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Can You Attend A Church Led By A Woman?

People have argued that female pastors do not make good leaders because women were not created to lead but be led. So, can you attend a church pastored by a woman, especially as a man?

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if she can tell me where the husband is nd the roll he's playing

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perhaps i can, but not one STARTED by a woman. definitely!

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No i cant,cos i hav been in it b4 nt nw again,its nt wel organised.No i cant,cos i hav been in it b4 nt nw again,its nt wel organised.No i cant,cos i hav been in it b4 nt nw again,its nt wel organised.

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A woman can teach/preach.

As long as she has a spiritual covering over her head

All those hiding behind 1Cor14:34-end,should balance it with 1Cor11:3-7

Men are not allowed to wear caps in many Nigerian churches yet Catholic,Anglican&Methodist bishops do

Is their own manhood superior to other men?

So many wrongly intepreted Scriptures used to uphold falsehood

BTW,a man can wear a cap whilst in Church just as a woman can minister

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Only if the woman is me.

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Also Note that the command in focus was clearly given to the New Testament Church (which began on Pentecost Day, A.D 33). The Jesus-mary even happened a couple of weeks before that.

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Of course He was a Pastor, a preacher, a prophet etc, There is nowhere the bible says women should not be Pastors. But over who? That is the issue. Over men.

Ac 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

The above verse clearly states that in the last days, ALL BELIEVERS will be appointed the role of prophets. Meaning in one way or the other we are all Pastors. In school, in work, in family, to our friends. By prophet, I mean we have all be given the role of preaching the word of God. So its not a matter of whether paul was Pastor. But the issue is not of Paul (can smell digression), its of Women taking authority or leadership position in the church.

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For the bold, I anticipated that reply. But we're talking of position of leadership here. You can make a similar argument using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla's name is mentioned first, perhaps indicating that she was more “prominent” in ministry than her husband. However, Priscilla is nowhere described as participating in a ministry activity that is in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11-14. Priscilla and Aquila brought Apollos into their home and they both discipled him, explaining the Word of God to him more accurately (Acts 18:26).

In Romans 16:1, even if Phoebe is considered a “deaconess” instead of a “servant,” that does not indicate that Phoebe was a teacher in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not deacons (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9). Elders/bishops/deacons are described as the “husband of one wife,” “a man whose children believe,” and “men worthy of respect.” Clearly the indication is that these qualifications refer to men. In addition, in 1 Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:6-9, masculine pronouns are used exclusively to refer to elders/bishops/deacons.

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual [scripture] things with spiritual [scripture].

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@toluxa1: Of course I read you, loud and clear. But then, tell me, was Paul not a pastor as well, a pastor of the pastors? A General overseer? That was why I said I weep in pidgin Aramaic. What makes Paul qualified, and yet telling others that it would be better if they could be celibate like himself, to attend to the ministry? Would that not make them disqualified by your rule above?

The simple truth is that marriage of the pastor has not been, and will not be, a criteria for the move of the Holy Spirit in any church.

That was my point, and not that Paul was an elder.

P.S> I need to go now. I have a lot to say on this topic. Maybe when I return much later I will make my posts.

Cheers.

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@toluxa:

The only place where pastor occurs in the KJV is in Jeremiah

KJV Jer 17:16 As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right before thee.

AMPLIFIED Jer 17:16 But as for me, I have not sought to escape from being a shepherd after You, nor have I desired the woeful day [of judgment]; You know that. Whatever I said was spoken in Your presence and was from You.

MESSAGE Jer 17:16 But it wasn't my idea to call for Doomsday. I never wanted trouble. You know what I've said. It's all out in the open before you.

which thus makes it clear that the duty of a pastor is that of a shepherd: lead the flock. How do you lead the flock? By having the right message (which is what translates to the direction they would follow. e.g. if Mary didn't deliver the message, how would the disciples resume their duty?)

I rest my case.

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@toluxa1: I weep in pidgin Aramaic. If the leaders needed to be married with children, then Paul himself was disqualified. I hope you can see that the church in Ephesus was a peculiar church? As well as the one in Corinth? The peculiar bit about each church has to do with their idolatrous practices, which placed women in authority. For new converts from such practices, they may want to do the same with Christianity, and that was what Paul was warning against.

As a rule of thumb, whenever I want to verify the truth about God's Word in a matter, I use the two or three witnesses approach to establish the matter. If I find three witnesses (in this case, two other writers apart from Paul, or Paul in two other situations or circumstances) who said the same thing, then it's hook line and sinker for me. But that's my own view.

I served in Chanchaga local government, lived in Bosso, near the FUT, where I used to go and play chess and twack the students, and well, I used to lose and draw too but I won most times. LOL. Further details may not be discussed cos I like partial anonymity on NL.

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1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

I think the main Emphasis is that Women should do spiritual teaching or have authority over men in the church. That is why God commanded in 1Cor 14:35 that they should not Teach in the Church (because the probably will be men in the church).

1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Mary did not in anyway take up spiritual authority over the disciples or teach them. She simple delivered a message. (go to My brethren and tell them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.)

You see women's place in the church is an example of the decision by the church to change God's law to suit man's ideas. There is tremendous pressure to accept women in the pulpit and allow women to rule and have authority in the church. This is absolutely contrary to the law of God. God has given strict rules regarding the leadership in the church (I Timothy 3). Not only must the leaders be men, but they must be married with children, giving evidence that they can rule their own home. Also, many other qualifications are given for these rulers. Therefore, most men do not qualify for leadership, and yet, churches today are appointing single men and married men without children. This, the churches have chosen to go their own way and to disregard God's law.

Minna is fine. I'm a student in FUT. I was born here though. Where did u serve? Inside Minna?

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@Toluxa: Why have you refused to answer my question about Jesus' perspective?

By the way, how is Minna? I had my NYSC there years ago,

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@toluxa1: I stopped arguing on Nairaland two or three weeks ago. So, I have read what you said, but I want you to tell me your view about the last thing I said in my previous post, taking note of the fact that Mary was sent to MEN and not women and children:

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Come om, now mavenbox. I didnt expect you to come up with this kind of reply. One ECWA village pastor told me the same and all i could do was shake my head.

You see, there are many “objections” to this view of women in ministry. A common one is that Paul restricts women from teaching because in the first century, women were typically uneducated or troublesome (as you have said). However, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 nowhere mentions educational status or troublesomeness. It is not about what we think. If education for example were a qualification for ministry, the majority of Jesus' disciples would not have been qualified. A second common objection is that Paul only restricted the women of Ephesus from teaching (1 Timothy was written to Timothy, who was the pastor of the church in Ephesus). The city of Ephesus was known for its temple to Artemis, a false Greek/Roman goddess. Women were the authority in the worship of Artemis. However, the book of 1 Timothy nowhere mentions Artemis, nor does Paul mention Artemis worship as a reason for the restrictions in 1 Timothy 2:11-12.

The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 makes the “reason” perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for” and gives the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11-12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived.” God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. This order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22-33) and the church. The fact that Eve was deceived is also given as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men. This leads some to believe that women should not teach because they are more easily deceived. That concept is debatable, but if women are more easily deceived, why should they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? That is not what the text says. Women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. As a result, God has given men the primary teaching authority in the church.

God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers, or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership—in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching men or having spiritual authority over them. This logically would preclude women from serving as pastors/preachers. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s plan and His gifting of them.

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BTW, where is Pilgrim.1?

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This is another way in which the Church has gone astray and forsaken the word of God.

1 Timothy 2:11-12 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church..

The scripture is clear on this Matter, but today we see Women leading and even owning Many Churches. May God have Mercy on His people.

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@pilgrim

E ya, you tried sha but I think you are stretching what paul and the other apostles meant, it is clear that women have always taken the back seat from the onset no amount of analysis would change that.

Take a church like Church of God mission, with late bishop benson Idahosa's wife as a bishop, now that aint gonna happen in the time of paul.

Your explanations are out of context because that was a time when female suppression reigned supreme. But today things have changed and again ways have been found from the same bible to accommodate it, like I have said in some of my posts bending beliefs to fit with reality.

Cheers.

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To all those knocking their heads against the wall arguing that women cannot lead a church, let it be known to you that in Christ Jesus, there is neither male nor female. His agenda on earth is much bigger than the issue of gender and He will use any willing vessel, irrespective of gender. Offices in the church are not gender based, and God will use a male vessel as quickly as He would a female. We see several places in scripture where He used women in leadership positions. Even in post-bible world, we see several instances where God used women in leadership positions in the church -- wasn't 4square founded and led by a woman?-- I can't even begin to tell you the several number of women missionaries in several churches across america who relocate to countries where several people are yet to hear the gospel and end up starting and pastoring churches there, with God confirming the words that proceed from their mouths with unmistakable signs and wonders following. . .  and to think some folks are still sitting around arguing about women leadership in church?? Incredible!

Let the answer to this question be the final arbiter: Will God manifest His power in a church being led by a woman?

If the answer to that question is YES, then please let's stop all this nonsense arguments and get busy fulfilling God's calling on our lives. Afterall if God has no problem calling women to leadership positions in the Church and working through women in such positions, who are we to say women can't occupy those positions?

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@pilgrim.1

I have re-read all your referals and my conclusion is this: You are just dancing round in circles and as usual not hitting the nail on the head. however in this case you are trying to force the meaning out of paul's statement contrary to your efforts to force meanings to other scriptures which we have debated in the past.

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are u questioning God? He decides to use whoever is available be it male or female.

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Leaders in Church are not appointed mainly to be speakers - there is more to leadership than has been traditionally thought of.

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A church - proper one anyway - cannot be led by "a woman". Neither can it be led by "a man".

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@pilgrim

READ JUDGES CHAPTER 4 and 5 Very well

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A woman leading the people of the "called out church" cannot exist.

A woman can however minister.

A woman filled with the Holy Ghost by the direction of the Holy Ghost can and will never Leader a Church of God people.

A woman possesed of another Spirit ( like that of a business enterprise) can lead any Church (not God's Church).

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Firstly the Catholic church has never painted Mary Magdalene wrongly, she is a saint. If anything no one else honours her.

No I won't be a member of a Church where a woman is the Pastor. A woman however, can be a leader in the Church but she cannot be a Pastor. Christ did not choose women as his apostles, but men, Apsotle Paul already stated that the woman is not to be a Pastor.

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may the lord save us from our ego's

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@ Backslider,

Instead of crying 'semantics' every single time your IQ has failed you in examining God's WORD for yourself, why not try another joke? After having discussed this issue extensively, I have left the one single challenge every single time: go to the Bible and show that the things you read in my posts are not so!!

WHY are you guys so scared about discovering the simple truth for yourselves? Do I suspect it is because your complaining is testimony that you are slaves to your false tradition of making leadership in the Church a ONE-Man show? Where does God's WORD ever teach YOU Backslider that any Church had only one man as leader of the Church?

Even if you are seriously unable to read, before you complain further, turn your Bible to Judges chapters 4 and 5 and see that the woman called Deborah was a LEADER in Israel - "And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. . . and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment."

You may have a serious problem receiving simple truth; but don't push your lies in a public Forum and pretend you're helping to explain anything.

Cheers.

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@kobojunkie

I never said you said women should never lead. I am saying women should never lead.

Who did Jesus leave the Church to?

How did Esther lead the people?

Did I say women should not preach?

To lead God's people (The Ecclesia) It must be a Man not a Woman

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NO WHERE in my post did I state that it is according to the Bible that WOMEN should never lead. You came up with that on your own. If you even recall the story of Esther, you would realize that Esther led her people to victory over those who wanted them killed. If you recall Jesus sent out people to go preach the Gospel to the world. NO WHERE in there is it stated that ONLY MEN did he send. All over the bible, there were mentions of female prophets and no where does it state that they did not lead, infact, paul had to sit to listen to some female preachers preach. Please take the word as a whole not some of it.

NO WHERE in the Bible did JESUS say to ANYONE, I PICK YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE A MAN AND NOT A WOMAN, NO SINGLE PLACE will you Find SUCH, NADA!!! Jesus could have chosen anyone for his ministry and he chose exactly who he wanted to. To Now claim that Jesus was superficial and made sure to pICK A MAN is not an argument I even want to get into with anyone. It could be your thinking but trying to impose that on God without Him saying exactly that is you trying to create for yourself a different God and that you are definitely free to do but if we are speaking of the words in the Bible, No such statements was made by Jesus. sorry!!

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@Kobojunkie

The matter is not of pick and choose. You have well stated that there were no female disciple of Jesus but females helped.

You see that is the Original plan of God that the women will help the man. The woman was not to lead. Now some try use semantics of Leaders, leadership and Lead.

In a leadership a woman can be included to help as we saw with Jesus. We see Jesus having very close conversation with his disciples. Jesus never put any woman in the top Why?

A woman should never lead

The is nothing like a woman Leader that leads the Whole church , but there could be leader of women because of the complex nature of women a women will be in the better place to deal with the issues of women.

The woman cannot be the spiritual leader of a Church.

If Jesus wanted to use women his mother Mary should have been the first Mama.

The Man of God should be the only one to lead in the House of God.

She was chaste

Holy

Humble

Righteous

Why did Jesus not use Mary as his second in command as some pastors do now.

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Question/Subject:  Can You Attend A Church Led By A Woman?

No!  Run from it! That is no church.

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Its funny how people come up with all kinds of spurious ideas about christianity.

The Bible talks about the weightier matter of the law.

This is not one of them.

Like women covering the head isn't.

Peace.

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@Pilgrim1

Thank You Madam I will shut My Gutter mouth.

THE END.

@Cgift

Please if you find that I offend your believe and you dont want to continue Just type END.

Yes God is No Racist, because you have a problem with racism It does not mean you position your God with your level. Angels don't have a problem with these.

The Tribe of Judah( because Israel was named in Judah) or Israel which of them was a women.

Nope I don't mean women are evil but you must be named after a man not a Woman. Even your Mother's Surname is a man's name. Imagine a man named after a woman with no Surname. You know the evil that has happened before that can occur.

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Even the apostles had female prophets helpiing them do their work and ministering to the people. There were women among those sent out by Jesus to go preach the gospel to the world. In the Old testament, there were female prophets. I don't believe anyone saying that female prophets are not real are going by bible itself. I mean you can selectively pick and choose bible verses to support your claim but if you take the whole bible, then you have no claim. And since there are many today who do PICK AND CHOOSE theology, well, those will always come up with verses that favour their view but in general, the Bible is not against Female teachers.

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@Pilgrim1

Sorry about your Exams

Well please Just tell me of all the tribe of Judah why was it that the Lord name it after men.

Or of the disciple of Jesus who was a woman?

The word "disciple" refers to a "learner" or "follower." The word "apostle" refers to "one who is sent out." While Jesus was on earth, the twelve were called disciples. The 12 disciples followed Jesus Christ, learned from Him, and were trained by Him. After Jesus' resurrection and ascension, Jesus sent the disciples out (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8 ) to be His witnesses. They were then referred to as the twelve apostles. However, even when Jesus was still on earth, the terms disciples and apostles were used somewhat interchangeably, as Jesus trained them and sent them out.

There was no woman at all!!!!!!!

Do you see the similarity 12 disciples and 12 tribes named by Men no woman.

The day a child is named after a woman that day is the evil day

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One more thing:

If the submission of a woman is expected in marraige and marriage is supposed to mirror the Church, why shouldn't the submission of the woman be expected in the church - I mean, the Pastor Mrs. should have a 'reporting' line or something that would show her submissiveness in the church though she plays very active roles.

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Not too sure especially if there is no man at all like a pastor who would direct the rder of things. For me, there must be a man probably her husband who should be the head but she can have a very active role especially if she is a prophetess or something.

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@ AKO

There is no scriptural basis that justifies the claim of the poster. NONE. The only place where the bible gives room for the dominion of the male gender in human affairs is in the home.

Really ? not true!

When Esther was going to save her people, if the men had prevented her just because she is a woman, they would have perished. Period.

God DOES NOT CARE about your gender or your outward appearance. He cares most about your spiritual progress.

Please read your bible very well how did Esther Lead her people. Some people don't have bible study. As for those "Ministers" you mentioned just look deeply you see that they are leading people astray.

If he did not care about gender the promises of God should have gone to the other children of Isreal that were women. Please read your bible and study it very well. You can buy a commentary like Mathew Henry.

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Honestly you guys baffle me. I wouldnt have expected such a shallow argument like this to continue for this long. It show a lack of understanding of how God operates, and how man has brought the carnal sin nature to bear upon the affairs of the church of God.

D KOKO:::

ACTS 10:34; GOD IS NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS. He created all men and so has the right to use ANYONE who has a willing heart to fulfill His purposes on the earth.

There is no scriptural basis that justifies the claim of the poster. NONE. The only place where the bible gives room for the dominion of the male gender in human affairs is in the home. Everywhere else, God has given the right to each male and female to achieve whatever they set their hearts to.

When Esther was going to save her people, if the men had prevented her just because she is a woman, they would have perished. Period.

God DOES NOT CARE about your gender or your outward appearance. He cares most about your spiritual progress.

Or how do you want to fault great women of God like Joyce Meyer, Paula White, Bimbo Odukoya, Juanita Bynum but to mention a few. I would really love to hear replies that would contradict my stand, just for some comic relief.

And if you ARE able to bring out scripture, it would be an utter misinterpretation and I would prove it to you.

Cheers.

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Pilgrim1

Lets us talk with love in our hearts.

You have now come clear and I can now see your doctrine. The doctrine of co ownership of the Home is what your are skillfully pushing forward.

Well this is what is different in the Church. There is nothing like a woman SOLELY leading a congregation. Only a man can SOLELY lead a congregation.

Please who was Jesus woman Co-leader

Or who was Paul Co-leader

It is definite in the Church ordinance that you can not allow women to lead the Church. The reason is for Submissive purpose and this was in the ORIGINAL PLAN OF GOD.

That we are made to worship God makes us more like God. The good wife is service oriented, She does not look at is as a Burden.

Though we have wicked men but every service rendered to a man is a Good service. Eve in the bible sinned against her husband and she was forward in her thoughts and sinned against God.

Eve led her Beloved to Hellfire. Women are to submit to their men. And a woman leading a Church Epitomizes the Opposite of God's will on earth.

Imagine if Eve had asked her Husband for authority to prepare the fruit. What do you think would have happened? Why did you think Leviathan went to the woman and no the man?

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@pilgrim1

You are trying to define leadership and then say since the bible say women can Lead and did not qualify it then it means that women can lead the Church.

You can go into semantics and win your point but you must differentiate. A woman can lead a womans group or a children's church.

The style of interpreting the bible is the style that people that have just Logic of reasoning rather than the Spirit of the Most High God.

I have been holding my peace on this one. but I can say that any woman that leads a LOCAL Church is in the danger of the snare of the dreaded Fowler LEVIATHAN.

Let us look at the Virtuous woman

Proverbs 31

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10Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.

11The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.

12She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.

13She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.

14She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.

15She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.

16She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.

17She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.

18She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.

19She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.

20She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.

21She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.

22She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.

23Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.

24She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.

25Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.

26She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.

27She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.

28Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.

29Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.

30Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.

31Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.

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@Pilgrim.1,

Y the .1 sef? Neways, just to let you know that I don't see any where I categorically stated or indirectly inferred that Kuhlman or Maria Woodworth had superior views to that of the bible. I guess u conjured that up. If you weren't sure you should simply have asked me why I want you to read their biographies. Since you didn't ask and even though I indirectly told you, I will state it clearly, I wanted you to read their biographies so that you will know that they cede the ground that there are certain positions in the church not meant for women. Maria was the fore runner of women mounting the pulpit. Kuhlman was the most recent and the most powerful in modern history. Infact, Benny Hynn tailor her pattern as stated in some of his books.

I apologise if my tone is harsh or out of place. Had a long day.

I know it is a bitter pill to swallow but I didn't write the bible. Why not wait till u get to the white throne then you can throw your question @ Paul or God for allowing that instruction stay in the bible till this age as He had every chance to wipe it out before this time

This was the most balanced and well researched write up i could find on the net on this topic, please read it.

http://www.opc.org/new_horizons/9601a.html

I see no reason trying to place chaos where there is none. The bible is very blunt on this issue and it is same reason why Apostle (ACTS1 :14-end) is reserved for men, so also is the position of Bishop as I don't understand why Paul will say a Bishop must be the husband of one wife if the man there meant a woman as a leader also except Paul was in full support of lebian marriages.

Whatever you think,this will be my last contribution to this topic (titus 3:8-11)

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It's more like asking 4 God's gender. u min 2 say that God's grace is gender bias if u say women caanot lead a church. If GOD INDEED called the "woman" what can any "man" do abt it?

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@pilgrim1

Because you disobey your father it does not mean you will not have you birthday.

There is in the bible where a young prophet was mislead by an OLDER prophet it did not make it right.

You need to look at the scripture Katherine is not above scripture. M. Therisa is not about the Judgement of God. Judas was not above the Judgement of God.

The thing about Christianity is that you can sin and prosper but Judgement will come.

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Lord have mercy on us

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@ Backslider

Hello sir! I can't help but applaud the way you expositorily dealt with this matter by using the bible as your fundamental basis. I do feel with the women in the house, however, I am not the one that wrote the bible and I will rather not do anything extra biblical. I will rather be said to be out of date and defend my conservativeness before God by opening the bible than be modern and not have concrete proofs from the bible other than speculations and assumptions. I don't know what these guys want to see again. It has been clearly spelt out. A woman is not to hold certain positions in the church and that is the end of the story.

I will like to refer PILGRIM.1 to the biography of Kathryn Kuhlman with emphasis on how she saw her ministry before God.

@PILGRIM.1,

Read Kathryn Kuhlman's biography. You can also study Maria Woodworth Etter.

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