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Falling Under Anointing - Hoax, Real Or Hypnosis?

In all my years of attending church, this "falling under the anointing" thing has always amazed me.

First of all, I have never fallen under no anointing.

Then there are this group of people who fall under the anointing every time the pastor moves, blinks or even farts.

I know of a man who got badly hurt after falling under the anointing from a very bad height.

I have come across documentaries and publications which have attributed this falling thing to hypnosis.

Hence my question, what is your take on this falling under the anointing stuff.

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God can really touch people with His power so much that they would fall down to the floor. Just read the book of Daniel to learn about his meetings and encounters with God. He did fall down and it says that even his countenance was changed. However, that does not happen just to anyone. Daniel was the man of God, the prophet. He served the Lord regardless of whether he felt His presence in his body or not. Today many people are chasing physical manifestations and sensations. They do not wish to believe and stand on the Word of God. They are looking for the outward expressions to prop up their faith. Many a time such falling down is nothing but emotional overdose and fake.

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Okay I just read 2 Timothy and it has nothing to do with what you have said in fact we should all take a cue from that chapter and do what it really says to do.

About being the salt of the earth- did you read the whole verse ? The preceding verse esp the ones that come after it? True one of the purposes of salt is to preserve. Matt5:13- means to me my value, my worth on earth. If I/U are preservatives/ salt we prevent something from going bad - salt does not reverse the chemical reaction that has already occured/ salt does not change what has already gone bad. Just saying.

How do we be a salt/ preservative? By our actions not by words again words are cheap.

I don't care who the problems of Nigeria are ( don't misinterpret pls) everyone has problems. Fix self' then your immediate before diving into the ocean. Dishing out blames to the pastor has done no good.

In my opinion it even does more harm giving people a reason not to want to know your God. God is a God of justice and mercy let him serve it himself in the mean time lets carry out the great commission

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At christemmbassy ...

Lol- I don't know who you have been changing but you certainly cannot change me. You can influence my actions or beliefs which might result in a change. You preach the word the Holy Spirit does the stirring of the spirit.

Tell the young babies that God loves them and that they should have faith and wisdom which comes principally from the word of God. When they study and nurture that relationship they would experience God for who he is. It's one thing for you to go to church and hear the word it's another thing for you to study and meditate on it. Don't scare the young ones with the drama and division- we all have a common goal support that goal!

Who are you and again I ask who am I to think I can save the prisoner? Have I saved myself. I can be an instrument of peace, love,deliverance but I'm sure not the Olugbala- savior. Magnify your life and see the many imperfections before trying to perfect that of another.

What do you consider the truth? Your supposed interpretation of the word of God. Tithing is wrong, premarital sex is okay, deliverance is not needed, falling under anointing is unreal- these are some of the supposed truth that I have been reading lately- of what use is that to the baby christian that you are supposedly trying to deliver from his master? He probably would save a few bucks, get an intendee to marry' pregnant and realize oops we ain't compatible, never get delivered from forces and might not even experience the awesomeness of God. Does that sound like a recipe to making heaven or a disqualification to not making it?

There's nothing wrong in speaking up for what you believe in but don't expect everybody to go down that lane with you also do not get intimidated if they don't. Know what you believe and you better have a reason why you believe what you believe so when the tides come you remain standing. You want to spread the truth go out there and help build not bring down.

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@ WAM: Jesus said-"ye are the salt of the earth" You can only understand this statement if you know the qualities of salt. One of the nost important qualities of salt is that its a 'preservative' it preserves and has ability to stop decay. So Christ saying we (his followers) are the salt of the earth, means that we are to preserve the gospel and prevent/stop the decay in christiandom, we must speak out against falsehood. I tell you the problems in Nigeria is not Gej, obj, politicianr, govts, oil/pension /bank thieves, bribery/corruption etc etc, our problems are 'PASTORS' and the church because we as salts have lost our saltiness. Nigeria will change when the church repent and change fron LOVING THE WORLD AND PURSUE THRUTH, WHEN THE CHURCH BECOME RESPONSIBLE.

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Haha- this is a typical example of miscommunication. But again I would clarify myself- of course I do care about the salvation of others. What was the auction giving to us - to go out there and make disciples. There is nothing wrong in correcting another brother in love' iron sharpens iron.

In the example I gave in earlier post - it was a personal believe of not allowing just anyone lay hands on me why impose my believe on another person? Jeez this is what I mean by personal relationship. What goes for me does not necessarily go for you and don't misinterpret that please. Know thy self and thy God. Take a cue from the bible Another example some people eat breakfast before service I don't - I cannot impose that on you I can only tell you the benefits I get from doing that and it's up to you to do what you want. On the other hand if you are having pre marital sex, lying stealing and doing the sorts and you are close to me - I would call you out in love but I wouldn't make you change. That's not my job I am not Jesus.

You cannot change the world by force instead let who you are speak for itself. When people see that they would be interested in knowing the wow factor in you. Words are very cheap.

Lastly speaking down on men who do more good than harm in the kingdom of God is.... Oh that man of God divorced his wife oh that woman of God cheated on her husband oh that's son of God bought a new jet oh that daughter of God did cosmetic surgery- who gives an ish- How constructive is this calling out? When the first jet plane owner was called out did the number of son of God jet holders decrease or increase? My point exactly what increased was a bunch of frustrated people taking their eyes off of what was important and focusing on vanity.

Do what your bible tells you to do, do right by all, love, go after holiness - Focus! Don't live your life based on what this or that is doing- you give account for yourself not for man of God.

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Lol- this is unending and again we are playing with words. I do agree with your definitions however, anointing to do the work of God is different from falling under the anointing of the Holy Spirit and those two are different from the presence of God.

We' claim in earlier posts to be defending our' faith that equates to what?

Lol about being informed you don't have to wish for what you already have :-)

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Hmmm, I can now understand where WAM is coming from and think I know what the gripe is all about

There is this thing concerning the misinterpretation or misrepresentation of "the anointing" and "the presence of God"

"The anointing" is empowerment for service or purpose

"The presence of God" is experiencing the profound communion or fellowship of God

The latter is what WAM encountered in the car listening to Kirk Franklin, an intense mental or spiritual connection with/to God

The former however is about endowing with power, giftings, equipping with skills, supplying with a talent or quality etc for services to accomplish/carry out God's purpose.

They are not necessarily interchangeable and it is a misconception where they are deemed to be the same thing.

# By the way, no one is fighting battles for God. God is more than capable without assistance or help to look after Himself.

# I wish I was informed, told earlier or forewarned of hanky pankies that are now the norm, resident and endemic in church

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^ Well said sister. Perspective is everything on the basis for which we act in whatever way we choose to act. I don't know how to respond in details but I'll make out time to respond and respond very well. Maybe later though - I need to get on some other assignment. I'll send you a PM, okay.

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Wow I'm Dazed and short of words but I would try to respond.

You have stated many truths one of which is the invasion of our faith with false hood and knowing them by their fruits but I'm sorry to say that's where that truth ends. Were we not pre informed about it in the same Word of God? Do you sincerely think that you and the whole of Africa combined can go against this false teaching? Do you sincerely think that God is in need of your help to defend a faith he created and knows its beginning and end? Do you sincerely see God's anointed ones that are performing these deliverances, miracles or preaching tithing as false teachers ?

If you do then I rest my case. May we all be enlightened.

God is the same yesterday, today and forever but the relationship he has with us is dynamic. Is it everything you practice in your Christian faith that was practiced in the bible? The bible is a guide and not a to do list. What is the ultimate goal as a Christian ? To make heaven- what is the criteria for making that holliness - what does that have to do with others?

My point exactly. It's not our job to judge or fight for our faith what makes you different ? Let God fight for himself. It is our job to strive for holliness and this is a personal walk with God. Except your a one man church you are going to be in the midst of doctrines you do not necessarily agree with- I cannot count how many times I have listened to men of God I love so much and disagreed with a couple of things they said. Hense the importance of being rooted in the word so you can sift out that which does not apply.

I would share another personal experience to buttress my point. I personally do not allow just any man of God to lay hands on me. If my spirit is not in sync with you you are not touching my head. But you would never hear me tell another not to let the man of God touch him or her. Which one is my own? Spirit is not in sync no touching moving on to the next. To drive home my point what is the end point we try to reach in proving that thiting,falling under the anointing or the preacher preaching such is wrong? How does that bring you any closer to the end goal?

Lastly we need to be careful what we say . If you are a man of God you would realize that where you were a couple of years back is not where you are. There are probably some habits that have been dropped and picked. Can you imagine being judged for what you did in the past? My point being- we are not there yet. We are all a work in progress . Even with the battle tone we are adviced to be careful lest we fall. Also remember what our righteousness looks like before God. All I am saying is to each his own- we all would give account of our actions not that of others.

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^^^ Seriously, I can't understand why someone who claim to have been healed ALREADY will come out for testimony and such person will still need to be touched in order to fall under the anointing....is that to perfect the healing or that the healing is not completed in the first place or what? I just can't understand all those show. The one that annoys me the most is when they say they are conducting deliverance for a Christian. I'm like WHAT! Deliverance? For Christian? A Christian now being knocked down by the Holy Spirit or by demon(s)? That's ridiculous mehn!

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@Goshen360

One of the spots is actually this "Falling Under Anointing - Hoax, Real Or Hypnosis" thingy which you've brilliantly just posted about

It is, as a matter of fact a relic of unquestioned pass downs practice or traditions that needs jettisoned

These public display, playing to the gallery falling under anointing palaver where the power of God is lacking from the so called anointing fallen under. Pfft.

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^^^ Thank you brother. And we must present ourselves ready as the church (bride) without spot or wrinkle. God bless you brother.

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@^^^^

Too many relics, excess baggage, too many false theological issues that need to be cast overboard

because Christ is soon coming and is expecting nothing less than a spotless bride.

He is coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle

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My sister how're you today?,

First you're mixing thing up. The issue of helping others to be lifted up is different from telling the truth as many falsehood had invaded our faith. When we speak the truth against falsehood, that's NOT the same as bring anyone down. Please, don't mix both together. By their fruit we shall KNOW them. So when 'they' begin to manifest these 'fruits', contrary to Christ's fruit, then we should understand that 'they' are those who had invaded our faith to pollute it. Hence, to that effect, we're are instructed to defend or contend for the faith that was handed down to us by Christ through the Apostles.

Two, nobody will argue the 'inspired' falling when in worship or in reference to God by CHRISTIANS at any given time. Check all the scriptures and tell me those you see falling. If it's not the inspired reference in worship by the overwhelming glory, then it will be by someone possessed of demons. Now, I'm not talking about just an ordinary church goer o. You'll NEVER see in the early Christian conducting deliverance session among themselves. The Apostles were not touching people and the people falling like 3-5 times with catcher behind them. Look at what is happening in the Pentecostal sect today in the body of Christ - They put catchers behind people ready to fall. Where do we find those things in scriptures? In most or some case, the person falls like 2-5 times as if the first deliverance didn't cast out the demons or devils.

Those demon possessed that Jesus delivered, you will read it was the demon that knocks them down. I stand by the truth, I have NEVER read where the Holy Spirit knocks a CHRISTIAN down in scriptures ASIDE of our conscious inspired laying down, rolling on the floor when in worship and being overwhelmed by divine presence and in such case, you don't have catchers to catch you. If you know one scripture where the Holy Spirit knocks a CHRISTIAN down ASIDE of 'inspired' reference in worship, I won't mind you show me. There's a difference between original and a camouflage and you will see the difference by the Spirit of God and in the word of God. Well, I'm of the opinion that many things are wrong in the body of Christ and needs to be fixed that we might present ourselves a worthy bride of Christ.

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My point exactly. I wasn't reading you with pre- conceived notions and I'm sorry if I came off as that. I'm not a fan of the labeling neither am I a fan of talking down another. We as Christians should have one goal- which is to build and not pull down. Our job is not to be the judge of who does it right or wrong instead it should be one of intimacy with God and helping others achieve that as well. I stick to my point one can fall physically under the anointing of the Holy Spirit - whether Christian or non christian .

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I don't quite get you - it seems to me like we are on the same page. I was not condemning - if I wasn't clear let me clarify. It is very possible to fall both physically and fall - as in being under the power of the Holy Spirit . So if you were saying otherwise please elaborate . Thanks

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I'm talking about the Pentecostal thing. So we're talking about two different things. It's not wise to read people with pre-conceived notions next time.

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Referencing God in worship and falling under the anointing of God during worship are two different things. I understand the Pentecostal falling your talking about but there is also falling for Christians under the anointing of God.

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You are talking about referencing God in worship, that's not the falling we're talking about. We're referring to the popular Pentecostal 'slain in the spirit'....you know about that?

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There we go again.Anyone can fall' under the anointing of the Holy Spirit. I was driving home from work just this morning and was listening to precious lamb of God by Kirk Franklin and I could feel the presence of God strongly in that car- i mean it was overwhelming -I was literally at a stop sign and could not move for several minutes. This happens to me especially during worship but this mornings was different and trust me I have heard that song time and time again.Everyone has their own person way of experiencing the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

That's why I have fall in quotations - it's not necessarily falling on the ground.

Knowledge is good but you can't figure out God using logics ( faith is not logical) you have got to experience him and that only comes with having a relationship. Always remember where your knowledge ends is where another persons begins. That has helped me a lot.

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Falling under anointing is real in the scriptures BUT ONLY DEMON POSSESSED fell under anointing. Christian? NO!

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Okay disclaimer- I did not watch the video neither did I read the opening thread. I saw a few comments and I just need to get this straight. Do you actually think falling' under the anointing is unreal ?

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Just want to resurrect it back alive.

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Hmm didnt know there was a topic like this. Guess people have been talking about it ever since.

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There are recorded Biblical accounts of people being overwhelmed during certain supernatural encounters. Peter, Paul and John to mention but a few all had experiences that resemble 'the falling under the power' phenomenon. There is also another recorded incident in John 18:6 where a detachment of soldiers with Judas stumbled and fell before Jesus. However, you will also notice with careful study of your bible that it was not a norm among the new testament Christians. so where did this phenomenon come from?

If you have read about the Los Angeles Azusa street revival of 1908, you'll understand how the 'slain under the power' thing became popular. infact several pentecostal and charismatic practices came after this revival. I do no intend to bore any one with the story so heres my take on the issue:

Yes, I believe one can experience the power of God in an overwhelming manner (not necessarily falling down) but such experiences should not rob the person of his self control or judgement. Sadly what we see today in modern day pentecostalism is nothing more than psychological manipulation.

We need not say this over and over again but what you experience in most of the churches today is as a result of an induced suggestible state. This is known as the power of suggestion, mind over matter, mesmerism etc all of these methods are employed by these preachers.

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I actually read that incident between Ali G and Benny Hinn somewhere. Personally I think majority of the these 'falling under anointing ' are fraudulent.

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hello!

I am a navy officer from Albania and i attend a Pentecostal church. the topic is very interesting and this is my answer to this question.

There are three possibilities to people falling.

1. The person's flesh is manifesting - this means that the person is under no anointing but he is falling to do like others or to look spiritual or not different from others.

2. The devil is manifesting through the person with like gestures

3.THE HOLY SPIRIT is so strong on the person that he falls under the anointing

When the holy spirit comes on a person there is such an overwhelming experience that all you think and all you want is more of God and Jesus. People are delivered healed and restored and the pastor or the person praying for you is not playing a role at all. its you and the Lord. Spirit to spirit realtionship. I have had cases where the presence of God has been so strong that you dont need to be touched or pushed to fall you just find yourself on the ground, and i am not an irrational person who just accepts anything that comes my way, in fact am rather sceptic in general.

this process doesnt involve any hypnosis, they are two different things. Hypnosis is the capture of the mind, annointing in the spirit has to do with a persons spirit, in the meanwhile your mind is under no one elses control.

God Bless Nigeria and the all the people he made in His image.

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I think its is possible to fall under the anointing of the Holy spirit as with God all things are possible. That it may never have happened does not mean it is not possible. Some people think the Bible contains the WHOLE truth but there could be other sources of doctrine outside the bible. They must however not contradict what is in the bible though this requires the Holy Spirit for interpretation. For speaking in tongues, i also believe that its real.

The thing is this things are not the important things and Paul even says this in the bible. There was a time when i fake speaking in tongues but i repented of it and would never fake it again. i have never spoken in real tongues before. As for falling, i also have never fallen. Even when pushed i stand my ground.

I found that Africans have a desire to cling to an religious line of thought as against a rational line. this affects us in many ways. Read 48 Laws of Power (Greene). It is easy to make africans worship you as they long for such cause. Give them such a cause and remove every form of rationality by keeping it vague and unexplainable.

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@ Ess,

You might be born again,attend services, but it is very evident that you need some level of godliness. Your words locate you, never forget that.

True, some Christians do not believe some stuff or the other because they are reasoning it out but the bottom line is that TRUTH cannot be changed by people's beliefs.

Some Christians do not believe in miracles, that does not mean they are no more christians. But that sounds like a life of Contradiction. How can you say you are a christian and you do not believe in miracles, and other things contained in the Gospel? That's amazing! How did you become a Christian? Did you see Jesus face to face and He told you to believe in Him? Did you not get born again by the Word of God that you heard and believed and declared your faith? Having started in Faith (believing in Someone whom you have never seen) how then do you want to end up in UNBELIEF (living by SIGHT)wanting to see things first before believing them?

Without FAITH it is impossible to please God! Even if the Pastor pushed you, go ahead and receive from the Lord and move on. Where is this talk of it being fake and all that going to lead you to.? If it be fake, you would find out in the day of Judgement. But just be sure to receive all that God has for you out here before it is too late.

That you do not believe in FALLING UNDER THE POWER or whatever you chose to call it, does not mean it is not real. Fact is you don't know who you are.You don't know who a Christian is.

The laying on of hands is an important and foundational doctrine of Christianity. Through the laying on of hands a whole lot of 'goodies' are transmitted. It could be healing, health, wealth, the Holy Ghost, etc. I laid hands on my younger brother and he received the Holy Ghost and began speaking in other tongues. That is part of the FOUNDATIONS of Christianity.

But we cannot remain at that level. There are levels in Christianity.

But let me just stop here for now,

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The physical contact I know of in the bible as it relates to the anointing has to do with the laying on of hands. anyway some men actually abuse this right given to them by people to have hands of others to be laid on them.

That's why I love Chris.

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I think you have gat a point.

Falling under the anointing is nothing short of loosing conciousness due to the stimulation of the brain.

It has been proven severally by hypnotists the world over.

No offence, but we africans are way too close minded that we are susceptible to any and everything.

Just like it is with hypnosis, you loose conciousness and fall to the ground. You feel no pain, but you can seriously hurt yourself as has been the case in some gatherings.

These hypnotists cum Pastors exploit the gullibilty to benefit themselves.

First question to all you pro-annointing people;

* What is the significance of falling?? Does it mean your prayers have been answered?? what is the meaning and why is it such a big deal in 21st century christian assembly.

* Where in the bible did anyone fall under anything??

* Is falling indicative of someone possesed of the evil spirit or someone righteous??

FALLING UNDER THE ANNOINTING is as a result of "fainting/black out/loss of conciousness" caused by hypnosis brought about by "Mass hysteria" associated with the pentecostal/modern day form of christian religious worship.

The interesting part is that we willing submit ourselves to be hypnotised without even knowing it, and Most of these pastors are ignorant of what they are doing.

Just because you do not understand the reason for an event does not make it supernatural. Ther are these breed of goats in an asian country that fall under whatever as a result of frequent seizures, does that mean they are being toppled over by spiritual forces??

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to me i believe its all lies.in my secondary school days a pastor was invited to my school to pray for us when we wanted write our ssce.and he did all sort of stuffs with those who believed in it.there was this classmate of mine who went out intentionally and didnt fall despite all the pastors effort.THEY'RE ALL LIES.

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falling under the annointing, it depends on you, your religion and maybe what u've been exposed to. nevertheless, the spirit is still as active as those days, and of course God still hyas those He uses to wrought miracles. Believe!thats all we need

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Well, to him that believes, all things are possible,

What u believe is what u experience, Shikena!

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Laceybric,

we are all entitled to our beliefs . From the description of your experience, that was postural hypotension. From the story of Lazarus, that was a MIRACLE. God's ways aren't our ways but everything strange thing that occurs cannot always be attributed to God/Holy Spirit/Anointing.

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http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-148148.128.html

Malama,

Yeah u read internal madicine.but wot I said inially is ubder the anoinnting of the Holy spirit. So wonder wot d talk is abt Postural Hypotension. Dont need to google dat at all. You see the problem with people like you is attempting to link the things of the spiritual with the things of the physical. With the things of God, its no use doing dat cos you only end up confusing yourself more.

Yeah we see things daily and try to understand it from our own point of view but deep down within us we know dat we rnt satisfied with our own expalnation. Or how would you explain how Jesus rose lazarus from his grave(tomb).

Abi you go talk say, Lazzarus wasnt truly dead and his heart went on vacation for a few days or was it hrs? You attempting to expalin dat is difficult. Yeah scientists have made several hypothesis abt tins like this but still peeps arnt convinced

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The thing dey for Bible? Abi we just want add am to scripture?

Shebi Bible don curse anyone wey add anything join God's word

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it depends on under whose anointing you are falling. If it's Gods', then its REAL, but if its someone esle, judge for yourself

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For all i care, falling under the anointing is REAL!! God's ways are not our ways, some people try to work it out, but its

not mathematics. Some men of God even push literally to take some glory, it doesn't work like that o. its not what can be explained to men. its beyond us.

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Falling under the anointing is as real as you and I breathing and that is the truth.

Let me ask you a question?

You Believe that God is,

You Believe that there is the devil,

You Believe that the someone can be possessed by demons

You Believe in occultic practices

And you believe that in the Name of Jesus that every knee shall bow

So then why is it so hard to believe that the power of God can manifest itself in man?

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i av never fallen under anointing but i think its real

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whatever I read in school and whatever grade I had isn't important. My post was to explain the 'falling under the annointing' of Laceybric. The fact that we see/hear/experience things which we have never experienced before does not always mean it is a supernatural event.

I 'came up' with fainting because that is what happenened to Laceybric from her post. Sorry,I don't fit into the mould of Xtians who see such 'unnatural events' and just say 'Glory,hallelujah etc'. The fact that such events may be beyond our understanding does not mean they are all spiritual experiences. Physical experiences occur and it takes those who understand it to enlighten those who do not.

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@ Malama

Agreed you came out with a 1st class in Medicine or whatever it is you read, but I dont think think that makes you knowledgable in the workings/ mode of operations of the Holy Spirit.

For heaven sake sister of all the things you could come up with why fainting?

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don't believe it one bit. Its all trash

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The bible says: "looking unto Jesus, the author and the finisher of our faith". The standard that God has laid down for those that are called by the name of Christ is in the BIBLE. Any idea or believe not founded upon the Word of God is mere human fabrications and as such, is nual and void either it is backed up back supposed MEN of God or not.

I'm not supprised to see that many people actually believe this falsehood because the bible said that the road that leads to hell is broad and wide thereby accomodating large numbers of people.

Please note that the standard of God cannot be compromised. The Holy Spirit of FROM GOD is gentle and He is a comforter promised by Christ to teach us all things and not to torment us or teach us gymnatism. The Spirit teaches us to leave a life that is consistent with God's words and ways - a holy life. How many of these self-acclaimed pastors lives a christ-like life; how many teaches their congregations about salvation and the victory that Christ has worn over SIN and DEATH? How many will see a poor (I mean materially) sinner on the street and park their cars to preach Christ to him.

Lest stop decieving ourselves; God is not mocked and the Holy Spirit does not make BELIEVERS fall. His powers only knocks down those that are possessed with the Demons. So, beware!!!

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Please note that true christians do not need google to learn and know the truth. Everything is contained in the B-I-B-L-E.

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The bible has it all. Anything not found in the bible is wrong, absolutely wrong.

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It borders on dangerous territory when we attempt to validate the "word of God" with feelings or some strange phenomena that cater to our feelings.  The only folks that fell backwards in the bible were the soldiers that came to arrest Jesus.  Please ! Please! Please! for the love of all that is holy and righteous, do not add to, or take way from the bible. There is a stern warning not to do so.  "Falling under the power" "aka "slain in the spirit" is not biblical. The closest i have seen in my research about the phenomena, point to its origin being from Eastern Gnostic Mystism.

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[i]The Truth is that we realy canot tell if it all a Hoax or whatever, [/i] Unitill it happens to you all, then you would know.

Fed up of all this contributions

BRB

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Okija_juju YOu know what ?

I guess

You're really a JUJU PRIEST for blabbing about Jesus Christ. huh

Are u a HUman Being, PLs let know.

BRB

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It is either a hoax or its hypnosis.

Even jesus did not make anyone fall under nothing. Even when the holy spirit came on the disciples, no one fell. So where did the church get this bull from??

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