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Do You Believe in Infant Water Baptism?

I sure do. That is, if it is actually water baptism (complete immersion in water).

Whole households were baptized in the book of Acts and we were not told that children were left out.

Let me know what you believe and the reason for your belief.

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It is not stated anywhere in the Bible that only adults should be baptized. Non-Catholics state that the act of baptism is a waste because the infant is not capable of knowing what is happening and has not yet received the Lord as their Saviour. Let us take a look at the Jewish infants that were being circumcised. Did these infants know that at the moment they were being circumcised, they were making a covenant with God? There is no validity to the non-Catholic claim that only adults should be baptised. Apostle Paul shows us a parallel between circumcision and baptism in the book of Colossians 2:11-12, when he stated thus: "In whom also you are circumcised with circumcision not made by hand, in despoiling of the body of the flesh, but in the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, in whom also you are risen again by the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him up from the dead."

There is baptism of adults in the New Testament because the converts then were grown adults. However, let us take some verses in the Bible that say otherwise:

Peter answered: "Each of you must repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins may be forgiven. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise of God was made to you and your children, and to all those from afar whom our God may call." (Acts 2:38-39)

"Well, I have also baptized the Stephanas family…" (1Cor 1:16)

"After she had been baptized together with her household, she invited us to her house…" (Acts 16:15)

The above Bible passages point to the fact that, it is not just adults that require baptism; children, family and household were baptized by the Apostles in the beginning of the mission so, why should we do otherwise?

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For those killing themselves about infant baptism ,go and read 1 cor15:29 ,there you will see that the apostles actually performed baptism of the dead ,if the dead could be baptised why not infants.

baptism is what makes you born again,without baptism you can never enter thr kingdom of God,Whether someone is baptised as an adult or a child if he will change his faith in future he will still do so irespective of when he was baptised .

Infant baptism enables children to have a taste of God right from their infancy.

Okay why dont we stop taking kids to church .wait until there are 18 and able to decide for themselves.

If you take your kids to church before there are 18 and condemn infant baptism ,you are a hypocrite.

In judaism circumcisiom was what made someone a jew,it is quite striking that infants were requird to be circumcised on the 8th day as the law of mosesd required.

Why didnt the law of moses allow them to wait until there are 18 and able to decide for themseleves

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This question definitely needs a thoughtful answer. I will get back to this after some research,

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I think water baptism is mere protocol or probably formalties.

The only thing that matters is Holy Ghost baptism

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Baptism in christendom washes sins away and initiates one into christianity. Based on this definition, i believe in infant baptism whether it is by immersion or by sprinkling.

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@donnie,

The basic question here is whether "INFANTS" qualify for baptism from all the verses that we're reading. How could infants call upon Christ or confess Him if the Gospel was not personally preached to them? It is with the heart that someone believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation (Rom. 10:9-10) - do "infants" make these confessions at the time of their "infant baptism"? We both know they do not; which would mean that 'infants' do not qualify for baptism according to God's WORD.

However, what then happens to INFANTS who are NOT given "infant baptism"?

I'm persuaded that "infants" do not need to be baptized in order to be considered as belonging to the kingdom. First, the Bible teaches consistently that "for of such is the kingdom of heaven" (Luke 18:15-16). Why is this so? It's so for the simple reason that they are considered 'innocent' before God as those who have no conscience experience of good and evil to discern what is sin. Compare this with what the prophets have proclaimed:

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Deuteronomy 1:39

"Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it."

2 Sam. 12:22-23

"And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live? But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."[/list]

The basic question these verses would be answering is with regards to the state of infants who have no experiential knowledge of sin. Those who die as infants are not lost - for unto such belong the Kingdom of God.

From all points considered, the idea of "infant baptism" cannot be defended in Scripture, for it is not taught there. The criteria you affirmed as qualifying one for baptism only make this all the more obvious - that baptism is for those who first should have heard the Gospel, which they should have believed, and then demonstrate that faith publicly by being baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus (Acts 19:4-5). There is no basis for the idea of "infant baptism" in the Bible.

Warm regards.

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@donnie,

Thanks for taking the time to reply and explaining your views about INFANT baptism - that's what some of us have been waiting for. I must apologise to you if I read you somewhat off-key previously; because it wasn't my intention to put you on spot - judging from the other posts following our discourse. I really apologise for that.

Now here's what I have to share with you. I'll first reply to yours, and then attempt to address a few things thereto.

Good question. However, did you ever consider that baptism into Christ and occultism are not the same thing? Your illustrations have not helped to provide a clear Biblical understanding of INFANT baptism, especially based on the criteria you offered as twice quoted earlier. What if the parents never initiated their baby at a babalawo's ritual, would the babies even then still be under the spell of occultism?

Which takes us to a whole new dimension of what is known as 'baptism by proxy' - something not taught in Scripture.

The text you quoted (1 Cor. 7:14) is not proof-text for INFANT baptism. Take a minute to consider the first part of that verse: "the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife" - does that mean the wife's faith therefore 'qualifies' the unbelieving husband for baptism as well? If not, why not?

You already said: "The child is qualified to be baptised because he is sanctified by his parents fatih"; and my point here is this: that very verse clearly says that the "unbelieving husband" is sanctified by the wife. By the same inference you made, does the "unbelieving husband" also qualify for baptism "because he is sanctified by the wife's faith? If not, why not?

No - I've seen where you attempted this previously. And because your treatment of the subject doesn't appear to be balanced, that's why I called your attention to it - especially from the perspective of the criteria you had offered as qualifying for baptism. Sample another one you stated earlier in that same quote:

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"You are actually declaring to yourself, the world, and the devil that not only are you a believer in Christ, you have actually identified with him in his death, burial and resurrection".[/list]

The question here is whether you envisage an infant actually "declaring" itself to be doing all those things by its own choice through "infant baptism" - which we would all have to admit is clearly wrong.

No worries. For the very same reason that you could identify that picture as "not baptism", one should be able to identify if your premise was founded on the WORD of God.

Cheers.

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@ Donnie

Last time i checked the Spirit of God was not an author of the confusion.

I dont think the Spirit of God will 'lead' you to start a topic by making categorical statements on what you believe, give you insights to defend what you believe to a certain point, then refuse to lead you when pilgrim 1 asked you a question.

He will always finish what He starts.

lots-a-luv

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My dear, it isn't hard for me to admit my wrong when there is a wrong.

Humility is a fruit of the recreated human spirit.

If i may ask, will taking my baby to a babalawo for tribal marks and cuts or for dedicatin to some gods carry significant potency?

Why don't the parents wait for the child's acceptnce of or belief in those devils before initiating him? why did they not wait for him to exercise his right to choose?

The child is qualified to be baptised because he is sanctified by his parents fatih.

1 Corinthians 7:14 - "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy."   

If children of believers are saved, what about children of unbelievers?

Like their parents, they are unsaved!

This is not the first time i am going over this on this thread is it?

By the way, the above picture (by Oracle) is not baptism. Baptism is complete immersion.

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No i dont, cos they are not old enuf to know the difference btw right and wrong

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I had to sign in. Christians, what is the problem? Donnie you clearly made a statement or two and pilgrim 1 called you out on them and the best you can come up with, is you are not led? What is wrong? Where did the Church fall apart? How would it have affected you by admitting your statements and standing by them? Led by the spirit to lie? What do you think the spirit does? Men, this is really sad. God help us all!

At topic, I do not believe in infant baptism, for the reasons Donnie raised, but can't admit to.

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Of course i can defend what i said; its just that i do not feel i should do so now. I mean, in the present circumstance, i do not feel led to; bearing in mind that some really are more interested in winning an arguement than in understanding God's word.

Blessings.

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@donnie,

My question was about the criteria you set to "qualify" for baptism: According to you:

[list]1. "it is actually an outward demonstration and public declaration of your fatih in christ"

2. "You have to have accepted Jesus in to your heart as Lord and saviour of Your life to qualify for baptism"[/list]

Donnie, do INFANTS "qualify" for water baptism based on the criteria YOU outlined above?

If they do not, don't shakara this issue and try to push what you can't defend from God's WORD. It's easy to make rules for others that you can't keep; it's not as easy to defend the rules you make. If you truly believe the Scriptures teach "infant baptism", please clearly demonstrate where that is taught in the Bible.

Cheers.

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A child born to believing parents is sanctified by thier belief. He too can be baptized.

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Yes it's heart related not age and what makes u think an infant's heart knows otherwise. Age doesn't matter that much but atleast let the child grow (to know his/her left from right) to make a personal decision to follow Christ and then Baptize the child.

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if we conduct a poll, i think it is going to be something like 80% against and 20% for it. Cheers! You must believe before being baptised check the history of the bible. You must first believe and be baptised not even when you attain any age. It is heart -related not age. Many thanks,

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i blv in it, cos the bible said that we shall be baptized, and it is like being dead with christ and raising up with him with the immersion

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Well that's as long as you do not know why God gave that child to you nor the will of God for him/her.

For when you do, you will see it as your responsibility to put him/ her on the right path before God.

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That should just about sum it up for us. People should begin to shed themselves free from the religious traditions of men which have no bearing from the WORD.

Bless the children - that's what Jesus did: "And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them." (Mark 10:14-16).

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i dont believe in infant baptism at all,

cuz it dont make any sense

i mean when the child grows and he/she comes to believe that there is a God and

believe his word then they can give theirselves to christ,

i believe thats when u get baptize, is a decision that you have to make, not your parents or anybody

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...so therefore, you must be baptised.

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I have not been baptized yet. I know for a fact that if my computer were to blow up in my face and kill me right now, i would go to Heaven.

Baptism is not your ticket into heaven.

Jesus is.

Yes, it may be true that God commands us to be baptized. But he also commands us to not lie, not commit adultery, keep the sabbath holy,  not covet, not worship other idols and he commands us much more.

Unfortunately, being human, we do not obey these all the time. In fact, most of the time, we probably don't.

Hitler, if he received Christ before he died, could be in heaven right now. and I'm sure he wasn't baptized.

infant baptism is not necessarily wrong. it doesn't do any harm. But, I believe, as others on here do, that baptism is simply a symbol, a public display of our devotion to God.

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About not allowing children to be baptized, I think no parent would allow the child to grow up to decide on whether it wants an education before it is either forced to take one or encouraged to take one by which it could have been a bit late. If we would not do that in human matter why the spiritual. In infant baptism, the parents are really saddled with the responsibility of bringing the child up in the faith.

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Noooooooooo i don't believe in infact baptism

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That is based on your own interpretaion and not mine...

For a mature man, who calls himself an etheist and yet submits to water baptism, he is actually not an etheist because he has actually submitted himself to be baptised.

By the way, a true atheist who knows what he really stands for will refuse baptism no matter what.

Because before you are baptised as a mature person, you are made to make a public declaration of your fath in Jesus.

So he is actually decieving himself if he still says he is not a christian after babtism.

Anyone who isn't righteous b4 God but yet goes ahead to be baptised only took a bath. He is not saved.

Years ago, during the persecution of the early church, if you said you were not a christain, they asked if you were bptised, if your answer was 'yes', you were killed. Because as far as they were conceerned, you had identified with the death burial and resurrection of jesus.

When you reach the age of accountability like the etheist husband, you are responsible for your actions and so cannot claim your wife's fatih at the judgement.

But a child born to believing parents is holy and righteous as his parents are ... but when he gets to the age of accountability he has to be made to declare for himself the Lordship of Jesus.

Rom 10:8-11

" But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."

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Donnie,

1) A baby born to a Christian woman will go to heaven if he dies.

2) An atheist married to a Christian woman will go to heaven when he dies.

3) A baby can be baptised because his mother is a Christian.

4) An atheist can be baptised because his wife is a Christian.

Based on your interpretation of, "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, ..." which of the 4 statements above are true?

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Layi,

I see from your arguement that you generally do not see much importance in water baptism. Well before i treat that, let me first reply some of your questions/comments

Like I said in earlier posts, it carries no potency. Its just an outward declaration of your faith. No one would go to hell for not beign baptized.

Your statement that no one will go to hell for not being baptised is like saying "no one will go to hell for not recieving communion or for not  recieving the Holy Ghost. Because these are commandments of Jesus and they have to be obeyed.

I wonder what faith the infant is declaring, by the way...

I ask again...what faith is the baby declaring. Declaring your baby's faith is not within your jurisprudence.

You most probably believe in Child dedications. What faith did the child declare? Did he say he wanted to be dedicated to the service of God?

For the child that is sick and in need of healing from God, who does the believing for healing ...who does the praying?

Babies - weather born to believers or not ARE alive to God.

Did you see this?:

1 Corinthians 7:14 - "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy."

The seed (children) of the fallen angels that were driven out of heaven, who slept with women that bore children for them were evil giants... So evil that they had to be destroyed by the flood of Noah's day.

Genesis 6:4 - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God(fallen angels) came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 

Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god. 12 The LORD will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the LORD of hosts. 13 And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand. 14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. 15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed...

GOD WAS SEEKING A GODLY SEED!

From the same verse you quoted donnie,

[i]Romans 7:9 - For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Paul was alive unto GOD once? Who were his parents then? Were they believers?

Paul was brought up under strict adherance to the  law of Moses. He was Jew, a child of Abraham, and theerfore a child of God.

Phil 3:4-6

"Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5[b] Circumcised the eighth day[/b], of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless."

Even though his strict upbringing in the Law of Moses does not convince you that his parents were believers in Jehovah, the fact that he was circumcised the eight day should convince you.

Why do you think those devilish initiations carry more weight than water baptism? Is it because we do not do much chanting and shaking in Baptism? Baptism is a very serious ritual.

The bible tells us in 1cor:10:1,2:

"Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea"

This is significant of the new testament baptism of the Holy Spirit -regeneration/Born-again experience (the cloud covering the Isrealites signified the Holy Spirit) and baptism with water (the sea signified water baptism).

Now, when they were baptised in the cloud, the Egyptians(which are a type of the world) still followed them. But when they were baptised in the sea, that was the end of the Egyptians that pursued them.

When one is baptised, it causes such an undescribable release of His Spirit. The devil can no longer lay claims on anything because he has openly denounced any ties with the kingdom and works of darkness.

Mat 28:19

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

You must be baptised!

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....and what did that do to you? (no spite intended).

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i don't think it is wrong for an infant to be baptised and moreover,i was baptised a week after i came into d WORLD........

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@sodgi

GP said infant baptism NOT baptism.

Anyway, in as much as I do not buy the idea of infant baptism...i am not against it. It is not 'wrong'.

Like I said in earlier posts, it carries no potency. Its just an outward declaration of your faith. No one would go to hell for not beign baptized.

I wonder what faith the infant is declaring, by the way.

The analogy aint right. U can't likin baptism to devilish initiations. Baptism (water or fire) cannot be done on an infant.  Water baptism is an open declaration faith. its not like you are filled with the holy siprit then. I ask again...what faith is the baby declaring. Declaring ur baby's faith is not within your jurisprudence.

Babies - weather born to believers or not ARE alive to God.

From the same verse you quoted donnie,

Romans 7:9 - For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Paul was alive unto GOD once? Who were his parents then? Were they believers?

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To say it in a nut shell, infant baptism is totally wrong. You can take me on.

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Training up a child is not just in talk, but in Word and deed. We lead by example. That is a personal problem of such pastors. They are not doers of the Word.

It is not religion but practical christianity. If the pastor was not just a religious fellow but a doer of the Word, the child will necessarily follow in his steps.

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Nope, In this case, you have the ability to choose. You should choose right. That choice will either qualify you for baptism or not.

Her believing may cover you in this world from some mishaps. It may shield you from some trouble in this world. It brings the presence of God into your union. But it cannot give you etrnal life since that is a personal thing. Those who get baptised, have eternal life in them.

As for the child, since he cannot choose at his age, the choice is made for him. Later on in life, he will have to accept the truth about his baptism.

The main point in 1cor 7:14 is the approval of God concerning the union of a woman who gets saved while being married to an unbelieving husband. It tells her that she can still continue with the marriage as her belief sanctifies the union and sanctifies their children who are the fruit of that union.

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Donnie, the average Nigerian pastor does not give his children the option of choosing another religion. They train their children very well in the area of religion, but the problem is in the way they behave at home. They relate badly with their wives and children, and this causes the children, when they grow up, to say "if this is Christianity then I want no part in it!"

Their reasoning is like this: "if my dad, who is seen as a role model, can be such a hypocrite then Christianity must be an empty religion!"

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I'll quote you:

Nowhere does the Bible teach that infants should be baptized nor are there any Biblical examples of such.

NO where does the bible teach against infact baptism. At least, you havent yet shown me.

In fact baptizing such infants is contrary to the spirit of what is written.

That is a strong statement o! Contrary to the Spirit? Did you hear that from Him?

For example it is written in 1Peter 3:21 that baptism involves a pledge of a good conscience toward God. But babies make no such pledgee.

Yeah... but their parents can make the pledge for them:

1 Corinthians 7:14 - For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

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Layi,

Your quote:

Infant baptism is more like a ritual/rites. It carries no significant potency. Every human have got to choose christ. 

I do not agree that infant baptism carries no significant potency. If i may ask, will taking my baby to a babalawo for tribal marks and cuts or for dedicatin to the gods carry significant potency?

Do the parents wait for the child's acceptnce of or belief in those devils before initiating him? why did they not wait for him to exercise his right to choose?

The child is qualified to be baptised because he is sanctified by his parents fatih.

1 Corinthians 7:14 - "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy."   

There is no disparity or impartiality with GOd.

I agree

If children of believers are saved, what about children of unbelievers?

Like their parents, they are unsaved!

Is GOD partial.

NO!

Baptizing an infant don't make him/her a christian.

I know that... just like baptising an adult don't make him/her a christian.

Aside mere formality...i see it as nothing else.

Do you call baptism mere formality?

It is a sacrament ( an outward demonstration of a spiritual truth). It is a commandment of Jesus.

Romans 6:4 - "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

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Infant baptism is more like a ritual/rites. It carries no significant potency. Every human have got to choose christ.

There is no disparity or impartiality with GOd. If children of believers are saved, what about children of unbelievers? Is GOD partial.

Baptizing an infant dont make him/her a christian. Aside mere formality..i see it as nothing else.

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i never believe in infant baptism.

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Nowhere does the Bible teach that infants should be baptized nor are there any Biblical examples of such. In fact baptizing such infants is contrary to the spirit of what is written.  For example it is written in 1Peter 3:21 that baptism involves a pledge of a good conscience toward God. But babies make no such pledge.

There are places in the book of Acts where whole households were baptized. But nowhere in such places does it indicate that unbelieving infants were baptized. Rather whole households come to faith in Christ and are then baptized. Acts 18:8  Crispus, the synagogue ruler, and his entire household believed in the Lord; and many of the Corinthians who heard him believed and were baptized.

Similarly, when we see people baptized in the Bible it always followed their repentance or belief.  Therefore, if a person has not repented, then their baptism confirms nothing and is invalid. This is what John the Baptist was apparently referring to when a crowd of unrepentant persons came to him seeking baptism, in Matt. 3. He refused them baptism, stating that they first must, "bring forth fruit in keeping with repentance."

we see in [b]Acts 19:1-7 Paul baptizing 12 men who had previously been baptized. some believe that believe that re-baptism is necessary at times, since infant baptism, as practiced, is more similar to the dedication of a child to God than it is of baptism. Infant dedication is good and scriptural (Samuel, for instance, was dedicated to God and it really worked). [/b]  infant dedication is different from BAPTISING..

A baby or a very young child cannot be baptized according to God’s Word, as we read, Acts 8:36,37-WHAT DOTH HINDER (or prevents) ME TO BE BAPTIZED? Philip had preached unto him Jesus and it appears also about baptism. The eunuch wanted to be baptized, but Philip refused unless one condition was met. Look at Philip’s reply. AND PHILIP SAID, IF THOU BELIEVEST WITH ALL THINE HEART, THOU MAYEST. The eunuch then said in verse 37-I BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD.

    A baby cannot repent. A baby cannot believe. A baby is not to be baptized. Baby baptism means nothing. It is a deception created by the adversary.  It nurtures a false assurance as one grows up that they are going to heaven.

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i dont

a child doesnt know anything

and just baptizing him would look kinda wierd

he has to be old enough to decide whether

he wants to be baptized.

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I don't see a problem with the parents dedicating their child but I believe they should be older before baptism. Make sure they understand what's happening and give them a chance to decided whether it's something they wish to do or not.

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The qualification for baptism is to be at peace with God through the gospel ...and babies born to believing parents are at peace with God since they are sanctified by thier parents.

...so they should be baptised.

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Of course i am ... but i dont think G. Peter is yet.

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Yes you are absolutely right and as per this reason baptism is by immersion and not sprinkling of water and for adults not infants.

Thanks Donnie for great contribution.

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I agree with Donnie. Infants are in no position to declare themselves followers of Christ.

FYI- Infants are actually able to go underwater for quite some time without having to have their nostrils clamped. They know how to hold their breath very well.

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Baptism does not just wash away sins, it is actually an outward demonstration and public declaration of your fatih in christ.

You are actually declaring to yourself, the world, and the devil that not only are you a believer in Christ, you have actually identified with him in his death, burial and resurrection.

You have to have accepted Jesus in to your heart as Lord and saviour of Your life to qualify for baptism. Baptism marks your final seperation from the world.

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i agree wit the above statement.. no i do not believe in instant water baptizing.. neither do i believe that it washes away sins... again ma ans is being swayed by ma strong religious background

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I dont.

Infants dont know anything and one cant be baptized in water without the person affirming his or her believe in Christ through genuine repentance. We were not told actually if children were there where you quoted from, but I believe it's the adults that were being referred to.

Moreover you have to immerse totally in water when baptizing, so how do we immerse a baby in the water if not to kill, God forbid.

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