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Could The Modern World Work Solely On The Basis Of Biblical Laws?

How would the modern world, with all its cultural diversity and  zeal for growth and innovation, function if all we had as guiding principles were the rules, laws and injunctions from the bible?

How would you deal with issues such as the following?

1)  Infertility therapies that call for self-service, sperm/egg donation

2)  Therapies that call for organ transplant, blood donation

3)  Disputes between nations over natural resources

4)  Disputes in business

5)  The charging of interest on loans

6)  Deal with aggressive individuals or nations

etc, etc, etc.

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'surely, those who reject faith (disbelieve in Allah and Muhammad), neither their properties nor their offspring will avail them aught against Allah. They are the dwellers of the fire, therein they will abide'

Quran 3:116

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I'm not here to trade gutters with you - if that were the case, you're simply a smallfry.

My observations have nothing to do with whether or not I'm a Christian - pete's sake or not, what you ought to have focused on is discussing issues, not hyperventilating. The answers he gave were not quoted by me as the "best answers"; rather, I only opined that his answers may not have satisfied you. Consequently, I noted that the same things could be said about you or worse since you either chose to zip up and say nothing or else discovered in hindsight that you were just too challenged to score your zeros.

I didn't say anything was wrong with your personal opinion - and that was why I helped you to see that it was rather uninitelligent since someone could use the same rule of thumb and slice you seven ways as they choose.

My dear, it is not only the Bible that notes atheists as fools; in the course of my visiting Nairaland I remember another self-acclaimed atheist (buda atum) has taken a well-deserved swipe on folks like you. However, this thread is not about who's a fool or not - it was rather about what was the SOLE basis of the outworkings of the modern world. Did you miss that? That would be sad indeed.

However, it is not only atheists that are directly addressed as fools in the Bible - others have been described with similar qualifiers. For example,

** slanderers and liars are also fools - Proverbs 10:18

** mischievous fellows are also fools - Proverbs 10:23

** those who despise their fathers are also fools - Proverbs 15:5

** those who have no inclination to understanding are also fools - Proverbs 18:2

** contentious people are also fools - Proverbs 18:6

      (you would have to wonder that people who are too quickly contentious

      begin to wonder why their arguments are foolish)

** he that is perverse in his lips is also a fool - Proverbs 19:1

** those who must meddle and never cease from strife are fools - Proverbs 20:3

** He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool - Proverbs 28:26

The cap on all these is that fools are not painted by the religion they claim but by their outlooks and attitudes in relating with other people. Yes, whether one "claims" to be an atheist or a theist makes no difference if they qualify their lifestyles by any of the qualifiers above - and more that have not been mentioned.

Everytime people quip that 'your book calls atheists fools', I wait until they qualify themselves by all the other qualifiers to prove the point - because a fool is not simply a non-religious person but includes religious folks who cannot be reasonable in their attitudes. This is why I noted that my premise here on Nairaland is not to trade gutters with you or anyone else; and if the cap fits, you're welcome to be my entertaining guest.

My religion does not consider you a fool. . unless you actually try to convince me so, regardless my religion or anyone else's. That atheism should justify why you see Christians as deluded says a lot about how rational a person you have tried to demonstrate. But there again, not all atheists act the way you do.

I do what?

Did I opine that huxley denied me anything? Or have you missed where I have carefully stated my concerns? Are you actually reasoning things through?

And what credit has that done for you?

Thank you. Go find yours.

And who has stated that "rule" - or was that a knee jerk you quickly fantacised in hindsight?

What rules? You're simply boring.

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Firstly I repeat, he answered NO questions! To you he's given the best answers and why not, you're christian for petes sake. But to the rest of us absolute hogwash it is.

Secondly what is wrong with my view if I consider christians to be "dogmatic" or "brainwashed"? Aint it my personal opinion of which am legally allowed to express?

Your bible (core of your faith) calls atheists FOOLS, so did jesus to the pharisees, yet we don't see you harping on about how immoral the bible is. Your religion considers me a fool what stops me from equally regarding christians as deluded based on what I think or do I have to write it in some book and back date it 2000 years in order to make it permissible?. . . . This people and their hypocrisy sef!

Yea, you do that.

By all means state your concerns or has huxley expressly denied you that right?

Good for you!

Err, asking disconcerting questions like "how have you tried to help out modernity by your overheated reaction" is purely against the rules of derailment.

If you're hell bent on maintaining this self-righteous charade I suggest you get aquainted with the rules.

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I don't think you're correct to say that he (ie, Tonye-t) answered no questions. He offered some answers, even though you may not have been satisfied with them. That said, your reaction was unjustified, for his answers (or answers from anyone else) were not sufficient for you to directly slice him personally as 'brainwashed', 'dogmatic' or 'ridiculous'. Someone else may also sling mud and call you worse than those for the same reasons as that you DID NOT answer any questions yourself!

I'll be patient - and grateful when he does.

I recognize that from the replies of others - and I already explained that in context I may agree. If the key words are "applicable" and "relevant", the answer is a resounding yes - and I gave some examples for you to see my context. Where I'm not so sure I opined that my answer (note, 'my answer', not everyone's answer) may be a No - and I also gave some examples in context. It all depends on what you view to be EVERY problem associated with 'modernity'. And yet, how is it that atheists would direct questions at others and not provide answers for their own musings? What use is it to you personally that the question should be directed at Christians while at the same time not saying anything of substance to the concerns that those Christians bear out? I'm just wondering.

I already acknowledged my ignorance thereto, which is no bad thing. Asking questions for clarification does not lead to one's grave - it helps put things in context and promote a good discourse. How does that trouble you?

First, I'm not self-righteous. Second, that is a very unintelligent remark. Third, whose rules have I gone against in asking questions for clarification and then acknowledging that I did not know who and who were making some statements? Your desperation is truly miserable, for false assumptions and misreading people say nothing to your credit.

Now, when you're done mislabelling people with your vacuous reactions, can we see some sensible posts from you? If not, my respects.

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I'm tempted but I'll refrain and allow the OP (huxley) address your concerns as to the topic.

But i'll have you know christians severally on this forum have prescribed the bible as applicable in all spheres of life and relevant in this modern world. . Infact they've flat out declared it the solution to EVERY problem.

So yes, there's a backdrop to this thread, if out of ignorance you're " wondering if anyone has posited that any SINGULAR basis is adequate for the outworkings of the modern world", the fault is yours and not ours,

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Lol, being 'right' (or 'wrong') is relative. But why do Nairalanders have this thingy about 'double ID'? Just today alone someone asked me a similar question. But there goes.

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I may agree in part with many people from their various contexts - depending on what "problem" you're looking at. I've tried to reason out a few above; but again I wonder see that I was completely lost in assuming that anyone has ever tried to postulate that the Bible is the SOLE basis for the outworkings of the modern world.

I asked that question initially because I was hoping to see some people come forward and put that theory forward. Okay, first off, I must say that I'm a Christian - and even at that, my views are my own, and I cannot speak for any other Christian or believer (whatever they may believe). My personal views do not adequately establish anything for anyone - which is why I often likie to ask some questions and stay with the discussion side of things.

Ask me straight out: 'Could The Modern World Work Solely On The Basis Of Biblical Laws'?

My answer: Yes and No.

That could raise some dust, but let me explain.

Yes, in context that "modernity" has various perspectives of discussions. Ask yourself (as I would ask myself): what is modernity - and the answers would be worlds apart. If I take a certain context as my working premise and look at the problems of modernity on the individual level (such as disputes in businesses), I would posit that the Biblical "laws" stand resolutely as a YES to these problems.

But if I look at your context (perhaps "fertility treatment, blood/organ donations", etc), I may grant you an answer of No. Why? Simple: because the Bible was not given to arbitrate on such matters to make modernity to function on such indices. I could also argue again that that idea is weak because fertility treatment, etc do not address disputes in businesses. Where do we go from there?

Again, I'm looking at context, not arguemements that are not useful - especially with outbursts of who is 'brainwashed' , 'dogmatic' or 'ridiculous'.

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Vairo you are right, but i wont stress again,else he cries foul of posing double id as its his testimony. and claims i am you and you are me . . .mr intelligent atheist indeed!

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I felt like asking that same question directly at you: what really is wrong with people like you?

You tried to slice the previous poster carelessly while at the very same time not having addressed the basic issue or question. There are issues, and numerous questions. Some have given their own opnions without thinking anyone to be either 'brainwashed' or 'dogmatic'. For my own part, I wonder if anyone has posited that any SINGULAR basis is adequate for the outworkings of the modern world (not to mention that nobody has addressed what modernity actually is!). Such issues as 'fertility treatment, blood/organ donations and the likes' do not address the basic question of whether they are adequate as the SOLE basis for the outworking of the modern world. On the other hand, there are qualities in modernity that such fertility, blah blah do not even address at all, and one can choose their poison on such abstraction.

Even going further, how does mastubation provide the basis of the outworkings of the modern world? Or even disputes between nations over natural resources, or deal with aggressive individuals or nations? Which one SOLE basis could you postulate for the outworkings of the modern world? And how far reaching has that SOLE basis worked out modernity?

I remember in another thread by pastorAIO that forced me to register - the personal insults are rife on Nairaland. How have you tried to work out modernity by your overheated reactions? When could we find people keeping a good head when discussing issues?

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How have you answered the question? The issue is how would you/the world cope if we abide strictly by biblical injunctions on issues such as fertility treatment, blood/organ donations and the likes, all you could do is rant ridiculously about "the word of god has been proven true by science, bla bla". . .what is wrong with you?

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@Poster,

Huxley my friend,

What you dont know is that God's word is static in itself yet dynamic in its application.

The bible itself poses two solutions to every single life's instance. but one endures eternally.

Great philisophers have at one time or the other come with the mind blowing ideas but in the end they fizzle out, but God's word remains the same and when applied provides solution to every life's questions.

Yea, masturbations and their likes may give solutions but guess what they are but temporary because they all look like "PERFECT THINGS" but from an "IMPERFECT BEING" which you know what will be the outcome

God's word has been proven and found true even by all (that included atheists, philisophers, humanist, animalist, and so on)

" there is a way that seems right to man [outside God's way] but in the end therein is destruction" - Proverbs.16:25, 14:12

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I don't think the Modern World could work solely on Biblical laws or any other religious law alone. Religion has its characteristic to be static as against a very dynamic and ever changing world.

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