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Did Adam And Eve Exist?

I remember in Secondary School I had a nun teaching me Religion. She asked the class 'Do you think Adam and Eve are real or just a story'? She said it was just a story. What do you all think? This came from a convent sister who literally dedicates her life to Christ.  I am Catholic by the way.I am confused. I hear  pastors' from other churches say its a true story yet the nun said it was one of many stories that are in the bible!

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There are two major worldviews, is it now three?  The creation, evolution and theistic evolution worldviews.  You are free to choose the fallible opinions of men over God's historical account, recorded in the book of Genesis in the Bible.  I for one have chosen to believe the account of the One who was actually there at the beginning when it all happened instead of the conjectures and assumptions of some deluded creeps.

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No. What happens is that they start parroting illogical, incomprehensible bullshit and ignore anything that contrasts with their outdated, ignorant and peurile view of scripture.

Remind you of anyone?

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This is what happens to those have rejected the truth and have embraced a lie.

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The Adam and Eve story is an analogy. Nothing more.

Even the Bible itself is totally contradictory on the subject of the first man and woman:

1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

But hang on:

2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

There is a school of thought that Eve was not Adam's first wife. The woman mentioned in 1:27 was the first woman.

They call her Lilith.

http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/articleview.asp?Post=177#sumerian

Either way, if even the Bible is inconsistent, how can one fanatically claim that Adam and Eve were the first people?

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The story is nothing other than an allegorical myth.The entire christian faith is based on "literalised" myth.

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Watch a former Evolution scientist sharing his testimony on how the Lord opened his eyes to the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ showing now on a live broadcast on Genesis TV channel Sky 585, 592 or online if you can:

http://www.revelationtv.com/watchgen.php

http://www.revelationtv.com/watchrev.php

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sure, they did,

u just need to

believe by faith

and not by sight.

Understanding the Bible

is not just an intellectual thing

u have to be God inclined

with the manifestation of

the holy spirit.

if u aint strong enough in your faith,

an atheist can easily convince u

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@ OLAADEGBU : i have watched carefully as you have taken time to speak ill abt Catholics, What exactly is your problem? Did a catholic priest molest u as a child?

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there many things that cannot be fully understood. the secret things are left to God if you believe God exist. Don't let anyone deceive into being an aeist which is worst of.

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genetic research kills the drivel of adam and eve very nicely. so they have every reason to see the story either as a myth, fable or an allegory.

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I wonder how "slave" came in, too. But isn't somebody a slave; servant? The good leader serves (Servant/slave) those whom he leads.

Jesus was even a servant/slave of his community.

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OP is trying to castigate catholics. No nun will tell him or her such a thing because it's a blatant lie. How easy people get conned by gists on nairaland.

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Ask ~Lady~, who is a nun to be, she will confirm to you that the RCC sees the creation account of Genesis as a fable, myth or an allegory.

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for the first time in a very long time i have read through every body responce to this thread!

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The bible can not and will not be a book written or inspired by God. if it were so then the book would have been written in all languages of the universe, not even this world(earth) and it would have been understood at a glance, without someperson's interpreting for another.

for truth sake God is universal, omni present, even when moses wrote account of Him. He did not originate along in Israel or was know onto Israel alone. He was know exactly at the time man had the consciousness of HIM, and not to a sect alone. The bible tells a story of a particular set of people here on earth, the Israelite's, a fork story, how they came into being, their culture and so on. Is like, when a yorubaman tells you that oduduwa climbed down from the sky to establish the Yoruba race, and so on. if you could believe that of the Israelite or the Jews, then you should also believe that of the Yoruba

The Romans where the one's that picked on the Christan's and propagated the story to the world, that's why today you see the Christian headquarters in Rome. As it were, if they had pick on any other religion at that era, it would have been the establish religion in the world today. Why did Romans picked on the Christan faith, was base on political reason, and it was done by emperor constantine.

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The bible can not and will not be a book written or inspired by God. if it were so then the book would have been written in all languages of the universe, not even this world(earth) and it would have been understood at a glance, without someperson's interpreting for another.

for truth sake God is universal, omni present, even when moses wrote account of Him. He did not originate along in Israel or was know onto Israel alone. He was know exactly at the time man had the consciousness of HIM, and not to a sect alone. The bible tells a story of a particular set of people here on earth, the Israelite's, a fork story, how they came into being, their culture and so on. Is like, when a yorubaman tells you that oduduwa climbed down from the sky to establish the Yoruba race, and so on. if you could believe that of the Israelite or the Jews, then you should also believe that of the Yoruba

The Romans where the one's that picked on the Christan's and propagated the story to the world, that's why today you see the Christian headquarters in Rome. As it were, if they had pick on any other religion at that era, it would have been the establish religion in the world today. Why did Romans picked on the Christan faith, was base on political reason, and it was done by emperor constantine.

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@sara j,

Have you managed to complete the assignment I gave you on the dinosaurs? 

Since you are from Ireland click on the website of a former Roman Catholic priest from Ireland and see what he has to say about the RCC and how he had an encounter with the Lord Jesus Christ.  He said in an interview I watched last night that the standpoint of the RCC, which is theistic evolutionism is more deadly than evolutionism itself.

His name is Richard Bennett and you can read his testimony on his website: www.bereanbeacon.org

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wow,i came across so many rational reasonings why Biblical truths should be seen as fables and wat have you.but that goes to prove a point that the things of God are foolishness to the wise of this world.

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Spikedcylinder are you an atheist?

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The Earth Is Slowing Down

Because of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, the Earth is slowing down.  In fact the whole Universe is slowing down.  The Earth is spinning at approximately 1000 miles per hour at the equator, but it is slowing down.  The Earth is slowing down at a rate of 1/1000 second per day.

Regular clocks use days as a measure, which are growing longer by a thousandth of a second or more daily as Earth's rotation slows down.

According to Astronomy Magazine, June 1992, p 24, "The Earth's Rotation is slowing down. To compensate for this lagging motion, June will be one second longer than normal. This 'Leap Second' announced by the International Earth Rotation Service in February, will keep calendar time in close alignment with international time."

Addition of Leap Seconds

To allow for the slowing of the Earth, leap seconds are added to the international cosmic clocks every 18 months. The following are the past Leap Seconds recorded by the International Earth Rotation Service:

Jan. 1973

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Leap seconds are added approximately every 18 months.

If the Earth is only 6,000 years old, as the Bible says, there is no problem:

In the time of Adam the Earth was spinning slightly faster.

The 24 hour day would have elapsed slightly faster, but the difference would not be noticeable.

This may explain why the Babylonians had a 360 day year, instead of our current 365 day year.

If the Earth is billions of years old, as the Evolutionists claim, this would pose enormous problems.

The Earth would have been spinning much faster.

The 24 hour days would have been compressed into a few seconds only.

The Centrifugal Force would be a major problem.

Centrifugal force is that force that tends to maintain the direction of a moving object in the direction of its current movement.

If the Earth was billions of years old the Centrifugal force would be so high that everything and everyone would actually fly into space!

The winds would have been 5,000 miles per hour, due to the Coriolis Effect.

If the dinosaurs lived 200 million years ago they would have been blown away from the Earth!

http://www.finalfrontier.org.uk/index.php?main=3&sub=1&page=21

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Here are evidences that further supports the biblical account of a young earth.

Population Studies Indicate A Young Planet Earth

According to the Star Tribune Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, July 24, 1999, "Last weekend the world's population topped 6 billion".

In 1985 there were 5 billion people in the world.

In the year 1800 there were only 1 billion people in the whole world.

In the year 3 BC a Roman Census at the time of the Birth of Jesus Christ indicated that the population of the world was 250 million.

All text books teach that, and the world's population is growing rapidly.

Illustration from Merrill Earth Science 1993, p.503

(Check the link below for the graph or chart of the population growth of modern humans)

Year World Population

   

2000 6 Billion

1985 5 Billion

1800 1 Billion

3BC 250 Million

The Bible teaches that:

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[li]6,000 years ago God created the Universe.[/li]

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[li]4,400 years ago there was a Flood which destroyed everyone except for 8 people. [/li]

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[li]The current population curve started 4,400 years ago. [/li]

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Current growth curve based on Biblical time scales

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[li]If you start with 8 people 4,400 years ago, after Noah's Flood, a population of 6 Billion people over 4,400 years is perfectly reasonable. [/li]

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Current growth curve based on Evolutionary Theory

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[li]Evolutionists believe that the Earth is billions of years old, and that Human Life evolved millions of years ago. [/li]

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[li]If Human Life started 3 million years ago, we would now have a world population of 150,000 people per square inch, and that is incredibly crowded! [/li]

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[li]The population growth curve clearly demonstrates that Human Life did not start[b] 3 million [/b] years ago. [/li]

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http://www.finalfrontier.org.uk/index.php?main=3&sub=1&page=22

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Writers in that time(middleages) before there was a clear divide between fiction/ non-fiction, and before there were people vetting your work tended to embellish a lot.  In many cultures, particularly with an oral storytelling tradition, it was the embellishments that allowed a story to survive (because they were repeated and memorised over and over).  There's also the tendency (you see this today watching the news) for the person writing to favour his side (so when I watch the sports report on TV, and the Nigerian team have beaten the Cameronian team, the people on the Nigerian news emphasise how large and humiliating the defeat was.  On Cameronian TV they will report tha the defeat was very close, and perhaps due to something like poor umpiring or the weather or bad luck.  Have you seen something like that, though perhaps not with football).  These things are only accentuated when a claim of the divine comes in- because more people have got more to prove.  And also remember that for most of our ancient sources, we rely on medieval (Christian) scholars for their survival- in some cases, the earliest copies we have are from the Dark Ages (I'm not thinking specifically of the Bible, but ancient texts).  Medieval scholars weren't above a bit of embellishment themselves, as has been proven in some secular cases when looking at ancient history.

That doesn't tell you what did or didn't happen, but it may give you some idea as to why these texts aren't particularly reliable at all.

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This is what Fax-Timer wrote earlier: This is not much and a long talk, As for this words you all are talking about; i have a question.

Have you ever in your life SEEN GOD?

Do you ever know if really GOD was GOD either if all the things in the Bible were real.

As for me i can tell you that take your time and as him to show him self to you but if he doesn't then For get it , Its all friction , or movie"smile".

But i will like to Fax-Timer a Questions:

Have you ever seen your Brain?

I guess no. Which means You don't have a brain.

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This is very true, its also one of the reason i dislike debating theist. They use the world belief to ignore glaring evidence that go against what is written in their various religious text.

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Are you kidding me? If you want to believe what is in the bible go ahead and believe, stop using science to validate what is inside the bible because science does not agree with most of the things that are in the bible. Creation scientist are mostly scientist that are confused becase they really do not like science. They are forever looking for excuses and making up false thoeries to back up mostof what is written in the bible, they find science a little bit discomforting because of how it completely rubbishes almost all of the biblical assertions. Believe in the bible if you want to but stop using science to validate it because science does not agree with the bible.

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The story of Adam and Eve is definitely a mythological one. If you read about a lot of other ancient cultures you are bound to come across all sorts of stories about the creation of earth and man. Think about it, if a Sango worshipper told you a similar story about man's creation how long will it take you to discard it. Science gives us some glimpses of how things may have been in the beginning, but truth told no one actually knows the full story.

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A very interesting thread indeed.

You seemed to be really confused my sis. Do you believe that dinosaurs really exists in those years? Is it not some scientists who found some bones and remains of some whatever creature and did some calculations based on the dating theories and half life formulas to estimate years?

If you believe in some things done by using formulas and scientific models, why can't you believe in sciptures?

Don't you know that scriptures are written by people inspired by God?

Adam and Eve 's existance is real and not a metaphor.

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It is one thing to believe in God and another to believe in Evolution.  Evolution is not science it is a belief system as it has to be received by faith, in fact blind faith.  You need more faith to believe in Evolution, which is a materialistic ideology that does not believe in the existence of God but that everything is as a result of nature and chance or random.  To believe in God you will have to believe in God's account of creation as recorded in the book of Genesis, there are no two ways about it.

Can you show me one proof of an ape evolving into an human being?  That is, an ape-like creature in the process of evolving into a human being?  Where are the supposed millions of evidences of transitional fossils?  Have you personally seen this transition taking place?  If not, why has it stopped? Have they stopped evolving? And if they are not, what are they evolving into, UFOs?

Nobody is saying that God created the universe and earth and all it's creatures in 7 days.  What the Bible says is that He created all things within just 6 (24 hour) days!  I don't know where you got your 7 days from.  And sincerely, I don't know why it took the Almighty God that long anyway, if He wanted He could have done it within 6 seconds!!

I will give you this assignment, go and read Genesis 1:24-25 and Job 40:15-24 and give us your feedback as to when they were created and whether they were observed by men as recorded in the Bible.

And for all who are sincerely interested in finding out the truth about dinosaurs in the Bible, check the link below to learn more about it.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/what-happened-to-the-dinosaurs

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Adam and Eve ?

I heard they ate the furbiden fruit, it that true?

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The Bible is just a great story

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In that picture, the man holding the scroll, is that the Christian God? He has nice cheek bones.

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@ poster,

I will advise you to go back to history of RCC and u'll realize they are not Christians (Act 11:26; X-tians are those u believe what Christ believe and leave like him).

This so-called church has killed many x-tians and even burn many alive just because they preached Christ. The RCC of old made it a sin punishable by death if anybody was caught reading the Bible. Should they be the one to teach us about the sword of the spirit?

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The story of Adam and Eve in the catholic doctrine is a dogma.Dogma are facts promulgated by the church that shouldn't be argued.FACT.So the Nuns opinion is a private one.However that story is a folklore to really show the advent of man into this world.The fact is that God created our first parents,whatever he called them.but the story was to really give us a picture of what actually happened not a direct report of their activities after all nobody was there when God was dealing with this people.This is independent also.

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Quote from: sara j on Yesterday at 06:28:24 AM

I remember in Secondary School I had a nun teaching me Religion. She asked the class 'Do you think Adam and Eve are real or just a story'? She said it was just a story. What do you all think? This came from a convent sister who literally dedicates her life to Christ. I am Catholic by the way.I am confused. I hear pastors' from other churches say its a true story yet the nun said it was one of many stories that are in the bible!

Come to think of it actually, the Sister also taught Biology at school, not me though. I had a different Biology teacher. Thats the thing about the RC clergy, they have an open mind. They believe in God but they also believe in Science and evolution. Afterall is there not proof that we all originated from apes and are what we are today because of evolution and we are still advancing. I think that stories like Adam and Eve are not meant to be taking literally, technically. I believe it is actually a metaphor for how the Earth, Man and Woman formed and how man became sinful by being tempted by the devil. Don't get me wrong I really believe God created Earth and all it's creatures' but he did not create it in 7 Days literally and there is plenty of evidence there to back that point up. By the way there is no mention of dinosaurs in the bible. Did they not exist billions of years before us on the same planet we live on right now? And birds were actually around with the dinosaurs so they were definently there before us. [left][/left]

Sara j, why are you confused if you know about the church position on evolution? This is how some catholics ridicule the church when they should seek answers to questions about their faith from the right sources.  Are you sure you understood what the Sister said then the way you understand it now? Can you gauge if you understand english the way you do now as then?  Remember, the book of Genesis or part of it was written in the form of a myth. Myth does not necessarily mean that what it was used to describe is false but to narrate an event which occured not exactly the way it did in a simple form.  Let us concentrate in carrying out the commandment of Jesus Christ our saviour - Love of God and our neighbour.  This will benefit us more rather than breaking our heads over the existence of Adam and Eve.

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Adam and Eve are real.

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Come to think of it actually, the Sister also taught Biology at school, not me though. I had a different Biology teacher. Thats the thing about the RC clergy, they have an open mind. They believe in God but they also believe in Science and evolution. Afterall is there not proof that we all originated from apes and are what we are today because of evolution and we are still advancing. I think that stories like Adam and Eve are not meant to be taking literally, technically. I believe it is actually a metaphor for how the Earth, Man and Woman formed and how man became sinful by being tempted by the devil. Don't get me wrong I really believe God created Earth and all it's creatures' but he did not create it in 7 Days literally and there is plenty of evidence there to back that point up. By the way there is no mention of dinosaurs in the bible. Did they not exist billions of years before us on the same planet we live on right now? And birds were actually around with the dinosaurs so they were definently there before us.

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If we exist, den adam n eve did

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@ austin

Based on your response am I fair in concluding that you do not believe the biblical account of Adam and Eve? It seems you have a lot of questions that need clarification, correct?

Well, let us talk. I don't have all the answers but I am willing to reason with you if you don't mind.

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Adam and Eve existed and not some metaphor or some unrealistic stories. Don't be confused!

Shine your eyes yo,

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The Christian mythologists, after having confined Satan in a pit, were obliged to let him out again to

bring on the sequel of the fable. He is then introduced into the garden of Eden in the shape of a

snake, or a serpent, and in that shape he enters into familiar conversation with Eve, who is no ways

surprised to hear a snake talk; and the issue of this tete-a-tate is, that he persuades her to eat an apple,

and the eating of that apple damns all mankind.

we are told, the bible is the word of God. It is, therefore, proper for us to know who told us so, so that we may know what credit to give to the report. The answer to this question is, that nobody can tell, except that we tell one another so.

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Bell32 you have hit the nail right on its head. Not every organization that claims to uphold biblical teachings actually fulfill such claims, and the sad thing is that there are millions of professed Christians who are kept in darkness and are not even aware of it.

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Remember what the bible says in the book of Revelation 22 vs 19

"and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book".

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The existence of Adam and Eve is based on a book written by another human "Moses", therefore people who are academically inclined will tend to raise questions once in a while. But as a christian, what I do understand is that all scriptures are inspired by God.

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The bible is just a great book,art,poetry,literature,psychology,name it,written in the ignorance of its time but still reflect the day to day life of the present man,life of uncertainty,fear,hopelessness,quest,oppression,greed,ignorance and vanity.

We can never crack the secret of life,if we do,life will cease to exist.

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This is the reason why I think the RCC got almost all their doctrines wrong because if you get the beginning wrong you will get the rest of what you believe wrong.

This is what Jesus Christ said:

"But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female." - Mark 10:6. 

From this passage, we see that Jesus clearly taught about the existence of Adam and Eve from the beginning and not billions of years after the earth and universe came into existence as the RCC believes.  See the website below for more details.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/did-jesus-say-he-created-in-six-days

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Jesus said it all :"Through one man - sin came". The man there was Adam.

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These lists are meant to identify possible problems in the Bible, especially problems

which are inherent in a literalist or fundamentalist interpretation.

You will agree that there are too many parts in the Bible which are unspiritual in the

extreme. God is made out to be a cursing God of vengeance, of hatred, of war.

For example,

GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.

GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.

GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.

GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.

GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.

GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.

GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.

GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction.

LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth

a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)

GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.

GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.

(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience.)

GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah)

much earlier than the time of Moses.

EX 6:2-3 God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian

Bondage, during the life of Moses.

GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.

GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.

GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.

HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil.

GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.

2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.

GE 4:9 God asks Cain where his brother Able is.

PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden

from his view.

GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.

EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.

EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.

LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is

(sometimes) murder and killing.

NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is

angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.

2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; , he heard my voice; , The earth trembled and quaked,

, because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth,

burning coals blazed out of it."

EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his

enemies. ", who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and

rocks are thrown down by him."

When God is angry 'smoke and fire' comes out of his body. Ps 18:7-8

These are just but a fraction of the absurdities and primitive, bizarre directions and

reflections to be found in the Bible which evangelists claim is 'the word of God!'

I state that the Bible may be highly religious but not spiritual

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I'll vote for Jesus against a nun and a billion atheists.Jesus spoke like adam and eve existed.The apostles also spoke the same way

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Well i dont blame u for that coz all knows at that age we had a lot of truth and lies being told by our teachers which we lacked the confidence to ask questions, I believe as a catholic Nun the other word we have for Bible is "the word of God" so i dont know how his word can be made up of truth and fictions, If that should be the case we then ask her how we can differentiate between the real stories and fictions in the bible, Or maybe she she gave u guyz her cretarial that made her believe  the story of Adam and Eve was a fiction and not a true story,

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