do christian need to curse anyone in other to defend jesus death and resoraction ? many curse.
do christian need to curse anyone in other to defend jesus death and resoraction ? many curse.
Many thanks to all that has contributed to this topic, also i want to say a big sorry to as many that does not understand the question. i didnt expect d question to generate arguement as contain in most replies. my question is directly to christians "that as christ's desciples do u need to curse or fight to convince unbeliever about christ's death and resurrection? i think as a beleivers while preaching, your words should state FACTS about Jesus death and resurrection with reference to scripture. Conversion is of the Lord. u need not to argue the truth.
i will also say that " u can not change a truth'' nothing can be done against the truth either u believe it or not. FACT NEEDS NOT TO BE DEFENDED BECAUSE IT HAS IT PROVE.
I WILL SUBMIT HERE THAT WHETHER U BELIEVE IT OR NOT JESUS CHRIST WAS DEATH, RESURRECTED AND WILL SOON COME BACK, IT IS A FACT. YOUR BELEIVE CANNOT CHANGE IT.
MAY GOD ENLIGHT US ALL ON THIS TRUTH.
Maybe no one notices this trend that, the muslims go ahead and start a topic against christianity and when we come up to answer their responses, some "xxxxxxs" thinks we are being "unrighteous" in our responses and inputs, being "un-christianly" here and all the jargons they keep mumbling up, to suit their taste and ignorance.
@ blabs 787,
Go ahead and act out what thou art well known for! Your size of responses are well packaged!
am leaving this thread and opening a new one tagged "was jesus crucified"
the reason for opening a new thread is for (probably) people to contribute and read everything.
like i said in one of the threads, after each write up, question(s) will be posed at you in which at the end of the day, we will altogether agree whether he was crucified or not.
It's very vivid from the Islamic Scripture, that muslims now never understood the religion they were trying to copy in order to legitimize theirs, which of course, leads them into heaps of discrepancies.
If muhammad said the Jews Scriptures were corrupted because they failed to believe in Christ, therefore, all Scriptures written before that time must therefore be true, Also, muhammad said christians corrupted the gospels because they didn't believe in him, therefore all scripture written before his time must still be true.
All of which still exists, and it is easy to compare our scripture to those to prove that nothing has changed, and therefore Muhammad's statement is false, and shows again proof that he never gave it much thought.
Besides, during Muhammad's whole life, nobody even heard of him, it wasn't till later after his death, and the caliphs that followed began their crusades across the holy-lands did Muhammad got to be known, for his marauding attrocites!
No wonder they had hadith, which has been called various names here as been weak, fake etc, by even our loved muslim brothers and sisters here!
For those accusing the Bible of having been corrupted, I have a few questions:
John 1:1 - "In the beiginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"
Psalm 2:12 - "Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him"
Isaiah 9:6 - "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
#1. what did the original Bible say in John 1:1, Psalm 2:12, and Isaiah 9:6 before Muhammad was born?
#2. who exactly "corrupted" the verses in John 1:1, Psalm 2:12, and Isaiah 9:6 according to Muhammad's accusation?
#3. In what year exactly were John 1:1, Psalm 2:12, and Isaiah 9:6 'corrupted' as accused by Muhammad against the Bible?
#4. What "Psalms" did Muhammad refer to when he stated in the Qur'an that Allah gave the Psalms unto David [Sura 4:163 - ". . and to David We gave the Psalms."]? What exactly did the Psalms say, and how many chapters were they?
#5. Why did Muhammad not mention Isaiah in the Qur'an as one of the prophets of God, even though the Jews recognized him as such, and Jesus quoted from the same Isaiah? See -
Matt. 13:14 - "And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive."
Acts 8:30 - "And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?"
If Muslims have investigated Muhammad's accusations and found them untenable, would they be willing to admit that Muhammad was not telling the truth?
babs,I'll like you to read this,let's get to facts now not hear say.I know God'll open your eyes one of these days.
Christians and Jews did not alter their Scriptures based on historic evidence. Many manuscripts of early copies of the Bible were discovered through the years, and were found to match the text we have now. Here are some of these famous manuscript:
The Sinaitic - It was written in the middle of the fourth century, about 270 years before Islam. It contains the whole of the New Testament and a large part of the Old Testament. It is now kept in the British Museum
The Alexandrian - It was written in the early fifth century, more than 200 years before Islam. It contains the whole Bible, except a few pages that have been lost. It is also kept in the British Museum.
The Vatican - It was written in the early fourth century, about 300 years before Islam. It contains the whole Bible. It is now kept in the Vatican Library at Rome.
These and other manuscripts such as Codex Ephraemi and the Dead Sea Scrolls and the thousands of other copies or part of copies of the early Bibles prove beyond doubt that the Bible could not possibly be altered or corrupted.
you are perfectly correct, we are both guilty.
the entire muslim world do not believe in the crucifixion of jesus christ. not only in the quran do we have verses debunking the claim but we also have verses in the bible kicking against same too.
you don't need to curse in order to make people believe you.
but you didnt quote from the GOSPEL OF BARNABAS, why?
babyosis, don't get me wrong, one of the reasons for saying the above is that, those that claimed to be eye witnesses were not there, they fled the scene and as result of their fleeing, the stories given by each contradicted each other.
so let me know, i have some questions for you and if you are able to answer them, i will 100% agree that he was killed, we are all learning.
cheers and my regards to shahan.
When you say curse what exactly do you mean? Are you talking about when christians make moslems look evil because they don't believe that Jesus died and was resurrected?
Well, that shouldn't be the approach if that is what you mean by cursing, but at the same time moslems are guilty of the same problem.
another non Christian source.
The second century Greek satirist Lucian, though speaking derisively of Jesus and the early Christians, does establish the worship of Christ within the first century of his death. "The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day, the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account, You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains the contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take quite on faith, with the result that they despise all worldly goods, alike, regarding them merely as common property."
RECORDED IN THE TALMUD
The Talmud, which consists of Jewish traditions handed down orally from generation to generation, was organized by Rabbi Akiba before his death in 135 A.D. The writings in the Talmud embrace the legal, ritual and exegetical commentaries that have developed right down to contemporary times. In Sanhedrin 43a, reference to Jesus is found. "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Any one who can say anything in his favor, let him come forward and plead on his behalf. But since nothing was brought forward in his favor, he was hanged on the eve of the Passover."If Jesus had been stoned, his death would have been at the hands of the Jews. The fact he was crucified shows that the Romans intervened. The Talmud also speaks of five of Jesus' disciples and recounts their standing before judges who made individual decisions about each one, deciding that they should be executed. No deaths are recorded.
Other Talmud references to Jesus indicated that Jesus was "treated differently from others who led the people astray, for he was connected with royalty." These Talmud accounts were written long before the New Testament was assembled. They provide clear evidence that Jesus did live. The Talmud does not embrace Christ as a deity and would have no reason to sanction his existence. The Talmud also states that Jesus was 33 or 34 years old when he died. The risen Christ is the foundation of Christianity. But Christ would have to have lived and died before His resurrection could become an historical factor.