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Christians: Would You Prefer A Muslim Or A White Garment Partner?

I just wonder O ? I was on the train the other day, and saw this old friend of my primary school days, we got chatting, I was so eager to catch up more about her untill she told me she now attends a white garment church, my face fell at that point, I could't hide it, and she noticed, I apologised for this but she said I wouldn't be the first that she's used to such expressions as soon as she tells people .

I haven't spoken to her since then anyway. but really I just wonder because, I am not a Bloke ! and I just wonder what the poor girl would be going through if she doesn't find a partner in her church . but really I just need to know people's honest response to this: on which would you consider a second date? why and why not?

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The most melancholy thing about human nature, is, that a man may guide others into the path of salvation, without walking in it himself; that he may be a pilot, and yet a castaway. ~Augustus William

Shouldn't it be good enough that this person is just a human? you seem to think you are closer to God than that girl, care to tell me why?

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none of the offer

reason being they are another conventant

and I'm not ready to compromise

so NO WAY

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To marry a muslim, its a no and to marry a white garment church member its also a no. I attend CCC and a white garment church could be OOO, Sabbath, C&S, Morning Star,Aladura e.t.c. Like i always say alot of christains have no personality, what they have is the personality of their pastors and churches. The world is now in a stage where everyone has to define themselves either as a muslim, christian, witness, grail messenger, so this has hidden the you in you. This thread is only a controversial one and what is been said here is only based on what people think. My opinion to any sincere brother, sister, father, mother is that do not run anyone down irrespective of their belief until you know who they are. We only end up limiting ourselves and not our creator-GOD at the end of the day. Do you know if that partner has been prepared for an assignment in life and destiny. My fiance worships at the Christ Embassy, we had our share of heated arguments, views of friends and family. Infact it caused several strains in the relationship but today we have a direction. Another thing i must not fail to tell you guys is this- do not intend to change your partner once you have accepted them. Its only God that has the ability to change anyone. @beyonce how would you have felt if your told u she was now a lesbian and maybe in a gay marriage. I'll tell you something if you are still friends let the friendship continue. I have had a wonderful friend who has accepted me even when her other friends ran away from her cos of me. Good friend the bible says sticketh closer than even a brother. So i want to see more views.

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@pauluus, sabreeze, lioness,akani,ajia23, beyonce1

I will like to assume most of you are Xtians, and do despise the inactions of the pharasees and saducees towards Jesus.

but I can confidently assure u that, thats exactly what u are presently doing and even more unfortunately in this age of knowledge.

except for the few who spoke out of knowledge and expirience, I would have assumed the discussion is one-sided.

well to start with, I wasnt born in celestial, But today I am proudly one, though I hardly attend these days, but not for any of the reasons you think. I can tell 1000 miserable things about celestial, but so is it prevalent in other denominations and religions and worse still they are readily accepted as the norms of life. and there worse cases in your churches.

while no matter what I say, certain opinions and convictions will not change, I will still say this.

true, God exists

true, He lives in heaven

true, no man has seen and will see God, until that day, but

your conscience is your God and its dictates are His commandment. your moral values explain what you do, how you do it and sometimes the church you attend. depending on who u are going there to meet, God, pastor and or the congregation

@ topic

I will never marry a person on the pecints of religion. If she can meet my "other" benchmarks, religion is the least of my worries.

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For those who are screaming foul and calling this discrimination, you might want to instead take time to ask her what exactly she meant by white Garment church and why her face went pale when her friend said that .

@Poster, as one who attended the white garment church myself as a kid with my mum, I would not go back there even if you offered me gold. I still have nightmares where I see myself being baptized as a two year old at the church, memories I am not supposed to still have access to at my age. Anywho, I have not had much good experience with white garment churches but I do have friends whose fathers believed in the doctrine offered by some of those churches and I saw nothing wrong with them. I do not know your friend much but I know from my experience that I would not go back.

Yes, not everything that screams CHRISTIAN is of Christ. It is all over the bible and we are supposed to keep our eyes and ears open to spot the lies when they approach us. I do not know what white garment church your own friend attends, but I do know that not all people who say the name JESUS CHRIST are christians. I am going to guess there is a reason why you were surprised that this particular friend of yours went white garment. Do you mind sharing or is it personal??

I would neither go muslim. Life is hard enough.

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Question: Muslim or White Garment Partner?

Muslim

White Garment

I'm not a Christian

 

I choose "Neither."

From the way the question is asked, if one isn't a "White Garment," they're not a Christian. Aparrently, somebody has a very narrow view of Christians. Where i go to church, only the pastor wears a robe over his "duds."

The focus is not on what he is wearing but on God's Word.

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as long as they belive in the death and resurection of JESUS christ.The fear of God is the beginnning of wisdom, abi!

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Hypocrites! thesame set of people that says never falls heals over head for white garment chics but the truth, they are hypocrites in suites. It is also shameful this is what Christianity as become. I would rather date a Muslim than a hypocritical Christian!

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"As a christain i would choose neither, sorry to any cele in the house but i know and have seen first hand the practises in cele and it will make the hairs in the back of you neck stand on ends. I state it is not christainity at all, its a cover for more sinister and bordering on the occult of wicca in nature.

My feeling on churches are we know it,is it is very hard to find a true place of worship, alot are watered down,self serving, places of deceit. if you believe in God/jesus for me its a personal thing . The reason you have so many places given the name church or why there are so many diff denominations is because, people have not taken time to read that bible properly and worship the way God instructed. Its there , they just chose to skim over .Thats why they give you one verse of a chapter for instance ''God says he will bless you exceedingly'' you hear they screaming this one verse not bothering to look at what was said before the verse and after, its most likely God said ''if you obey all my commands'' then i will bless you.

can't really go into it people will have to research it themselves, put it this way cele worshippers come with too much baggage, so do a lot of people who say they are christains. A christain is not what your parents pass down to you, but a true follower of christ"

   

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Infact i cant imagine what u r trying to talk about?On what persective r u viewing the issue?on judgement,segregation,discrimation , religious apartheid or what?pls let poeple understand u better!

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hey afeni so wht are u trying to insinuate tht muslim are no human beings am darmnt sorry 4 u kk nonsense and about the topic beyunce i personally does nut detest them at all dat is d way dey pray to thre god kk

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The bible should be the reason behind our decisions, not what family, friends or church members say.

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Thanks Chinani,

You did not state where this Muslim Student's Association is? I really would like to know. I wish everybody could just treat the other with less suspicion, there would be a reduction of unnecessary rancour that we witness today if this were to occur.

I am glad you did not find those pryers unnerving and would at this point recommend you even try to know the meaning of some of what they said- you will be astounded.

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Excellent response ajia23.

I had the awesome experience of going to a BREAK FAST service/program during Ramadan two years ago. This BREAK FAST program was set up by the Muslim Students Assoc. (MSA) on my campus to raise money for local charities and raise awareness about Islam. Anyhow before Fast could be broken there was the traditional prayer in Arabic. I didn't find it unnerving at all. It was really beautiful & I enjoyed the whole program & the things I learned. I think as Nigerians we can not afford to be afraid of ppl who speak different languages then ourselves. Even ppl of the same religion speak different languages wether it's French, Spanish, Yoruba or Hausa.

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@beyonce1

I read with interest your misgivings about the white garment church. And I can confirm to you that evenMuslims view them with suspicions. I had a friend attending one of these churches in Ogudu GRA, and the pastor had always told them not to enter a particular room. Now on this day, all of the church members had gone home, but this guy forgot something and went back. He knocked on the door to that room, but heard no response, and so he opened the door. What did he see? The pastor had a rosary like the ones muslims use and was saying some muslim invocations!!! My friend memorized them, then came to me to know their meanings. The pastor told him though not to tell members of the congregation what he had seen.

You know where I am going with this? Well, people are afraid of what they do not know. La illa ha illa Lahu Muhammed rosulu laha means -There is no god, but God, and Muhammed is his messenger. A lot of christians are umcomfortable when muslims speak Arabic instead of english, and I cannot but agree with them that it's unnerving when you do not know what the other person is saying. So, I encourage muslims when they are asked to pray in public where we have other religoius faithfuls present, to pray in English so people hear and understand what they say. Though, the ritual solat-or prayer Muslims say must be in Arabic because an interpretation in english will as experience has shown us in the past, dilute the original meanings, or alter them altogether. That is why, those five daily prayers must be said in Arabic. Now, I have learnt Arabic to an extent, and if the Muslims were saying evil things, I would not be a muslim now. This is especially as when I was a child, and I went to bible school, my teacher would tell me those muslims worship idols, and the devil. But wheninthe higher institution, I became a good muslim, I discovered all I was told in bible school was balderdash.

Now, why are muslims afraid of white garment adherents? It's simple,we have mystics in Islam who use the Quran for illegal and unwholesome activities. You know, any word of God has power, but God does not intend that these books be used for evil. But man in his quest for power will use the injeel(Gospel), Sabur(psalms), Taurat(Torah), and the Quran(Koran) for mysticism. And some of the customers of these muslim mystics are other muslims with shaky faith, pastors of white garment churches, and indeed pastors of pentecostal churches. So, we view some of their activities with suspicion.

I would not marry even a muslim girl if I see amulets in her house or any other form of protection or help, which is prohibited and unfounded in Islam (These things are not permitted in Islam). This is only natural because, if for some reason we have a problem extraeneous or internal, she could go and consult these mystics who would give her 'things'to use without my knowledge. And this could compromise my faith. However, I can marry a christian girl because it is permitted in my religion. But she must be chaste, and she'll have to agree that our children would be muslims, if she herself chooses not to be. But before this can take place, I'd have satisfied myself that it's impossible to get a good muslim girl.

So let the debate continue.

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I'm surprised we haven't had a fiery reply yet.

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I am a xtain and i'm currently going out wif a muslim guy, I ve fallen in love wif him b4 I knew he is a muslim. Although he is really nice and down to heart. To be truthful if u come frm a vry strong gospel or evangelical family background as a xtain, u wouldn't choose any of d two cos of wut ur friends, FAMILY and church members will say.

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I wont mind a "secular" muslim (unlike Ajisafe), but I can't stand my partner running around in a white frock and bare feet except it's her nightgown.

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@ chinani, how do u mean 'ocassionaly looks like santa claus?', i didnt get that. Lol

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Well said GL. Americans also think/write about a very permissive GOD. Occasionally HE even resembles Santa Claus.

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The issue with White Garment churches, mormons, or any other group that calls themselves christians isn't they way they dress. It is the things that they believe, and some practices they observe. I believe that being a christian doesn't rob u of ur personality, which is influenced by ur upbringing and environment. However, when we become christians we are to do away with the anti-Christ things we've learned or are used to. I think some white garment churches carry over some Yoruba traditional whatever into christianity. Using holy water, not wearing shoes, wearing white garments, are not bad in themselves. When the focus shifts from Jesus to the items, that's when u know they have a problem. I don't know all the white garment churches, but there might be some that are still true to the faith. Ppl just tend to group them as one since the well known ones have some unchristian practices.

I saw this maxim in a book on the "christian cults":- In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; and in all things, charity.

I think this is necessary for all Christians. our backgrounds matter a lot in the way we live our christian lives. this usually leads to doctrinal differences, because different ppl tend to place different degrees of importance to different biblical issues. For example, someone raised in a family of native doctors who bcomes a christian may place more importance on casting out demons (since he knows a lot about demonic action) than someone who was raised in a relatively clean (spiritually) environment. As long as we're united (in deed and word) on the fundamental christian issues, we're one. We are not perfect humans and are bound to see things in different perspectives at times.

Let me give an example of how background affects the way we see different issues:- If you listen to several Nigerian and American preachers (or read their books) even though each group may talk about both qualities of God, there is a tendency for Nigerians to dwell on God being a jealous God, terrible, the danger of falling into His wrath etc. While the Americans would very likely dwell on His being a loving God, caring, never forgets His children etc. If you take a good look at our different societies, u would understand why. For one, our traditional African were very much feared, and they usually visited disobedience with punishment. even within our societies/families, children are expected to respect their elders almost to the point of be afraid of them. The American culture on the other hand, is very particular about relationships and broken relationships are very common there. Naturally, ppl who care so much about relationships want to know a God who can give them the love and care they desire.

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@gentlelaura, its not as if one is being judgemental. Take a cele guy now, i can't marry such person because, when we've 2 pray and he insists on using candles and incense, what do i do? Of course i wouldn't agree, and can 'two walk together except they agree?' thats a definite NO N0.

Capishe?

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I still dont understand why you shld judge ppl based on whatever religion they are praticising,

My sisters are big girls, yeah big girls, chaffeur driven n stuff, yet they have always been white garment church attendee. I dont see something wrong with that eh!

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As a christain i would choose neither, sorry to any cele in the house but i know and have seen first hand the practises in cele and it will make the hairs in the back of you neck stand on ends. I state it is not christainity at all, its a cover for more sinister and bordering on the occult of wicca in nature.

My feeling on churches are we know it,is it is very hard to find a true place of worship, alot are watered down,self serving, places of deceit. if you believe in God/jesus for me its a personal thing . The reason you have so many places given the name church or why there are so many diff denominations is because, ppl have not taken time to read that bible properly and worship the way God instructed. Its there , they just chose to skim over .Thats why they give you one verse of a chapter for instance ''God says he will bless you exceedingly'' you hear they screaming this one verse not bothering to look at what was said before the verse and after, its most likely God said ''if you obey all my commands'' then i will bless you.

cant really go into it people will have to research it themselves, put it this way cele worshippers come with too much baggage, so do a lot of people who say they are christains. A christain is not what your parents pass down to you, but a true follower of christ

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@ IAH, my sister, their ikore parties are always fun. They sing those good yourba songs mehn, and they can dance. The drum beaters are awesome!! And to top it all, they cook good food. My sistah, i go manage cele boy oo.

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Honestly, i would not marry any, no sentiments. People this is M A R R I A G E we are talking about. And before i would marry a guy, we just must be compatible in spiritual matters and da basic bible doctrines.

Av met a lotta muslims, have them as friends, but i can't venture into a lifetyme commitment! Thats a no no. No offence to da other folks pls.

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Some so called pentecostal chics are worse than the Devil, i think what mattres is the person inside and as long as shes ready to suscribe to some ground rules( like no sprinkling of some so called holy water around my house).

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@Mochafella

I had to ask. You know, a CD of their songs & prayers will prolly be playing at Starbucks or something.

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Is this based on Yoruba animism? I ask b/c, weren't Yoruba priests of yesteryear usually clothed in white robes? On another note, some of the black professors at my Uni had to, rather chose, to wear white clothes for a year so that they could complete the process to become "Priestesses". I only understood them to be following "Yoruba traditional" b/c I missed the Black Student Assc meeting where talked about it. But a group of my friends who went dismissed these profs as ridiculous nut cases. Later on another friend told me that the Professors actually some passionately about their quest from childhood -- literally w/ their parents -- to go back and find a "black religion" to escape from the "lies of the White man". It's important to note that these women professors came of age during the 60s & 70s. This friend also said that she thought bad review my the 1st group of girls were b/c the Profs inadvertently stereotyped Yoruba ppl and made it sound like it was "their" religion and that "they" 100% into it. They were embarrassed I guess. Anyhow, this White Garment Church is in yankee too. But I think it's seen & practiced more as one's personal politics.

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Thanks Hot-angel. I did some reading b/c I don't want to jump to any conclusions. Honestly, though it is usually compared to Pentecostalism it sounds like being Baptist w/ the speaking in tongues and laying down of hands. Not my cup of time -- and I've been to many Baptist churches living down here in the Bible belt -- but I wouldn't judge someone too harshly for it. I'd look at the way they lived their life and how they treated people before I reinforced or lifted my reservations. Like I said before, Baptists and Pentecostals do the same think w/ "healing" and "visions" and "GET THE BEHIND ME SATAN!". So many times as a kid when I my hair was being braided I had to watch "Jesus TV" and every other sentence this big bouffant blond haired lady w/ eyelashes down to her bosom would say "THE DEVIL IS A LIAR" in her proud-to-be-Texan twang. I had to bite myself -- almost through my lower lip -- to keep from laughing but the lady and all the other viewers were in earnest.

As for dating a WHITE GARMENT CHURCH man? I could do it. I could marry one. As long as he understood that that's not what I believed or what my children would believe. They could attend church events w/ him but it wouldn't be our primary or sole religious doctrine. I guess he's the one who wouldn't want to be w/ me in the end.

Random: I just goggled "White Garment Church" and lots of different documents came up. I read some. It seems these churches worry the Republic of Ireland. LOL.

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White garment churches:

1. Go shoeless (they worship without shoes).

2. Wear white robes [hence the term 'white garment']

3. Generally have some other 'rituals' -- like worshipping only close to water [eg at the beach]. An example would be the[b] Aladuras[/b].

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White garment churches.

Cherubiums and seraphuims? Or however it's spelled.

Celestial church of God. U know all those cele churches?

Some wear shoes, while others say no shoes, some wear v-neck gowns, while others wear round neck gowns, and others wear four corner (squared) neck gowns. Some use red belt, while others use yellow/blue belts.

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Can someone please define White Garment Church? Is it animism or Christianity? Also, I don't consider Mormons to be Christians. To me it's a cult, only slightly less scary than The Church of Scientology -- for them I cross the street.

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The issue here is doctrinal differences, not discrimination. The bible doesn't distinguish between non-believers. The bible advocates marrying someone who shares ur faith in God to avoid trouble in future. If you marry a muslim as a christian, either you or your spouse have to leave ur faith. If you both decide to remain in ur respective religions, when u have kids how do u raise them. For nominal muslims/christians, this may not matter much. But for those who are very much involved in their religion and want to worship their God with their families, inter-religious marriage cannot work.

To answer the question: I won't even consider any. I don't hate muslims or white garment ppl, but our doctrinal differences are so great that one religion would have to give way for another for there to be agreement. There are several christian groups with different doctrines. Where the doctrinal difference is very significant, I wouldnt marry. Not because I think they're bad or they're not christians, but because it would be difficult to find a meeting point. For example, Mormons or Jehova's Witnesses, who have their own way of life. Anyone marrying someone in either of these religions must be prepared to live that lifestyle.

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Could you make your response clearer please, I didn't get u ?

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Well, if I were Christian, I would shoot myself in shame. So, I won't actually get to the position of choosing between a Muslim or White Garment partner.

LOL! LOL! LOL!

Afeni, my man, please tell me -- you're some "alawada," jester or comic? But, for real, I'm enjoying you. Haba!

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*afeni n ajisafe, u g u y s are one hell of a pair!!*

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Well, if I were Christian, I would shoot myself in shame. So, I won't actually get to the position of choosing between a Muslim or White Garment partner.

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@beyunce1

what if she said she were going to a black garment church? would that make more difference?

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Whats is wrong with the white garment church Are they not christains?

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Birds of the same feather folk together, there is nothing to explain here

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