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Creation Or Re-creation. What's Your View?

some believe that the Biblical line, " In the beginning God created heaven and earth. And the earth was without "form' and 'void', Gen1 vs 1-2. was a CREATION ,others believe that it was a RE-CREATION. what's your own view?

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Oya start talking the theological senses. You can blow and even overblow your trumpet. It is allowed.

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@ last poster

a nice contribution. all reasonable diversions are welcome. we are all here 2 learn more, mr know ALL is not welcome.

@ cgift

you seems 2 b too proud. try 2 b kool n precise.

my guy, all reactions are welcome.

you ask me knowing anything about THEOLOGY. i think i need 2 sit u down and talk some theological senses in2 you brain cos me get lots of stuffs on that. but dat is not d issue. no one is blowing his trumpet here.

bros you need 2 learn more.

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Yes.

No. The question is not only a strawman, it's irrelevant.

First, no, my proposition wasn't unfounded: it was based on the acknowledgment of the existence of theistic evolutionists and their views. Also, although I'm not here, I'm there. However, that has little bearing on being able to appropriate the views of different groups of people.

Second, I don't believe there are any deities, so asking about the attributes of any deity becomes moot.

Finally, I was very clearly pointing out the error in what you stated: "Only a fraud will advocate CREATION and also EVOLUTION." That opinion is not only dangerusly wrong, it highlights a strange kind of ignorance. In any case, like I mentioned, many theistic evolutionists, including thos of the Christian variety, believe that evolution was the chosen method for their deity's creation of species. Many of them arrive at that belief through different paths, but the more egenral idea I've encountered is that since the evidence strongly favours evolution, and their god wouldn't be inclined to deception, then it follows that evolution was the method used. That, of course, is clearly just a very brief summary, but it should give you a basic idea of some aspect of the belief.

No, evolution hasn't stopped. Humans will evolve into human like creatures. Several lines of evidence exist for the theory of evolution. These include, on the genetic side: related species sharing endogenous retroviral insertions, and in humans, the presence of the fused chromosome number two; on a a mor macroscopic level: instances of observed speciation and fossilised transitionals. I don't believe any deities were involved. To keep with the theme of the thread though, Christians that believe God is/was responsible for it all, believe, he started the process and is letting it run its course. This is different from Intelligent Designers who believe that God keeps tinkering every so often.

It's decades, not centuries. The scope of abiogenesis is relatively new.

Cells are not simple. No organism currently living is simple.

First, like I mentioned previously, abiogenesis and evolution are two separate concepts. The current conception of the theory of evolution is unlikely to be falsified by any lack of findings by scientists studying abiogenesis.

Secondly, I suspect that you haven't stopped to appreciate the difficulties faced by anyone attempting reproduce life by mimicking what the early Earth must have been like. Remember, the challenge is not just to create cells, but to follow very specific steps to trace what may have happened. I should point out by the way, that you are wrong, Sidney Fox's protocells are a good example of cells being fashioned naturally. However, like I said, that really isn't the challenge.

Finally, yes, the hypotheses within abiogenesis are hypothetical. That, however, doesn't mean they don't follow the scientific method. That is to say, it's not necessarily about lack of evidence, but also about falsifiability. Hypothesis and theory in science tend to differ significantly from the more colloquial understanding of the words.

I don't have to do anything.

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@ cgift

d issue is not evolution , it is creation or re-creation. i say some are trying 2 integrate evolution and you are lookin it 4rm theology which u only have few knowledge about.

u dont need 2 shift 4rm d topic, b kool bros.

u need 2 learn more

stay tuned

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This is ridiculous! Was that directed at you in the first instance? You probably could not even comprehend my submission - little wonder your contribution is so watery. You wanted to know people's view of the account of creation or recreation and later came up to smuggle in evolution, my own belief is hinged upon creation and that's why I am all out to debate against evolution. If you are game on the evolution theory then be my guest, otherwise just watch by the sidelines.

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@ cgift , you sound having few knowledge about Theology.

you got 2 learn more.

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This guy is just , arrrghhhh! Do you know what theology means at all? I rest my case with you.

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Ok. The reason why this proposition is unfounded is that you are neither here or there. You talk of some deity? Do you know him? What are his attributes? How do you relate with him? How are you even sure he created or "chose evolution" as the process? You then go ahead to advocate evolution: My question is this: has evolution stopped? What are humans going to evolve to in i don't know how long a time? Do you have answers to these? What trends have been seen or what proofs have you that evolution continues or has the "deity" in question stopped evolution from continuing?

You only being presumptious here. For decades and centuries, they have not being able to explain how the first cells came about? Even the simplest of cells like the Mycoplasma Genitalium among others, have not been able to be unravelled. Now tell me, if evolution or phylogenesis advocates sequences that culminated in the basic fundamentals of all living beings i.e., the cells, why is it that they have not been able to create a cell even with abiogenesis? By my understanding, abiogenesis means A hypothetical organic phenomenon by which living organisms are created from nonliving matter - i hope you saw that in red? Hypothesis! That is what it remains - and I think that means soomething that is based primarily on surmise rather than adequate evidence.

My friend, you need to do some more work in convincing me that evolution is real.

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Neither.

That's drunk talk. Many theistic evolutionists, particularly the Christian ones, do believe that evolution was chosen as the method of creation by some deity or the other. The idea is basically similar to the concept of the rainbow. That is, yes a literalist Christian could believe that a rainbow is a sign of God's promise to Noah, but that doesn't preclude the rainbow from being refracted light. A theist can thus claim, just like in the case of creation through evolution, that refraction of light was God's way of bringing about something "miraculous".

Um, I don't think you understand evolution very much. Cells within a population do evolve. That much is verifiable. If, however, what you did intend to ask was simply "why scientists haven't be able to create cells?" then abiogenesis is down the hall. While the eventual findings on abiogenesis may influence naturalism, it doesn't aversly affect the theory of evolution as it currently stands.

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Jagunlabi,

Only a fraud will advocate CREATION and also EVOLUTION. Where do you stand. If the former, then what books/guide do you have from him detailing whom he is and what hedoes? If the latter, can you tell me why evolutionists (seeking scietific solutions) have not been able to create a single cell with the scietists agreeing that it is impossible for the cell (even the simplest of them like the Mycoplasma Genitallium) to evolve.

Get your facts right and dont come out confused.

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There are no conflicts here.Evolution is just the tool used by the creator to create this world.

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@ poster

some believe that d lines is mainly a re- creation of what had been destroyed some believe it is creation while others are even trying 2 integrate evolution in d matter.

i think there's more 2 learn,

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RE-CREATION.

It is a neverending cycle of creations-destruction-recreation that has been going on for billions of years(sorry,that is not in the bible).This present creation will also be replaced by a newer one in the future.

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@kingsikaz,

I'm persuaded that Genesis 1 v 1 declares the creation; while verse 2 highlights another epoch.

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