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Does It Matter The Day We Worship?

I have had a lot of people saying it doesn't matter the day you keep holy or worship, but going through the scripture which we christians use as our standard, i discovered the seventh the to be on sarturday but the question should be; why are we worshiping on the first day of the week instead of seventh commanded by God?

On this question i haven't get any conviencing answer.

And second question is what is the significance of that seventh day we were commanded to worship?

Why did God in the fouth commandment used "REMEMBER" instead of "THOU SHALL'' He used on the other nine?

I'm always afraid when i read {Mark7:7,8} i wonder whether one after strugle here to worship God could in return have such a rebulk ' in vain you worship me keeping the commandment of man'. I need a sound reponse whether Sunday abservance could not be regarded by God since it is the firet day of the week.

Please any body that want to comment should consider these three things done by God on the seventh day; He rested on it, He blessed it and hallowed it.

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@deamnaira,

I don't think there's any need to beat this subject further if it's not yielding good returns. The question here is not about whether or not to "worship" God; but rather it matters that such worship should be done on a particular day. Seventh-day sabbatarians insit it MUST be Saturday according to the Sinaitic Law; but my replies are simply to show that such an insistence misses the whole point of what the Law points out.

Now, if the message of the angel in Revelation you hinted above is about the "sabbath" Law, could you help us see the point? But if it is not so, what then should we make of your replies?

I'm interested in the topic of this thread; and look forward to whatever is being contributed that would be of substance to further our understanding thereto.

Regards.

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Pilgrim.1

   Do we continue in sin that grace shall abound?

Through christ who trengthen me i can do all things.

Do we then say the law is sin? {Rom 7:7}

The THREE ANGEL MESSAGE which is message for this our generation goes thou  'And i saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the EVERLASTING GOSPEL to preach unto them that DWELL on the EARTH, and to EVERY NATION, KINDRED, and TONGUE and PEOPLE. saying wth a loud voice, FEAR GOD AND GIVE HIM GLORY, THE HOUR OF HIS JUDGEMENT IS COME: AND WORSHIP HIM THAT MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA AND FOUNTAINS OOF WATERS.'

That is my message to WORSHIP HIM THAT MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH. f or those of you that say it doesn't matter, no it that it does matter because sabbath is to acknowledge Him that made heaven and earth. Remember the controversy b/w christ and satan is not who is stronger, but who to worship; who is saying the truth?

You can observe any day but remember the seventh day to commemorate God as your creator. 'If the years should make wrong right the devil would well deserve to be the most just one on earth for he is now over five thousand years old' said by Martin Luther.

That you have been keeping sunday for more than a thousand years can't make it right since you can't find support in the Bible for keeping it.

Or you can make me a liar if you can give only one Bilble verse that says we should worship on sunday.

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Pilgrim.1

Going through my previous posts you will see the differences of the two sabbaths and the importance of the seventh-day sabbath to the ceremonial sabbath few references i provided to guide you, so telling me to delineate it again for me seem to be perambulating over issue that had been treated.

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@dreamnaira,

I'm sorry to take that explanation as treating matters only on the surface - especially because I don't see how you have actually distinguished between both types of "sabbaths" you're trying to distinguish. Could you please provide some references to articulate how they are distinguished or delineated into

* sabbath of the ordinance (or 'ceremonial sabbaths')

* sabbath of the Decalogue?

What precisely did either of them involve that we could not find in the other? And what are the reasons why you think one was more important than the other?

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Pilgrim.1

  The different b/w sabbath of the ordinance and the sabbath of the DECALOGUE is simple to understand. The sabbath of the ordinance eg. sabbath of the PASSOVER was antitype of the Children of God passingover to the heavenly Caanan which Christ was the fulfillment. The lamb used on this ceremony was pointing ro christ {the llamb of God that was slained before the fundation of the world}. While on the other hand the sabbath of the DECALOGUE was given man through out there generation to acknowledge God as their CREATOR.

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Dreamnaira, are you affiliated with seven day adventist? Abeg, dont misconstrue Biblical verses for your organizations/personal gain. If the Holy Bible has clearly stated that we cant be judged on the days we choose to worship God, then, you dont have any legal right to judge we, who worship on Sunday. The most important message is that Jesus Christ came to die for all of us, for our eternal salvation, so worshipping God either on Sunday or Saturday is irrelevant. I have noticed that the religious body that attempts to affirm, or even suggest that the Sabbath is the right day of worship, are typically those who are at loggerheads with the Roman Catholic Church. While I dont agree with some of their beliefs, then again, for worshipping on Sunday however is not wrong. I browsed through one site that stipulates that the Sabbath day is the only prescribed day of Worshipping God, and they listed the reasons. Though I have to admit that I did a cursory glance at those reasons, there was no mention of the Biblical Verse that I cited that has refused to condemn non adherents of the Sabbath day as the rightful day of Worshipping the Supreme Being. Lets pray to God to open our eyes and direct us in His Paths, which can only be accomplished in the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

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Hi @dreamnaira,

I've a few questions as regards the assumptions you often make on the subject of the sabbath:

[list][li]What really is the difference between what you call "ceremonial sabbaths" and "sabbath of the Decalogue"?[/li][/list]

[list][li]In what ways do they differ?[/li][/list]

[list][li]What are the significances of these two types of "sabbaths" you are trying to distinguish?[/li][/list]

[list][li]What really are the reasons why you think one is more important than the other?[/li][/list]

Thank you, and hope you'll be able to offer some pointers to these issues.

Cheers.

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Ndipe

   The col2:16-17, you quoted is talking about a different thing, to be sure of that, read from th same col 2:13-17. There is diferent b/w ceremonial sabbaths and the sabbath of the DECALOGUE.

Read COL 2: from verse 14. It says 'blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, nailing it to his cross;' the cross reference of what Paul was saying see {Duet 31:24-26] 'When Moses had made an end of writting the book of the law in a book, untill they were finished'. verse 26, ', that it may be witness against thee'. Cross check these two to know what Paul was saying. The sabbath of the DECALOGUE is not handwritting of Moses and was not written in a book. The Sabbath of DECALOGUE was written by God on two tables of stone. It was not ORDINANCE sabbath and was not against us. It is a commemoration of God as your CREATOR.

The sabbath of the DECALOGUE was not given as a result of sin unlike the other commandment but had being before sin and wll never be destroy with sin. See {Isa 66:22,23} even in new heaven the sabbath wiil be holding because we re not going there to do any other thing than worship.

God Bless

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Col. 2: 16-17 should be read by all who condemn religious worships outside the Sabbath day.

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Hi dreamnaira,

If the sabbath issue was discussed in Daniel and the Revelation to show that the Catholic Church is at the center of it all, then I am willing to consider the argument as such. However, I don't think that people should just make inferences by snatching verses from those books of the Bible just to weave Catholicism to fit the mold.

Lol, many people often see only the atrocities of the Catholic Church - but they little realize that those who often accuse others also have issues to settle in the same vein. Indeed, Catholicism has its hands full of blood; but are we forgeting that major divisions within the Protestant community has done the same thing in smaller measures?

It would be easy enough to point out the flaws in my arguments if they are based on sophistry. I often come across people who are not confident of their convictions - and such remarks only betray their weakness.

Hehe. . . please go through the relevant texts and see what is stated in them. It is not enough for people to just be accusative simply because everyone has something negative to say about the Catholic Church. I am not Roman Catholic; but I don't think it's healthy to just blame every negative issue on Catholics - that's not what Scripture presents to us as regards the issue of the seventh-day sabbath.

Cheers.

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Pilgrim.1

I don't know how far you understand the book of Daniel and Revelation, that would have guide you more about the endtime events and prophecy about Catholicism.

And mind you, catholic never claim what it had not done.

If your re current you would know of Pope John Paul II's apology on 1st January,2000. about more than 50million christians martyred by catholic church during the Dark Ages. read [Dan7:23-25] to see who fulfilled that prophecy.

I really admired the way you defend you points but it's purely based on sophistry.

I will like you to pray for God to grant you THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY.

lest i forget, remember that catholic martyred christians during Dark Ages and wll still do it again. Is either your catholic or face martyr {WHAT BEHIND THE NEW WORLD ORDER}

God bless

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It really doesn't matter but Sunday/Saturday(depending on which one is actually the 7th day) is very improtant be-cos its regarded as the day of the lord,

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wats dat?dont u know d diff btw slp n rest?it was recorded dat he restd.even dough he slpt,do u do 1 thing all ur life?he slept a long,long time ago b4 ur greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat grand parents were even tot of.

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If God went to sleep on the seventh day and Christ is worshipped on Sunday then who are they (Sunday churchgoers) praying to? Because God is sleeping, unless you are trying to wake him up and serve him on his day of sleeping . . . God worked a whole six days and now on Sunday morning he’s laying in his bed. This is how he makes this sound.

God is sitting in his chair, or laying in his bed he goes to sleep on Sunday morning, and you go to church on Sunday morning and go, “oh God, oh God, oh God.” Then you’re wondering why your prayers are not being answered. The reason why your prayers are not being answered is quite simple; because God sleeps on Sunday. You have to change the day – try Wednesday when God is up working. Have you ever tried to disturb your mother and father when they were working (or sleeping)?

You don’t thank God for health and the gifts that you have. You’re in church on Sunday begging for more stuff.

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Pilgrim.1

For more fact about the change of the sabbath from sarturday to sunday look the following ' The SUNDAY law of Contantine' march, 7 321 AD._ Joseph Cullen Ayer, A Source Book for Ancient Church History [New YOrk: Chales Scribner's Sons. 1913], div,2, per. 1 ch. 1, sec. 59, g, 285.

The latin original is in the Codex Justiniani {Codex of Justinian}. lib. 3, title12, lex. 3. the law is given in latin and the English translation in Philip Schaff's History of the christian church, vol. 3 3d period. Ch, 7. sec. 75, p.380, footnote 1; and in James A.Hessey's Bampton lectures, Sunday, lecture3,par. 1. 3d en., Murray's printing of 1866, p. 58. See discussion in Schaff,as refered to; in Aibert Henry Newman, A Manual of church History [Philadephia: The American Baptist Publication Society, printing of 1933].rev. ed, vol. 1, pp. 305-307; and in Leroy E. Froom, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers {Washington, D.C : Review and Herald publishing Assn.,1950}. vol. 1, pp 376-381.

To see where the Bible Predicted the change, [Dan 7:23-25]

Catholic church changed the sabbath from sarturday to sunday{law}

Catholic church changed the time reckoning from sundown to sundown to 12midnight to midnight {time}

catholic til date never deny this facts as you can also see their CATHECHISM for more facts.

Think you and God bless

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Pilgrim.1

   

I'm very proud of you and how you recite Bible as if you wrote them but there is one thing thy lackest. Having gone through your reply of a post, i understood  you knew that following man's tradition wll lead one no where as you rightly put it; 'will  you continue to reject His word in order to keep the traditions of catholicism'. If i should ask you this question ' sunday observance isn't catholic tradition?' Please before you answer that question first make your reseach.

i don't stand for argument but truth, you may present fact but remember before God there is nothing like 99% truth. Is either is the truth or not.

The most dangerous falsehold, is the falsehold mingled with Truth. Wth this satan decieved angels, wth this he works today. satan is a crafty being, his snares we may not understand unless the scripture.

satan never present 100% lies to decieve but 'thou shall not surely die' when God had said you will die if you eat off the forbidden fruit. think about it.

cheer and God bless

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Sorry, I'm not one of those who supposes that the Law is the "character" of God - it is simply not so! There are basically two reasons why I don't believe it to be so:

(a) the Law has its limitations - "what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh" (Rom. 8:3)

(b) the Law could not give life - ". . for if there had been a law given which could have given life,

verily righteousness should have been by the law" (Gal. 3:21)

Those who often speak of the Law as the "character" of God have failed to see the point that God's character is not "weakness" and "limitations". Like I said earlier, the Law demonstrates the principle of holiness - but it does not give you the POWER to live that life before God! That which speaks of a limitation and weakness is not a demonstration of the "character" of God. Only in Christ do we see God revealed.

Lol. . . there again, you're mistaken, my dear friend. The sabbath law is the 4th commandment amongst the 10 in the Decalogue. The very 1st commandment declares the Name of God - "I am the LORD thy God. . . Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Exo. 20:2 & 3). Also, the 3rd commandment has God's Name to it: "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain" (vs. 7).

Secondly, to assert that the sabbath Law is the "only law" that has the seal of God, is at once the same thing as rubbishing all the other 9 commandments! God's Name is connected to His WORD - and to make any matter in His express command a question of 1 out of 9 is to fall into the error that Christ warned against in Matthew 5:18-19!

You seem to have been holding on to ideas pandered about by many - they often do that without carefully checking the WORD of God to ascertain their claims. It is important that we don't swallow everything that people teach without exercising the discipline to seek God Himself in His WORD.

Lol. . . indeed the sabbath was one of the signs between God and the children of Israel unto the generations (Exo. 31:17). The other sign was "circumcision" (cf. Gen. 17:10, 11, 13). But even so, did God give the sabbath Law as a sign between Him and the Gentiles? Remember that in the Body of Christ, there is "neither Jew nor Greek" (Gal. 3:28 and Col. 3:11) - so could anyone be quoting what appertained to Jewish rites and make that a matter of Christians under the new covenant?

I appreciate the arguments you offered; but from all counts, they really don't make a strong case for an old covenant sabbath law unto new covenant believers in Christ. The true rest is not a "day" - it is rather a Person: the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

Cheers.

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Lol. . . that which is written both on PAPER and on STONE cannot be compared with that which is written upon the HEARTS and MINDS of believers. Here are the key thoughts in the New Testament:

* (a) "And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount,

and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law,

and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them."

- - - (Exo. 24:12)

* (b) "Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ

ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God;

not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. . . For if that which

is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."

- - - (2 Cor. 3:3 & 11)

Christians are not called to look unto that which is written or engraven in stone - but the new convenant is a matter of the Spirit's liberty operating in the heart of the believer into the glorious rest found in Christ.

It would surprise you that in His answer in Mark 12 to the scribe's was not taken from the Decalogue! That is the mistake people often make. The scribe asked Him: "Which is the first commandment of all?" And it would have been easy enough for the Lord Jesus to have quoted Exodus 20:3 or Deuteronomy 5:7 and recited the first of all the commandments - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." But no - He did not do that.

Rather, His first answer was from Deuteronomy 6:4-5 -- "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." As pertaining to the second, He quoted from Leviticus 19:18 - "thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". By these He demonstrated that enslavement to the Decalogue is simply not what God intended - for to be fastidious to the Ten Commandments was to miss its import while trying to make a neat division of the Decalogue into "duties to God" and "duties to man".

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Pilgrim.1

     

        if the sinai law had be done away wth, why is killing, adultry etc. sin?

The word REMEMBER used by is not a mistake by God. Bible or God is a master of semantics. The used used of that word by God was to remind them of what had being into existence. sabbath commandment was not giving as a result of sin just like all others and wll not be eradicated wth sin. Read [Isa66:21-23]. The observance of the sabbath is the only law that had the seal of God {The Creator] and if one need to understand why it is the object of satan's attack.

The controversy b/w God and satan is who to worship, no worder satan counterfeited any thing done by God. It is the same reason he{satan] introduced counterfeit sabbath.

God called out the the Isrealite only to establish His worship so that through the people of isreal as God promise to Abraham, the whole world wll come to know God and worship Him.

The issue of OLD and NEW covenant people hold on taday as the reason the sabbath is no more of effect is a misconception and misrepresentation of issues. mixing the DECALOGUE wth the LAW OF ORDINANCES or CEREMONIAL LAW is wrong. The former was written by God on two tablets of stone and kept inside the Ark while the later was written by Moses on a scroll{paper] and was placed beside the Ark.[Duet31:26}

The ceremonial law was law that Hebrew refered to as the shadow of things to come{Christ] . Crermonial law goes wth many ordinances both ceremonial sabbaths which was the law that was nailed to the cross by christ {col2:13-16}

It was the law of ordinances that was nailed on the cross {col2:14-16, Eph2:15, 1peter2:34, Heb8:13] see {lev23:2-44]. see also the law that was against us {Duet31:26]

Key for thought: [1] written by God {Duet10:4}

                          [2] written on tablet of stone {Deut10:4]  by God

                          [3] placed inside the Ark {Deut10:5}

                        {1} written by Moses {Deut31:24}

                          {2} written on paper {Deut31:24}  by Moses

                             {3} placed brside the Atk {Deut31:26}

position of Jesus regarding the law {matt5:17-19] here the law Christ was refering to is the DECALOGUE. Jesus while here on earth Kept the sabbath {luk4:16'} Jesus when confronted by a pharisee law the Greatest of the commandment, Jesus here summarized the law in two; your duties to God {Ex 20:3-11} the 1st and your duties to your fellow man the second {Ex 20:12-17}

I believe simple reasoning wll understand the position of the law even as paul put it in his letter to the Romans {Rom7:7}

The law on its own can not set any body free, but we keep the law as christians because it is the character of God which as christians{christ like] should emulate.

The sabbath law on its own is the only law that has the seal of God: His Name, his jurisdiction and His seal. No doubt satan had been attacking it!

Sabbath is the sign b/w God and His people {Ez 20:12, 20}

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Daniel 7:23-25 has been used often times by seventh-day sabbatarians to arrive at an interpretation against the Catholic Church. Careful study of those verses, however, reveal they are not correct in their inferences. Besides, even in Scripture time has been reckoned from morning to morning (sunrise to sunrise) before the supposed period of fulfillment for Daniel 7:23-25.

The Catholic Church has always claimed so many things - and they don't deny some of those claims even though they are unfounded.

Cheers.

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bobbyaf

you seem to be logical though your answers to the three questions were very clear

and sensible but does it mean that since sunday is man made and law of God Immutable as you rghtly said and as you points out that it's should be a commemoration of God as our creator, does it mean that worshipping on sunday{man made] is wrong?]

And when God used 'REMEMBER' could it be that He forsaw the time when people wll no longer keep the seventh day sabbath?

Thanx for the sitelink.

Pls, more contributions from those that held the Bible as their standard of faith.

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