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Do We Have To Tolerate Athiest?

I was on the net 2day and met this atheist. I was really shocked at certain things she said.

She claimed first of all the Bible is a fiction. Mean a fiction like Harry Potter and that all the things in it has been fabricated.

She really have some interesting believes about Jesus Christ. For example, she claims Jesus Christ did not die but went into a coma. She believes when Jesus mixed saliva with sand to heal the blind, that was staged and not the truth. She likewise believe Jesus planned with so many people and making those claims of miracles.

I really talked to her much and most of the times, whatever she was saying happened for this world to become alive was by coincidence. She meant 'the evolution nonsense'.

My question therefore is 'Do we allow this people to pollute the minds of our growing young?'

Imagine this scenario whereby everyone believes there is no God. People will do things without their conscience again.

Its really sad!

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Intolerance for other humans does more to deny the existence of (a purposeful) God than to affirm it.

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Sorry to burst your bubble but the bible IS fiction. Although it's a little better than Harry Potter. I'll give y'all some credit. Jesus was the Bob Marley of his time. Wish I'd met him, we'd have smoked together. Barbaric dumbf[i]u[/i]ck, that's what he is.

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Who cares who you want to tolerate? Atheists do not need your permission to live.

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I support OP. We should take up our swords and kill all the atheists. And maybe all other contrarians like mystics, traditionalists, stargazers, Satanists, and Moslems. The world will become just perfect!

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we cnt all be religious some one has to be an athiest, n if dats my choice hw d eff does that affect u or ur religion

jst cos someone has an alternative view on a subject means the person is polluting the minds of the so called youths

if any thing it is religion that has polluted the minds of the youths, there r enof divisions in this world, religion just makes every thing worst

look at nigeria, one major polllutant is christianity, i cnt speak 4 islam cos ive never been a muslim, but when i see the way christianity has been used as a tool to repress the conciousness of the population---i honestly feel like setting fire to a few churches----i wont do that of cos---cos every one is entitled to their own believes

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Man and Religion. I know It's hard to swallow the pill of "when you're gone, you're gone" ; but just take time out to think this issue out properly. Is this world really just a few thousand years old ? Are we here today cos a Unclad woman talked to a snake ? If you can pull yourself out from the system and be a neutral observer, you'd be able to see things clearer.

Atheists, non-believers etc should be the ones asking if they should tolerate the ludicrous actions of god believers.

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The real msg has been missed

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I thought English is the official language on NL?

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Based on very careful study and over 200,000 peer reviewed articles and scietific evidence that supports it. We don't have to defend evolution scientist have done that already. I am not a scientist but I have attended a lucture here by Dr Ken Miller who did a very good job defending evolution and providing scientific evidence for it just the way coutless other scientist have. Will you provide just one scientific evidence that supports creationism? Are you not a "scientist"? There are a lot of papers (peer reviewed  papers) that have provided scientific evidence for evolution you can read them up they are all over the net. If you do not believe them you can direct your questions to the writers and show them how wrong they are on their writings and claims about evolution, Are you not a "scientist"? Or don't you know how to write scientific papers to challenge other scientist? Until you do that you should not expect any body to respond to your ridiculous rants about evolution.

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It isnt about creationism either and ditto for majority of the threads here but you are PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE making them about a referendum on God and creationism. Why does it become a problem ONLY when evolution is brought to the fore?

You wont argue evolution with me, neither will huxley or mazaje or bindex or toneyb or tudor . . . i'm not surprised. None of you has ANY IDEA what evolution is all about, for you it is simply a handy alternative to creationism.

I laugh when toneyb keeps crying that evolution is an established fact based NOT on any established evidence but on peer-reviewed papers by members of the NAS. Sometimes you gotta wonder if these folks have a brain.

You dont need NAS papers to prove gravity . . . even my grandfather in the village who never went to school believes it.

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Evolution is "accepted as scientific fact" based on what? Where have you fools EVER defended evolution or provided any scientific arguments to support it? You spend 99.99% of your time crying for scientific explanations on creationism but when it comes to evolution you simply rant on about 99% of NAS folks and then run away.

I haven't been able to elicit anything reasonable from this block-heads ever.

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More rubbish from the illiteracy corner . . . we dont talk about evolution for one reason only - you all have NO CLUE ABOUT IT neither can you reasonably defend it.

You dont believe God exists but you make it a point on EVERY THREAD you post in on the religious section. Why are ye all afraid of debating evolution?

Abegi comot for my road. You were fine with the thread diversion UP UNTIL you and your fellow atheists ran out of steam.

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Any body that follows his meaningless rants about evolution knows that evolution scares the poo out of him. I have never seen him try to defend creationsm or provided any scientifc argument that supports it. Yet he dis agrees with what 99% of scientist accept as a scientific fact. What a pathetic case. No wonder he is always ranting about evolution.

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you've never been worried talking about creation, why does evolution scare you?

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I dont think you have anything else to say. Come back when you have more substantive points.

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Yet again the argument turns into evolution versus creation, I tire oh!

Do we have to tolerate the atheist oya make una talk

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Quote from :davidylan

imperfect no matter the good it can do.

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yes i do blame god for creating tobacco. It shows a height of irresponsibility on the part of the creator, the same irresponsibility allowed him to keep the ''forbidden fruit" in the garden of eden knowing fully well adam and eve might disobey him. What stops him from relocating the tree somewhere else?. . . .

You keep a gun on the dining table and tell junior: don't touch that gun it's dangerous. Junior later picks up the gun and blasts your husband. Whose responsible?. . . .junior bears some responsibility but the greater goes to you.

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No, you guys like to cloak your ignorance and unbelief with a misrepresentation of science. We look to expose your unclothedness by reaching out to science too.

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The perfect designer also created morphine, a very powerful anti-pain medication used by terminal cancer patients . . . but it can also be abused and become an addiction. Should the perfect designer not include materials simply because you dont have the willpower to use it responsibly?

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I can't adore anyone else but me!

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u know this is false. we only use science to reveal ur ignorance when u hide behind it (science)

ok. so can I ask. why are u an atheist? I expect explicit reasons.

uhmn. . .well stated.

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uhmmm again. Why this embarassment na?

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According to you,Who created tobacco? A perfect designer would know not to include harmful materials in his creation. Except he himself is as foolish as his followers.

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According to you,Who created tobacco? A perfect designer would know not to include harmful materials in his creation. Except he himself is as foolish as his followers.

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I read mazaje's response with my jaws well on the floor . . . i cant believe we still have brainless idiots in the 21st century.

Thou fool read the following points pls in response to the complete idiocy you posted above:

1. Lung disease is truly a leading cause of death among babies less than 1 yr old . . . that is because with increasing technology a lot more babies are now born PREMATURE (at least 10 weeks before the normal delivery date)! Human lungs do not fully develop until 2 yrs AFTER birth and the cells responsible for producing surfactant (keeps the air sacs open and prevents atelectasis) are not fully formed in premature babies hence they are at greater risk of developing bronchopulmonary displasia. It has NOTHING to do with smoking you fool.

2. lol i laughed so much at the portion you wrote which i highlighted . . . instead of wasting my precious time on this uneducated buffon i chose to copy/paste this portion from wikipedia - The primary risk factor for COPD is chronic tobacco smoking. In the United States, 80 to 90% of cases of COPD are due to smoking.

My dear . . . try studying first before rushing to grab a computer. You expose your own illiteracy.

3. The grand designer indeed designed our lungs to be very efficient at gas exchange . . . infact 95% of the cells that line the alveolar wall are Type I epithelial cells which are specifically designed for gas exchange. The rest of the airspace is lined with larger type II cells that keep the alveolar wall lubricated and prevents them from collapsing after expiration . . . if you destroy your type I cells from smoking . . . how is that the designers fault?

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I read mazaje's response with my jaws well on the floor . . . i cant believe we still have brainless idiots in the 21st century.

Thou fool read the following points pls in response to the complete idiocy you posted above:

1. Lung disease is truly a leading cause of death among babies less than 1 yr old . . . that is because with increasing technology a lot more babies are now born PREMATURE (at least 10 weeks before the normal delivery date)! Human lungs do not fully develop until 2 yrs AFTER birth and the cells responsible for producing surfactant (keeps the air sacs open and prevents atelectasis) are not fully formed in premature babies hence they are at greater risk of developing bronchopulmonary displasia. It has NOTHING to do with smoking you fool.

2. lol i laughed so much at the portion you wrote which i highlighted . . . instead of wasting my precious time on this uneducated buffon i chose to copy/paste this portion from wikipedia - The primary risk factor for COPD is chronic tobacco smoking. In the United States, 80 to 90% of cases of COPD are due to smoking.

My dear . . . try studying first before rushing to grab a computer. You expose your own illiteracy.

3. The grand designer indeed designed our lungs to be very efficient at gas exchange . . . infact 95% of the cells that line the alveolar wall are Type I epithelial cells which are specifically designed for gas exchange. The rest of the airspace is lined with larger type II cells that keep the alveolar wall lubricated and prevents them from collapsing after expiration . . . if you destroy your type I cells from smoking . . . how is that the designers fault?

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So do christians. Always looking to science to validate their false claims.

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Atheist and christians should stop discussing about science. Leave that for scientists!

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I think I got carried away in writing the subject for this thread. I really believe evryone in this world should be tolerated because this world does not belong to anyone, its God's and if the Good Lord in His own wisdom allow people to live and not believe in Him, who am I to judge anyone. I will not change the subject though for obvious reasons.

Again this thread does not talk about Jesus Christ only. Its non denominational. It can as well be a Muslim, Bhudist, Satanist or whoever. The substance is that our basis for visiting the Church, Mosque, Shrine and the rest has been mocked. I read somewhere that its the fool that says in his heart there is God. Funny though.

I laugh when people make all sorts of this absurd claims that God is responsible for the plight of this world. People should rather check themselves first before they speak. Look at the first people who started casting doubt about the existence of God, scientists. They go to the lab and mix every chemical they see with the excuse of experimentation. So who do you blame if after the end of the day that final product causes the ozone layer to deplete and result in intensive exposure to the sun rays and therefore skin cancer? Who can blame God when people unwittingly keep their surroundings dirty and start dying from Malaria as a result of the breeding of mosquitoes? How can you say God is responsible when you use bad farming practices and as a result cause a famine?

I read one post that questioned why something must die for something to live. Its funny. This world was made primarily for Human Beings. It was perfect until Adam and Eve defiled it. Animals were suppose to eat each other for the Ecosystem to be balanced. Thats not cruelty but pure systemization. In the end Human Beings were not suppose to be food for any animal but rather lord over all creatures.

Everything coming to us is our own making. The Greater One made things perfect for us whilst we decided to defile and destroy everything.

I hope somebody is listening because this earth has and expiry date whereby the creator will make evryone who he sent down here to account fo whatever he/she did.

Good Day

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Yes! we av to tolerate Athiest, buddist, muslims, pagans and what av u?God made provision for every body, the lesbians, gays, heterosexuals, fools, scientologist, satanist. The earth,other planets, solar system, gravity,electromagnetism, floatation, aerodynamics etc.They all part of his GRAND plan and design. HE CREATED THEM ALL, SMALL AND GREAT, BEAUTIFUL AND UGLY, GOOD AND EVIL. Those who ask why some of the GRAND design has flaws do not understand the purpose of the design?can the pot ask the potter why he choose to make him so?can the C-Class benz ask Diamler-chrysler why its different from M-Class, A-Class or E-class?would M-Class ask D-B why it sometimes has suspension problems and was not made to self repair itself instead of going back to service station? U can't question the maker but wait, HE knows about you, before you were born, He knew you and knows u'll turn out this way and ask these puzzling questions. He knows you deny his existence but He is not moved because He has a good plan for u. He'll show HIMSELF to u when HE WILLS but HE surely loves U and ur opinion about HIM doesn't change him or HIS interest in U.

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so much beefing.

This thread now invites all those beefing Noetic , . . . .u are welcome to come and state ur case.

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Have u ever wondered why I never respond to ur posts? u have NEVER made SENSE.

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The human body could be much better designed if it were ever designed by a grand designer, replaceable lung filters to prevent lung disease, teflon lined arteries to avoid arterial blockage, an improvement on our absurdly inefficient digestive system,is it the same designer that poorly designed our eyes?  Is it the same perfect or grand designer that designed the female reproductive system in a way that makes a lot of women to have miscarriages all the time? Spontaneous abortion is a very common experience for women. It is estimated that between 25-50% of conceptions spontaneously abort. Researchers do not have an exact figure due to the fact that when this occurs very early on, many women do not know that they were ever pregnant. More can be learnthere. is it the same perfect designer that designed the universe as it is the intelligent designer that placed a completely different sort of sweat gland in our armpits add proteins and fats to the salt and water of normal sweat that bacterias digest on which leads to body odur?

Is it the same designer that designed the human body in such a way that it cannot make on its own vitamins?  If you do not get enough vitamin D, you contract rickets, which causes soft bones and can lead to terrible deformity. If you do not get enough vitamin C you get scurvy. Dogs produce their own vitamin C internally, so they have no need to get it from outside sources. In fact, almost every animal on the planet makes vitamin C inside its own body. Humans are one of the very few animals (guinea pigs are another) that can't make their own vitamin C. Is it the same grand designer that designed the human body in this way?

Is it the same grand designer that made the human testicles tempreture sensitive? Why didn't he simply design the testicles so that they function at the normal body temperature?  If the testicles functioned at normal body temperature (instead of three degrees cooler) then the testicles could be inside the body like every other organ and be better protected like that of whales and dolphins.

Is it the same grand designer that designed the teeth in a way that it is constantly producing plaque and tarta gums, give us cavities in our teeth?Is it the grand designer that poorly designed our eyes so that SO MANY people are born with natural eye defect? Scientist have shown that our eyes are poorly designed to focus images on the retina which leads to so many people to be born with some form of natural eye defect. is it the grand designer that  designed the human reproductive system so that parents can pass diseases to the innocent offsprings? Is it the grand designer that designed the human reproductive system in such a poor way that leads to birth complications which kills a lot of women?

Why didn't the grand designer design the heart in a better so that heart disease is not one of the number one killer in the world?  Why didn't the grand designer design hair that works, so there is no such thing as male pattern baldness? Why didn't the grand designer design an immune system that works and protects people from diseases? All these flaws in design of the human body bring a lot of sufferings to humans. A grand designer will not design the human body in such a way. The human body is poorly designed. is it the grand designer that design the human body in such a way that babies are born with more than 4,000 different known birth defects that cause them untold pain and suffering?

The reason why the human body contains thousands of mistakes and problems is because there was no grand designer who created the human body. A grand designer would not make all these mistakes and create so much suffering. Nature is the designer. An imperfect and somewhat chaotic natural process has been designing all of the life on this planet, including the human body, for hundreds of millions of years. Every time you brush your teeth and put on your anti-perspirant, you will be reminded that a chaotic and natural process designed your body rather than a grand designer.

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You are not above anybody and will never be. It's not your perogative to choose who speaks and who keeps quiet. You are like any other man and in no way more important. So all you can so is ignore.

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When you talk about polluting the minds of the young ones, then that just depends on what you want to tag the pollutant. This atheist you talked I must admit had some pretty far fetched ideas of Jesus, but then its just as crazy as the stories of the bible.

Should Atheists be tolorated?! Wow! Whats next? Should Muslims, Scientologists, Buddists, Agnostics, e.t.c be tolorated?! In your mind, what do you think should be done to them?!

WHO KNOWS!!

Thats still a mystery that everybody is still trying to figure out!! If you believe that a supreme being created the world in 7 days, why not that we evolved from a single cell? Why not that we came about as a result of a big bang!! The creation theory is just as crazy and unfounded as any other theory out there.

Perfect State?!! Please elaborate. And do include natural disasters, still births, evil, conjoined babies, malformed babies, slow kids, diseases, famine, plagues, e.t.c into this explanation of yours. Also not forgetting the whole garden of Eden thing.

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Open up your mind and start seeng things in 3-D. The world is more complex than the bible makes you beileve.

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Same old broken record . . . and an exhibition of ignorance.

When did the fall of man occur? Do you know? what are the evils that happened "wayyyyyyy" before that fall?

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So were did HIV come from? Did the devil create it?

What about all the "evils" that happen waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before the fall of man?

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this is a flawed argument . . . many of you look too much at the negative side of creation as a sign that God shld not exist. But does it ever occur to you to look at the positives that far outweigh the negative? Ever wondered why the grand designer gave you a liver that can regenerate itself, two eyes instead of one, an intricately designed universe conducive to man's habitation, the gift of intelligence and memory that animals dont have?

The negatives you point out are not "evils" that God allowed into his grand design . . . they are consequences for sin and man's fall from grace. There was no HIV 500 yrs ago . . .

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I think it has to do with ur lack of capacity to understand.

God's presence has been repeatedly described as the fullness of joy, implying that He has made all things perfect in His own time.

The disasters u mentioned definitely reflect the absence of God. were they not foretold?

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Why would a grand designer include natural disaster, diseases, and other evils into his grand design? I just cannot believe that a grand designer would be so absentminded as to make so elementary design flaws.

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Tudor, to start with I believe there is a GOD that created this earth. I find it difficult to believe everything is a coincidence considering the perfect state and balance this world is (was?).

Who can tell me the Ecosystem happened by chance? There is a grand design and if u r not going to go beyond the by chance stuff I know most atheist talk about, forget it.

I think people try to dodge the issue when they say things like 'Its coincidence', 'Its by chance' and stuff. Can you explain why for example living things give birth and instantly their kids know we have to go for our mother's milk? Can that also be coincidenatal or a detailed plan by a Greater Being somewhere. It baffles me why people will want to believe there is no GOD. I think that believe is convenient but might be the costliest.

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Akwasi,The real question should be, can you?

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Am awed 2 b frank. R u kidding me? I thought this girl was been wierd but from this post Im rather being wierd. Jesus! is this how this world has gone?

Guess the order has changed then.

But please educate me. She was not able to convince me about how life began. Can u?

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Poster what you gonna do?. . . . Kill us all?

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The question is whether to tolerate religious people who think like you.From your post,you must have been inside the christian religion cocoon for far too long if you are just hearing that the bible is a book of fiction.

Here is another one to shock your pants off,"There were other saviour gods way before Jesus who did exactly what jesus did."

It is good you met that atheist(even if some his/her claims were wierd) who opened your mind to the real world as it is in the 21st century.

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