I came to understand dat most people who profess to be christians, do not believe the Bible as the Word of God. Pls house, can anyone help?
I came to understand dat most people who profess to be christians, do not believe the Bible as the Word of God. Pls house, can anyone help?
I sometimes cringe when I see the comments Nigerians make about God. I thought Nigerians were supposed to be religious. I am aware that a lot of people in this forum don't believe in God. I respect that but to go to the extent of raining insults on the Almighty is deplorably sad. Atheists are the most ignorant people on earth. They don't know who they are, where they are coming from or where they will go when they die. How can such group of ignoramus make statements about what they know nothing about.
I am not here to defend God because He is able to defend himself. However, remember that you will give account of every word that you make not only against your Creator, who you wickedly, foolishly and ignorantly fail to acknowledge, but also against his creations- Christians, Muslims, Buddhist, traditionalists and even other atheists.
We all know so little about God and should appreciate that we lack the capacity to fully understand God in this imperfect and sinful life. Is like trying to make an ant understand C++. But we should hold strong to the very little that we know and believe that He is what He says He is. This is called Faith. In the here-after, when you meet face-to-face with Him, there will be ample opportunity to raise any issue you have with him.
if the bible is only being 'translated' why do the mormons, catholics, greek orthodox's and protestants have different versions.
so cellular biology proves God's existence. where and when do we handle your nobel peace prize and congressional medal of honour
yeah he/she/it just did a lil flip-flop with the new testament.
Udyro, Udyro what exactly does this post mean? Yes we'll all live for a while and then die, how in anyway does this fact prove the existence of the Biblical God? Instead of taking such a combative stance why not just try to read the different posts and links under this topic and then make your own informed decisions. Some of the posts are quite long but I'm sure you can cover them over time.
Bible is a book written by people under the leading of the Holy spirit, that is they are inspired by the holy spirit.It is not like other secular books with edition,God's words remain the same,it can only be translated but not edited.The holy bible says that the canal man cannot understand the things of the spirit,so the problem we are having is the interpretation of the words.Therefore one should allow the holy spirit to interpret the words.
So now its the muslims that are they problem abi? its the moslem that are responsible for all the killing and atrocities that were commited and carried out by the manovalent hebrew god in the old testament abi? keep on grasping at straws. Visit www.kanoonline.com and see my post on the religious section i have been banned there uncountable times for my attack on the equally evil, dangerous and manovalent Allah, stop talking about things you don't know. by the way what is the difference between Allah and the god of the old testament? The answer is nada, they are both the same. I know you find those killings and bloodshed lurid and difficult to comphrehend, instead you try to blame Allah(who is no better) and moslems for all the evil deeds of the hebrew god that were recorded in the bible.
The problem is that christains do not read the bible, they only cherry pick what ever the want, the old testament god is the worst creature you can ever think of. here are some of his atrocities and evil deeds.
In the meeting among Moses, Aaron, and the Pharaoh, God doesn’t want his Israelites to go free without a fight. Instead, God instructs Moses and Aaron on exactly what steps to take so that the Pharaoh will initially become too stubborn to allow the people to leave. Obviously, God only wants an excuse to “bring forth [his] armies” against Egypt in order to punish the entire country for the decisions of one man to hold his chosen people as slaves (Exodus 7:1-14).
The plagues that God carried out against Egypt as a result of the Pharaoh’s decision were turning the river to blood; sending an abundance of frogs, lice, locusts, and flies; killing every cow belonging to the people; inflicting boils upon all the citizens; creating a hailstorm to destroy their crops; instituting three days of darkness; and killing the firstborn male child in every household across the country. The darkness, boils, frogs, lice, locusts, and flies were quite punishing, but they wouldn’t necessarily ruin anyone’s life. The cattle slaughter, river of blood, and downpour of hail ruined the Egyptians’ sole water and food sources. Worst of all, God once again feels the necessity to eradicate thousands more innocent babies, children, and animals because one man was too stubborn to free his slaves.
God’s episodes of murdering innocent individuals for the faults of their leaders, fathers, or other ancestors are not uncommon in the Old Testament. Jephthah asks for God’s assistance in killing the children of Ammon and promises him the first person out of his house upon his return as a burnt sacrifice if he will agree to aid with the massacre. God concurs and lethally delivers the children of Ammon into Jephthah’s hands. When Jephthah returns, his daughter, an only child, makes her way outside to welcome him home. Two months later, Jephthah regretfully fulfills his promise by burning his daughter as a sacrifice to God (Judges 11:29-39). Why would God allow a man to offer an innocent person as a reward unless God also intended for certain people to be mere possessions?
While David is King, he decides to conduct a census: a horrendous sin in God’s eyes. As punishment for his poor decision, he is to select among seven years of famine, three months of fleeing from his enemies, and three days of pestilence. Unable to choose from the offered catastrophes, God picks the three days of pestilence that result in the deaths of 70,000 men. Women and children weren’t mentioned, not that the Bible considered them to have any real value in the first place. Again, God murders enough people to fill a sizable city for the “sin” of one man. David subsequently cries out to God and asks him why he wants to murder innocent people who had nothing to do with the decision to execute a census. Of course God doesn’t provide an impossible answer for this sensible question, but his reasons scarcely seem morally or ethically justifiable (2 Samuel 24:10-17)
Instead of directly murdering people or using his followers to execute similar commands, the apparently insatiable God begins sending animals to kill those who displease him. On one occasion, he has a lion kill a man because he refuses to hit someone (1 Kings 20:35). God sends his lions out again to kill a group of people who were new to Samaria. The reason for this atrocity is their lack of worship, even though they were never informed of the proper worship methods (2 Kings 17:24-26). However, this supposedly insignificant detail didn’t halt God from killing them. He had to have known that he would eventually murder this party, but instead of properly instructing them, God just kills them. There’s not even a miniscule resemblance of justice in the Hebrew god.
In an exploit of inconceivable irrationality, God sends forth two bears to kill forty-two children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head (2 Kings 2:23-24). Why would the omnibenevolent God feel the necessity to have two bears viciously maul little children for acting like…children? This is supposed to be the same “wonderful” and “loving” God who promises us eternal life, but an entity capable of these inane activities could certainly change his mind and banish all of his worshippers to Hell. Christians never have to justify such passages because, of course, they never read them!
There are soooooooo many others these are just a few. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
I can only assume you're joking with both comments.
If you've read the Old Testament you see a god who encourages the Hebrews to destroy cities, kill every man there and take away and molest every woman. Damn girl, he even advocates the killing of children. So he's not a murderer? Those are the acts of a "sane" god? You want the passages, no problem, I can post them. There are a lot of them though so I'll just give you a few.
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
Kill Men, Women, and Children
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
God Kills Babies
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)
Kill Old Men and Young Women
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)
More molest and Baby Killing
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives Molested by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
And that's just for starters!!! There are pages and pages of literature that show the Old Testament god was a slavering maniac.
As for translations!!! Yes there have been many translations (I've already said that) but changing one English word to another is not a translation - it is a modification.
The Bible has been modified and upgraded.
Quick Example: Go take a look at the King James Version and compare any chapter with the same one in a 20th century version. You'll find some big differences. Some of them quite eye opening.
As an aside, my personal favourite is a passage where one word has been changed:
1 Corinthians 13:4-8
You'll find that the word "Love" has replaced the word "Charity".
To me that means that both are one and the same.
No. If you take a look at the god of extremists and fundamentalists, you'll see that he is the same as the jealous, murdering, war-mongering, arrogant, insane god of the Old Testament.
That god had to behave like that - he was just starting up a new religion and conquering lands and needed fear to get his followers behind him.
But times moved on and if you take a look at the New Testament, you'll see a much more caring and loving figure. God moved on with mankind.
The literalists are the people who go back to that fearsome Old Testament god and use him to justify their actions.
If you take a look at Islam and Judaism you can see this at work. Both have the fearsome, tribal god and if their scriptures are taken literally, violence is justified. It's why the two sides can never get on with each other - their literal interpretations mean that they are constantly at war with each other.
I must simply conclude that you didn't even bother to read the list of contradictions in the link http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html. Why because the contradictions are not summations from atheists interpretations of biblical verses but actual and clear differences from verse to verse.
Don't know about the above comment but I definitely am not out to make you an unbeliever in God. I just want to encourage you to think critically about all things and simply not just accept things on face value. I'm sure this journey of knowledge and enlightenment will bring you closer to "God" than you ever thought.
There is a big difference between reading the Bible as the Word of God and taking everything within it's pages literally.
One has to realise that there are many, many things that cannot be taken literally and that these things need examining. For example, it is a book of politics and a book of history and one must always take those things in context.
I give you an example: In Leviticus, God forbids the eating of many food-stuffs. The vast majority of these are things that are poisonous when left unrefridgerated - ie: Pork, shellfish, etc. For the early Hebrews, who were a nomadic desert tribe, the last thing they needed on the eve of a battle was a dose of food poisoning so it made sense to steer well clear of them. As an army that needed to conquer territory and cities, it simply could not take the chance so it was therefore banned. This has transferred down the line and the Jews and the Muslims who live in warm climates still practice the ritual of not eating these foods. Evidentally, the fact that they now have fridges seems to have slipped their minds.
To those who take the Bible literally, they think that these foods are banned simply because God stated so. They don't look for a reasoning behind the rule and therefore are unable to accept that times change and mankind moves on. They don't question but follow blindly. They are stuck in the past and therefore they keep God stuck in the past. And unfortunately, this causes a hell of a lot of the problems we see in the world today.
Actually, it has more editions than any other book - from the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic it was originally written in, right down to the present day editions. Not only that, but it has been translated into more languages than any other book.
that 'Hanah in the bible was a barren woman, how come dat when she prayed to God dat she become pregnant. and they concluded that God must have pregnated her. meaning God marry just like humans', they even said He marries about three women - sarah, Hanah and Mary the mother of Jesus.
now, can u call this contradiction or blasphemy against the Holy God?
judge for urself whether it is really contradication or gudgible thoughts from non-christians.
If it is carefully edited and narrated storybook as you said, how come
1. it is more than 2,500 years old and still valuable and accessible
2. its contents is still applicable and practical for our everyday life
3. its the most widely distributed book!
4. its has no edition - as in, edition 1, 2 and so on.
5. its author is God and not to any human. for all its title is 'Holy Bible' or 'Holy Scriptures' ?
This is probably the most comical trail of posts i've read in a while. First you ask if any contradictions in the bible can be posted, when you then get a whole list of contradictions you conclude that the persons seeing this contradictions can only be blasphemous non Christians. Why bother to ask this questions if you already have a preconceived unshakable beliefs?
It is only non-christian that will deem it fit to see contradictions in the Bible. this thread was meant for christians who depends on their 'pastor's sayings' and not on 'what God's Word (the Bible) really says.
Moreover, if any non-christians wnt to use this avenue to insult God Almighty, he/she shld not forget that God is Spirit. and that it is better for u to talk down on ur fellow humans, as one will be forgiven than on the Creator of the Universe, becos there is no forgiveness. moreso, vengeance is mine say the the Lord God.
udyro. the bible is the written word of God. if some christians dont believe it, it is unfortunate. it is eaither their pastors have been too busy preaching and promoting themselves instead of teaching this people the truth. such chriastians should seek personal relationships with god and they will discover immense truth in the bible. it is the written word of God and the more you study it, the more it becomes real to you. chao!