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Can Women Be Leaders In Islam?

When it is written in the Hadith that People who accept a woman to be a ruler of their affairs will not prosper? [Bukhari]

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Hello My Brothers/Sisters,

I'll like to hear your views on this, Strongly with Quranic and Hadith Proof, 'Quotations'.

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After a long away from nairaland I came back to see the right as been done. Congratulation to Jarus and to Mukina2 be your brthers keeper.

Long Live Islam for Muslims

Long Live Nairaland

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Women cannot never be leaders in Islam, Muslima are treated like domesticated animals by male Muhammedans.

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Hello Mukina,

I am directing this to Mukina. If Nairaland.com as the application for a member to send a personal message to the other I would have done this a long time ago.

I don't know how you might have feel to this topic but to the best of my knowledge I don't have any cunning objective towards it. You are my Sister in Islam, bound together my the Muslim Brother that states all muslim were Sibbling.

I don't know what might have made JARUS the Moderator, But to the best of my Knowledge, I don't think that'll affect the part you'll play on the Page.

I am using this medium to state my apology while I'm still with the thought that I never wrong you, I am only trying to protect our Religion Rite.

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"perfect this Page above every other pages on Nairaland, to let them know we were truly Muslims, "Islamist" not only by Birth or Conversion but By Nature."

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Are you sure about that? If that is so then the shaira law must not be true Islamic law?

Or the quran may be wrong about the value of human life?

Why is it that a man is valued more than a woman, and then a muslim is valued more than a non believer, and then those who believe in God are valued more than those who don't.

I mean seriously when will the story be straigtened out. Because if all human life is sacred and should be treated with dignity, you might want to educate your middle east brothers about that, even those that are not terrorists. You will do well to educate your muslim brothers in Africa too.

By the way happy ramadam, I believe it's still going on.

Thank you. No matter how much they try to get away from it, it still remains. Some will say that those are the sayings of the prophet and not of Allah, well if the prophet cannot be trusted with the words of Allah or be trusted to interpret correctly that which Allah has revealed to him, how can they tell that he truly did receive the revelations.

Because the quran is based solely on what muhammad claimed.

I am still trying to understand how it is it was corrupted and by whom and why? I want to know how logically it could have been corrupted and which of the sayings in it were corrupted and how is it that the Torah is corrupted even with the prophecies and how it is that those corrupted prophecies came true in the New Testament and the Jews and the Christians disagree on that issue, but it is stil corrupted? How can it come true if it was corrupted? I mean could men outsmart God? Do men have control over the happenings of God? I mean seriously, someone please make sense of it for me.

And I would like to know how it is the evidence that has been accumulated over the centuries could have been corrupted too? Because those evidences are in line with the teachings of Christ that muslims do not accept?

I would also like to know how it is Allah can be so untrustworthy, you know he can change his mind whenever he wants and for whatever he wants, but he cannot stay true to his word. Wouldn't that mean that he didn't care to be truthful in the first place?

Hmm well hopefully I can receive some answers finally instead of people dodging my questions and going on a let's see the faults in your own religion first.

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@Cayon: Harlem USA, you said? I may make my id prayer at the Masjid on 8th avenue, between 136/7. Some people told about it, yesterday. They say Guineans are the majority out there.

Well, since you know at least that Ibrahim (AS), is not a Jew, I will submit to you he was not by culture or by religion! Infact, he was not Hebrew either, unless you say that he adopted the Hebrew language/culture. He see that he was an adult before he left UR, in the modern day Iraq!

Just imagine what you will find if you are patient to read your Bible. Someday, you will find out that Jesus was nt god nor son of god, but that of his mother, Mary, only! Anything you find contrary to what the muslim is saying about Jesus, you will find that it came from some other guy, but not from Jesus! People in the people, the "Inspired Writers,' are make wild and unsubstantiated claims about Jesus, who is innocent of their claims!

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First, I must thank you for allowing me to go back and read the book of Genesis.  The Bible does not indicate that Abraham was a Jew.  After reading Genesis about who begat who (whew!!) seems as though Abraham was the great great gread grandfather of Judah.  Saying this, I think its safe to say that Abraham was Hebrew.   (You see Judah was one of Jacob's 12 sons.  Jacob was one of Isaac's 2 sons. Isaac was one of Abraham's 2 sons.)

Wow!! Now I understand clearly why the Jews and Arab are always at war.  They both hold the land of Israel sacred because of their origins back to Abraham.

My head hurts so I am giving this topic a break. Let me go back and edit my thread above

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Abraham is the father of Isaac and Judaism.  You asking me for a scripture proving  Abraham was a Jew  -well,  you got me, I didn't find any.  But here is my question:  Is a person Jewish by race or religion?

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@Cayon

About Abraham (AS), which came first? Abraham or Isaac? Who is the father of "Judaism" according to the bible?

There is no biblical/historical support for Abraham (AS) being a Jew. Correct me if you find information to the contrary. And thanks for your answer!

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@Cayon: The Bible is not needed. But you may by the end of the tour realise just that. And by the way, when the fast is over, I will come uptown. I used to live on Strivers row, in the days. Ask people who know the neighborhood. They will tell you.

I am not a partying kind. Its been many decades I haven't been to the type of party that you may be throwing. I have been into many food joints in that part of town. Even some hole in the wall. They do have good food. I am very conscious of what I eat these days. It has to be halal and then healthy.

Send me an email; aqeedahfirst@yahoo.com. You can also IM me. I will get back to you if you leave your schedule.

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@Virgo83: « #49 on: Yesterday at 03:14:59 AM »

Shelk, how do you throw the weight of responsibility of Nairaland's owner, Mr. Oluwaseun Osewa, on Mukina2? Finally, is there never a time in Islam, that a woman must have held a leadership or position of authority over men? Say our mothers, the wives (RA) of our beloved Prophet (AS)?

Sheik, in your effort to teach us, please teach us wholesomely true knowledge. A person can not become a subordinate in her own business just because she a woman who employs men? How about Seun who is not a musliml; does he have a right to employ who he wants? Is he bounded by Sharia? Please fear Allah. I also ask myself to fear Allah, too.

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@Cayon:

Ur, the town/city where Ibrahim (AS) came from is in the present day Iraq. He left the place they practiced idol worshipping! They were not Jews or Hebrews but Babylobians! The religion of judaism was not known by him. It was not known during the time of Moses (AS). Read your Bible, again! When Moses killed an Egyptian in defense of his people which led him to the exile in Median, the people in slavery under the Egyptians were known as Children of Israel with 12 tribes or in general Hebrew because of their language! The worshipped in the way their greatfather saw his own grandfather Ibrahim, his father Isiaq worshipped!

He transferred the worship process to his children, whom one of them was Yusuf, the treasury miniter of Egypt. It was in the reign of Yusuf as Egyptian Treasurer that Israel (Yaqub) and his other 11 sons and unknown numbers of daughters and all their families came to Egypt, as honored people! Again, one of the 11 sons was named Judah. It is from the name, Judah that Jew as a people and Judaism as a religion was invented! I said invention because when it comes to religion, Judaism was made up. Again, Judaism, was not known during the Prophethood of Moses. Please remember that they used to be divided into tribes and the tribe of Judah was one of them, though very prominent becaus it was one of the oldest tribes because of the birth position of Judah among his brothers.

Maybe because of this birth position that in time, they were all absorbed to being called Jews! They were not even called Jews even in te time of Solomon. It was after the death of the immediate successor of Solomon, that Israel was divided into two nations, Judah, and Israel! The nation of Judah contained mainly, the tribe of Judah. It may be that it is after this even that Judaism and Jew were derived from Judah!

Finally, I remember that you said that your father came from Nigeria. Can your great great grandfather who never visited America, but had passed away in Nigeria be called a New Yorker of American, because you are an American? It is not possible! It is therefore the case with even Judah who had passed on before his progenies and the progenies of this sibligs decided to cull out a form of religion and tribal identity from his very name, Judah! You can see how remote that Jacob the father of Judah can be hardly called a Hew or to be assumed to have procticed Judaism. The case of Isaac is even more remote! Finally, I will stop at Abraham. There is no way therefore, that Abraham is a Jew or Jewish by either tribe or religion!

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Islam did not exist until the 7th century AD, therefore he could not have been Muslim.

I am sure you will like it. One in the city or outside? I think you said you are going in a tour. I am gonna assume that its outside the city! Taqwa on Fulton and Bedford streets, a block away toward downtown off Nostrand and Atlantic Avenues is a good community to visit. You can also go to Kalifah still on Bedford, just 3 block after Taqwa.

And you, too.

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@Cayon,

You seem to be genuine from what I see of your posts. I haven't read all of them but to reply your post about Christianity being older than Islam, can you tell me what religion Abraham {Prophet Ibrahim (AS)} practised?

You will find that it reads like this "submission to the will of God" Abraham (AS) was regarded as a one who did the will of God all the time.

Islam, submission to the will of Allah is the religion that Adam (AS) and all the other prophets including Jesus (AS) practised.

I hope your search benefits you in the best way possible. Please let us know how your mosque tour and I will be happy to get you a book that talks about the miracle of the Quran,  You will see that it is IMPOSSIBLE for it to have been copied from the any source than the Designer, Creator, Allah.

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@Cayon: « #44 on: Today at 12:56:30 AM »

A great advise.

Wrong. Maybe Christianity, since they have Jesus, a Jew, at least thats what the whole branches of Children o Israel call themselves, for many generations, now. And the Christians call them that too. We in Islam call them that as a form of derogatory, "Yahud," in Arabic. When we honor them we call them Bani Israil, children of israel.

Islam is not based Jewish faith. Islam is not based on Christianity.

Similarity based on common characters and general story ideas. However the details are dissimilar. And the Bible is not a source, major or minor for the Qur'an!

Yes. This should only point to you that the Muslims consider these Prophets, as Muslim personalities. You can never draw up any other conclusion that my join the Qur'an with any part of the Bible.

It says he was not killed and not crucified! You will therefore agree that there will be no ressurrection, if dead do not occur. And the Qur'an did not say that he went straight to heaven from the cross. It just says he was raised up to heaaven! Cross was not mentioned along with raisng him to heaven.

It says there is no suffering in paradise, but joy and enjoyment. There is no regret. I did not read about "partying!" But if the elements listed mean party to you, then sis, party hardy then.

Then tell me why the letters of paul and others? Tell me why the day to day going about of the disciples in the acts, along with others include post Jesus books? Then tell me how part of the Bible can talk about One God, and others talk about thre. Tell me how God have never been seen at anytime, but the christian reported that Melchezdeket, the third that came with the Angel and remain with Abraham, when the others went to Sodom and Gomorrah, and yes, Jesus are the reincarnations of this God, aon earth?

Tell me how son have to be attached to Him, when He God does not do the things He created for us; procreation, etc, whereby He God has always brought things to bear by creation, only? Are those who were Inspired to write the Bible, prophets, or just ordinary men? Why do many verses, editions, revisions, etc about in what you said came by inspiration? Are the inspiration changing, each time, if you compare side by side each Bible of the same type? Why then do we have verses missing in one, and in other it is in there or as a footnote? Why do we not have the same exact numbers of Books in Protestant Bible, eg KJV, if compared to Catholic Douwy's? Is there a proof of any inspiration? You see the inconsitencies, now?

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Thats your statement and you have no proof of it. If Muhammad have written it, it will shock any and all sane mind that he did not claim the credit for it. And neither as any who truly followed him! Its been over 1400 years and the challenge fo man to produce the like of it, even a single chapter (Surah Kawthar is the smallest of its 114 surahs. Kawthar contains only 4 short verses)! Yet no one has ever succeeded in doing! Would you say this is from an illiterate man, still? What has happen to those Ph. D., holders? Can't they just take up the challenge, head-on? Finally, there are scientific evidences in the Qur'an, more than you can ever discover in the pages of the Bible. I gues you are still reading. Soon you will ge to verses about many branches of science!

Be patient. Continue to read. Soon you will discover the truth.

I wish you success in this journey! Amin.

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re the survey above. 

Even though I support equal rights for women.  Personally I prefer male run things.  Why?  Women are definitely more emotional and sensitive than men, especially emotional.

Peace

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Note the context of my rebuttal. It concerns an attempt to force mohammad into the bible. Everything else is none of my business, unless of course you say the bible isnt.

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Look at the Qur'an and see the big difference it contain away from the bible!

If your casual friend wrote a book about you, and somebody was relating the gist of the book to his own friend in California. The  guy in California decided to use the information he has gotten, from the mere hearsay to write a book about you. If later on, your mother decided to write a book about you, will the book of the guy who only got his information from a summary about your life from his friend who read the book written by some casual frined of yours, be as reliable as that of your mother, who can actually start of with he first time she saw your dad and all the way to whatever age you are today?

The Qur'an is similar in this way to the book written by your mother. While the Bible is similar in this way to the book wrtten by the guy in Beverly Hills, California!

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Look at the Qur'an and see the big difference it contain away from the bible!

If your casual frine wrote a book about you, and somebody was relating the jgist of the book to his friend in California. The gut in california decide to use the information he has to write a book about you. If later on, your mother decided to write a book about you, will the book of the guy who only got his information from a summeary from his friend, be as reliable as that of your mother, who can actually stat of with he first saw your dad att the way to whatever age you are today?

The Qur'an is similar in this way to the book written by your mother. While the Bible is similar in this way to the book wrtten by the guy in Beverly Hills, California!

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tunde na you be that? Shey you guys don resume?Chat with you soon.

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whats the retional behind your thinking poster

Nobody is gonna be judge by gender but by what you do,

@frizy how egypt?, Long time

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@Virgo83

I see nowhere here, posters claimed that Women can lead men in prayer. Of course, it is a known fact that a woman cannot lead men but can lead women of her type in the absence of men.

I stand to be corrected

Looking forward to reading that.

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@Davidylan: You still didnot get it. Let me try to share what the Bible is to us. Thing of the Bible as BLOOD. Normally, to an ordinary person, blood may just be that without any water content. But to a specialised Scientist, he will know that blood contains "water." What the person who does not know the truth about the Bible will say, is what you are saying, about what it contains about the Last prophet (AS).

Qur'an informs us that the people of the Books know Muhammad (as), as they know their own children. When you become a father you will kno the truth about this statement. We in Islam are therefore able to know where Muhammad is written about, in the "Corrupt" Bible. God has preserved these types of truths in the Bible.

Look just like you will never as a Christian be able to put a single Bible forward, that will be agreeable to all Christians as the proverbial "Word of God," to refute what the Qur'an calls the Bible, Corrupt. Same way, your corrupt Bible will never be able to remove the suble confirmations of God being One, even though the Idea of 3 godheads an personality is being pushed in the NT. You will never be able to push out the fact that Jesus is a begging entity before his Lord God Almighty Creator. Finally, you will never be able to push out Muhammad, even as you continue to deny it. It is obvious that it is in ther.

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Group admonishes women on Ramadan

An Islamic group, The Criterion, has urged Muslim women across the country to brace up for the forthcoming Ramadan fast.

A release from the organisation on Monday, also urged women, especially mothers, against taking the back seat during the religious obligation.

National Ameerah (President)of the group, Dr. Fatimah Abdulkareem, an associate professor of Pathology, signed the statement.

Abdulkareem said, “It (Ramadan) breeds harmony amongst family members and the Muslim Ummah in general. It teaches us patience, perseverance and good manners.”

“Fasting gives the body systems complete rest and improved ability to function. It also teaches us contentment and discipline. It is a shield against sin.”

According to the group, mothers have roles to play in order to reap the benefits of the period.

To overcome all distractions during Ramadan, the group admonished mothers to clean their homes and valuables, and engage in bulk food purchase in preparation for the period.

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In A Complete, Purely Islamic Settings.

In an Islamic State I mean, the composition of Imam never considered a Woman not even as an option but within Her Gender.

[b]I am preparing A Presentation on This Topic[b].

So every body should watch out

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Assalam Alaykum,

There is no specific verse in the Quran that abrogate the leadership of women in Islam. However, the explantion of Hadith concerning women leadership is subjected to different juristic schools. Moreso, there is no scholarly agreement as to women could not be a leader in Islam. However, the most common consenesus on women leadership are subjected to one of the following conditions:

1. The composition of the society

2. The kind of duties to carry out by being a leader

3. Agreement of the followership

1. If the society is purely islamic, for example in an Islamic state with able men and women composition, the islamic leadership in such environement is solely for Men. Moreover, under islamic jurispudence, in any society, women can occupy any post except the Head of State. However, if the society is non islamic or mixed and the mode of system is non Islamic, the system of such community should be respected, whatever the kind of system being operated.

2.  The subject of who leads in some tasks is consider for men in this regard except if the condition is critical or there is no able man to lead. The most prominent and common example is war and head of state. Also, as long as the duty does not prevent him from carrying out the marital duties as a wife and mother or exposing her nudities or subjected to unbliever policies in the matter of appearance or dressing.

3. Followership determination on the choice of who lead them.

On the above inscriptions, most of the sharia principles on women participating in politics or in goveermental posts based their verdict on them. In support of this is the proof that a society or community started from a single family; that is, a father and a mother. And Allah(SWA) instructed; whatever the decision in the house(for example as seen in weaning of child and Talaq; divorce) should be in mutual consultation between each other.

Quran:2:233

The mothers shall give suck to their children for two whole years, (that is) for those (parents) who desire to complete the term of suckling, but the father of the child shall bear the cost of the mother's food and clothing on a reasonable basis. No person shall have a burden laid on him greater than he can bear. No mother shall be treated unfairly on account of her child, nor father on account of his child. And on the (father's) heir is incumbent the like of that (which was incumbent on the father). If they both decide on weaning, by mutual consent, and after due consultation, there is no sin on them. And if you decide on a foster suckling-mother for your children, there is no sin on you, provided you pay (the mother) what you agreed (to give her) on reasonable basis. And fear Allâh and know that Allâh is All-Seer of what you do.

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Quran 65: 6.

Lodge them (the divorced women) where you dwell, according to your means, and do not treat them in such a harmful way that they be obliged to leave. And if they are pregnant, then spend on them till they deliver. Then if they give suck to the children for you, give them their due payment, and let each of you accept the advice of the other in a just way. But if you make difficulties for one another, then some other woman may give suck for him (the father of the child).

There is another verse which Allah mention mutual consultation with no gender segregation:

Qr42:38: And those who answer the Call of their Lord [i.e. to believe that He is the only One Lord (Allâh), and to worship none but Him Alone], and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and who (conduct) their affairs by mutual consultation, and who spend of what We have bestowed on them.

Most of the Jusrists oppinions women paricipation in politics are based on the above Quranic verses and also the life of prophets in making decision, which was always with consultation with no gender segregation.

The circumtances at which the prophet says;'A nation which placed its affairs in the hands of a woman shall never prosper' had been explained by some scolars that it was only relevant to the preceding events and not general. And similar hadith is when the prophets says that Qibla is between mecca and medina, in order to locate the Qibla is applicable only in mecca alone.

There are other citations which some jurists against women leadership whereas some who admit it. The most common and aggree consensus are those who take the middle course; claiming that women can take any post in any society or community with some restrictions as stated above. Alah Aalam.

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The Quran does not limit women from being leaders in any form, be it spiritual, societal or commercial. Many accounts throughout history reflect this idea, as women have held positions or pioneered movements.

It's undisputed that one of the earliest commentators and scholars of Islamic knowledge was Aisha, the Prophet Muhammad's wife (may God be pleased with her). She transmitted and commented on many things the Prophet Muhammad said and did, which forms part of the basis of fiqh, or Islamic law.

In addition to being legal scholars, women like Rabi'a al-'Adawiyya were spiritual leaders as well. These women are distinct from jurists because they focused on the spiritual needs of the people as opposed to expanding Islamic rules and laws.

The only religious area from which women have traditionally been barred is leading the five daily prayers as an imam. Various explanations have been put forth, and although people like Amina Wadud have challenged them, the vast majority of Muslims have condemned her ideas.

This isn't much different from the debates raging in Catholicism and Orthodox Judaism about ordaining female priests or rabbis.

Although female Muslims have been business owners, political leaders and health professionals, it should be pointed out that historically these leaders have been among a minority. This is directly the result of our male dominated and patriarchal society, which persists today.

However, the role of women is not a "Muslim problem;" rather, it's humanity's problem. I realize I might be stepping on some toes here, but I would argue that even our country still hasn't reached true gender equality.

Women only got the right to vote 90 years ago in the United States, and statistically, men are likely to make more money and advance faster and higher than a woman in my field. The disparity between the treatment of males and females is even more apparent in other countries.

It's easy to use Saudi Arabia as an example where women aren't even allowed to drive. But as most Saudis will be quick to point out, it's based on cultural reasons, not Islamic justifications.

However, Saudi Arabia is an extreme example that defies the norm, especially compared to countries such as Egypt, Syria, Malaysia and Jordan, where they don't have these laws.

Some religions are criticized for portraying God as male. Certain feminists maintain that this portrayal leads to societal male dominance. Islam has a somewhat unique perspective on the gender of God as compared to other traditions.

Although God is referred to as "He" in the Quran, "he" isn't used exclusively for males, especially since Arabic does not have gender-neutral pronouns. God's qualities are described using both masculine and feminine archetypical traits. So God is beyond anthropomorphic description, and it's impermissible to assign God a gender.

This ties into the belief that God will judge men and women equally, making neither spiritually superior over the other. Therefore, it's ludicrous to assume that men are divinely predisposed to be leaders and women are not.

Women can excel in whatever field they choose, but they must continually grate against our male-centric society. Hopefully, through continuing discourse, these barriers will eventually ebb away.

credit goes to Zakariya Dehlawi for this.

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salam alaykum warahmatullah,

There's no doubt about the fact that Allah assigns different roles to the male and female gender according to His wisdom and majesty. We should not allow the modernity od today distract us from this fact. Examples abound in the Quran and sunnah pointing to the leadership roles of men. However, we should not at the same time, abuse these roles.

A female moderating in nairaland, I think, is not too much a role for a woman to occupy. Most of us do not even know Mukina personally. By moderating here, what Islamic law has she infringed upon, assuming a leadership role? What about the ameerahs we have in our MSS, and other Islamic organisations? Are they also committing wrong? I think Mukina's role here is even better because her job here doesn't expose her to free mixing with men, she's not engaged in any laborous work here. These are (some of) d things Islam considers when looking at the musimah and working.

If we say a woman should not moderate here, we can as well say a woman should not be a teacher, afterall, she's the leader in her class, a woman should not have a tailoring outfit where there'll be apprentices etc etc.

Please let's not make an issue out of this.

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@Virgo83

Salam and I love your posts but the above calls for attention. How did what you post up affects/contibutes to the discussion here? There is a significant difference between Knowledge and Understanding. There are lots of people that do not go to any Arabic institute but knows Islam more than those than went to the school through reading, surfing, asking and confirming from the learned ones etc. We should be very careful on how we apply our knowledge to issues.

May Allah increases our knowledge.

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@Virgo83:

Ya Shekh, Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah. How many Khadihatu Qubra, alive then and worse still, now? We should not forget that the issue of Islamic jurispudence has its place; within and among the sphere of Islam.

However, we see that Nairaland is owned by a non-muslim. Just like businesses owned by non-muslims, do we impose our Islamic ethics in a hard and firm manner, especially when what is on ground is not truly anti Islam and we really do not have a voice to change anything?

If we are to enact Islamic ethics, hard and firm, then Obasanjo would never have been the leader of Nigeria. And none of those leaders who had been non-muslims and the hypocrites, among us, who had been leaders, should have led. I remind you of this, as a means of expressing limitations that you have on Nairaland. And if you have a greviance, you should write to Seun, after this to express your opinion. I hope he will tell you how he feels from his heart.

Finally, the prophet (AS), did turnaround and proposed to Khadijah (ra), in order to honor her goodness and integrity. There was no time it was read that Khadijah did not retain the ownership of her business. She was because of her wealth, was able to bankroll Islam, as long as she lived. If she was not the owner of her business anymore, then the ahadith where women (that would include wives) could own properties (and business is property), will be ineffective. We do not see any abrogation of this liberation of women, from the position of property-less, and they being the property of the pre-Muhammad's Islam of the Arabs. Please help us in good and sound education.

Please show us any verse of the Qur'an or ahadith that condemned her position among her people. Let me give you an example of what I want to know from you. Allah spoke about what is forbiddened to the Children of israel. In extension, put forward what is forbiddento mankind, and specifically the believers. Then God the Almighty Allah mentioned what in the meat that Israel, prophet Yaqub (as) forbid himself. Please show us where Sheeba's reign is abrogated or consideed as a bad thing and must not be repeated, because she is a woman.

Please bear in mind that a woman lead a battle against a disbelieving clan in Madina, because there was no single male able body to lead it. It was also reported that a woman led Salah, when there was no single male able body to do so. These two were within Madina. Now tell me when it is within Nairaland.

@@Davidylan:

Now, aren't you aware that Bilquis' burial place is reported to be outside Ijebu Ode, on the way to Ibadan? How did she get there? Please go and find out these titbits, which are very essential to your baseless but blanketed assumptions.

In all your bruhaha against islam, America has never elected neither a woman or black as her leader. Yet not only Pakistan, but Bangladesh and Indonesia have ben much more progressive. And though Turkey may have seen herself as a secular European nation, that is based on location, but the heart is always entranched in Islam. may Allah return them all into the true fold of islam and not to continue in the fringes. Amin.

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Yes she did, after the event of Solomon seizing her throne, however, david I think the myth must lie in the bible.

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We all know what happened to her after.

turkey regards itself as a secular European nation.

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speaking from both sides of the mouth.

You forgot that women are also said to be deficient in intelligence and most in hell fire are women.

if not why would the tesimony of 2 women be equal to that of one man?

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Men and women are equal in islam but with different roles to play in the society. The roles assigned to each sex automatically fits it because it was prescribed by their Creator.

“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other…” [al-Nisa’ 4:34].

It is also clearly indicated by the hadeeth of Abu Bakrah who said that when the Prophet SAW?S (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) heard that the Persians had appointed the daughter of Chosroes as their queen, he said, “No people who appoint a woman as their leader will ever prosper.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 13/53).

This is a very sensitive issue as the world is now filled with the belief that women should do everything while the role of women in the society has been clearly explained in the qur'an and sunnah of the prophet (SAW). This is nothing but the plot of the unbelievers and they have succeded to some degree considering the behaviour of some of our women.

There is no dispute among the scholars that one of the conditions of the imaam or leader is that he should be male, therefore i urge my brothers and sisters to stop debating on this issue due to its clear and sensitive nature.

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Sexism of the highest order.

Nairaland is a secular forum my friend.

Don't carry your female 3rd class mentality in here.

If people like you had their way,she'll be wearing a burqua and locked up behind a wooden gate.

well she was the owner of the business and he was a mere errand boy aka boiboi

did you expect her to hand over a business she built with her sweat over to a caravan driver who had no clue how the business started just because he became her husband ?

Your example here doesn't jive honey

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@Virgo 83: Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah.

My brother, even though Mukina2 and I have a daughter/father relationship, I am making the following observation to you in the light of Qur'an and Sunnah. Considering that Sunnah is an expression of Qur'an, you and I will not disagree about it, therefore how do you see the view of the relationship of Khadijatu Qubra, and her husband, Anabiullah Muhammad ibn Abdallah (as), in the business of Khadijah? Who was the boss, between the two?

Further, would it not be discriminatory based on gender, which Allah had eradicated by Islam, given both genders equal religious responsibilities, a condition that is even more important than the subject of public affairs and governance, that is uder it? You will agree that it is your salah that will be examined, prior to other things, in the day of judgement. Is the salah of men more valuable than that of women?

Consider, further that Allah command everyone to reach his/her greatest potential, how therefore do you wanna relegate a woman who has a great potential with a lukewarm position? Is that what Islam teaches?

Now consider that Seun, the owner of nairaland is a disbeliever, but he is the boss, what do you think of his overall position over you, a believer? Will you now legislate that Seun who buid his business from the knowledge and every human power and enerny that Allah bestow on him as a means of his livelihood should now leave the helm for a muslim?

My brother, if Seun made his decision, you have to deal with it. This is the reality of life, as long as you are on nairaland, Seun rules. His rule is comparatively absolute over you and I on his nairaland. If he desires, which is obvious to have Mukina2 as the overseer of all the religious, and other sections, the Islamic section is without saying, therefore will have to follow his decision.

Please note that in every condition in Islam, there are some exceptional circumstances that can posibly change what you think the norm is.

For example, pork, alcohol is forbidding in normal setting. However, if it is the only way to preserve life, this commandment will be subjugated to preservation of life. A person can even deny his faith if he fears death, in as long as the earth does not deny it, while the mere denial is from the tongue.

In a condition in Madina a muslim woman lead the protection of a group of children and extremely old and frail people, against the enemies. We will see that Muslim women were even teachers of Hadith for example. They actually taught Qur'an as well to males who had no knowledge of either, while these women were alima., knowledgeable people.

My example is Aisha (ra), the wife of the prophet (AS).

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Hello My Dear Moderators,

This is nothing but the Truth.

mukina2, Me seems you occupy the Leadership in moderating of this page, If my assumption is true I strongly recommended Mustay to take the Leadership and you assist Him.

So you must not be the first to comment concerning any issue on this 'RELIGION/ISLAM FOR MUSLIM' Page, Unless on the Permission and Authorization by Mustay, and if you're the first to comment you must indicate, Authorized, As a Signature to identify Mustay's Authority.

Islamic Ethics and Guidance must be respected and obeyed.

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