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Did God Create Hell?

This is partly in answer to Seuns questions about God.

Very good questions. I offer an answer to the issue of God and Hell based on my own opinion, observations and what I understand from the bible which is my scripture of choice. I will also refer to other writings, myths and legends as I see fit. This is just my opinion which might be bull****, so u are free to disagree

Firstly I have not come across anything in the bible that explicitly says that God created hell for humans or that he throws people into it for punishment of their sins or that the devil and his demons are the wardens of this subterranean place of torture.  We can say he created it from the point of veiw that HE created all things and the devil does not have the power to create. All the false ideashave been invented over the years by various religious groups (including the religion called Christianity nowadays) to scare people away from sin.

Let us go to the beginning, when Adam sinned God did not at anytime mention him being thrown into hell. The initial warning was that he would[b] DIE[/b]. But when the deed was done he did not “die” in the expected sense but we were told that one of his first actions was to hide from the presence of God. This is the crux of the matter. The “death” was one of being cut off from the source that gave him life,that breathed into him[b] (Gen 2:7[/b]). His body died some 900 years later but the death was already implanted in his nature, his genetic code.

When the body died, the life of God, (that Adam had corrupted through his own choice) or what we can call his spirit, was released from his body. Here is the dilemma; he could not operate in this world , this physical realm, anymore, (because you need a body to do that) and he could not go back to the “father of Spirits” (Heb 12: 9) because he had made a conscious choice against him . Thus the only way to go for him was DOWN. Remember that the bible says that Adam was not deceived but Eve was, so he was not an innocent that was hoodwinked. He made a choice of his FREE WILL. And that is the basis of the whole existence of man and the universe, FREE WILL (but that is another topic for another day).

The state of trauma that the spirit of Adam (which is really the essence of Adam) was in is the condition of darkness,and desolation that can be interpreted DEATH leads to the descent into HELL. [/b]Remember that another set of spirit beings had earlier turned their backs on God and were refuges in the realms of darkness (devil and his boys) till the “appointed time”. These were older more evil and stronger in the realm of the spirit (though Adam was a god in the physical realm before he abdicated his authority) so, naturally, they bullied and tortured him. [b]So, all the ingredients for HELL, as we know it, were complete. And that established the pattern for all from the bloodline of Adam till this day. Does this seem strange? why do we feel lonely when we are seperated from a loved one? why does this lonliness become despair if the seperation is permanent? the bible says the spiritual births all we see and feel in this realm. thus, as it is here so it is in the spiritual

In essence, GOD DID NOT CREATE HELL AS A TORTURE CHAMBER FOR THOSE THAT SIN. Hell is the natural result of the state of existence known as death. All humans are by default spiritually dead, they are just waiting to fully manifest its reality. Seun has questioned why a loving God would throw his children in hell. Very good question, but God does not throw anybody in Hell, in fact, immediately Adam messed up, God started speaking words that will solve the problem. He was already devising a solution that will save his child from the mess he had gotten into. He was already preparing another innocent free from the bloodline of Adam (not Eve) that will exist just as Adam did that will make the right choices. He was willing to sacrifice this innocent (who was really Himself in a paradoxical way) and exchange his life for that of Adam thereby satisfying all JUSTICE (which paradoxically is Himself too)

So, Seun God does love his children, and yes, a loving God would never throw his children into a place of eternal torment forever. He did not create hell for his children, and to the contrary , the bible describes death and the consequent state called hell as enemies that shall be conquered last ( Rev  19:20, Rev 20:10, Rev 20:14, Rev 20:[/b]15 ) Jesus is also described in the bible as storming hell to plunder the enemy there (doesn’t sound like a friendly prison to me). [b]

(Rev 1:18)  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Rev 20:14  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

1Co 15:26  The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

The torment that goes on forever and ever described in Rev 20:10 is as a result of the utter separation from God in the Lake of Fire as I have already explained. Now all those humans that will partake of this second death have all been given a second chance. Those who never heard of The Solution before there deaths will be given a chance in the millennial reign (you can look this up with real  bible scholars, I am just a concerned citizen) so everyone is given the same choice that Adam had.

So it all boils down to free will, either you accept The Solution or not. So, people do not “go to hell” because of their religion, race, sexual orientation etc, they “go to hell” because that is the state they were born in, except they accept The Solution of a loving Father.

Enough of all this bible quoting! There are people here who don’t even believe the bible but even our folklore (Nigerian Folklore) tells us of how the spirits of wicked people haunt dark places, crying and looking for rest. Sounds like hell to me. We are also told that good men go to meet their ancestors. Remember what Jesus said about Lazarus and the rich man? Lazarus (a good man) was in the bosom of Abraham his ancestor while the rich man was tormented. I can deduce from this that even in “hell” there was a difference in the amount of trauma experienced by a spirit based on how he lived his life and satisfied his conscience, at least till the permanent solution came. Even David, thousands of years before Jesus, talked about the assurance that his soul would not be left in hell (Ps 16:10, sorry I quoted again) but rescued someday.

Forgive me for the long post, I hope it will be useful to someone

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MAN CREATED HELL!!!!!

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Yes, God created hell. Are you forgetting that He is the Alpha and the Omega. As He is all-knowing, He knew that there were beings that will disobey Him, so He made hell for them to perish there. Please read your Bible in context and don't assume fallacies on your own imagination or understanding. God created everything. Yes, God is good but He is not mock. He is the rewarder of those who diligently serve Him.

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Which god are we talking about? Man created all gods. And man created hell/heaven to scare you all. This is the only life there is. Get off your knees and stop praying. Stop wasting your time. You dont need god to be good. All the atrocities in the world were committed in the name of religion. Hitler used religion to control his army. The German Army belt buckles said GOTT MIT UNS which means GOD WITH US. Nazi soldiers also took an oath to Hitler saying - I SWEAR BY GOD THIS HOLY OATH, TO ADOLF HITLER, By using religion Hitler made himself seem close to god.

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Yes, indeed there is Hell prepared for the satan and his agents.

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Fayahsoul,

I too, am starting to focus in into your problem.

You hold to the sovereign God theory, which claims that God is one with His creation as creation was made from Him. Your understanding is that God is inseparable from creation due to the fact that He created matter from Himself - from the matter within Him. Your continuous reference to atoms, electrons, and quarks leads me to believe that you think every atom in this tiny universe is under His guidance and control, and holds the essence of God's energy.

Here is what I believe: God is not energy or matter, rather He is a spirit that abides in a spiritual dimension. If God was a part of creation He would be subject to finite life, finite cycles, finite beauty, perishing organisms, perishing planets, perishing stars, etc. That does not go under my definition of Eternal, Infinite, and All-Mighty God, so I believe that God IS NOT part of His creation. If He was inside creation, creation would resemble perfection as He is perfect.

Jews and Christians alike believe that on the first day God created space and matter. We read that God hovered over the water (matter). We do not read in the first book, first paragraphs that God was IN the water. Later we read that God made light (energy). Why would God make energy, if He already is "spiritual energy"? Is this some new type of energy, that didn't already exist within Himself? This photon energy that we call light was created By God, not Of God. If it were, than the Torah would have had that clearly written out.

Your human logic, is your own trap. Your belief is that everything needs a cause, and each cause inherits the previous cause. God did not need a cause. He was the cause. And from His cause sprung the universe, a completely different and individual cause. God being All-Powerful can do things like that. His creation is individual, sovereign in its own behalf, and makes decisions based on free will.

There are times at which God intervenes (intersects) the universe as He cannot bear to see where mankind is headed. Nonetheless God is still separate in 7th heaven, far away from all the troubles of the earth.

Another claim you made was that God has no definition for evil. I object to this claim as well since God intervened on earth through Moses and He made it clear that there is a code of conduct that man should follow. God made it clear that eating from the fruit of evil knowledge was WRONG. God continually sent prophets to judge people for their wickedness. God does have a definition for Good and Evil. And God has revealed Himself to us as being completely Good and Holy.

A quick question before this debate heats up to erroneous levels, are you Jewish? Your reference to God as G-d leads me to believe so. And if you are Jewish, what interpretation of Jewish scriptures do you support?

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The concept of good and evil is based on human judgment. Do u think that G-d and other higher dimensional beings conceive good and evil like we do? How can u say that G-d is only good? you can't know good without evil. You need evil to know and appreciate good so both good and evil exist by necessity.

My desk top is comprised of numerous atoms and where do these atoms come from if not from G-d.

G-d is not his creation? so did the matter with which G-d used to create stuff come outside of him? and therefore matter has an independent existence from G-d and G-d is not supreme. Then who created matter and where did the atomic particles of matter come from?

@ bolded, that's a contradiction. If G-d is the originator of lucifer then G-d must have his essence contained in his being. Can u withdraw dirty water from clean water? and if G-d is supreme and infinite why is it impossible to have the lucifarian nature within the vast expanse of infinitum?

Our physical dimension is not separate from the spiritual dimension. They co-exist. Look, the physical is not really as solid as it seems. It's somewhat of an illusion. Matter is cpmprised of atoms and atoms are comprised of protons, neutrons and electrons. 99.999% of an atom is empty space or pure energy/wave/consciousness while the remaining .0001% is particle/solid. So the physical aspect of anything you see is actually 0.0001% of it's total being the remaining 99.999% is spiritual/wave/pure energy/consciousness.

Ok, i see your problem. U think G-d is a spirit therefore he is separate from his physical creation. well i just showed u the spiritual and physical are actually the same thing. There is no real boundary separating them. For instance, an atom is comprised of protons, neutrons and electrons and these three sub-atomic particles are comprised of gauge bosons, leptons and quarks and these three elementary particles are assumed to have no substructure and are comprised of quanta or light/pure energy/consciousness. Now the totality of all quanta is G-d.

I am not putting G-d in a box rather u are the one doing so. The physical is the spiritual at its densest. The universe and everything in it is a very tiny aspect of G-d. Through us and other numerous incarnated beings and gods in many dimensions of existence, G-d experience beingness and evolves accordingly.

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Yeah and in that case He shouldn't have made us either because in all life there is liberty and pursuit of happiness. Some people pursue happiness with evil intentions, others with good intentions.

God knew what would happen. He even knew that He would have to die a painful, bloody death on a cross for mankind. He knew it all, and didn't with-strain Himself from creating life.

God brings all things to good. He allows pain, to test the faithfulness of His children and eventually let us feel the fullness of His heavenly embrace.

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True word's Seun,you just hit a nail and it goes staright to the point.,yes if really the enity "God" is not just Superficial then why and why has he been hiding from his own creators? ,and later on just want us to believe his exsistance just with a written book full of contradiction's. . .,come to think about it Man created God on the first day,peherp's most people have read it:in the Beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth,in (((Genesis)))-but honestly sharing with you all Bible is Manmaid.

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So what your saying is that God is the author of every single evil action on earth, as He is the originator of all? God is within everything even the screen on your desk, just because He made it. Is that what you are trying to say? If so, your conception of God is skewed.

The way I understand it God IS NOT His creation. The Bible explicitly tells us to worship God, not His creation, meaning there is a difference.

I believe that God is the originator of all, but is not associated with anything that contradicts His nature (i.e. Lucifer). Omnipresence is a belief meaning that something completely subsides in known/created space. God is OUTSIDE of space, in His own dimension where there is no context for evil. This is a spiritual dimension (not locational dimension) which supersedes our dimension.

God is NOT the universe, He is the creator of the universe. He is the creator of Hell, but doesn't subside in Hell. He is fully capable of being present in every place in this created universe at once, even Hell, and being a spirit He wouldn't feel the pain of Hell as it was created for evil. He isn't evil, so how can He feel the wrath of Hell?

God cannot be undermined by His creations. God can't be put into a box, in which He is somehow belittled. He supersedes it all, and has a plan for it all.

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U don't get it. If everything came from G-d then everything is an aspect of G-d. The totality of all that exists is G-d. So G-d cannot walk and talk amongst men because he cannot exist outside of his creation. To do so would mean that he/she is not the absolute sovereign and supreme being. G-d is the created. For instance, air is omnipresent on earth but just because there's air in your room does not mean that all the air on earth is in your room.

Yes.

G-d is the supreme source of all, that means the substance with which he/she used to create hell came from his essence and not from outside his being therefore an aspect of G-d is hell.

He cannot give up his right to be omnipresent because he is omnipresent by necessity. That is, if he is truely G-d then he must also be omnipresent just like a mountain must have a valley to be a mountain by necessity.

G-d cannot choose to be in clean places because nothing exists outside of him. Everything is him and he is everything down to the tiniest particle of dust. Can u separate yourself from yourself?

Again, if he is G-d he can't give up anything. . .he is the universe and everything in it.

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What you just said is also contradictory. If something is omnipresent, it is at specific locations whilst at the same time being everywhere. How can something that is everywhere, not be in a specific location?

The question then is: Is God truly omnipresent? Is God in the same Hell that He created? Or does He willingly give up His right to be omnipresent in order to avoid evil?

I always thought that if God has something (eg: knowledge, love) He has it to the fullest extent possible. And if He doesn't have something, He has absolutely none of it (eg: blame, evil).

Due to His absolute purity God has denied Himself the right to omnipresence, choosing rather to stay in clean places. This does not belittle Him though, it only shows that He truly is potent enough to do anything that He chooses, even if it means giving up a piece of His universe to be a container for chaos.

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God does not exist outside of his/her creation. If he/she is the supreme being then the substance with which he/she uses to create anything came from within him/herself not without. The creator is the created. There's no separation, all is connected to the all.

So if God sends whom ever he/she created(satan, demons, man etc) to hell then God will also feel/experience the torment first hand.

ps: There are instances in the bible when God walked and talked amongst men. . .and this is a contradiction because an entity that is supposedly omnipresent cannot at the same time be at a specific location.

Religion is devotion to confusion.

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You may want to peruse my take on the thread http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113947.0.html#msg1971669

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Mr allonym check the meaning of FREEWILL as nicetohave said.

it was given to Adam by love. once again please check the meaning of freewill.

it will give you some insight.

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Mr allonym check the meaning of FREEWILL as nicetohave said.

it was given to Adam by love. once again please check the meaning of freewill.

it will give you some insight.

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The answer is here: Why I Am Not A Christian Anymore. I don't hate God.

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@seun

Yes

God cannot break HIS OWN laws. It only makes sense.

The bible explicitly says it is impossible for God to lie. That is one example

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Hello all yo ma hommies,Am back from the dungeon, so what's been happening since I left da house?

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"No one had eyes on the knees, nor the heard sitting outside the skin on the arm. No one has fingers on top of the scalp! Adam and his wife are already forgiven by their Lord. This is the way God has taught mankind the process to seek forgiveness from Him. God will forgive all sins, except disbelief; associating anything with him or claiming that He does not exist."

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ur argument here is invalid. if God is omini-everything, incomprehendable like u believe, then u're not permitted to know anything about him or his existence. "No one had eyes on the knees, nor the heard sitting outside the skin on the arm, " and u call that order? I'm getting just a lil confused, just a lil bt

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Ok - let me clear up a few things.

#1. Foremost in God's plan for humanity is free will. Without that, nothing else that God did would remotely make sense to us.

#2. Hell exists currently as the dwelling place of Satan and his demons. Currently no human beings are there - they only go there at the return of Christ.

#3. The torment that people go through in hell is not of being BURNED - the bible does NOT say this at all. The torment people go through is because they are separated from God. The bible repeatedly states that being apart from God is the worst thing that can happen to a person.

#4. So, because we have free will, we must be able to choose between God. . . and not God. If God did not have an alternative, then we couldn't exercise free will, because there would be no other choice.

This is what the bible says about the lake of fire (which people erroneously assume means burning torment for eternity)

As you can see, being cast into the lake is death. A second (and final) death. It is not forever. I'm sure if more people take time to read Revelations, they'll quickly see that the bible only mentions three people for torment: Satan, his beast, and his anti-christ.

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Those who think that Hell is on this earth, please tell us the location. infact show it to us, its physical location; is it in the European, African, South American, Asian, the American , Australia or other continent. Where really?

Those who think that they are presently in hell, right now because of their financial, social, emotional or other factor, when they see Hell as the place of abode for disbelievers of the Oneness of The Lord of all creations, they will wish to go back to live that miserable life that they had lived on this earth. But it will be too late!

Hell is already created, just like paradise is. God is all powerful, in control of everything on earth, in heavens and in between and beyond our understanding. For those who limit the power of God, this simply amount to disbelief.

The life in this world is a test; to discriminate between the obedient and the disobedient. Are you trying to be obedient or are you knowingly or ignorantly disobedient? It is our duty to find the right guidance. You do that by not associating anything with God, because is One, not two, three or more. There is God and nothing is accident of occurence or happens by chance. Do you notice the impeccable order of all things?

No one had eyes on the knees, nor the heard sitting outside the skin on the arm. No one has fingers on top of the scalp! Adam and his wife are already forgiven by their Lord. This is the way God has taught mankind the process to seek forgiveness from Him. God will forgive all sins, except disbelief; associating anything with him or claiming that He does not exist.

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Assuming that God is powerless to prevent hell from becoming a place of torment for human beings, he must at least have known what would happen before it happened. If so, then he shouldn't have created hell or Satan.

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@ allonym,

I see your point.

@hot coco,

you better give your life to christ before you realise the truth that this earth is no hell.

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I've asked and asked. I shall ask once more.

God knew that adam would eat the fruit in the garden of eden, why then put it there, right in the middle,  when he created and wove their minds to think the way they did,  gave 'em 3yr old minds made them as guilable, does it mean man was not predictable enough as mentally backward as they were?,   sounds more like God wanted man to fall~ 

Man makes choices based on his predispositions,  genetic encodings and imprints from his environment. There is no such thing as "free-will",  man is a vacuum without his environment. There is no free-will in a vacuum.

 

It makes no sense when an ardent muslim converts to christianity or any other religion for that matter. Belief is belief,  faith if u will. It has nothing to do with accuracy or coherence of facts presented to one by a certain religion. It has all to do with those pieces of information which is drummed into ones head the hardest, regardless of how absurd and moronic it is.  Check-out Nazi teachings. Someone is like  "I would never do any such to my fellow human being " uuum, yes you would,  given the same circumstances as they as have research proven; what does that tell u about men and their "choices"?

~  and then God turns around and say man sinned against Him? Isn't that sadistic? or is there a game somewhere?

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xkape, it's funny how I missed this thread completely. The crux of your argument is that there are certain laws of existence that are greater than God, right? That there are certain laws of nature that God cannot break? Right?

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xkape,

I'll try and give you the gist by weekend.  I'm a little busy now.  As a starter, you can read Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28.  You will find some things there to help.

Cheers.

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@ Tayo D

Thanx. I believe most of ur comments are spot on, especially those about the various compartments of what we know as hell. About the civilizations before adam, i have heard just little gist about it. I havent been able to determine from the bible for myself one way or another so i would be glad to see what u have to say about it.

cheers.

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xkape,

I am quite impressed by your introduction to this topic.  It is quite enlightening and I'm sure a lot of Christians have no clue about the civilization that existed here on earth before Adam came into the picture.  I believe you probably didn't go in-depth for want of space and probably due to lack of relevance to the topic at hand.

That been said, I think there are some things that need to be clarified.  While i can't tell you when hell was created, the Bible at least indicate that it is located in the ground.  Aside from this, there are 3 compartments altogether that the Bible mentions are in the ground Ephesians 4:9.   Two of those are mentioned in the story of Lazarus.  Hell or Hades is where the rich young ruler found himself while Lazarus found himself in the bossom of Abraham.  I don't believe Lazarus found himself in Abraham's Bossom because he was a direct lineage of Abraham, rather it was because he was also a man of faith.  Remember that Abraham is called the father of faith.  Hades/Hell from this story is a place of torment and Abraham's bossom is a place of rest.

The third compartment will be found in the Book of Jude and the Bible called it Tatarus.  This is the place where all the disobedient angels are being held.  These angels were locked up "in chains of darkness" after the flood of Noah because they tried to pollute the human race. 

As for Abraham's Bossom, it is no longer populated because Jesus took all the occupants with him to heaven during his ascension.  This is what the Bible refers to in the Book of Ephesians 4:8 as "He led captivity captive."  You will also remember that when Jesus was risen, people saw a number of this old testament saints in and around Jerusalem.  Jesus took them with Him on His triumphant entry into heaven.

obviously, there's a lot to talk about. but I'll give more gist later.

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Maybe your might want to explain the reason why you claim what they worship are just gods of a particular race, but come to think of it, God is a diety? A creator of the Aryans and Arabs if I am allowed to say right?

What is wrong with worshipping the creator of Aryans and Arabs that also happens to be the creator of humanity? Can you please explain? And please don't go on saying "The bible say this, the bible said that, ", I want you to reason for yourself and give answers to what you have said, because the bible didnt say the creator of Aryans and Arabs can't be worshipped?

Am I missing something?

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This is completely untrue, read ur bible before making spurious statements. God cast satan down to EARTH, not hell

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allonym, thanks for keeping up the good fight. These people are sell-outs. In their hopes of getting "Heaven" they shamelessly worshipped the gods of the Aryans and Arabs. It would not be an under statement to refer to their actions as prostitution.

I am not in any way implying that the traditional gods are right. I am merely saying that all possible indications from sturdying various groups of people point to the fact that religous is only a means to answer questions that we all have. Sadly, regardless of how many people you get to believe a lie, it will still never be true.

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There is more evidence to the argument that God created hell.

According to the bible, God created all things and through him, all things which exist were made. If thats not enough for you. . . I don't know what is, but lets go on.

According to the bible, God cast satan out of heaven into hell. This implies that hell already existed. Since before satan's rebellion, there were no other beings to cast into hell or angels to create hell as a dwelling place, God MUST have created hell beforehand.

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Childreans activities were not really recognised in the bible because they concider kids and women of the same status. I think the only two or three places i rememebr was the following

- Children repect ur mom and dad to live long

- The story of joseph

The story of baby jesus

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Perhaps this might sound strange to you but it's absolute Truth!

Bible is not a comprehensive book that cover all the activities and world Events,It's a spiritual book quite alright but those early christains who compiled those scriputures before it was called bible did not include some recorded events for Obivious reasons! for Examples  Jesus childhood activities was not recorded in the bible rather they emphasied more when he was 30 years and above, I don't need to go in details but search on your own

Spritual Indolence is burden! Isaiah once said ''my people perished due lack of knowledge''.

So  Study the bible and  other spirtual books on your own and derive or decide the path you 'll  follow;Thats is the Responsibities you bears!

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lol I don't know about anything not writting in the bible, I think bible covers it all, In the present word, lets say in engineering, we have things like six sigma which is a quality tool to track quality improvement. In manufacturing industry, a manufacturer does not expect all his products to be 100% free of defects. Same things goes to everything we do in life. Efficiency is never 100%. If u don't give a bible quote then there is no way u can win becasue what our enviroment is showing is that "for God to have created man" he does not expect mans royalty to him to be 100%. Hence hell was created for people who are not royal to God

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Quoting the bible will never make you a good reader, or a christain/believer. qouting bible still not make you to fully grasp/better understanding what it written in de bible

I can not quote any verse cause am not good in quoting but I understand the bible to the best of my knowledge and I make good research

so dear, seek & you will find!

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You just don't get it do you?

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I perceived Hell to be a place for learning for those that have passed on and are waiting to go onto the next level. I believe earth is hell because in order to move onto the spiritual realm, we have to purge ourselves of physical desires. We will keep on coming back to earth until we are ready to move on.

Thing is there are other beings on the earth that thrive on negative energy and will do everything in their utmost power to encourage more negative actions from us including angry thoughts and you will find there are certain people who help feed this frenzy and they in return are rewarded with material wealth tying them and their followers even more to this world ie certain pastors

The man 'they' called 'Jesus' came to show us how to get out of this rut and move on another level towards The Most High Spiritual Being in existence but we still suffer from the 7 deadly sins that hold us back all the time.

What's that saying again? It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of the Most High Spiritual Being.

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its amazing how we tear one another apart with "big vocabs" all in a bid to prove-disprove God or his works and attributes:

Him whom we all have to deal with and answer to, now or later.

He created hell for the purpose of satan and his angels; whoever unfortunately finds himself there should probe God why he did so and use all these big grammar on Him then, and see if he/she will stand justified before the ancient of days whom again i say; we will all have to deal with: soon or late; to eternal life or eternal damnation.

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Well, you never said that. But. , whatever. . .lets see what else you have to say. .

Well, DUH. So, you are saying if my premise is false, then my argument falls apart. . . ok. . .same thing applies to you. If God is actually all powerful, then YOUR argument is just BS.

It seems that you are doggedly holding on the an inaccurate blanket statement that God is NOT all powerful. Either that, or you like making ignorant or unfounded statements about what others are thinking.

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Yes. For the ungodly and disobedient ones.

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Allonym, the whole basis of my post was that the bible does not say that God is all-powerful in this world as a lot of people claim. So u are basing ur argument on what u choose to believe.

If this element is removed from ur argument the whole argument breaks down, this is why u doggedly hold on to this innacurate blanket-statement that God is all-powerful and thefore he can erase evil from the earth

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That is not true. If I believe that God is all powerful, then that means that if God wanted, all the drugs in the world would disappear, never to return. God definitely, has not done all that he can do. To say that would suggest there are limits to his power. God has done all that he wants to do. That, I will agree to.

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God has already done all he can do for the junky child. i used to be one of them, i am no longer but it was my choice, sometimes u have to cold turkey on a lot of things, especially pride. I can tell u for a certainty that i aint going to hell (unless i do something silly like deny God). So there at least he did something about this here junky child.

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If my child decides to be a junky, as long as there is life in my body, I will work to cure him his idiotic ways. What is your point? That is definitely not the response of God. If God was in my position, then the child will be a junky, game over.

What makes you think I'm angry at God? I don't think I said that. I'm not angry at Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden. Wouldn't stop me from calling them idiots.

Riiight. . . So, why should I be convinced by you and more than the person who claims aliens are taking over the world. If i'm right, and there are no aliens, then we would lose nothing. If that guy is right, think of the consequences. Just because there are bad consequences if you are right, doesn't mean I should follow your ideas. I'm not saying you are as crazy as the person claiming aliens are taking over the world, but you can see why that is a weak argument for me coming over to your side.

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Hmm this is kinda too much for me

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@allonym

u have obviously made up ur mind and will not be confused by the facts

GOd cant control ur life and ur will cos he meant u to be exactly like him eventually. Do u have children?, do u control them. If ur child decides to become a junky, it is his choise

why are u angry at God? why dont u embrace his love instead of questioning his motives. I wrote in the post that everyone will be given a fair choise eventualy. this might be ur own chance. the facts have been presented to u with as little relegious clutter as i can manage, u can choose to hold on fanatically to ur beleif or open ur mind. the truth is never afraid of reason or scrutiny. I am not explaining things from ur beliefs, just from what the bible says of itself

Besides, if u r right and there is no God, i will loose nothing but if i am right, think of the consequences for u

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Pardon my use of words, the word "life" is not meant to imply you but life in general, and "you" in the plurality not just you

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How am I doing that? What does my life have to do with this discussion? What say you about my previous post?

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Youre implying that you are irresponsible then, yet you wish to live a responsible life?

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