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Does A Pastor Trully Need A Private Jet ?

This new trend of private jet by men of God is worth debating as its a source of concern in the xtian fold, lets debate it. I think is private jets is not necessary. lets hear your views, in a very civilized manner pls

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This thread has taken a new turn, as almost every one one NL, this is a very hot and sensitive topic. the issue of money and how its being spent in the body of christ can not just be treated with a kid glove, i have seen numerous xtians who have left the faith cos of money issue. Believe me God is interested in how the church handles the issue of money. I hate to think about some amerrican ministers who were forced to declare their income due to excesive lifestles- multi-million $ Mansions, fleet of jets, fat salaries for themselves and family, in fact one of them has million of dollars stock pilled and still go on tv to ask the public for fund in order to support God's work. My advice to xtians is to be convinced in their heart about their giving. if u arent conmfortable about any giving, dont do it, otherwise you will be angry with God, thinking he defrauded you, and u wont be blessed for such giving.

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For the likes of JoAgbaje- Matthew 7:21-23

"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, ye that work in iniquity!’" Be warned,stop leading millions astray.Your day of reckoning is coming.

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^^ That's a classic piece right there, good job nuclearboy.

I find it hard to believe these CEC/Love World inc. folks don't know what they are doing for the most part. Don't forget Kunle exposed Pastor Joagbaje as Goodluck's local CEC branch Pastor here on NL but he refused to accept he was the same guy mentioned in the article.

Not even the birthday greetings to 'Pastor Chris' where he showed the same email address could sway him otherwise.

I have learnt a lot on NL, not all that glitters is gold and not all that claim Christ even know him.

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This "Pastor Christ" thing seems to be quite common on NL - I believe this is like the 4th time I'm coming across it. I pray it remains just a mistake which we strive to correct. However, Joagbajes further claim that "we are Christ" makes me wonder.

Joagbaje, no wahala what you call yourself but just as calling yourself "Goodluck" won't make you president, calling your pastor "Christ" won't make a difference to who he really is - Pastor Chris Oyakilome, respected by many and reviled by as many; believed to be a man of God by many and to be a fraudster by many others. It will not make him Christ.

However, one thing these "boasts" definitely do is make Christians look like a deluded set of individuals when they say Christ is God and they are Christ. Not only christians read these posts and it smacks of hypocrisy, pride and total insanity to hear such claims of divinity. The Apostles were much more humble and careful with what they said - yet these were people who raised the dead openly, got cripples to walk and were bitten by deadly snakes. That last reminds me of a pastor who supposedly was shouting "praise the Lord" in church, got excited and carried away and jumped with his hands stretched up. Sadly (for the bugger), there was a fan operating above. The inevitable impact between hand and fan-blade(s) solicited a shout: "yee Shangooooo"

I wonder what you shout, sir.

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Pastor Joagbaje,

No one is above mistakes especially when it comes to typing, it does seem like a calculated (intended) mistake as one of your fellow CEC folks already made the same "mistake" that was pointed out. same with the capital C and lower case c mistake on both right?

We strive to be like Christ but we are not Christ as he can't be replicated.

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@Ogajim,

have you not made mistake in typing before? Dont make an issue about this. You know it was not deliberate.

But that doesnt take away the fact that we are Christ.

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I pity your condition. How can you be attending a church you dont believe in. What are you doing there. You are a contradiction if  i may say. You dont have convictions. a real man you live by convictions. It is said ," if you are not leading, or following, get out of the way" live for a cause

That is living for a cause brother. Were people not giving for projects in the bible? answer me. From the building of the temple to welfare for the needy?When Paul announced for money to be laid aside every sunday saying to them, " for God  loveth  a cheeeeeeeerful giver" what would you do if you were there? What do you do with your own money. We take pleasure in giving, we have fulfillment is serving God with all that we have and we are blessed for it.You are the one having a problem here been unable to give . You may critisice  pastor Chris but at least he is doing something for his generation. What do you offer?

If there is any business Pastor Christ is running  as some of you claim,, Then he must be running it like any business man. paying tax and duties etc. But whats your problem with that? If a pastor is not working, trouble. If a pastor  is doing business, i thought there should have been commendation but its trouble still.

You definately dont know Pastor Chris, He is not a worldy man. Forget what you see on TV. He live a very simple life. He recieves a lot of gifts Just as Jesus , Paul, elijah , Elisha did.

Luke 8:2-3

   And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, [3] And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

He doesnt spend money on personal thing.He puts everything into the work of ministry. He wants to reach the entire world for christ. This can only be achieved by technology.That is why everybody love Pastor Chris. And he is a great giver. Listen to his messages.

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I understand your point nuclearboy, I do have a study group that meet informally any chance we get even via teleconference sometimes. We can't "forsake the gathering of Saints" so as not to our growth in Christ Jesus.

It is also our Christian DUTY to educate those in "spiritual bondage" self or "MOG" induced!

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. . .surprised no one has rolled out the Jesus was materially rich argument yet, to buttress their egomania.

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@ogajim:

Its not like I don't get what you and kunle are saying. However, how many people look up to you guys who see you attend, assume all is well and sit easy? They might not be able to sift out the weeds from the fruits, if you get my point! And for these, you've provided tacit support, though not deliberately.

But I guess man cannot be an island anyway. God help us all

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@Kunle:

I get your point. I hope you remember I am totally in support of Ganjaseed's position - I was just looking for some way whereby disapproval can be shown. I guess at this point, the only thing that comes to mind is the advise to pluck out our eyes if they will see us to hell. Maybe its time to cut out the social gatherings

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@nuclearboy

The problem is that Nigerian churches in diaspora also serve as a sort of social platform were nigerians can meet regularly with other nigerians. As such the real attraction to most of these churches is the social benefit and not necessarily spiritual/religious.

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@Ganjaseed:

Nice thoughts and posts but one thought comes to my mind reading you - considering what you say and believe about CE, do you feel morally justified still attending that church? Sorry but I feel you "offer" tacit support when you still come together with them. Imagine that out of 400 members, 300 think and believe as you do yet quietly attend. Wouldn't they be better served by "coming out" so the leadership can ask themselves what is going wrong when the pews become empty?

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@ogajim

You are right my brother people like pastor joagbaje might be those having their little gathering anticipating to get rich with peoples wealth at all cost. I can say this to any GOC face to face, "they have no need of a private Jet" Having a private Jet is indeed not a sin but for a church that does not manufacture anything for commercial purpose but lied to the government that they are non profitable organisation but have more money than legitimate businesses in the country. Can anybody tell me where the source of the money used in purchasing these things came from ? Surely from tithe, offering and donations, if this money is diverted to purchase a private Jet, are they doing the right thing like that ? what happen to the fatherless, the widows and the less privilege in their midst ?

Nigerians are very brilliant people we love education, but not many can afford it, but we have churches in the country with a private Universities all over the place how many of their members who even contributed money to the building of that university are students there ? can they afford the fees? Yet we clap our hands to hail these GOC's and some even respect their philosophical deceptive words and ready to hang their neck for GOC's.

The Bible says " The blessing of God maketh rich and added no sorrow to it" Private Jet for these churches is not a blessing from God because we have already seen the sorrow which is being attached to it (maintenance, fueling, crew members, landing and taking off fees, insurance and TAX) If you put all these money together per month it will surprise you how foolishly they have been busy fulfilling their selfish purpose and not the purpose of God.

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This question will be better restricted to Pastor Nigeria. i.e does a Pastor in Nigeria NEED a private Jet?If it's need then the most likely correct answer will be a resounding NO. But they have not committed a sin by having a Private Jet.

If the Pastor purchased the Private Jet from his own (or family) hard earned money and seeks to maintain it personally, then he is free to do that. But in a country like Nigeria with high unemployment rate, high poverty level etc it will not be better if he does not spend such money on a private jet. Unfortunately, the rumour going around is that those with the private Jet might have purchased them through other people contribution and possibly maintained the Jets with others money. It will be 'embarrassing' to the Lord if the Tithes and offerings' were spend on this in Naija or if the poor members were levied- either indirectly by motivational sermons on giving or directly not to talk of using stolen public fund given by church members (that in the heart of the 'man of God' is unexplainable by the regular income of such contributors) to purchase and maintain them.

If Paul, Peter, etc were here would they have spend the church money on Jets? How come we did not read about the Donkeys, horses, ship they bought to facilitate their evangestic outreaches.

Men and Brethren, let no man DECEIVE YOU. PRIVATE JETS LOOKS LIKE THE MANIFESTATION OF CLASS EGO COMMON AMONG THE RICH IN NAIJA WHICH UNFORTUNATELY HAVE ENTERED INTO THE CHURCH.

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^^^ Ganjaseed, Pastor Joagbaje already stated on this thread that the Pope couldn't afford a private jet hence he doesn't own one, now you see the kind of information he has access to for him to draw such conclusions. He might need some EDUCATION for him to understand Church WEALTH vs the HUMILITY, AUSTERITY lifestyle required of Christians.

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@Joagbaje. I still worship at CEC here in Holland, I have seen a lot of things that makes me shake my head and say indeed Jesus will bounce so many pastors and followers like you back on the last day. The message of CEC looks ok and sound when you hear it, but if you really follow it up you can almost tell where he is going to end up the message, its all about bring money and God will bless you. Every little project is CEC the members will be ask to contribute money to carry out that project, but what happened to the Big business empire Chris is running in the name of the church ? is there no profit ? who owns that profit? where does the profit goes to? The money raised from rhapsody alone is enough to print copies for distribution for another 3 to 4 years without having to bug anyone for more contributions. Look these guys are running a profitable organisations agree with me or not.

The Roman Catholic can afford to buy 10 jets at once if they so wish to do so, because they have more than enough for such waste spending. There are villages in Nigeria that have not heard the Gospel why these pastors are not going there to establish a church or use that money to create awareness of our Lord Jesus Christ? Pastor Chris will soon announce his own Jet watch out!

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A pastor doesn't need a private jet!

Talk about Vanity!

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Well. . . I think a pastor need one, as long as he can affored it. He aint spending anyones money, its he's. BTW, if he cannot aford one and I can, I'll simply buy him one and continue driving in my Lambohrgini

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Really?so it is o.k for them to enjoy ur money and use it to groove, while you wallow in poverty?And you still pray for them to make heaven after blatant acts of unGodliness?You are simply brainwashed.In essence you that has suffered here to make sure they enjoy their groove will end up suffering where? In hell?

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Nothing wrong with anyone buying what they can afford, the question is how did they get the money, ask your selves who gives them the money. Frankly i think they will enjoy the money here and go on to heaven to continue the groove.

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Pastor Joagbaje is free to call Jesus Christ any how he sees our savior to each his own plus each of us have to "work out his/her own salvation with fear and trembling" unless this doesn't apply to the "wofers"

UK prime minister, German Chancellor don't  own a jets, British airways/Lufthansa, I am sure there are plenty of countries that don't feel the need to waste their resources like that.

Churches that are supposed to look after the body of Christ should even be more careful with resources than secular authorities but I guess some of them want to measure up with corporate CEO s hence the need to act like them.

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@Poster: Does a president trully need a private jet?

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You are very wrong, are you not seeing tranlations of rhapsody in all these languages? We are reaching them also through satelite , and we are getting so many responses. Try get one of the decoders and see how many muslims have come to faith in those islamic nations. Many travelled all the way for healing school and got healed. Internet is another medium by which we are reaching them. That is what we are using our billions for. Give us few years from now if Jesus tarries and see how we wiil network the world through the gospel.

The word of God is the first change agent.That is why the world class rhapsody is been made available for all. In their languages. We have them now in almost all nigerian languages. and we try as much as possibe to make it free for people. especially during independence celebration. We pay for millions of copies of these materials and give people , from Aso rock villa to anthony villa and ajegunle ghetto.We have a dream to make it available to all nigerians free someday. Change is taking place already in Nigeria. We are changing mindset of people .

We have The REACHOUT NIGERIA campaign every october 1st. To awaken the spirit of patriotism in the nation. We brought joy ,laughter and celebration back into our independence celebration which the nation has forgotten.We reach out to less priviledge children. through the INNER CITY MISSION. accomodate them and give them scholarships. We have hostels for them in different pars of the country. Our branch in PH gave the model school, there 5 million nara library material and built a high tech computer centre in the prison in ph. one of the lagos branches donated hilux patril vans to aide The nigerian polic work. These are just few among many many things we do with our billions.

So Why do you have bad belle over a pastor wearing designer suits. Is the suit for animals? Is it not for human beings?. what do you recommend for them to wear?

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*shake my head* @ the argument of the jesus freaks degenerating from my god is better than your god to "my church is richer than your church"

mr. joagbaje, why dont your multi-billion dolar pastors reach out to poorer nations like rwanda and afghanistan where they truly need to hear the gospel instead of establishing multi-branches in the UK and the US where the pounds and dollars is at, and where they already have enough of these blood sulking churches, if the sole aim of the ministry business is not money but spreading of the word?

how has the present expansion of prosperity peddling penterascal business enterprises affected our homeland nigeria? why are people still more greedy and corrupt and the poor still more impoverished while all the penterascal chalatans have to show is expanding business empires, private jets, mansions, designer suits etc? how positively have they impacted our society apart from the promotion of more greed and the reverance of the greedy (thieving politicians and thieving so-called men of god dog)? my boy, "charity begins at home". if nigeria is still rift with sin and corruption (and poverty) what is the essense of acquiring multi-million dollar private jets to go spread the gospel to others?

these thieves called themselves, bestowed on themselves titles, and have continued to sulk the ignorant masses into giving away their hard earned cash in these hard times just so they "can live the lifestyle of the rich and famous". And that is the only reason a private jet was bought

joagbaje, thanks for your support rendered to the thieving men of gawd.

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So Ogajim tell us . How many people did Jesus Christ of nazareth converted in his earthly ministry.

From my understanding of scriptures , he expects us to do more than he did.

John 14:12

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

So Ogajim, how many did Jesus reached.

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were you the one that gave him the gift ?

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Heck if the pastor get a jet can I at least have a car?

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Did Adeboye buy the jet or it was gift

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I went to a catholic pry school. I didn't see any pope donation. I paid. In my days of ignorance of healing when I used to be sick I was going to catholic hospital. I paid . Where is the pope donation. The only thing I saw free was idols and images of baby Jesus and Maria! And so called saints.

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You really think the pope can't afford a jet?

The roman catholic church is more than 1000 times richer than RCCG,CEC,WINERS  put together,but the pope will never buy a private jet because milions of people all over the world are dying of hunger,he would rather wish that the money is channelled to charity.

In 2002, the Church's Catholic health care system, overseeing 625 hospitals with a combined revenue of 30 billion dollars, was also the nation's largest group of nonprofit systems.[14] In 2008, the cost of running these hospitals had risen to $84.6 billion, including the $5.7 billion they donate.[15] According to the Catholic Health Association of the United States, 60 health care systems, on average, admit one in six patients nationwide each year.[1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_the_United_States

The $5.7b,they donated to health in america alone is far above the $20m Adeboye spent on his private jet.

I now see that pastors use private jets to heal the sick and hold crusade

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a jet is a jet , nuttin special bout it.whats da big fuss,

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Am sure some twenty years back if a church should buy a bus it was seen as waste. And a pastor should own a bike he was considered fake. Private jet talk, is a matter of time.

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Pastor Joagbaje is back from vacation/hibernation and already on a huge role distorting the Scriptures!

None of you so called MOGs can even touch Paul, Peter, John, etc let alone our Lord Jesus Christ who GAVE his LIFE on the Cross for our sakes.

Why was he going about with crew members, when they should have been productive in the society, they were jobless and eating people's money! FLEECING THE SHEEP!

I pray for your repentance from the blasphemy you just posted, no wonder you call your man "pastor christ" Jesus took 12 Apostles and made Disciples out of them(with the exception of Judas who was in LOVE with money like a lot of your ilk these days), ROR is not the Holy Bible dude!

FYI: The Catholic Church can buy RCCG, Winners, Love-world, Mountain of fire, etc and still have enough spare change to buy Nigeria and the rest of Africa and yet the Pope doesn't own a private jet. You guys appear to be plain NUTS worshiping your MOGs instead of Jesus Christ our true savior.

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Was there a Jet in Jesus's day? You cant compare the ministry of Jesus with today 100% .Jesus functioned in a smaller world and reached only few people. But now the story is different .If jesus were alive in our time, will he still be trecking ? Will he treck with only sandals from lagos to kaduna? Will he treck to America or japan. He used the technology of his day, didnt he chatter boat for himself and his crew members? Did he go with regular public boat? .

Mark 3:9

And he spake to his disciples, that a small ship should wait on him ,

Why was he going about with crew members, when they should have been productive in the society, they were jobless and eating people's money! FLEECING THE SHEEP!

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Oh yes, we do know his assignment and his calling!

Unless you want to tell us that his assignment and calling are different from this, in which case I'll have to admit that I knew that all along.

All these men of God that travel with entourage when it is a fact that Jesus sent us out 2 by 2. Those were his instructions. Sandals without an extra tunic is a far cry from luxurious private jet.

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Matthew 7:1

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

It is not anybody's business what a man ride. You didnt call him, You dont know his assignment or calling. Some ministers travell a lot by the reason of their calling and some had to travell with so many crew member. commercial flights have delayed some of them and many atimes they have to chartter a jet, If such will deem it right to buy one for the ministry because of the crowd that work with them, and also having control of their time, i dont think its anybody's bussiness. Many ministers in the world recieve their jets as gifts and as an answer to their hindrances. Archbishop Idahosa one once offered a jet as gift but he declined saying he may not be able to maintain it. by the way is private jet made for animals? is it not for human beings? What is in it that God cant give a man should the need for it arise? If a man has a wrong motive for acquiring one, it is between him and God.

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Keeping up with the "Jones-es" is one VALID reason a jet would be needed, once their "followers" come now, they will tell you how much travel has to be done and how chartered flights or 1st class tickets won't suffice and how you need not "touch my anointed", the list goes on.

"he who have ears, let him hear" , "by their fruits, ye shall know them"

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I dont think we should burder about this for too long. Buying a jet is not the issue, My question is, how long are they able to maintain the jet? The cost to maintain the jet in a month is enough to buy 15 people ticket (return) to Europe, that is what one single man will spend from the church pocket because according to him he is going to where ever to preach. Think well people, God has not directed this guys to acquire these jets. it is strictly from their heart.

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Depends on how big his ministry business is. If he has to save souls extort people at a lot of different places and he'll be making more than it costs to run the jet, then he needs it. If he can afford it why the hell not? He works hard for the money so he can do whatever h wants with it.

I don't think he even has to need it. He can buy it just to let u know that god y'all have been good to him. Alleluia!!

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honestly speaking, any day my pastor buys his own jet, thats the day i will lleave the ministry, cos he will surely be distracted by the jet, moreso a lot of the ministry funds go into the operation of that jet, precious money that could help uplift the brethren who are poor. There are committed xtians who are sincerely in need of financial assistance in virtually all the churches of these "private jets owing pastors". To me this is the height of insensitivity on the part these pastors, what happened to compassion, brotherly love, being ur brother's keeper, bearing the burden of one another, etc etc. Our pastors should know that their job is not only to preach in the pulpits, but to be personnally involved in their members' lives. There is no amount of justifications for that "investment"

We have very busy business owners whose networth are in the billions (in whatever currency you like it) and most of them arent owing a jet, most of these men have a true need for this machine. God will deliver the body of christ from his men.

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Amen my dear. But lets be specific, apart from this their greedy personal jets, even the universities that they opened, which I thought would have been made to help the poor members of their churches is even the highest in cost among the Nigerian Universities. Am confused, is it not greedy and selfish? They are not leading as Jesus has foundationed at all. I will rather like to know them as merchants than men of God, or wat do you guyz think?

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i think there are a few threads on this topic

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None of them deserve a private Jet,,,I do not see any reason so far given to validate the why they should have it.Its simply a thing of class,,,It does not add sny spiritual or economical values,,,rather it stirs up issues that questions the Integrity and the drift associated with these present day CHURCHES,,,

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