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Do any atheists argue that Atheism IS Science?

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This is where you really lose me. For one servants and farmers(fishermen) would have no need of knowing how to read and write so how could they write the bible? They weren't even of the position to read or write since only specific types of people were able to at that time. Literacy level was very very low at that time and only a few could read and write all of which belong to some kind of ruling class or the wealthy class. Common fisher men could not read talk-less of write at that time because they common fisher men were uneducated.

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atheism is not science but athiests believe in scientific facts for the creation of the planet rather ran belief in fairytale bible stories.

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Science does not only confirm the Bible it is striving to catch up with it.

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[li]The Bible (2000-3000 years ago) 

The earth is a sphere       

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[li]Science Then:

The earth was a flat disk[/li]

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[li]Science Now:

The earth is a sphere[/li]

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But what did Isaac Newton, a real scientist say about atheism:

"Atheism is so senseless."

and Dwight Eisenhower, who said this about atheism:

"It takes no brains to be an atheist. Any silly person can deny the existence of a supernatural power because man's physical senses cannot detect it. But there cannot be ignored the influence of conscience, the respect we feel for the Moral Law the mystery of first life . . . or the marvelous order in which the universe moves about us on this earth. All these evidence the handiwork of the beneficent Deity . . . That Deity is the God of the Bible and Jesus Christ, His Son."

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When you write a letter, do you write the letter or does the pen write it? Obviously you do, the pen is merely the instrument you use. God used men as instruments to write His letter to humanity. They ranged from kings to common fishermen, but the 66 books (and not more) of the Bible were all given by inspiration of God. The evidence that the Bible is supernatural can be seen with a quick study of its prophecies.

And if you feel that you know what the Bible contains then read the story of what happened to a man who took the Bible forgranted. A young man once received a letter from a lawyer stating that his grandmother had left him an inheritance. To his astonishment, it was $50,000 plus "my Bible and all it contains."

The youth was delighted to receive the money. However, he knew what the Bible contained, and because he was not into religion he didn't bother to open it. Instead, he put it on a high shelf. He gambled the $50,000 and over the next fifty years he lived as a pauper, scraping for every meal. Finally he became so destitute, he had to move in with his relatives. When he cleaned out his room, he reached up to get the dusty old Bible from the shelf. As he took it down, his trembling hands dropped it onto the floor, flinging it open to reveal a $100 bill between every page. The man had lived in penury, simply because of his prejudice. He thought he knew what the Bible "contained."

So, if I were you I will not take the Bible forgranted. It is fresher than tomorrow's newspaper and a mine of gold to those who treasure it.

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The problem with an average african is they only believe they are going to die until some tells them (herbalist) they are old and ill. So no more comment

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Just imagine  he said his mum was there and has a cousin there presently. Whatelse do you want you sounded like my 7 year old nephew. The fool confrimed it from his mum i confirmed it from the tourist conductor/ read historical books on mount camel on a pilgrimage to Isreal 2 years ago.

The problem is both of you are just mere saddist period. So i rest my case.

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^^^ he said his mum was there and has a cousin there presently. Whatelse do you want?.

You on the other hand have never been to isreal,don't even have a strand of hair related to you there and you boldly declare it doesn't rain on mt carmel. You are the one being foolish.

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so you haven't been to ISREAL, then you are a fool to start with.

AND YOU ARE A FABRICATOR OF LIES FULL STOP.

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You can't just come to a public forum and make VERY false assertions all in your quest to lie for Jesus and expect people to accept it. When I saw your post, I was surprised and I asked my Mum(She is a non practicing Jew and had lived in Israel for 5 years in the 70's) if it was true, she said it is not true and has never heard about that claim before, She only said that it doesn't rain much in Israel. I called one of my cousins in Israel and he was the one that told me that he once worked in the accounting department of the university of Haifa which is located on the top of Mount Carmel He also corroborated what my mum said that even though it doesn't rain much in Israel, when ever it rains, it rains on the university premises(the university is located on the top on mount carmel). Get your facts right and stop lying for Jesus on a public forum.

This is what your link says

Of course once the claims of the bible has been exposed to ne lies, you throw this meaninglessness line that people do not understand the bible. The bible said that fire will burn in a place forever, It did not so deal with that false prophecy.

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My friend Huxley, We are on saying the same thing, so i am yet to see where we differ. Yes science (according to MN) only provide, sought and accept ONLY natural means and explanation, so anything out side that( including supernatural and God)  cannot be said to be science.

Yes MN does not explicitly say God and the Supernatural does not exist ( in fact science does not categorically say anything does not exist), what its asserts is the God factor is not necessary to explain existence or the workings of the universe, and thus the existence of a God or Gods is incompatible with science. THIS IS THE SAME POSITION TAKEN BY ATHEISTS. If you read all my posts, i had never said God does not exist, what i say is that God does not need to exist. You allow Pilgim.1 to distract you with her word play and gymnastics.

Now Huxley, what ever you call it, science by its very definition does not recognize something that is unmeasurable, unrecordable, unanalyseable and unexperimentable. They should call it something else - maybe spiritology but definitely not science.

@ Pilgrim.1,

You always amaze me with your accusations, you say i am  making an unfounded statement by equating science with atheism.  You now make your own unfounded statement by saying that the Wikipedia quote does not lead to the inference that science is opposed to theism. If you say that science is not opposed to atheism then lets go over the basic assertions of both;

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Science

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Religion

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Universe came about as a result of the Big Bang and earth formed after some 12 billion years

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Heaven and Earth came about as a result of pronouncements from God in Six days

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Life started through evolution by simple elements combining to form nucleic acids and finally a self replicating system - DNA, then after billions of years evolving to form all the diverse life on earth - including humans

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God created all animal and plant life from his pronouncements but made Man from dust and woman from a rib from the man, all in a days work.

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The natural universe follows a set of laws, some known and some yet to be known, whereby certain actions and processes lead to a fairly predictable outcome.

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The universe depends on the wimps and caprices of a God or inter play of gods, and out came of actions and processes cannot be predictable.

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These are just basic outline of the opposing views of science and theism. there are hundreds more. So please can you explain to me science is not opposed to theism.

Because an scientist is an individual, and as an individual he can believe in a God or a set of gods, that was why i said that ATHEISM IS NOT NECESSARILY SCIENCE. That is why i get annoyed when you attempt to use the belief of one atheist to equate the beliefs of all atheists since the dawn of history. If we look closely enough you will find out that no two people have exactly the same set of beliefs. If we apply the same logic to Christians  you will find so many variety and opposing beliefs. I have been to a church that not only accepts divorce but alllows a man to have more that one wife, while i have met Muslims who vows never to have more than one wife. Also beliefs among Christians on trinity, revelation, drinking of alcohol, heaven, what happens immediately after death  and hundreds of other beliefs differ among individuals, even of the same congregation.     

Ps: I made an error in typing atheist instead of scientist, meaning an atheist is not necessarily a scientifically minded person.

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My friend Huxley, We are on saying the same thing, so i am yet to see where we differ. Yes science (according to MN) only provide, sought and accept ONLY natural means and explanation, so anything out side that( including supernatural and God)  cannot be said to be science.

Yes MN does not explicitly say God and the Supernatural does not exist ( in fact science does not categorically say anything does not exist), what its asserts is the God factor is not necessary to explain existence or the workings of the universe, and thus the existence of a God or Gods is incompatible with science. THIS IS THE SAME POSITION TAKEN BY ATHEISTS. If you read all my posts, i had never said God does not exist, what i say is that God does not need to exist. You allow Pilgim.1 to distract you with her word play and gymnastics.

Now Huxley, what ever you call it, science by its very definition does not recognize something that is unmeasurable, unrecordable, unanalyseable and unexperimentable. They should call it something else - maybe spiritology but definitely not science.

@ Pilgrim.1,

You always amaze me with your accusations, you say i am  making an unfounded statement by equating science with atheism.  You now make your own unfounded statement by saying that the Wikipedia quote does not lead to the inference that science is opposed to theism. If you say that science is not opposed to atheism then lets go over the basic assertions of both;

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Science

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Religion

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Universe came about as a result of the Big Bang and earth formed after some 12 billion years

[/td][td]

Heaven and Earth came about as a result of pronouncements from God in Six days

[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]

Life started through evolution by simple elements combining to form nucleic acids and finally a self replicating system - DNA, then after billions of years evolving to form all the diverse life on earth - including humans

[/td][td]

God created all animal and plant life from his pronouncements but made Man from dust and woman from a rib from the man, all in a days work.

[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]

The natural universe follows a set of laws, some known and some yet to be known, whereby certain actions and processes lead to a fairly predictable outcome.

[/td][td]

The universe depends on the wimps and caprices of a God or inter play of gods, and out came of actions and processes cannot be predictable.

[/td][/tr]

[/table]

These are just basic outline of the opposing views of science and theism. there are hundreds more. So please can you explain to me science is not opposed to theism.

Because an atheist is an individual, and as an individual he can believe in a God or a set of gods, that was why i said that ATHEISM IS NOT NECESSARILY SCIENCE. That is why i get annoyed when you attempt to use the belief of one atheist to equate the beliefs of all atheists since the dawn of history. If we look closely enough you will find out that no two people have exactly the same set of beliefs. If we apply the same logic to Christians  you will find so many variety and opposing beliefs. I have been to a church that not only accepts divorce but alllows a man to have more that one wife, while i have met Muslims who vows never to have more than one wife. Also beliefs among Christians on trinity, revelation, drinking of alcohol, heaven, what happens immediately after death  and hundreds of other beliefs differ among individuals, even of the same congregation.

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OK, I see what you mean, but I think the phrasing is rather unfortunate. Atheism is NOT science, and Science is NOT atheism. However, science is guided by the principle of methodological naturalism (MN). MN is the principle that, in the conduct of science ONLY natural means and explanation will be provided, sought and accepted.

NOTE that MN does NOT say that the supernatural does not exist. MN is silent about the supernatural - it neither accepts nor denies the supernatural.

Now, to discuss the supernatural or the natural, one needs to invoke a different doctrine, that of Philosophical Naturalism (PN) or Metaphysical Naturalism (MPN). PN (or MPN) is in the business of addressing the question of natural and supernatural.

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Lol, this is not disturbing. . . perhaps dear huxley can now see an example of an atheist who makes unfounded statements in equating science with atheism.

The Wikipedia quote does not lead to the inference that science is opposed to theism - you make that huge 'leap of faith' because you already made a fallacy of assuming "science is atheism". Sure, we know that atheism is opposed to theism; but 'science' is not atheism and does not stand opposed to theim.

Both theism and atheism are worldviews - or simply, 'belief systems'.

On the other hand, science is not a worldview or 'belief system' - as such, both theists and atheists re engaged in the practice of science. I don't know where anyone could be called a scientist on the basis of whether he is an atheist, because that would leave you to explain how MANY theists are also scientists. The idea that 'science is atheism' is the biggest fallacy going in all possible worlds.

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RELIGION AND SCIENCE

"When religion attacks science it is like trying to cut down the tree of truth with the hatchet of falsehood. It is unfortunate for Christianity that it was founded on the book of Genesis. A scientific fact is higher authority today than a religious fable. Science has found so many facts that contradict the stories of Genesis that to accept these stories as divine truth is to make falsehood the word of God.

The one particular enemy of every religion is science. With merciless labor her votaries have dethroned one after another idol of man. Science has no creed, no dogmas. Her search is for facts, and on these she stands. If what is discovered by lovers of truth is contrary to the tenets of religion, such tenets must be abandoned, for what is scientifically false cannot be religiously true.

The Christian church is built upon a lot of divine say-soes. Science has found that these say-soes are not so. The only honest thing for Christians to do is to give up the book of Genesis as a reliable record. What men have said that God has said is not necessarily sacred. Men may have lied, and lies are not holy. Christianity has been afraid of the divine name. What it has found in the name of God it has blindly worshiped as the word of God. This silly action has been a prolific source of mischief. Faith has carried on its innocent back a thousand impositions through fear to doubt.

Science has not found the name of God in the earth or in the heavens. It has ignored the guide-board which the priest of religion nailed to the Bible, "this book shows the way to truth," and has studied the volume of Nature instead. Whatever it has found has been told. What may be honestly inferred from the facts of science is that all religions are humbugs, and that Christianity is a fraud."

-Lemuel K. Washburn

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SCIENCE AND THEOLOGY

"Every day we are told of some wonderful discovery of science. But what has theology discovered? The scientist is searching for the truth; the theologian is trying to save his idols. Of all the great inventions and discoveries that go to make human life easier, happier, more rich and glorious, not one can be laid to the work of theology. These triumphs all belong to science. Some day the world will become wise enough to confess that the priest is of no benefit to mankind. The investigator, the student, the inventor, is the true philanthropist, the real benefactor. He finds what is useful to his race, what adds comfort and joy to existence. Science is the hope of the world, the only savior that humanity has had down the ages or will have as man lives on through the centuries."

-Lemuel K. Washburn

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Live a life out of being gullible.

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Man wrote the bible but directed by the Holy Spirit hence you will never agree to this because you first need a brain reformation and which will take a real bible study of 2 to 3 months..

A proven fact to what tell me, anyway i will answer your question in a simple form.

(1) Mount camel in isreal, Prophet Elijah cursed it not to rain on the mountain forever and today when it rains in the surrounding areas it doesn't reaches the mountain top; this is over 2200 years ago (2) River Jordan still there (iii) Nazereth and of recent some divers found some of Pharaoh's chariot's debris, the whole city of Jerusalem name it.

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This comment just makes me laugh there you are having a go at someones grammer and yet you have come out with load of jargons, what a plonker, how can you even compare science to ahteism.

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yes i did. did u state the basis of both atheistic beliefs?

do u have a reading and comprehension problem? if according to u, atheism is not science, what EXACTLY is the basis of ur atheistic belief?

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somebody should pls talk sense here

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What a load of rubbish,

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So who wrote the bible itself, God or man? By the way the original bible was written in accient latin, which was translated by the cathloic, do you not think that words have been mixed up in the first place.

Surely if you can give any explanation in the bible that is a proven fact, then you have got me am afraid you can't do that.

I rest my case

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Sorry you dont have belief in God if you do you wont question is presence. The bible is the proof

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Did you not see the definitions I gave above?

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Scienetist belief in science but atheist believes in nothing. Hence there are many scientist who believes in God.

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The question is, if atheism is not science, what then is it? (from ur perspective). is that too difficult to answer?

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Pardon me, but is that the question of the thread? What is wrong with you? Please, stick to the question of the thread or incur some caustic insults which I shall save until you try to derail the thread again.

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What does Velocity and Gravity have to do with believing in God, can you try to elaborate what you mean, I dont' see any relation.

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How can any one compare atheism to science, its just ludicrous to even think of it. I have strong believe in science, and yet I believe in God, although I have my own views, just like Charles Darwin believed that human existence was based on evolution of  life, there is still a side of me that believe there has to be a God, as science can't explain the big bang theory, just has the bible said, so does science it all started with a Big Bang, and life started.

But yet there is still no proof that God exist, but yet we all still fall to our news and go to church every weekend praying that God helps us in our every day life.

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Do u argue that atheism IS science?

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Did you see anywhere in the question that my own opinion was required?

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on what basis have u always asserted ur ridiculous atheistic postulations, silly?

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@Huxley

spell out your own understanding/definition of an atheist and i will treat your post.

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This is idiotic. Make an argument, not just an assertion, silly.

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what then have atheists been hiding under?

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