atheists point of view?

A xtian gives u his proof and also explains his belief. u say his analysis are silly, unacceptable and very unintelligent.

but the ironic thing is the average atheist cannot explain his belief/disbelief.

I consider this inability to explain his disbelief as the most irrational reality on the planet. I consider this inability very unintelligent, silly and absolutely unassuming.

I have no problem with an intellectually driven disbelief against my beliefs. what I do have a problem with is the inability of an atheist to explain his belief/disbelief. and u call that intelligence? I say thats silly!!!

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Just as you don't believe in Nflah-nflah because you do not know who/what Nflah-nflah is (ie you do not know or have his ontology), atheist don't believe in Yahweh because we do not know who/what Yahweh is.  If you give me an ontology that is plausible, maybe I might change my mind.

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I neither belief or disbelief Nflah-nflah, cos i dont even know who/what it is.

but u dont believe in GOD, right?

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You know how silly it is trying to explain that to them? It's too damn obvious but they always try dodging it.

Brainwashed to the fullest.

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Rule # 1

 

                                 You Are Not Your Beliefs

You are not your beliefs you should not associate yourself too closely with any pacticular religion. You were not born a muslim or christian, there is no such thing as a muslim or christian baby you didnot come out of your mothers womb saying Allah Akbar or Jesus Christ is Lord. These are beliefs that you acquired at a later time.

What are beliefs? Beliefs are the information that you have recieved whether it is accurate or flawed combined with your life experiences that lead to certain interpretations of that information. Life experiences such as for example you were indoctrinated to believe a certain religion is true. Critisizing belief is not hate. You were born a Christian or Muslim as mentioned and you can and you can become an ex Muslim or Christian quite easily.

Excellecent video!!!

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I believe in Nflah-nflah? Why don't you?

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Here is what the basic ontology of the Christian God is. Christians have endowed their God with all of the following attributes: He is eternal, all-powerful, and created everything. He created all the laws of nature and can change anything by an act of will. He is all-good, all-loving, and perfectly just. He is a personal God who experiences all of the emotions a human does. He is all-knowing. He sees everything past and future.

God's creation was originally perfect, but humans, by disobeying him, brought imperfection into the world. Humans are evil and sinful, and must suffer in this world because of their sinfulness. God gives humans the opportunity to accept forgiveness for their sin, and all who do will be rewarded with eternal bliss in heaven, but while they are on earth, they must suffer for his sake. All humans who choose not to accept this forgiveness must go to hell and be tormented for eternity. Do you agree with that?

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question: what are the beliefs of an atheists?

answer: That there is no GOD.

Who then is Jehovah GOD? what is HIS ontology?

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The burden of proof lies on the believer. when will you folks understand that?

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u probably need this advice more than anyone else. you cant even defend any of ur beliefs.

u are an atheist. u dont[b] believe[/b] in the existence or supremacy of GOD who is JEHOVAH GOD? what is HIS ontology?

u have also been running from pillar to post using the rhetoric "i dont know" whenever the darwin evolution guess is placed under the microscope of reasoning.

Take ur own advice, review ur beliefs objectively.

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