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From Where Did Cain's Bride And Her Family Originate?

This question always intrigue me whenever i consider it. It has made it difficult for me to accept the Genesis creation account as literal.

It seems more symbolic that a factual blow by blow account of human creation as it actually happened.

Read Genesis 4: 1 - 17 from here, i am not clear of the land of Nod and it's founder and how Cain's wife came to be. Was there more than one creation? or were there another group of people on earth before Adam and Eve were created?

Your honest answers to these questions are most welcome to help throw more light on the creation account.

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@Bindex:

Definitely, Abraham, who should be addressed as Ibrahim (AS), is obviously not "Jewish or Jew," in religion or ethnicity.

If you make this obvious mistake, then I wonder where reality is for you. Let me share something with you. The ethnicity of Ibrahim, who was born in a city state/civilization of Mesopotamia of today's Iraq, could never have been a Jew. Jew as an ethnicity came even after the name Judah, who is one of the male sons of Jacob. Jacob was a grand son of Ibrahim. Could my great grandfather bear the ethnic group formed from the first name of my son? Could my greatgrandfather be called a person from Olayiwola, or is Olayiwola, through my blood, which is in turn through my father's blood, which in turn through his fathers blood, which in turn by virtue of the patriachial lineage connection, Olayiwola must claim that he is from my great grandfather's named group?

And when was the religion known as Judaism started? It can't until the person know as Judah, a son of Jacob became dominant in the cultural rhetorics of the Children of Israel. This will not come about, Judea, Jew and judaism until the death of the son of Solomon, who after his death, you had two nations known as Israel and Judea!

Go and read the Bible, again. And when you find the truth, don't be ashamed to reenter Islam. And when you do, bring mom, along. Then get married. If you can't find a wife, talk to me. I will find you a strong woman, who will help rebuild you up, brick by brick.

And in the other matters, about Job, and Elijah, Jesus, Moses, etc, you must know that an hausa man is an Arewa man, but still a Nigerian, an African and a human being. Just because a person is Jewish by bloodline, can be assumed he is by religion. The christian believes that Jesus is by bloodline alone, but not by religion. If they believe he is also by religion, then it behoves me and anyone with critical thought that the Christian could abandone the religion of Jesus and choose something else. Will they not understand that they oppose their lord god by abandoning his religion?

The muslims on the other hand say that all prophets, Jewish or not; (the none Jews include from your list Noah, Ibrahim, at least because these came before Judah, the son of Jacob), are believers, because they are the messengers and or prophets of God on earth. They are the ones given instructions to pass to man, while they themselves strictly practice the same where applicable.

It is only in the case of muhammad, a non Jewish messenger and Prophet (AS) that we see the whole of mankind was inclusive, instead of tribes, or ethnic people. Proof; the letters of Muhammad (AS) to Kings, and Emperors of other nations and kingdoms inviting them to Islam.

Go and study. And come back. I asked you to give me Verses, you have not be able to do so. A single verse, word for word, with Qur'aanic verse not superior in message or exegese to the Bible, Torah or whatever book you claim will be enough. If the verse in the Qur'aan is not inferior, which should have been the case, is okay. But should never be better than the original. But if it is better, in tone, style, message, etc, then can it be a plagiarised material?

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@Bindex: Show me, side by side a verse that the Qur'aan plagiarized, from either Bible or Torah, against the Bible or Torah Verse. Then analyse it yourself and we should know that the Original has to have more substance and better constructed than the copy.

Now you will see that, you Bindex, don't know what you are talking about. Am waiting, because a mere and empty rhetoric will not so here. Mr. Atheist thinks he will get away scott-free. No, man. it aint gonna be easy. You threw the gaunlet, you gotta walk the plank, now. Lol.

Caution, everyone: He will make me wait a whole week, before attempting to give a lame entry, pretending to have answered by challenge. Abeg, Ol Boy, quicken your foot steps. Am too Old to wait all day in the Cold for nothing.

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The bible and the mostly the Torah you deluded slave of Allah.

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Bindex, am still waiting for your proof of which book or books the Qur'aan plagiarized. Ol boy, I will nound you until you confess your follies.

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@bindex,

It will not make any sense to you if you have wilfully closed your eyes to the gospel truth and have already made up your mind not to see the light, why then will you want to confuse yourself with the facts?  But for those who are diligently and ardently seeking for answers with the right attitude and disposition of heart, I say ask and ye shall receive, seek and ye shall find and knock and it shall be opened unto you.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/who-was-cains-wife

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I did not see where the guy forced us to accept his explanation, all he did was explain logically using the written Word of God as he went along.  All you need to do is to drag your mouse (cursor) over the chapter and verse suggested in the hyperlink and you will be able to read what was written in the Word.  I will be expecting you to come up with what you understand if you really wanted to know the answers to your questions.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/who-was-cains-wife

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the guy keep saying we must accept it simply beacause it is written.

I will study it further with the Bible and come up with what i understand

thanks

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@Ovamboland,

Should I take your silence to my response to mean that your questions have been answered?  And if not do you care to share with us your objections?

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from:  Ovamboland on December 23, 2008, 11:38 AM

@Ovamboland,

If you sincerely want to know the answers to your question, then I will advise you to read all about it in the link suggested below, and if you are still in doubt then make it known so that we can elaborate further.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/who-was-cains-wife

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@chrisbenogor

your unbelief is so clear,amazing

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@Ovamboland

actually mr,there's no gap in the narrative.The fact is simply that Adam had many other sons and daughters who like him lived above 500yrs.They migrated according to God's command and were very fruitful,GOD made them so.they lived long enough to see different generations.Simply because the bible doesn't write their biographies doesn't mean they were not there.The bible says they were there.Genesis 5v4. And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years.and he begat sons and daughters.

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Although this thread has veered off to the question of whether the christian God exist or not, that is not the intention. We are only to examine the veracity of the records written by (Moses?) in Genesis for accuracy as regards how Cain was able to spread his seed without conjecture.

I feel there is some lacuna in that story or Moses? did not properly research the Jewish legend where the story came from.

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How is port harcourt Ow11, the transport situation is pretty awful.

I know Christians believe with the power of God everything is possible, is there anywhere where he it says he built it with the angels or with the power of God or something?

Even at that brother it still does not make sense, if God wanted to intervene in the building of the ark and with the selection of the animals, why not just zap all the bad people on the earth?He could have done it with very great precision since you say he is Omni everything. My point is adding the supernatural to this story only makes it more absurd and I stand that an Omni max being cannot and will not result to such circumstances to destroy the world.

I have also raised the issue of God being an Omni max being on Nairaland and I showed how all those Omni max properties contradicted each other, true I don't believe the Christian God exists, but surely that will not make every christian retreat from a healthy discussion, or are you going to attribute all the mistakes in the bible to the power of God? the fact that there are stumbling blocks everywhere when searching for the historical Jesus? or the fact that the bible contains so much inhumane practices to t he power of God?

Cheers bro.

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The bibleGod, but not the Hindu Gods or other Gods.

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Are we now saying we know science more than God ? The truth is that the confusion arise due to interference of humans with the word of God. Adam and Eve are truly the first two humans created by God.

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A Christian would believe that story even if it doesn't make any logical sense because the bible says so and Christians are what they are because they believe the bible is truth irrespective of how un-intelligible it may seem to a rational mind.

Like I wrote earlier, not attributing certain 'holes' in the feasibility of certain stories in the bible to God's influence would just invalidate it as God is being thought of as Omni-'everything'. So Chris, we can all argue on the plausibility of Noah's ark story as being true without reaching a compromise because like Image123 said if you do not believe a God exists then we do not have a basis to argue. It is only when someone decides to insist it can happen naturally(and goes at great length to spew scientific dribble)that daggers can be drawn.

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Why would God then require noah to build an ark and to gather animals?

Sometimes I am really puzzled as to how Christian thinking process is like, I am sure you can see how absurd it sounds that God could not have used the supernatural to just do what he wanted to do.

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Yeah and it has digressed to the normal question of who is the dumbest? scientists, atheists, agnostics or evangelical christians. lol

@Chris

The bible story of Noah's ark is only believable If you believe in the supernatural and that's that. The story is impossible if we take out 'the God factor' that is why only Christians actually believed it happened although not all Christians agree on the exact sequence of events.

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Bindex: lol.

I beg ol boy, take am easy.

Now tell me in any book that you will read about the fact that Fir'awn's body was preserved for future generation to see?

Tell me if you will find any book that talks about persia to be defeated by the just badly defeated Rome. Hell me any book that has Surah fatiha, Baqarah, Imran, Nisaa, Almaida. You know where i am going with this.

Tell me any book that clearly states and then gives definite reason about Jesus being just an ordinary human; a prophet and a messenger to his people alone.

Bindex, I know you are not a muslim, but you dont have to be dishonest. I stated earlier that you are an example of the silly and dumb belief that all Arewa people are muslims. Now tell me from what Qur'aan is plagiarised from; The Torah, The Sabur or the Injil? Then read each one of them. You will find Qur'aan to be different in details, etc.

Afterall, Yusuf in Qur'aan asked that the wife of his master be asked if he came on to her. That does not happen in the Torah. Qur'aan says that the goodnews of the birth of Isiaq and then Yaqub was given after the Sacrificial test of Ibrahim, of his son Ismail. How can a person who will be expected to grow up to be a father will be killed off at youth? Does it make any sense to call a second son the only son of his father?

Ol boy, think. This is my plagiarization: Think ol boy.

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Shut up there Olabowale apart from plagiarizing other peoples work what else do the writers of the Koran know?

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I wonder if the greasley bear doesnt hyberbate? Even though I am not arguing for the Christians, since I am a muslim. I know that Alla the Almighty is capable of doing all things. The animals could have been shrunk or not. They could have been the babies or not. Since they are believers and only believers were housed by this Vessel, it was not impossible that Allah inspired them to go in there, willingly and each animal in its space.

No one says that they have to eat to survive, throughout the journey. No one says that they have to be wide awake throughout the journey.

Whats so interesting that these disbelieving atheists and agnostics have not thought about is that what form did each animal appeared on earth, when it first appeared. When they ask that questions and get the answers from themsleves, they will know that Allah the Creator can do anything. If He says something happens, I believe it. I do not have to ask how, when, where, etc. If He says something does not happen, I simply and immediately accept it. I don't have to say it did happen because others are beating that drum.

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@chrisbenogor

engineer,hello.Before we enter this travel,do you believe in the supernatural ability of God or any other person so thing for that matter?It would help our discussions if you believed engr.

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@bindex

hi,how was today's service.o,sorry you're atheist.what a pity,you don't believe in miracles and you're desperate to see one.and as desperate as you are,you wouldn't even believe that any miracle in an crusade anywhere can be real.why,you have EVIDENCE that All miracles are stage managed.I'm almost certain you've seen at least 3stage managed miracles live before.That's why you concluded that way. of course,that's the way you rational people do your things.You've been to many different pastors miracle crusades before,you even wrote some of the staged dramas.You truly have Evidence.you done your homework and you've been scored

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@Image123

I have not posted much on this religion section these days because it has become boring and devoid of very interesting conversations and very interesting people.

As an engineer I want to tell you now that there is no way noah could have built that ark, I have already explained to someone here on nairaland before, there is no way the space inside the ark could have contained all the animals in the world assuming he managed to catch every specie, just catching all the species of insects alone by one man is totally impossible, not to talk of the other families.

My brother I could go on and on and show you just how lethargic it is to believe that the story actually happened, how did lions survive? How did grizzly bears survive? How did the pandas survive? Where did all the rain water come from?(that is if you agree to the scientific explanation of rain) .

I can lead you to wisdom but I cannot force you to think.

Cheers.

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I thought the whole point of this thread is about if God created any human before Adam or separately apart from the bloodline of Adam?

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@bindex

do you have a list of the names of all the scientists in your room,or you have ability to revoke their license.take am easy o.

About miracles,I've told you that you're incapable of understanding them except of course you become spiritual.If you're never seen a miracle and you're so particular about seeing one,simply go to a crusade with sickpeople,chances are that you'll see one.Or travel down to Asia,meet all this people who swallow swords and hang in the air.Anybody can work miracle this days.I bed to this later

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@ow11

scientists are particular about evidence,they shouldn't then finish in belief.They should conclude with evidence or clearly state always that what they're talking about is a learned probability.They should practice what they preach,that's all.To say that man probably came from africa is different from saying that man came from africa.We understand possibility but assertion need proof-backing.

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Yeah, The claim was thoroughly investigated and of course some fanatics would take the claim as that was all it is to high heavens. You do realise people still believe the holocaust was a hoax. It took so long because other scientists given the limited technology at the time were searching to see if other finds would corroborate the story brought forward by the cunning scientist. The story was debated upon till the truth came out. It was just to tell you that scientists do not just tell stories like you are writing just to deceive people. If anyone tries to do so, It would be brought put in the spotlight and weighed before being allowed into textbooks.

I did not try to deceive you, I only wanted to see how you approach issues and I have got my answer.

Like I wrote in my penultimate post, It seems you are thoroughly convinced that any scientific finding that doesn't corroborate with your own interpretation and undertsanding of the bible is a fairy tale and not true.

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All I want from you is to tell me the names of the scientist that believe that there was once a global flood after men inhibited the world. Give me two names and stop going around in circles. and show me your evidence that scientist have that there was once a global flood.

What has money in a fish mouth got to do with anything, the fish might have eaten the money from somewhere(a man that got drowned or something) that can be very well explained. Apart from ancient stories like the bible, koran, hindu text etc we don't hear about people turning water into wine in todays world or God leading people in wars and helping them in defeating or exterminating their enemies. Do we? Can you show me one blind man that has been healed? one independent and carefully studied and varifaible case, not the ridiculous sham we see on Nigerian TV by pastor Chris, TB Joshua and the rest of them. By the way why do we only hear about miracles like raising the dead and healing the blind only in Africa(Nigeria most especially)? Why dont we hear about such "miracles" in the US or Europe where their media is very powerful and love investigating abnormal things like that? Any pastor that claims to have healed the blind or cured any body of Aids through prayers alone will be exposed for real in those places thats why such miracles of healing the blind or raising the dead never exist in Europe. There was a Nigerian pastor that once 'healed' a girl that was born deaf in Norway, it turned out to be the biggest mistake he had ever made in his entire pastoral career, the norwagien media went after him and exposed him. By the way why can't God heal amputees? Why does God not perform miracles in of raising the dead or healing the blind in places that have a very strong and accountable media? I thought you guys believe that there is nothing that he can not do? Am yet to see any God heal any amputee, if your God can heal the blind and raise the dead etc why cant he heal an amputee? why is it that your God only performs hidden miracles? If miracles were real there would be at least one amputee who would have been healed dont you think so?

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@chrisbenogor

so you do not believe that Noah's ark existed,too bad.I wouldn't like to derail the thread but can you tell me why you do not believe?

@bindex

have dismissed some scientists conclusions as fairy tale because those conclusions lack evidence.they're mere probabilities and 'educated' guesses.Why should scientists say that a particular chinese dynasty existed at a date far before the chinese believed.yes,they excavated and discovered but they don't know for sure who lived there then.why then conclude assertively.mr,sleep I have to. I'll respond later

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@m_nwankwo

Don't mind me o.I was telling ow11 to provide the FACTS that he was continually talking about,but since he wasn't able/willing to produce them,I guessed well maybe He's passing the buck to you,that why I mentioned your name. I asked you to speak with laymen like us on the origin of man,but since its esoteric to you,well.

The concepts you listed are easy to define,anyone can copy and paste,fortunately,that's not my interest. the concepts listed are not beyond me,I just would not like to bore myself with such 'Ph.D knowledge' and details. Lets talk about what my grandmother can understand.The origin of man doesn't need to be that privileged.Tell us how Africa must be where the 1st mans came from.What happens if an older fossil is discovered in europe this afternoon,Is it possible to have a family of 8start our race?

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Why then were you discarding scientific explanation off handedly as fairy tales? owo11 has told you to stick to your beliefs and not disregard other beliefs and call them fairy tales just because they disagree with yours. moslems live by faith alone just like buddist, shirks, taoist, jews etc. Mohammed divided the moon into two halves for the world to see, you can't disprove it can you?  about 1.5 billion people living in the world belief he did, so go ahead and show me how he did'nt.

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@bindex

you don't want to say you've never heard about 'debates' and documentaries that give conclusions that what the bible is saying is wrong.That is what is called 'trying to disprove the bible'.scientists have evidence that there was once a global flood.They may not all believe in anything called Noah but they know that sometime ago,millions or thousands of years ago,water covered the world.

You're listing miracles for science to verify,its a pity you don't believe in miracles.How could science explain money in a fish's mouth,water turned to wine,blind man healed?its not done,its impossible.The natural CANNOT fully comprehend the supernatural.you continue to mention islam. Do you have a problem with them?Take your issues to them and stop complaining to me.I see Judges1v19 is very believable to you,but the records of victories all over the book of course never happened abi? How hypocritical.

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@bindex

you'll take science as a joke?you don't know about scientists who hold opposing views about global flood? hmm,study harder.Maybe you're not clear about my scope of who I refer to as scientists.I don't only refer to people who support my views as scientists.I refer to All the science people,whether Newton or Darwin,whether believer or unbeliever.They may be pastors,they may be atheists.I regard them all who are into science and its research methods as scientists.some people,educated,Drs(Ph'D) have belief in global flood.some of them believe in what you call Noah's flood,some believe in something else that they also call global flood.Their beliefs/unbelief are not what move me.their evidence or lack of evidence is not my foundation.the primary reason why I responded to your talk about flood was your discussion with someone else that science had disproven the possibility of a global flood.I then told you that some scientists consider such possibility. Their consideration or possible evidence is not my reason for believing,neither would I build my faith on it no matter how compelling the evidence.because I live by faith,not by sight.That's one statement you're not permitted to understand except you believe.

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Whoops,I really got mail.

@ow11

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@ m_nwankwo

All Image123 has is belief without evidence and nothing more, he will discard all what you have written here with an off hand comment, don't be suprised if he says they are all a fairy tale.

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I have in my last post said that I am willing to engage some one with an advanced level of knowledge (a PhD and publications) in molecular biology or allied displines. The reason is that we can understand each other and allow scientific evidence to justify or reject our positions. But your insistence on the genetic evidence for the out of African Model suggests that you are capable of understanding the matter. I do not think so but I will give you the benefit of doubt. That means I will provide the evidence with the necessary citations if you will correctly explain or define the concepts below:

1. Haplotype

2. Basic coalescent Theory

3. Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA)

4. non-recombination Y-DNA

5. Haplotype trees

6. Multilocus nested-clade analysis

7. Evolution

8. Phlogenetic trees

9. Multifaurcation

10. Gene Flow

11. Differences between hominin and African ape linages

12. Homo ergaster/erectus, Homo heidelbergenesi, Homo neanderthalensis, Homo sapiens sapiens

13. Telomeric fusion

14. Endogenous retroviruses

The concepts outlined above are indispensible to understanding the genetic evidence for the  out of African model of the origin modern humans (human body) and an explanation of the various concepts by you will assure me that I am not just wasting my time in meaninless disputations.The ball is on your court. Best wishes

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Well I can see I will make no head way with you.

Just so you know, the piltdown man was a hoax, I asked you to go and read about it because I suspected you would take it to mean I believe the Piltdown man was real. It was just to show you that no one can come and say bulls in a science room and everyone would accept it without thorough investigation. You were claiming scientists talk what they like and claim is as fact. The Piltdown man was an example of how talking nonsense without facts is not allowed in the field of science.

I wasn't asserting anything, just telling you to go and read about it and improve your knowledge on how scientists work. They are not one to tell stories without facts or baseless extrapolations driven by their own preconceived ideas.

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@ow11

good morning.even if I did not go to science class,at least I have a dictionary.I just took out my Longman's dictionary of contemporary english.It's easy for many to access.Thank you longman.According to Longman,a THEORY is an idea or set of ideas that is intended to explain something about life or the world,ESPECIALLY ONE THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN PROVED TO BE TRUE . Hypothesis is an IDEA that is SUGGESTED as a possible way of explaining a situation,proving an idea etc, WHICH HAS NOT YET BEEN SHOWN TO BE TRUE.

Now its possible that you may have more scientific definitions o,but laychildren like us can more easily grasp the meaning of this things from our small dictionary.Like you said,theories,hypothesis and principles are the tools of scientists.You let them work with their tools and stop calling them PROVED FACTS.they are not! Also,I've not called scientists all those names you're calling them like bullshit and airhead. I've only said they should stop LYING to us,claiming facts from suggestions.I'm not 'disproving' their research.What I'm against are conclusions that have no proof.Conclusions like man came from subsahara africa.conclusions like there was no flood during the time of Noah.And don't talk about saving me from ridicule,I JUST spared your blushes about 'piltdown man'.You're on the internet ow11,not in my village.People can easily check up things here so be more careful with your assertions.I believe what the bible told me about Adam and Eve being the first man in our race,and how God told them to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth.so if I find them in any part of the earth's surface,I know immediately that this ones are from Adam,replenishing the earth.I believe the bible as fact,you don't seem to.so you give us your EVIDENCE and proved FACTS and lets see it or just only believe the bible.

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What is the definition of a theory?

What is the definition of a hypothesis?

If you truly understand what these things mean, you would realise that these are part and parcel of science. Science doesn't equal atheism and vice versa. Just because an atheist is using scientific theories to postulate that God doesn't exist doesn't mean evolutionary biology or theoritical physics is bullshit.I still stand by what I've said that you can not prove scientifically that anything written in the bible actually happened as it was written yet. Maybe in the future but as at today, NO. Anyone trying to do that is just setting himself up for ridicule.

I do not know where Cain's brides came from outside of what was written in the bible. Since the Bible is silent on where they came from so any thing anyone says whether they were his sisters or they came from another generic 'Adam' is just an interpretation and no one is more correct than the other. Until we find more reasons to prove that one is more plausible, we should just believe what we want. Neither hypothesis has any facts to overwhelmingly prove the other is not plausible.

My reasons for entering this debate was not to convince you that the atheists are right, It was to stop you from making fun of what you do not know and also stop you from making the mistake many christians do. That is using hearsay and speculations from a pastor to argue with proven scientifc theories about how our earth works. The sad thing is you have stubbornly refused to learn anything new. You still use the same generic misconceptions about science to argue that scientific theories regarding how the earth works should be jettisoned for an INTERPRETATION from the bible. Not what was written, but what someone thinks the writer meant or what could have happened immediately after an event that wasn't written in the bible.

PS: No scientist has ever said life started from the big bang! Only evangelical christians do.

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Theories,principles and hypothesis.That's all you've got?where are the overwhelming facts and evidences that do not corroborate.m_nwankwo is the one to produce them.You need to do a lot of reading if you're going to be defending these hypotheses.B T W. From where did Cain's Bride and her family originate?don't tell us 'from the big bang' please. Give us answers with facts.

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Why are you doing this to yourself?

The earth being deluged by water according to geologists has nothing to do with Noah's flood. The earth was covered with water at the time of its formation and thats that. No global flood is said to occur after living organisms moved from the seas to land.

An Ice age doesnot mean the entire surface of the earth was covered with Ice!!!

Rise and fall of sea levels does not mean a flooding of all land surfaces on earth.

I will not tell you how humans migrated from subsaharan Africa because my knowledge about genetics is limited but it's a lot more than yours if I use the answers you have given on this forum as a yardstick. M_Nwankwo offered to do that and I would suggest you wait till he does.

The statement I made about 'modern science not corroborating anything written in the bible' was to stop you from trying to use geological principles to prove the occurence of the global flood. You are now jumping all over the place and asking me the inane questions that will lead no where.

I will conclude with my advice: The Bible as you rightly pointed out is a book meant to inspire us, it is not a science book and also a book that deals with the supernatural. Interpretations based on the bible should remain what they are, mere interpretations made by men trying to make sense of what they have read. It should NEVER be used as a basis to ridicule science or challenge scientific theories,principles or hypothesis.

Scienctists do not approve any theory because they want to disprove the existence of God or make the bible look like a bunch of lies.They work based on evidence and move from the known to find an unknown. They do not work with a pre-conceived notion on what to expect and try to cut and join their results to arrive at that stated notion. They simply weigh evidence and publish the reports. If an atheist decides to use it to say there in no God, that is his problem. You cannot turn around and say scientists are air heads that talk nonsense just to rubbish the bible. Finally, If you ever feel the need to argue about science, read up a book as this would make you look a little bit believable.

Have you heard about the piltdown man? I would like you to read about it and see how scientists work.

If you wrote this in a geology exam, you will receive a resounding F. There is no mention of any bible character in a science lab.

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@ow11

hi,since it seems you're overwhelmed by the EVIDENCEs of science,you can simply and constructively show us such evidence.show us how a chromosome will tell us that humans came from subsaharan Africa.show us how without shadow of doubt,'Noah's' flood of some thousand years ago is an impossible joke while a flood of 10million or 26,000yrs ago is just too sure.The problem is that people would rather believe any other thing but the bible.archaeologists and scientists are ready to tell you that some dynasty existed in China thousands of years ago where blood was raining from the sky for days,but find it impossible that Jesus even existed 2000yrs ago.Their conclusions are so faulty and devoid of proof/evidence.Its all majorly probability.A probability it should remain,not an 'evidence' to disprove the bible.

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@bindex

hi,sorry I've not been available to reply you.I've being busy all day and may so be till next week.About your request for evidence to show that geology attests to global flood,simply pick up a earth science textbook or even check on the internet.Notice however that I said 'they attest to global flood'.even more than one.Every serious geologist believes that the whole world has been covered by water before.The only thing is that they have different opinions concerning it.Trust scientists now,they behave confused about every little thing and may end up confusing the casual observer.Some believe the earth was covered up with water,flowing water.some believe it was ice. It depends on the link you're reading from,each of them give their reasons for their belief.In the textbooks,their differing THEORIES are both listed/defined.Some believe flood happened once while some believe it happens at intervals.They're not agreed on the intervals either.Some believe the Noah's flood was the most recent,some others think the last flood was much earlier.The basic thing is that they all believe that the world was earlier covered up by water(liquid or ice).

Also,I'm not saying scientific explanations are all fairy tale.please,don't get me wrong.I've said it before and I say it again.I appreciate the advance of science,both christian and non-christian scientists.What I'm against is the use of unreal evidence,probability,myths and extrapolations by scientists to make assertions and try to disprove the bible.I showed you a 'scenario' of how some of these assertions are made.If I'm wrong please show it.I've continually found God's word to be true and without fault even after trial.For you to fully understand it,you need your spirit in tune with God,if not the most simple of sentences in the Word of God will continue to look foolish to you.Have faith in God.

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The reason he keeps on saying that scientific explanations are all a fairy tale is what is really beyond me.

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Read the book of "Ismael", by David Quinn. It does an excellent job of explaining this matter.

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I have tried to let you stop arguing with science. There is no such thing as a global flood in geology! Rise and fall of sea levels has nothing to do with global flooding as described in the bible. The global flood as described in the bible is said to be unique and marine trangression and regression is a normal occurence every 26,000 years according to data gathered from cores (Ice and rock).  Every other thing you say about the origin of man or different races is your own interpretation as the bible is silent about the existence of any other peoples on earth apart from those in present day Middle East, NE Africa and Southern Europe. That my friend is your own 'prophecy' not the 'more sure word of prophecy' Peter described.

Yes you are! you are saying you know well enough to believe that all scientists are saying about genetics is bullshit and should be disregarded while an interpretation that is open to debate about the origins of man should be the best bet in its place. Modern Science has not corroborated any thing written in the bible therefore it pains me when Christians try to say so and even try to prove it. It is this kind of behaviour that made Kent Hovind postulate an Ice ring used to exist round the earth and could have been the source of the rain in the Noah's ark story.

BTW, I hate your mockery of how archaeologists, geologists and palaeontologists work. If scientists worked like that, we would still be riding camels and horses. It is either you have decided to refuse to know or you know but your dedication to an interpretation someone told you is too strong for you to be convinced what you believed is not entirely correct.

Your statement I highlighted in my 1st post should be what Christians should use the bible for and not bring it into a science classroom or debate.

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You should not railroad Image123 to believe that Adam and Eve story is false. It is written in the bible and he should believe everything the bible says as a Christian. If the bible says God created Adam and Eve, that by itself is left for interpretation. He may be right to believe in the bible because it has not been proven they never existed anyway. Where I have a problem is him trying to use an interpretation of that story to condemn and ridicule efforts scientists have made in the various fields being talked about on this thread.

He is entitled to his opinion on the origin of man and you should respect this as we all know a find tomorrow might make you modify whatever conclusions you might have drawn regarding the origins of man.

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@bindex

I did not dismiss m_nwankwo,please stop misspelling the brova's name.I explained to him why Adam and Eve were not subject to genetic errors and homogeneity.

B T W, get your facts right.Geology attests to even more than one global flood.and breaking news to you,the chinese are Noah's boys.

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@davidylan

lol.The hands of law may catch up with him soon.

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