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Do White People Take Christianity As Seriously As We Do?

I have been going to church since I came into London 2yrs ago. (Catholic church)

What surprises me is that more of the congregation is made up of black people - especially from Africa.

Only elderly white folks go to church.

Are these not supposed to be the people who brought the religion to us?

They suddenly got tired?

Was it a convinient way of subduing our forefathers?

What is going on?

Some of white guys I spoke to laughed and told me that church is just a nice way Africans network and socialise.

A neat way for sharp people to become billionaires

Whaaaat

I have started thinking about returning to the old traditional ways we have left to suffer and fade away.

Something is fishy.

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Because, most white people aren't superstitious anymore. They are rich and powerful beacause they embraced the enlightenment. But when we can't answer questions we just scream GODDITIT!

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I agree with exu & jagunda

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[b]Religion should wake you up to what is happenning to you. [/B]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

If only that were remotely true.

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Kimba,

The bible says that God has given to each Nation (Race-ethnicity) their own.

But it also says that injustice sweeps it away.

It warns of us a people who would take lands, resources and PEOPLE for themselves, to make themselves rich and safe in this world.

Hab 2:5 And also wine indeed betrays a proud man, and he is not content. He widens his soul like Sheol, and he is like death, and is not satisfied, but gathers all nations to himself, and heaps to himself all the peoples.

Hab 2:6 Shall not all these lift up a parable against him, and a mocking riddle to him, and say, Woe to him who increases what is not his! Until when, then, shall he load the pledges on himself?

Hab 2:7 Shall not those who strike you rise up suddenly, and those who shake you awake, and you become a prize to them?

Hab 2:8 Because you have stripped many nations, all the rest of the people shall strip you; because of men's blood, and the violence of the land, of the city, and of all who dwell in it.

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as I said earlier, the reason for Africa's poverty is not because of Religion or anything. In fact, its good that we take it serious, coz at the end it would matter most. After all the suffering in this world, to go and suffer in eternity?

I believe God has given man an equal opportunity. He is not partial. What is happening now is how best we have made use of the opportunity / how best we are making use of it,

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who cares whether whites blue pink green take christianity seriously or not, i don't. All i care about is i take it serious and if the next man don't, well its up to them, i don't see why i need to make anyone see or accept my belief. Those who don't ,good for you, those who do same to you. WHO CARES WHO CARES  every person for himself at the end of the day. Too much talk, too much story too much explaining, back forth back forth never ending arguements, you will never see it my way and i will never see it your way. If it is point scoring you want, fine you win , you win , it takes nothing from me, nothing from my life. It will never sway me, no one will ever sway you. YOu win , but i still remain with my belief period.

we can nitpick at every turn, pick a point in every arguement, but the bottom line is your response will always reflect your core belief and so would mine, so what do we acheive?

ps

drusilla how are u darlin missed you

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Mazaje,

Religion doesn't make Africa poor.

It tells you where poverty comes from:

Pro 13:23 Much food is in the plowed ground of the poor, but when there is no justice, it is swept away.

The bible says there that the poor has much food in their ground but when injustice (oppression) comes it is taken away.

I believe the bible, Africa has much food for their poor people but injustice or oppression is sweeping it away.

Religion should wake you up to what is happenning to you.

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Nferyn,

That is why they call homosexuals "gay" in America. Because they were telling people to stop suppressing themselves and be free and happy! (gay's true meaning).

More people need to let the bible help them be the guardian of their own suppression, if you ask me.

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@Mazaje

"Karl Marx" a white man said that his self. He is one white man we should take notice of. After all he is related to the people who are the masses.

Mazaje, You say you are confused but I can't see where. Everything you said is right on, I can't see any flaws in what you said.

The question is, what can be done if anything about this matter?

Africans and black people period, will kill you if you try to come and and tell them to get rid of Jeeeeez - us.

To them, that would be blasphemy and their rationale will be that the will of God is that you be gone, in other words dead. At that time, in their mind, God would not have a problem with you being killed - even if your being killed by yet another religious fanatic.

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religion is really the opium of the masses, we are where  we are in africa cos of our religious beliefs, imagine where a 23 year old battered plane crashes and people say its the will of GOD. when people drive recklessly on untared roads and die the still say its God's will. everything is God's will where as in the white man's world its intelligence and smartness that matters not God's will.

our leaders use God to decieve us and steal all our money away. instead of striving to succeed we sit lazily and wait for a divine intervention. we spend hours at churches and moques all to no avail. china's government is atheist  but they just use their common sense to do what is right and serve their people. most of africans government most especially the nigerian government is very religious but yet its the worst government around why is that so? don't u guys believe this idea of religion is just for the white people to use it to get dominion over the earth? cos in the white man's world religion is becoming strange yet development is dwelling there . in africa where religion is the oder of the day people die younger, poverty is the oder of the day and dishonesty is the way of life despite the heavy belief in God. i really am so confused about this religion of a thing.

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Uh, i meant kimba's post should answer it. Typo error.

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Uh, i meant kimba's post should answer it. Typo error.

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@mayor:

ummm . . . .did you happen to read kimba's post in this thread? If u didn't, i suggest u go back some pages and read his 1st post in this thread. That should that, "Africans are the most religious ppl, yet poorest continent" sh*t.

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Drusilla My Dear,

When people are down and out,they look for answers in most unusual places.What better way to deal with your problem than believe that you have would get seven virgins,no pains and Jah would make everyone be high,if you pray very hard and fast twice a day!and would recieve ethernal peace from an unseen benevolent creator

The progress of the western world is devoid of Divine Intervention,the United States wealth is built on exploitation of the weak and powerless.From the Native Americans who were almost wiped out to African Slaves.The modern day America has profited from the manipulation of other countries and stealing of their resources.

Japanese and Chinese development is not based on the worship of either Blue eye Jesus or a Black Jesus born in a cave,neither is their progress based of fasting and shouting 1000 praise thy lord or a million alakubas.It is in fact based on Science and Technolgy,the use of both human and material resources for the benefit of the society.

Its not suprising to see that the most religious people are the least educated,poorest and powerless.

BTW,

The only thing I missed from my absence from Nairaland is YOU,the one and only DRUSILLA.

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White people especially English ppled don't take christianity as we do, even though they were the one who introduced it as uve said, the old whites are the only white who go to church, the others wuld rather go to club on a sunday, but u know what church or no church they are improving and i like their way of life, is not like africa, especially Nigeria, see how we pray and attend crusade and other church and special services, there's still no improvement so what are the prayers for, are Africans praying in vain?

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@ Seun:

rof-lmao! mutual beneficial transaction my black Bottom! That's a nice way of dressing everything!

Guy, forget wetin dem yarn you for school, the sole purpose of any business is to make profit. All that mutual beneficial transaction is just the BS, Oxford dic. will probably make to make it sound nice

*still laughing @ "mutual beneficial transactions"*

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@shango:

Capitalism is about mutually beneficial transactions, not just "money".

Slavery was not mutually beneficial. The words "crime" and "business" are not synonyms.

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Nferyn,

Sure. What's the problem? Smile

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Praise you Lord.

I'm sorry. Mr.Mayor just makes me want to Praise Him. Now that I am reminded of how good God is to poor people to give them hope. To cause them to seek justice.

To cause them to understand that if nobody else cares, God cares and will take care of it in the end.

Praise Him. There is no better way.

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mrmayor,

I can't think of a better way either. God was so good to give us the better way to deal with it.

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Alright. I accept this.

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@Shango

I totally agree with this whole statement.

Damn you ar so right!

Again, I totally agree with you.

Yes white people take Christianity seriously but not in the foolish way that black people do. White people use Christianity to benefit and uplift them as a whole. When white people speak of God, they are speaking of their self.

Black people are actually speaking of some other entity that is better than them. Being that White people colonized and enslaved black people, then gave them white Jesus. Weather black people believe it or not, the entity black people now worship, is white people

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business.

business.

business.

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we Africans readily adopted Christianity from Puritans and missionaries who viewed our populace as barbarians and condemned our native religions and theologies. Why don't we accept wholeheartedly their other imports, like how we are monkeys and the lowest on the human evolutionary scale. Afterall we readily accept and paint a blue eyed white Jesus on murals in our Catholic churches, even though the people of the region in the bible where clearly NOT european, why not take on the rest of what they brought to the continent? Same goes for the idiotic African Extremist moslems.

Look at the fundamentalist Christians in the USA and how they have been led to the sluaghter politically and policy wise by the Neo Conservatives. They are such idiotic sheep they can get them to vote for them proclaiming God fearing values and then behind closed doors and closets sip the man juice of the descendants of Sodom.

Religious fanatics the world over are morons. From Jews to Christians to Moslems. Every last one of you.

Ofcourse white people take christianity as seriously as we do. And it leads to disastrous consequences, both in the so called 1st world as well as the 3rd world.

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What the f*** have you been smoking? Capitalism drove slavery. It drove the colonisation and the decimation and genocide of entire populations all for the SOLE purpose of making a buck. You know the very first hardcore capitalist bussiness entity was the Dutch company that colonised lands and was in the lucrative bussiness of slave trading. Bussiness DOES NOT NEED mutual respect, are you high? the bussinesses sole purpose is to make money. If it could get away with killing millions for a profit and little no no expense or consequence you think it would think twice?

I do not know what fairtale you live in where bussiness care about its competitors and in playing fair. Look at the most hardcore capitalist nation on the planet, the United States and tell me with a straight face that it has corporations operating in an atmosphere of mutual respect and trust. Corporations had to and have to be regulated by government (of the people) not to run amock. Ever heard of Rockerfeller and vertical integration? Get a clue omo abeg

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We do not believe in the use of fraud to earn money. Business needs an atmosphere of mutual respect and trust to thrive. Hard core capitalists are very different from criminals.

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mrmayor,

Gotcha. You're spot on.

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@ Havila,

So basically you refuse to answer. Could that be because you don't have an answer, that you need to remain in your sheltered cocoon of faith?

By the way, there's a consistent trend among theist debating me here to screw up my username. I wonder what the underlying cause is.

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Nferyn,

My apologies for using the word Controlled,what I mean is Europe has in most sense of the word abandoned the idea of a benevolent God solving the problems of society.Technology has given humans the ability to control the world they live in according to their desires,you can predict natural disasters and prepare for it.

Does religion stifle dabate and free speech?Look no futher,holier-than thou-members here are a stack reminder

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@nferniy,

My opinion on 'most' of seun's comment stands based on 'most' of his contributions on the religion forum; I don't need to explain it to you.

And you, an atheist, who has declared that the bible is anti-intellectual and anti-reasoning in your own understanding, attempting to dispute my elucidation on christian faith put's a strain on logic. How can you dispute what you do not know, have or understand? Even, if you had faith before and lost it when you became 'enlightened', then yours' was like the seed that fell by the way side or fell on shallow ground i.e no root because nobody taste of the truth of God and let go. Trials and tribulation might shake it, but not remove it.

Declaring that suppression of freethought is in the history of christianity is a clear indication that your mind is unable to comprehend my earlier post on what christianity really is; as contrasted to what or how it's been used before. I am not surprised at your asking me "what are the characteristics or principles of God"; it is in your 'anti-intellectual' bible but can only be decoded by a humble mind, not a haughty one. Maybe you've heard of the expression that 'people have eyes but yet they cannot see, they have ears but cannot ear'.

Now, if you still can't digest and be nourished from milk, how do we go to feeding you meat and bone?

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@Kimba

I will have to respond to you later because I have to go now. For sure I will be back to respond.

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@Sista

You are seriously confused.

And how many of you are WORSHIPPING A WHITE JESUS?

I dont WORSHIP A WHITE JESUS. God has no color, if you read your Bible very well.

And maybe if you read your Bible very well, deeper than what your pastor read for you, the idea of Jesus being white and black would have erased out of your mind. Hope you are not racist.

Example: America

GEORGE BUSH CANNOT STAND AND SAY THAT AMERICA IS WHAT IT IS TODAY BECAUSE OF THE WHITE AMERICANS. If you remove the BLACKS from their, it ceases to be America. Forget the slave trade. Talk about what America is as a nation, in all its arials, culture, power, intelligence, resources, everything. Not only the blacks, think of other cultural mixes. The IQ of a black baby is normally higher than that of a white baby if both are born under the same normal equal conditions. That has been proven a long time ago. How many babies are born under normal conditions in Africa? is it because of the white man? Can't we make the conditions RIGHT? Dont we have the know-how.

A survery I read sometime ago says "Nigerians are the most educated ethnic groups in America, that an average Nigerian has another Univ. Certificate / Practicable profession other than his B.Sc". Now there are thousands of more Nigerians who want to run away from Nigeria tomorrow morning if given the opportunity.

U mentioned about why white people are the richest on the planet: here: they are the richest because they use their brain, no matter how little it is. In Africa, we use our brains for the wrong stuff - totally for the wrong stuff. See, while Bill Gates was reasoning how to write computer programs, thinking about algorithms here and there, a Nigerian was trying to figure out the 419 puzzle. Do you think it is easy just to sit down and dupe someone (without any references of a former act - think of the first attempt of whoever the idea started from), plan everything, put things in place - all the lies and the stories. I was reading up on a site that its one of the greatest ideas of the past 100years. In fact, the commentator estimated the IQ of the originator of that idea to be in the genius level. He wasnt making any fun of it. The article was on something to make computers obtain information from each other, for example: a computer(the lier) wants to obtain some information from another computer, and this lier(computer) would have in store answers, all the possible questions/queries it might be probed for and it can generate more and more, until it gets what it wants - more like a chess game where there is a solution for every move.

Another reason is that we love quick results, a tree planted today that will grow tomorrow. Is this possible? The word "LONG TERM" is not in our dictionary. Go to S. Korea and you'll find Fiber Optic cables already laid underneath refuse dumps. All that needs to be done is for the piece of land to be cleared and you erect your house and then call a technician to get you connected. Who laid those cables? well, maybe they are long dead by now or at least old, not enjoying the "Technology".

The always Perpendicular roads in America were not planned by the present day hip-hopper Americans. Americans who lived ages ago planned it for security purposes. Are they enjoying it now? NO, coz the are passed away. In Africa/Nigeria, is it common to see people doing things for the future generations? NO. We do only what will profit us in our own-life-time. There are no plans for the next 50-100 years while we would have passed away, and then we'll complain that the white man is richer than we are.

The reason for the above is that we dont commend good things. Its common to hear the saying "You are on your own". The president is on his own and im on my own. The man on the street is on his own and im on my own. Thats the problem. Suppose, I do anything good, even out of personal sacrifice, the fact that im on my own, either in success or failure would not propel me to give it a try in the first place. Lack of trial is not so much different from failure.

Fine, you cannot fault the CHildren. That is all they know, all they have seen, all they have heard, all they have been taught.

Tell me one thing SISTA, IS THE BIBLE BLACK OR WHITE, im not talking about the paper book now, im talking THE BIBLE - WHOLE PICTURE.

Are you a Christian?

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Can we(Nigeria) really say we are taking Christianity Seriously?

In my own point of view? NO.

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Example: All the churches in Lagos alone(forget the rest of Nigeria) are more than all the Churches in Japan put together. Leave Japan and hop into Thailand. All you see is Buddha. Nothing else. Get to Vietnam and its another story. Go to the UK and its the oldies that you find in Church. Get to America and Yes theres a lot of Christianity, but a lot of unbelievers too(really way off in worse directions than the ones in Nigeria). South America is not too better. Talk about other countries where Christianity is not as pronounced as Nigeria.

If TAKING CHRISTIANITY SERIOUSLY was the major requirement for God's blessings, Nigeria will be #1. But see the conditions of these countries and compare with Nigeria. In the Bible, God blessed those that served him. Are we blessed? YES, perhaps because our fore-fathers took God seriously. In fact, over blessed, but now that the blessing is too much, we use the blessings and hurt and destroy ourselves and our own future generations.

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The thing is not in "TAKING CHRISTIANITY SERIOUSLY". The ultimate is doing the right thing. "I AM A CHRISTIAN" - written on church-paper is different from "I AM A CHRISTIAN" - with my name written in Heaven.

WE TAKE CHRISTIANITY SERIOUSLY, BUT WE DONT TAKE GOD SERIOUSLY.

OBEYIING THE WHOLE WORD OF GOD is not the same as OBEYING THAT PART THAT I FEEL I CAN OBEY.

Imagine: someone leaves Church for home after Sunday service and an Okada man scratches his car(in the most negligible way) and the next thing, this BROTHER comes out of church and gets physical with an okada man. The question is: what did he hear in Church?

Think about the import of the statement: THEY FEARED THE LORD AND SERVED THEIR OWN GODS.

"THEY FEARED THE LORD" - This is what we can see

"THEY SERVED THEIR OWN GODS" - God sees this - deep into the heart of the individual.

Today, all we are doing is calling LORD LORD, but not doing what HE SAYS!!! What of the Pastors that Preach outright error and still people flock after them. Yes we know its the end times, but its part of the problem.

The politicians, governors, house of assembly members, etc, bank execs, and people in authority stealing wealth? are the majority of them totally pagans? NOPE. Even if they were, what about CONSCIENCE? They are serving God, abi?

This is not to say that there are no true believers at all. yes their are, but we need more. Can we found this(below) prevailent basically and by default in Nigeria and among Nigerians(one to another)?

Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it,

definitely not. the passage says

what is the problem? who is the problem? Is it Mr. President and his boys?

Answer: None of the above. The problem is the people. A change has to start first from the people.

There are 150+ million Nigerians. Do we have 75million politicians + army, police and their groups? NO.

So if a change for the better were to start, could it pervade our entirety? YES, if we want to.

So what has the white man got that we havent: lemme say it like this:

The little of true Christianity that they practice earns them enough of Gods favor that they are blessed much more abundantly. That is why they have left us behind.

Many are called, few are chosen. Its not how much you give, but how you give it.

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If politicians and those in authority could seek to do good things,

if the masses could seek to elect good people,

if you and I were looking for the next good thing we can do,

honestly, what else would we be looking for.

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The whole idea of Christianity was to lead the sheep to the wolves. White people were the wolves posing as the shepherd. Now that we worship white Jesus, we are also worshipping white people, this is the reason why white people are the richest people on this planet. Black people worship them through the religion they gave Black people. That was the only reason why they introduced their version of Christianity to us, for the purposes of spiritually enslaving black people. What is spiritual enslavement? Spiritual enslavement is when you enemy, becomes your deity. You can't conquer your white enemy if in your mind, ultimately Jesus is white, making white people the so called chosen ones of God.

The question in the minds of black people becomes, how valuable are black people to God? This is what black people are thinking. Now black people are like Cain and Able. The white people are Able the one Cain killed because he was jelous of the offering Able made to God. Able was kept alive by God to walk the earth but a mark was put upon him to show that he was a murderer of his brother. Able had to go out the rest of his life in trying to gain Gods love. That is what black people are now doing, they are going about the rest of our lives to try and please God to the point of sacraficing their self. The whole thing is, the God they are trying to please is the white God, AKA white people in general. White man is God, white woman is Mary the mother of white Jesus. Black people have been really fooled by white people.

If you don't believe me that black people believe that Jesus hence God is white, put it to a test. Ask your young children what color is God or Jesus. Ask any young black child this question. They are going to tell you that he is white. If you ask them why is Jesus white, they are going to say "I don't know" or shrug their shoulders. The reason why they don't know why they believe Jesus or God is white, is because they have been indoctrinated and told through subliminals that Jesus or God is white. A child is not conscious to subliminal affects.

The whole idea of the introduction to white Christianity was to keep black people subserviant to white people, letting white people have their way with black people. White peoples independance depends on the dependance of black people and black people are dependant upon God who is white. White people made sure to make it a never ending 360 degree cycle. Africa is what made Europe what it is today while the people of Africa suffer.

Right now, white people are brining in toxic waste from Europe, and storing it on African land where the toxic waste is killing Africans. Again, the white mans Christian religion has made black people the human sacraficials to the white race. They told us white Jeusus died for our sins, so in our black minds, we don't mind dying for white people sense white Jesus died for us.

Have you seen how Africans worship white Jesus? All over Africa, Africans have thousands of portraits containing white Jesus. Black people deify white Jesus.

White mans job to gain economical independence was done after he introduced Christianity to black people. There is no need for him to now attend church when he has manufactured Negroes who will further his plight.

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Even though there isn't that much overt religiosity in western europe left, I wouldn't go as far as declaring that the western world in controlled by reason and technology. Very few people actually embrace the scientific mindset. Even though they actively use the fruits of science (technology), apart from those directly involved in science and technology, most haven't got the slightest idea what underlies it's very success. There's still a lot of magical thinking going around. Where there may be a significant difference is that most western intellectuals are squarely on the side of reason (except for the US, where loonies rule the airwaves).

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Havila,your argument is incoherent and logically flawed.

Please explain how you come to the conclusion that:

1. Seun's comment is immature? Why do you consider it immature?

2. Seun's comment is devoid of understanding? What understanding is it devoid of?

3. Seun's comment is backed by faulty logic? Wat logical flaws are there in his argument?

Christianity is [b]indeed [/b]one of the systems that discourages people from using their mind. Just check the bible and you will see it's anti-intellectual anti-rational stance. If that doesn't convince you, you can always glance over the suppression of freethought in the history of Christianity. It is quite illuminating.

Your statement the mindset of 'Christian faith' which is a truly liberated mind i.e a mind that digs deep, seeks wisdom, direction and understanding using the characteristics or principles of the living God is very confusing. Can you ellaborate how faith liberates the mind, how it digs deep, how it seeks wisdom and what type of understanding you're talking about?

Also, what are the characteristics or principles of the living God?

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IBEXY,

I noticed the same thing when I first moved to the UK a few years ago,when I inquired the reason for this phenomenon I got similar reasons given by members on this forum.

After a few years of living in the European system and a staunchly Catholic country Ireland,I have come to a simple conclusion.This Is The Age Of Reason.

You see that the western would is controlled by Reason and Technology.You don't need to fast for 7 days to get a loan from your bank or pray for good grades in college and definitely no need to pray for success in farming,business.

If you watch Sky TV you would notice that the channels you see black people is the religious channels,you would see loads of black people sitting down and their pastor telling how successful they would be if the pray hard,fast and pay their tithes.

Drusilla,

"Religion is Opium of the People" Karl Marx.

This is true of Poor People,what better way to deal with their miserable condition than to believe that there is life after death and all the bad white people would burn in hell

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(I) @Drusilla,

I think you are trying 'dress-up' or 'make sexy' what the original poster is saying by your eloquent reasoning. However, it is clear he is not asking why 'christianity' is losing favor with whites but rather "why we are bothering with 'christianity' when the whites who introduced it to us are obviously loosing interest". I am writing christianity in quote because obviously the writer's concept or undrstanding of christianity is as a 'religion'; and the not the true concept of christianity as a faith-- an "individual" quest at wisdom, spiritual understanding and maturity through the belief in, and discipleship of the doctrines or teachings of Jesus Christ. True faith in Christ results in the liberation of the mind, the scriptures bring such depth of wisdom to man, that I really am not surprised at the attempts by the white supremacist in those days to prevent black peoples from reading the bible. The fight for emancipation of blacks, end of slavery and death of apartheid in South Africa were all birthed through the increase in faith and understanding of christianity by leading black figures who led such fights. Rather than use the attitude of the so called 'whites' as a barometer, an intuitive mind will rather see it as what happens when the true purpose of something is corrupted to fulfill certain selfish objectives. What do I mean? White peoples brought 'christianity' to Africa, together with education and unfortunately also brought slavery. The 'religion of chrsitianity' was used to then to perpetuate slavery, but you cannot build lies upon truth, so slavery collapsed when faith started increasing backed by education. A lot of whites now are loosing interest in 'religion' of christanity not just because of science or techonological advancement, but more importantly because they are somehow ashamed to be associated with a 'religion' used by their fore-fathers to perpetuate wickedness, slavery etc. The 'fact' that christianity was used then to perpetuate illegality did not and has not removed the 'truth' about what christianity really is - an individual decision of faith in the true God and knowledge of grace from the true God. Now, this is a spiritual understanding that each person will seek rather than use somebody else as a barometer for understanding; and a lot of factors influence seeking such understanding; true understanding of science, availability of sincere knowledgeable teachers or leaders, maturity, etc

(II) Quote from Seun: Any system that discourages people from using their minds will be used by oppressors to keep the common man under.  

Most of Seun's comment are rather immature, devoid of understanding, and backed by faulty logic; rather than premature. To his own understanding, 'christianity' is one of the systems that discourages people from using their minds. Well, that is the 'religion' of christianity mindset to which he and a lot seem to 'understand'; and not the mindset of 'Christian faith' which is a truly liberated mind i.e a mind that digs deep, seeks wisdom, direction and understanding using the characteristics or principles of the living God. Does he know this, I doubt it. The white supremacists in America, south Africa used the concept of christianity as a religion to subjugate the blacks, but the blacks on the other hand rather got the faith-understanding of christianity to fight for their God-given freedom. In all things, it is always better to seek wisdom and understanding personally.

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using their minds will be used by oppressors to keep the common man under. Religion is one such system.

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Seun,

That would be premature.

Religion (belief in something better than oneself and that one is getting rid of evil) is the only platform on which successful revolutions have been run.

If the world out grows the bible before Africa goes through it's rebirth, then we have a situtation where Africa is doomed to be the welfare mother of the world for eternity.

Africans must use religion first, as other areas have used it, to unify and put an end to backwardness.

Again which is back to my point, of why whites would want to get rid of the bible, at this time, before Africa uses religion to get on it's feet.

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Havila,

I did not take the question that way. I expected that the person wanted to know why Christianity is losing favor with whites.

Christianity has always been secondary to "white culture", so when it is not as useful to white culture anymore, then of course it will be dropped.

I think the disavowing of Christianity is an purposeful attempt to keep Black people away from what the bible really says.

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Ibexy,

Christianity was at one time useful for Europeans to rule the world, but now it is dangerous as other races get a hold of what the bible actually says.

So it is being dropped by Europeans.

There are precedents for this in history.

For instance in Kenya, Jomo Kenyatta was locked up for constantly quoting the bible, "that God had given to each nation it's own land."

Whites were more agitated by his continous reading of that verse, then they were by the Mumu with guns.

In America, Bible reading was outlawed for Blacks, when those who read the bible figured out that oppression was a biblical no-no.

In Haiti, they were told, they could only worship the number 2 God --the devil. This is why Voodoo or Juju remained so big in Haiti.

In South Africa, it was Christian students who began the boycotts that led to the soweto massacre and eventual freedom of South Africa.

Whites quickly try to withdraw from christianity when it seems that others are going to get a hold of what the bible really says.

America is a special case. Even though still in America it is shown over and over again.

African Americans attend church more.

African Americans believe in the bible more i.e. the Creation story.

African Americans are less likely to support abortion or gays.

African Americans give more to help churches and poor people.

Other groups in America are considered more or less "cultural christians", i.e. they attend church because their neighbors attend church and it is expected of them.

The bible and God really do not have much to do with church attendance.

On the other hand some white Americans are considered true believers and they are diligent about their religion but it may not be related exactly to the gospel but more or less to prosperity gospel.

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One out of how many? Even in heaven , there was a rotten egg - lucifer! Just wait and see, you'll be delighted to find out that there will be many more of these to come. Why? Because not everyone sets out on the christian journey with the same motives. But God sees the hearts and peoples motives. You can deceive the world but you cannot deceive yourself.

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Oh no, not another 'white man is god' threads again! Yes white people take christianity seriously! - The ones who are true to temselves, and who follow their *God*-*given*conscience* do. They ones who don't think it's cool to follow trend and just because someone writes some equation and then says God doesn't exist, then they mumu over to that one person's thoughts/beliefs. Well, I have met many such people. My church is a 98% white congregation, there are more 17 - 30's than there are old people (www.spicerstreet.org.uk) and they teach the Bible thoroughly.

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I am so happy that this observation is coming from someone who can be refered to as a "partcipant observer" in London and i must congratulate you my fellow compatriot for just coming to terms with what some of us have been saying all along that "religion" and that is the so called imported religions in Nigeria is just a social movement where some smart alecs feed fat on the ignorance of the people or have you not wondered why inspite of our so called "religiousity" the Nigerian society is still so disorganised and corrupt?

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this just goes down to show us that christianity is just a chain of confusion else how will the originators of a religion run away from it and leave it to the people they passed it unto to dwell in it? even the white americans do not go to church as much as africans do. they believe christiuanity is just going to the church besides just a few of them do go(only the old people attend regularly) their form of christainity is very very different with the one we practice in nigeria. in america(US) black people are the ones that go to church most of the time.

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beacuse they are not fake,

They do not need to be "Seen" so that people will think they are good.

Please all the people you see in the church , ask them what the "pastor " said they will not know .But one month later they will still remember the colour of mrs okafors shoes and the handbag.

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1.Are these not supposed to be the people who brought the religion to us?

The Europeans who initially spread Christianity to Africa are now dead. So no, those aren't the same 'white people' who brought religion to 'us'.

2. Most of the modern day white folks have already realised that christianity was based entirely on fiction fantasy.

No. In the U.K, unlike Nigeria and America, Christianity is no longer fashionable- it's not necessarily a case of individuals realising that Christianity is fiction. You'll probably find (if you talk to people) that a lot of people haven't really taken the time out to consider what they do or do not believe.

Christianity is still deemed a necessity within American society, with regular church attendance not uncommon. Around about 70% the American population would be classed as 'white'.

p.s.

This thread is dumb.

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Most of the modern day white folks have already realised that christianity was based entirely on fiction fantasy,so they dumped it.

It takes a lot of courage to do that,and they have plenty.

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