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Did Jesus And The Apostles Paid Tithe?

I read through the reply by Chukwudi44 to the post of SirJohn on: A Question For Tithe Payers. Naturally, there were those 'for' and those 'against' but, Chukwudi44 wrote: JESUS AND THE APOSTLES NEVER PAID TITHE. He quoted Heb. 7:8 and Eph. 2:15. What do you say about this, if you can, pls support your view with bible quotes, thanks.

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Cleakom, well written. I like how you use the bible to interpreted itself. So many people had misunderstood tithing, and to justify they paying tithes they use Abraham, but what they don't understand is that the bible recorded Abraham paying tithes once and that was not from his property or possession. In fact Abraham did not kept none of what was won from war. Jacob made a vow to God that he would give God a tithe, but he never honor that vow.

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Nice comment Otitikoro, but the issue is about following the word of God because so many people could be led astray due to false doctrine and that's why we must be on guard. We must uphold the teachings of christ and not our pastor's or church's doctrines

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@Azibalua, the word of God is so simple and we christians decided to complicate it,

No 1. Did Abraham pay tithes from His income or his lands, fruits, crops or animals?, No. He gave from the spoils of war

No 2. open your bible to Hebrews 7: 8-10

8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. 9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, 10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.

   If you want to defend your point based on the fact that abraham paid tithes, you can see from above especially in verse 9 that Abraham was compared to Levites who gave a tenth to the priest and not the children of Israelites,

  So Mr or Mrs Azabalua, are you a levite?, if yes, then you're not allowed any inheritance in the land because the Lord commmanded it.

No 3. If tithing predates the law as you have claimed, then start tithing as the Lord commanded and not as your pastor teaches. pay all you 3 tithes, 1 for the poor, 2 for the festival and 3 for the levitical priests.

No 4. If you or your pastor claim to be a priest, then collect your tithes from the levites because the tithes of the people of Israel does not go to the priest but to the Levites who will in turn give a tenth to the priest.

No 5. So, where did you get the idea that your 10% goes to the church or pastor?, i need bible verses,

My brother or sister, i know it can be very hard to know that all you have been taught all your life  about tithes and how it's given is not completely true. I was taught like you as well, but the bible says 1 Thess 5: 21 19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not treat prophecies with contempt 21 but test them all; hold on to what is good, 22 reject every kind of evil,

It's just a pity that we no longer feed from the word of God in its raw form, we only feed from our local churches and pastors,

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Abraham paid tithes to melchisedek before the law came into being,you have shown that christ came in the order of Melchizedek according to scriptures

Therefore tithing is a principle of god instituted before the law

When the law was abolished tithing was not because it existed far before the law

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Hmmmm,  This is a very interesting topic and in my understanding, I don't think the new testament Christian are to pay tithes,

Please pray before you read this that God should open your eyes,  Everything here comes directly and purely from the scriptures wihtout mixing words and I pray that the Lord will Open our eyes of Understanding.

1,   Abraham was the first to give a tenth or tithe if we can call it that  ( Genesis 14:16-20)

17 After Abram returned from defeating Kedorlaomer and the kings allied with him, the king of Sodom came out to meet him in the Valley of Shaveh (that is, the King’s Valley).

18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, 19 and he blessed Abram, saying,

   “Blessed be Abram by God Most High,

   Creator of heaven and earth.

20 And praise be to God Most High,

   who delivered your enemies into your hand.”

   Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.

Lessong 1 . Abraham tithed the goods he recovered from the war and not his income, crops, animals or possessions to Melchizedek, 

2. God commanded that tithes should be given to the priests and the levites.  ( Numbers 18 :8-10,  14-20)

8 Then the LORD said to Aaron, “I myself have put you in charge of the offerings presented to me; all the holy offerings the Israelites give me I give to you and your sons as your portion, your perpetual share. 9 You are to have the part of the most holy offerings that is kept from the fire. From all the gifts they bring me as most holy offerings, whether grain or sin[a] or guilt offerings, that part belongs to you and your sons. 10 Eat it as something most holy; every male shall eat it. You must regard it as holy.

14 Everything in Israel that is devoted to the LORD is yours. 15 The first offspring of every womb, both human and animal, that is offered to the LORD is yours. But you must redeem every firstborn son and every firstborn male of unclean animals. 16 When they are a month old, you must redeem them at the redemption price set at five shekels[c] of silver, according to the sanctuary shekel, which weighs twenty gerahs.

17 “But you must not redeem the firstborn of a cow, a sheep or a goat; they are holy. Splash their blood against the altar and burn their fat as a food offering, an aroma pleasing to the LORD. 18 Their meat is to be yours, just as the bosom of the wave offering and the right thigh are yours. 19 Whatever is set aside from the holy offerings the Israelites present to the LORD I give to you and your sons and daughters as your perpetual share. It is an everlasting covenant of salt before the LORD for both you and your offspring.”

20 The LORD said to Aaron, “You will have no inheritance in their land, nor will you have any share among them; I am your share and your inheritance among the Israelites.

These are what God promised the priest ( Levites from the house of Aaron) for their service to him.

     " You can see from the above that Aaron's households are the ones that are to be priests and not all the levites are priests. Other Levites that are not from           the household of Aaron are to be ministers. God promised Aarons family these gifts above because of their position as the priest and he said they shall have no    inheritance in the land"

Lets us look at what God promised to the ordinary levites who were not priest but ordinary ministers because the priests were to come from the house of Aaron alone   (Numbers 18: 21-29)

21 “I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the tent of meeting. 22 From now on the Israelites must not go near the tent of meeting, or they will bear the consequences of their sin and will die. 23 It is the Levites who are to do the work at the tent of meeting and bear the responsibility for any offenses they commit against it. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. They will receive no inheritance among the Israelites. 24 Instead, I give to the Levites as their inheritance the tithes that the Israelites present as an offering to the LORD. That is why I said concerning them: ‘They will have no inheritance among the Israelites.’”

25 The LORD said to Moses, 26 “Speak to the Levites and say to them: ‘When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the LORD’s offering. 27 Your offering will be reckoned to you as grain from the threshing floor or juice from the winepress. 28 In this way you also will present an offering to the LORD from all the tithes you receive from the Israelites. From these tithes you must give the LORD’s portion to Aaron the priest. 29 You must present as the LORD’s portion the best and holiest part of everything given to you.’

  " From the reading above , you can see that the tithes of israelites is for the ordinary  Levites and not Levites that are priests (Aaron's generation). But look at verse 28, the Lord commanded the Levites ( Ordinary Levites) to give a tenth or tithes from the tithes they received from the Israelites to Aaron the priest. So in conclusion, the priests did not collect tithes from the Israelites but from the Levites,

3. The Israelites did not bring their tithes to the storehouse of God, they were to be collected by the Levites. It was the Levites who were to bring a tenth or tithes  from the tithes they collected from the Israelites to the storehouse,  (Nehemiah 10: 36-39)

36 “As it is also written in the Law, we will bring the firstborn of our sons and of our cattle, of our herds and of our flocks to the house of our God, to the priests ministering there.

37 “Moreover, we will bring to the storerooms of the house of our God, to the priests, the first of our ground meal, of our grain offerings, of the fruit of all our trees and of our new wine and olive oil. And we will bring a tithe of our crops to the Levites, for it is the Levites who collect the tithes in all the towns where we work. 38 A priest descended from Aaron is to accompany the Levites when they receive the tithes, and the Levites are to bring a tenth of the tithes up to the house of our God, to the storerooms of the treasury. 39 The people of Israel, including the Levites, are to bring their contributions of grain, new wine and olive oil to the storerooms, where the articles for the sanctuary and for the ministering priests, the gatekeepers and the musicians are also kept.

  T[b]his is very interesting to me, in verse 37, Israelites only bring to the storeroom the first of their ground meal,  of grains offerings, of the fruits of all their trees and of their new wine and Olive oil but they were to give their tithes to the Levites. Take a close look at verse 38, it was the Levites that were commanded to bring a tenth of the tithes they collected to the storerooms of the house of God. [/b]

Lesson 2: From the above, you can see that

1. Tithes were only agricultural crops and animals and not money because they had money in those days and there were also people who worked as carpneters, lawyers, bricklayers, etc and we were not told they paid tithes

2. The tithes did not go to the priests, it went to the Levites. It was the Levites who in turn gave to the priest a tenth of the tithes they collected from the children of Israel.

3. It was the Levites who brought tithes to the storeroom of the house of God and not the Israelites ( Nehemiah  10: 38)

4. All these laws were given to Moses on mount Sinai to the Israelites (Leviticus 27). They are called the Mosaic laws

3. Why tithe is not money but only agricultural crops and animals. More proofs ( Leviticus 27: 30-34)

30 “‘A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD. 31 Whoever would redeem any of their tithe must add a fifth of the value to it. 32 Every tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the LORD. 33 No one may pick out the good from the bad or make any substitution. If anyone does make a substitution, both the animal and its substitute become holy and cannot be redeemed.’”

34 These are the commands the LORD gave Moses at Mount Sinai for the Israelites.

  As you can see from above verse 30 says tithes of everything from the Land and it explains it as you can see from the word of God. Verse 31 discouraged people from selling the tithe and bringing the money but it says if you would redeem or sell, you will pay a penalty by adding a fifth of the value to it. Let us examine verse 33. it says you cannot change the animal you bring for tithe, it must be the tenth animal either good or bad. If you want to change it, both the tenth animal and the one you exchanged it with becomes your tithe and they cannot be redeemed i.e you cannot sell and bring the monetary value.

4. The Malachi 3:10-12 story.

10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the LORD Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it. 11 I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not drop their fruit before it is ripe,” says the LORD Almighty. 12 “Then all the nations will call you blessed, for yours will be a delightful land,” says the LORD Almighty.

This the book most new testament Christians use to condemn themselves.  Verse 10 says Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. from our readings(Neh 10:38 and Num 18:25-27), it's the levites that bring their tithes into the storehouse of God and not the Israelites. The tithes of the Israelites belong to Levites. So, the Malachi 3:10 is addressing the levites who refused to bring their tithes to the storehouse  of God under the levitical priesthood of the house of Aaron. These were all under the laws of Moses

                                                              [center]    Conclusions from the above[/center]

1. Priests do not collect tithes from the Israelites but from the Levites. Therefore, I don't think pastors have the right to collect tithes from church members

2. Tithes were agricultural products   and animals. People were also discouraged from paying their tithes with money by paying an extra fifth for agricultural products but for animals, they cannot be redeemed (Leviticus 27: 30-34).

3. Tithes does not only Go to the storehouse but the bible defines 3 different types of tithes. 1st, Tithes for the poor, levites, widows etc (Deuteronomy 26:12). 2nd, the feast tithe (Deuteronomy 14:22–23). 3rd was the Levitical tithe – Numbers 18:24. So, where did preachers get the 10% to the church from?

4. If you still feel you need to give tithe after reading all these, then give it the way the Lord commanded the Israelites according to the Mosiaic law. Give you tithes to levites( we can call them church cleaners, drivers, ushers, helpers and those who help the pastor in general). Then, the levites will then give a tenth or tithe  to the pastor. Don't forget the pastor is also to get the first fruits and all other gift offerings for sacrifices.

[center]Let me welcome you to the New Testament covenant and Giving[/center]

Galatians 3:2-14

2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?[a] 4 Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[c]

7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”[d] 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[h] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

  As you can see from verse 10, Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the book of Law and 11 says that the righteous shall live by faith and not laws. The laws  were rules given to Israelites before Jesus Christ died for US. verse 13 tells us that we are no longer under a curse because Jesus redeemed us from the curse of law by becoming a curse for us,  So, if you're scared of Malachi 3:10 despite the fact that it was the Levites that the bible spoke about, then I am sure you should be convinced by now that you are no longer under a curse.

Let us look at verse 28 of Galatians 3.

23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Read it carefully, verse 25 says Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the guardian (Law)  as verse 24 described the law as our Guardian before Jesus christ came, So belovers, you're no longer under the curse of the law including tithes, animal sacrifices and offerings,

[center]Are you not convinced yet?. ok read on[/center]

[b]Open your bible to hebrews 7: 1-4[/b]

1 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

4 Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder! 5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, from their fellow Israelites—even though they also are descended from Abraham.

  Looking at verse 1, it described how Abraham gave a tenth to Melchizedek from the spoils of war as also noted in ( Genesis 14:16-20)

Now examine verse 5 closely. It says,  now the law( which is the law of Moses) requires the descendants of Levi who are priests to collect tenth from the people. This was a commandment laid down by God under the levitical priesthood.

Now let's go to verse 11-16. you can read it to the end in your bible.

11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. 13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. 14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. 15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life.

  reading verse 12, For when the Priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. There fellow Christians, we are under the priesthood of our Lord Jesus Christ one in the Order of Melchizedek and not the levitical in the order of Aaron. So, it baffles when Christians are subjected to the levitical priesthood in order to pay tithes when the bible clearly tells us that we are under a new and a better priesthood which is not based on law but on faith.

[center]How are Christians to give[/center]

Infact there are so many places the apostles and christ spoke about giving. we were to give generously. let's take a look at some examples.

2 Cor 9:7, Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

   Tithe was under the law and it was compulsory, but we are to give not reluctantly or under compulsion

Matthew 25:31-46,  This tells us that giving is a very important aspect of our chrisitian life .Make sure you read this.Most christians think giving to church means giving to God, please read your bible and don't just listen to your pastors.  Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path"

Psalm 119:105

Luke 6:38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

Proverbs 19:17  “He who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done.”

James 1:27  “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.”

1 cor 9: 11  If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?   But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.  13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

Romans 12 : 13 Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.

[center]In conclusion[/center]

1. Jesus or the Apostles never commanded or spoke abou tithes in the New testament

2. We are under the priesthood of Jesus and not the levitical priesthood where people lived by laws

3. We are no more under the law but under grace and christ death took our curse away.

4. I am still worried as to where our bible believing churches got the doctrine of tithes from.

5. If you really believe in tithing, then give it as the Lord as commanded in the old testament so that you will not be guilty of the law

6. Some may say but i give tithe and God blesses me. My answer is that the are only operating under the natural law of giving. If you give, you will receive either you're a christian, muslim or a pagan,

[center]So, Fellow New testament christian, stop TITHING and start GIVING[/center]

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Tithe Test

Take the following True or False quiz to see how much your really understand about tithing. I predict that many of you will be surprised. Record your answers.

______ 1. The Lord Jesus Christ would have tithed. True or False?

______ 2. Simon Peter, originally a fisherman, would have tithed of the fish that he caught. True or False?

______ 3. Everyone in the Old Testament seeking to obey the Law of Moses would have tithed. True or False?

______ 4. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek in the same way that believers tithe to the Lord Jesus Christ. True or False?

______ 5. The Lord Jesus Christ taught His disciples that they should tithe. True or False?

______ 6. There are many examples of people tithing of their incomes in the Bible. True or False?

______ 7. The New Testament teaches that we should tithe to ministers in the same way that Jews tithed to the Priests. True or False?

______ 8. The Bible teaches that God’s standard for giving is ten-percent. True or False?

______ 9. The righteous poor tithed in the Old Testament. True or False?

______ 10. Since everyone is held to the same standard, tithing is fair to everyone. True or False?

Bonus Question. The Bible teaches that everyone should give ten-percent of their ongoing income. True or False? __________

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No, they paid tax. In the new testament their were no tithes only free will giving. That why Ananias and Saphira was stroke dead from lying to the holy spirit. They said they was giving one thing and gave another. God want us to be true in our giving.

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Hey Image123, Love ya' man. But I'll leave my last comment as whatever a person does from the heart is honored by GOD. GOD judges the heart, while man focus on the outward. God bless!

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Even if they paid tithe or did not, TITHE IS NOT MONEY.

The name 'TITHE', used today should be replaced because pastors have right, according to 1 Cor 9.

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I think the question should be ask as: Did the APOSTLES take tithes from the people of the TEMPLE under the NEW COVENANT?

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@ melijah77

What about offerings?

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While i may've wished to engage you in discussion as regards your t views, i'll prefer to stick to the issue for which i'm even discussing anything tithe on nl presently. The issue is 'DID JESUS OR THE APOSTLES PAY TITHE'. I've posted scriptures to SUGGEST that they did. Kindly deal in that context, fenk you.

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Acts 24v14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, BELIEVING ALL things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Key word: Believing. There is a difference between believing and keeping. We as christians believe in all things that was written in the law and in the prophets, and tithing b/c that is what GOD allowed them to serve under at that time. We understand on today that we have a greater covenant than that of the law and the prophets that we serve under with better promises. Our new laws under the New Testament does not tell us we are curse with a curse b/c we don't pay tithes, but it allows us to give freely and cheerfully from the heart under the spirit of grace and truth according to what is needed by the leading of the Holyspirit. It is ok if a person want to pay tithes from the heart but it is not lawfull according to New Testament teachings. We only have 1 High Priest and HIS Priesthood is not carnal but spiritual. The Priesthood in heaven does not institute earthly tithing. In the old times they served under a earthly Priesthood b/c the heavenly Priesthood was not revealed unto them. Now it is revealed by CHRIST JESUS our LORD and HIGH PRIEST FOREVER. Only the gospel can lead us into the heavenly Priesthood if we remain obedient.

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Matthew 5v17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

I thank GOD that right now according to the above scripture that we have the privilege through CHRIST to pass from the law b/c HE has already fulfilled the law and the prophets. We are under grace and truth of the HOLYSPIRIT that was proven in Acts with the first church. JESUS CHRIST fulfilled the Old Covenant and bridged the gap between OLD and NEW COVENANT WORSHIP. Now many that are stuck under the Old Covenant may cross over the bridge. The APOSTLES work of the ministry is greater than JESUS work of the ministry, remember, JESUS said, greater works yall shall do b/c I go to my FATHER. He have not destroyed the law as of now b/c many people are still stuck under it and HIS grace is preserving them until they cross over.

I Thank the question should be ask as: Did the APOSTLES collect tithes for themselves under the New Covenant?

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Hey image123, no offense, if I may call you brother, but I think using the question whether "Jesus and the apostles have their bathe?"is not a clear example b/c it does not connect to the law or things that pertain to sound doctrine, but I do understand your point. I'm quite sure alot of things they did that was less important and carnal was not in the scripture, but the most important is our spirit man receiving the correct law.

The scriptures are the only guideline and measuring tool that we go by in order to confirm what's lawfull and what's not lawfull and it's not for us to add or take away from the word of God by using such examples as the above question that you mention.

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Image123,

I don't know what part of the globe you are on but take it easy man(can I call you man?) You posted Scriptural verses that showed Jesus and the Apostles paying/give tithe? Kindly refresh my memory because I sure didn't see it anywhere.

There you have it folks, nothing more to add.

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I feel the issues about tithe in today's Christianity are "the definition" and "the application".

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Applicable? the concept can still be applicable. Nothing stop anybody from dedicating/offering a portion of his earnings (tenth, a third) or even everything to the Almighty (based on freewill).

A Christian requirement? NO.

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Also note that no one requested for it.

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You keep repeating this post.

Don’t think you should go this route Image123. To assume a practice is biblical even though it was never recorded comes with some risk if accepted. One can simply adopt the same approach for other contentious practices we find in the various churches today. Nothing in the NT point to the need for believers to tithe. The apostles would easily pass as the first priest/pastors and I don’t see how you can make such inference from their activities and writings.

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where did Jesus ask anyone to receive tithes on his behalf?.The tithes paid to churches how does it now get to Jesus who is supposed ro receive it as our high priest

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You guys aren't serious! When you can't point to any Scripture to show that Jesus and the Apostles paid tithes, you retort to rigmarole and gamesmanship to try to cover up your exposed rear ends. Pastor JoeAgbaje has agreed that Malachi wasn't addressed to the Gentiles or Christians and don't those pastors love to SCARE folks with Malachi?

There is no principle that said you had to PAY God for blessings as opposed to living a holy life and helping out your fellow brothers and sisters along the way, no where it is stated that your help has to go through a "central collecting agency" to get to the widows, orphans, needy, strangers or what have you.

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What exactly were you trying to achieve with your post?

I honestly don’t understand the above. Care to educate me a little?

What sentiments? That you demote Christ or elevate man to justify a practice? What sentiment are you talking about?

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@Uncle joe

You and i know very well that tithing was anulled and described as weak useless and unprofitable in the book of hebrew. For the benefit of those who might not have come across the passage i would post it below:

Hebrews 7:5-19:

5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

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@CHARLOE

Yes tithing was Institued before the law but thats not the point, even if it was only instituted under the law, it is based on spiritual principles in God and it's continues. There are things instituted under the law that are still applicable to us even as Gentiles because they are based on spiritual principles . E.g honouring your parents, honouring men in power, not speaking evil of dignities.etc. But the things that are shadow of the messiah are no longer applicable to us because the messiah fulfilled them. other things such as the sabbath, circumcision, blood sacrifice etc either also existed before the law or during the law. So concerning the sabbath you spoke about , Jesus is our sabbath, concerning curcumcision, salvation in him is our circumcision, blood sacrifice is fulfilled in christ. Jesus spoke against sabbath, paul spoke against sabbath but for the tithes , no one ever spoke against it. Because it has nothing to do with the messiah. Rather , Jesus our high priest receives our tithes.

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The book of Malachi was addressed to the Jews. But there are principles in God that are eternal. So tithes and offering are based on principles in God. And spiritual laws. This transcends dispensations and the law.

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^recycler

For the benefit of those who don't know your rigmarole gifts, there's nothing like law of tithe in scriptures. When the scriptures talk about law, it's refering to the law i.e the ceremonial laws done away with by the crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, not some myopic attack on lighter matters when weightier matters are dying for ATTENTION.

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Interesting topic. I hear alot of people here saying tithing was before d law, how about keeping d sabbath, was that not also before the law? (God rested on d 7th day after creation and commanded us to observe it as a day of rest) So if u must pay/give tithe you must also observe d sabbath and every iota of d law.

  Tithing was a minor part of the law (as confirmed by Jesus himself) but we're not under under d law but under grace. If u really want to understand and confirm wether we are to give tithe or not, study Paul's gospels and you will see that this issue arose even those days. D jews in d time of Paul were compelling d gentiles to be circumcised and keep d law, but Paul was angry and told them they need not keep d law.

  It amazes and amuses me how pentecostal pastors are quick to jump to d old testament when it comes to issues of money but are quick to declare we're no longer under d law when it comes to other issues (like keeping d sabbath, not eating unclean food, observing all d feasts etc). Some even say 'tithing is d secret to your prosperity'. Makes me wonder how many pple in d worlds' richest 100 pple paygive tithes!

  For those who still insist on giving/paying tithe here's my advice:

     The levitical priesthood is no more, and we have  1 high priest, Jesus (whose priesthood is after d order of melchizedek, whom abraham gave his one-off tithe). D question now arises- how do you give your tithe to Jesus? Remember, He said if you give to d poor you've given to him. So plz if u're convinced to pay tithe, give it to d poor and needy! Guess your pastor won't find this funny

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This question has been answered, there is no record in scripture to that regard that they did of which l have explained from scripture why the principle of tithong still lives on. The problem we have here (and this has always been the problem with many religious folks)- they cloud their understanding of scripture with sentiments. In the first place l should be one fighting and contesting it becoz the money l give as tithe is mine so l shpuld know and understand what and why l am giving my money for so that necessitated my personal research and study of the subject.

@Zikkyy

Nobody is contesting the superiority of the office with Christ Jesus, you its amazing how some you reason God to be, it only shows that you have not really come to discover the true character of the person of God. For instance when Jesus said to the jews that He was one with the Father and that He came from above and they wanted to stone on the grounds that He being a man make Himself equal with God. But question was that what God thought? Well perhaps you can answer the question correctly now but they were to pldge their lives in defence of their ignorance but how wrong they were, this could be one those scenerios.

Look at scriptures without sentiments. Thank you

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Pastor JoAgbaje,

Maybe you can start by educating me on who the book of Malachi was addressed to before you take me to school on Abram's one time tithe (of WAR BOOTY) to Melchizedek the king of Salom (later day promise land) or why the Bible never recorded Jacob actually paying what he promised (two different forms), these also happen to differ from the Deuteronomy tithe system.

We understand a lot of big time "Churches" have huge budgets these days but that's not a reason to twist the Word of God for financial gain or stability.

Jesus paid the PRIZE on the cross and removed the need for a "Priest" between God and man (signified by the curtain of the temple being ripped to reveal the "holy of hollies"

I don't see Jesus make any mention of TITHE below do you?

Matthew 25:34-40

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or Unclad, and clothed thee?

39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

These truly are the last days as stated in Matthew 24 and may God help us all.

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As much as I agree with you that no one should be threatened with the issue of tithe. And Malachi was not written for gentilel. But the issue of tithing gies beyond the law . And God has never at any time condemned it. He condemned many activities under the law. And threes is no single scripture where God spoke against tithe. It continues , as long as there is a high priest .

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When someone calls the Word of God 'nonsense', knowing fully well where it is in the Bible. When he exalts his friend above the Word, by agreeing that the OT(at least) is a fraud. You immediately sense that such a one MUST not be taken seriously in spiritual matters.

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To the OP

I ask again, did Jesus and the apostles have their bathe? Prove it!

I thought i'd said it here before, but i'll say it again. That something wasn't 'written' in scriptures doesn't automatically mean that it didn't happen, or that it's false, or the assumption that scriptures must disagree by default. Jesus' obvious regard for the law should tell you that He FULFILLED it.

Matthew 5v17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The same can be said for the apostles.

Acts 24v14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing ALL things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Or are you insinuating that they broke the law? (seeing you can't see tithes as beyond the law).

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^^^ You are not God neither are your "MOGs"

Kunle was right and you are WRONG!

Freewill giving is not even restricted to the "Church" or to Christians, you can give whom ever you please or as your spirit/heart leads you not the kind of nonsense one hears on the pulpit these days about " will a man rob God, " Malachi wasn't even written for the Gentile or Christian, you guys know this and deliberately steal or don't know it and don't care to know it due to PROFIT motive.

You all need to repent before it's too late.

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A sincere happy NEW year from me to everybody, as in EVERY. I pray you find joy and true happiness this year and through out life.

On to 'business'. I'm back on nl and i barely see any thread that interests moi, so make i play small for here.

When someone posts;

thought this. How would a christian ever say that? Does he not know that at least, there was a time when God included it in law? Was God fraudulent to mankind?

Warming up for the year, it's a good year already!

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It seems the charity of today's nigerian churches is nothing more than  giving  than to motherless babies homes.

The charity of the church suppose to touch the heart of unbelievers and make them praise God.

Matthew 5:16

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.

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1 Corinthians 9:13-14

13 Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar  share in the sacrificial offerings? 14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.

When you read the whole chapter, you would notice that Paul didn't use most of his rights so as to be blameless before the people.

The problem we have today is that those rights are ABUSED.

I expect schools owned by churches/pastors in Nigeria to be free or at least affordable but the average can't afford it not to mention the poor.   It seems today's christianity is somehow selfish. Anyway, I have to pay my 'tithe' (freewill offering) to support the spreading of the gospel.

I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD BE BOTHERED BY THIS TITHE ISSUE; BUT SYSTEMATIC STUDY OF THE BIBLE CONCERNING THIS, MAKES IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE NOT TO 'TITHE'. RATHER WE SHOULD GIVE OF OUR OWN FREE WILL.

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Hebrew 7:2.To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all;

In the above scripture we find that Abraham did not give tithes under command, or according to some law, but he freely gave from the heart a tenth of all. So this shows us that tithes was not apart of the order of the priesthood while it was with Melchisedec, but tithes was added as a command according to the law at a later date in verse 5 (below) when the sons of Levi receive the the office of the priesthood. It does not indicate what type of law, but you see the surface of this law when the sons of Levi receive the priesthood.

Hebrew 7:5. They that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law,

I don't see where Melchisedec received the priesthood, but we have proof that the sons of Levi received this office of the priesthood, but it does not indicate who they received it from. I'm thinking the sons of Levi may have received the priesthood office from Melchisedec b/c he is the only 1 that I see that has a priesthood office that is before them.

Hebrew 7:12. For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Although CHRIST priesthood is after the order of Melchisedec it does not mean that it is the same priesthood. It is true that Melchisedec abide a priest continually, but CHRIST THE LORD is our HIGHEST PRIEST and MEDIATOR.

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Mr/madam Newmi, how can the priesthood of Christ be structured after that of man? You insult Christ all because of money? The ‘order of Melchizedek’ does not imply that Melchizedek priesthood was of the same status as that of Christ. There is only one eternal priesthood, one mediator between God and man – Christ. I know you desperately want to justify your tithing activities, but please stop insulting the Lord.

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The Question really is not whether or not (it is recorded) Jesus Christ and His Disciples paid tithes, the most important and foundamental fact is simply what l have earlier on stated which is that tithing is one of the several practises that stretches beyond the abrogation of the law, not only because it is based on principle but because it pre-exhisted the introduction and reign of the law.

l stated that the priesthood of our great Lord and High Priest- Jesus Christ is structured after that of a (man) we bearly know much about because very few is revealed to us in the scripture concerning this larger than life figure called Melchizedek

Hebrews 5:6

"As he saith also in another [place]. Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek"

And thank God one of the very few revealed information recorded for us about this "King-Priest" and the dimension and style in terms of activity and function characterized with the order of his priesthood is that record of tithing recorded in Gen 14:18-20. Who knows perhaps this was recorded to preparing our hearts for questions like this in years to come because the bible tells us that "all scripture is given by the inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works". (2Timothy 3:16-17). so if the Spirit of God deemed it ncessary to inspire holy men like the writer of this account we have in Genesis 14 to preserve this account for us, then its for the purpose for which we are told the Holy Spirit inspires scriptures as we read in 2 Tim 3:16-17.

The priesthood of Jesus Christ is for ever just like that of Melchizedek not like that of the Aaronic order and we see that tithing was a part of his priestly order; he received tithes as the Priest (perhaps that may be the reason why there is no record of Jesus Christ giving tithes)

The question again l repeat is not whether or not Jesus or/and His disciples gave tithe but rather we understand that based on scripture tithing is a part of the priestly order of Jesus Christ. Do you agree that we don't know every thing why not imagine if perhaps this is one of those things you have not seen from this perspective. This is based on scripture and not any man's theology and idea.

My thanks goes particularly to melijah77 for the manner with which he has maturely responded to post.

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^^^ Akhozem:What is "unlearned" about what Kunle wrote?

Why don't you back up the "tithe is not a scam" belief among some of you folks with actual Bible quotes?

Be sure to EXCLUDE Malachi because that ain't for you and I (Maybe you're from the tribe of Levi)

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Talk like a learned man for once

stop trying to spread nonsense around

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If a person want to pay tithes out of there own free will, it's ok. It's not a sin to pay tithes. I disagree with alot of church leaders who teaches that you should pay tithes under New Testament Laws when there is no solid proof.

I believe that all of our giving under the New Covenant has been modified under 1 word, "offerings" b/c we have solid proof that offerings took care of everyone.

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Tithing remains the longest standing and biggest institutionalized fraud in the history of mankind.

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why can't anyone paste a single bible passage where christians paid tithe to buttress their arguments.There was nothing like tithe in the first 500 yrs of christianity until it was instituted by the council of macon in 585 CE

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Tithe is 10% of your income.

The disciples were not receiving any income as in work done. http://www.ilovegodsite.com/2010/12/greater-glory-moving-to-next-level.html.

And sincerely as believers, we have much more important things discussing as searching for than weather Jesus and the apostles did paid tithe or not. remember the bible (new testament especially) is not a full detailed experience of the disciples. there are many things that are not included. therefore when it comes to tithe or no tithe, Malachi 2 is our major reference - http://www.ilovegodsite.com/

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As I said earlier, Jesus came against certain teachings of the law. Eg sabbath, vengeance , hating your friends etc. But he never said anything about tithing negatively. The only time he mentioned it , it was an endorsement. He said rites should be given and other things should not be neglected.

Paul also contrasted the new testament ministry of the church to the old testament ministry in the temple. The work of the ministry was fuelled by the tithes and offerings from the people and also the welfare of the sanctuary workers. The priests In the office were supported through the tithes and offerings.

Malachi 3:8-10 says

Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. . . . Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that[ there shall] not[ be room] enough[ to receive it].

1 Corinthians 9:13-14

Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live[ of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

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Since the New Covenant has been given by GOD/CHRIST why don't we let that be our judge according to what has been carried over and what has not been carried over from the laws in the O.T, Do you think if tithes was to be enforced in the New Testament that we would have some form of confirmation as other scripture in the New Testament obviously confirm back to the Old Testament? Now, we see where offerings confirm from the N. T. back to the O. T., but there is nothing in the N.T. that I see confirms tithes.

P.S. Reminder, try and be careful with other translations b/c some changes the meaning of the King James Version.

Have a commandment to take tithes of the people ACCORDING TO THE LAW. What this means to me is that whatever law they were under, it was instituted (established) as a commandment according to that law for them to take tithes. I'm thinking that this was established by Abraham since he was the first to pay a tenth of everything to the Priest Melchisedec.

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