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DO WE SERVE THE SAME  GOD? but in different ways as i believe. do you think there are 2 seperate GODS. to be more specific GOD(as in of the christains) and Allah (as in of the muslims).in a nutshell- are christains and muslims one? do they both serve one true GOD?

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skfa1 if that's your Jesus, then He's different from mine.

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is someone drinking hypochlorous acid as water?

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@olabowale,

Do you care to make sense when you address issues to me? No disrespect, but the one reason why I put you on the iggy botton is because you make such a pitiful whinging and yet arrive at absolutely no sense at all!

Please bear your concerns in a coherent manner, as long stories that say nothing at all do not interest me these days.

If there's anything you have that bothers you, please let me know precisely what it is!

Cheers.

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Seems to be the trend in Religion Forum it seems. You only wish people would ignore more of the same and try a new approach more.

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NO,we're not serving the same God, ours(christians) is GOD while theirs is god.

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you have all enlightened me more even about the bible and of islam.i sign up relax and read ideas contributed but it seems to me like we attack each other rather than answer the question.not that u cannot clarify things to each other but please lets try not to be too personal with others' responses.thanks

still waiting to be enlightened moreride on brothers

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@Pilgrim.1: When I said the Bible, even though some of your Brothers, eg. Kokojunkie, I believed corrected me that OT is not the Bible. It is as if he said that NT is the Bible and OT is Tourat. I asked them to correct by Princess and the people that will make that mistake. But apparently, he has not done that, since you quoted OT and tagged it as from the Bible. When mentioned the Bible in my response to your OT prophets calling God father, I did not exclusively attach the OT corruption to Saul/Paul. If you wanna tell us that he has a great hand in it, you are free to do so. However we see his great influence in what we see as discrepancies of the NT, regarding to what is in the OT. We see that the 3 godhead hypothesis, which never pass the test of analysis to become a theory, at least with the Muslims who refused its 'blind faith prerequisite,' and the salvation of soul through blood, death on the cross, (even though the soul that dies on the cross is cursed, but none the less, its okay for this noble soul to be cursed anyhow for salvation. Yet as we asked that Hitler was a good Christian, so were his clique; would they go to paradise? All we hear is shhhhhhh, silence), resurrection, etc and of course the rendering of the 10 commandments to become irrelevant, and other strange additions in the NT, all of them has some doing by Paul! But my dear Princess, you conveniently shunned my question to you, why then did say Adam, Noah and Ibrahim not call God father? They were Prophets, right? Noble Prophets, would you not say? Again the inconsistency abound in the Bible! Or are there some verses available that abrogated others, as a process of gradually building up the faith in the hearts of worshippers/believers and then later the legislations, as in the case of the process of revelations of the Qur'an? My dear, am giving you all kinda escape route. take one and you will see where I will take you.

I want you to go back with others and retake material that will qualify you for introduction to Islam 101. You need to cleanse your heart. I will be in England soon. You will introduce me to those who prayed and turned you to this. These are evil doers finding every which way to ignore God, just by simply believing that somebody who was innocent died for their sins. wow. what is their own responsibility to God? How is this man who never knew them and not from their tribes and never was sent to their tribe will be responsible for their disbelief? How?

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Alhaji Olabowale - I haven't been around sir, I have been very busy with work. The reason I haven't given the surahs is because I haven't had time to dig them up. I will do that in due time.

Now, if I bring up the surahs and show them to you - what then? will you accept them or will you turn a blind eye as you always have? or will you give me the same lame explanation that angels accompanied gabriel and that the 'holy spirit' is gabriel trash that you have been posting all along?

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@Pilgrim.1:

What is going on is that the Bible is inconsistent. It is because of the fact that your most ancient relied upon manuscript, is many centuries after the fact. And the Bible is based on Greek materials as if any of the Biblical Prophets from hedean islands/Greece. The revelations were revealed in Aramaic/Hebrew. These are non European languages, but semitic. Very similar to Arabic. The revisions, editions and versions and of course the initial activities of the pens changed what the prophets left in order to fit the agenda of the privileged class and the role of one name writers and of course Saul/Paul are links of the total process of the corruption.

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pilgrmil.1

okay till then , then I pray that The Lord God Almigthy would bless the works of your hand,

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pilgrmil.1

okay tilll , then I pray that The Lord God Almigthy would bless the works of your hand,

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@babs787,

You have always accused me of being an escapist when you have failed to see simply that I'm often away because of my busy schedules. I deliberately had to be late for my appointment just to see how civil you can afford to be. Unfortunately, it turned out that you unceremoniously took to your heels and logged off without a word more.

I'm not a showman like you are. All I wanted was a simple answer to my request: stop LYING for Allah.

That is why I offered you a reference point for us to hold a proper discourse. So, I'll try and repeat the offer again and wait for your confirmation or response whenever you come back. Enjoy the opportunity to launch your rascal slickers when I'm away. But for the present, kindly offer a sound simple answer to either CONFIRM or DENY the fact that Muhammad rejected the revelation of the Biblical prophets as given earlier:

Here again are my questions for your confirmation - a simple outline without your frantic drama will be well appreciated.

Now, a few things I find in the revelations of the Biblical prophets that Muhammad both rejected and denied:

(a) Moses referred to God as FATHER:

Deuteronomy 32:6

Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise?

is not He thy FATHER that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee,

and established thee?

Please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

(b) Isaiah also referred to God as FATHER:

Isaiah 63:16

Doubtless thou art our FATHER, though Abraham be ignorant of us,

and Israel acknowledge us not: Thou, O LORD, art our FATHER,

our REDEEMER; thy name is from everlasting.

Isaiah 64:8

But now, O LORD, thou art our FATHER; we are the clay,

and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Again, please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

(c) Jeremiah also referred to God as FATHER:

Jeremiah 3:19

But I said, How shall I put thee among the children, and give thee

a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of nations?

and I said, Thou shalt call me, My FATHER; and shalt not turn away

from me.

In the above verse, God makes the proclamation that His people should call Him "My FATHER". Yet again, please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

Or do you want to deny that Moses and Isaiah and Jeremiah were calling God other names and NOT "FATHER"?

Also, are you going to deny that Moses and Isaiah and Jeremiah are part of the Biblical prophets that Muhammad said he believed in their revelation? So, did Muhammad believe in the revelations outlined above where God is known as FATHER?

Wake up and deal with the verses I offered as to God being referred to as FATHER. Did Muhammad confirm that same revelation anywhere in his Qur'an? If no, can you account for the LIES he told and pretended to have believed in them?

If Muhammad was not man enough to tell the truth without being such a hypocrite, I'm so so glad I left Islam for those who still love the deceit they cannot verify from his bloviates. And you're only making matters worse by LYING for Allah.

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Mr slow-witted babs787,

I was waiting for your reply to either CONFIRM or else DENY that Muhammad never truly believed in the revelations of the Biblical prophets. Here again are my questions for your confirmation - a simple outline without your frantic drama will be well appreciated:

@babs787,

Now, a few things I find in the revelations of the Biblical prophets that Muhammad both rejected and denied:

(a) Moses referred to God as FATHER:

Deuteronomy 32:6

Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise?

is not He thy FATHER that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee,

and established thee?

Please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

(b) Isaiah also referred to God as FATHER:

Isaiah 63:16

Doubtless thou art our FATHER, though Abraham be ignorant of us,

and Israel acknowledge us not: Thou, O LORD, art our FATHER,

our REDEEMER; thy name is from everlasting.

Isaiah 64:8

But now, O LORD, thou art our FATHER; we are the clay,

and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Again, please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

(c) Jeremiah also referred to God as FATHER:

Jeremiah 3:19

But I said, How shall I put thee among the children, and give thee

a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of nations?

and I said, Thou shalt call me, My FATHER; and shalt not turn away

from me.

In the above verse, God makes the proclamation that His people should call Him "My FATHER". Yet again, please show us where Muhammad EVER referred to God as "FATHER" and we may see the simple fact of whether Muhammad actually believed in what the Biblical prophets taught!

Or do you want to deny that Moses and Isaiah and Jeremiah were calling God other names and NOT "FATHER"?

Also, are you going to deny that Moses and Isaiah and Jeremiah are part of the Biblical prophets that Muhammad said he believed in their revelation? So, did Muhammad believe in the revelations outlined above where God is known as FATHER?

Wake up and deal with the verses I offered as to God being referred to as FATHER. Did Muhammad confirm that same revelation anywhere in his Qur'an? If no, can you account for the LIES he told and pretended to have believed in them?

If Muhammad was not man enough to tell the truth without being such a hypocrite, I'm so so glad I left Islam for those who still love the deceit they cannot verify from his bloviates. And you're only making matters worse by LYING for Allah.

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@olabowale once again you have shown yourself to be very good at deflecting and side stepping the truth.

The parable as quoted below is a simple one:

the relationship between hydrogen and oxygen to give water is a simple , I simply identified the elements that combine to form water, I was not telling you about number of atoms of which elements that combine to form waterr. Once again you have smartly avoided the real issue at hand and use perverted logic to answer a question without actually answering it

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The above was not properly written , the following is the correct version:

babs787 May God help you , (Lord God Almighty) I have tried , to make you see reason.

Your blood is on your head,

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Please stop whinging like a child. I offered you simple and straugfht forward pointers to discuss issues. If there's nothing you can rationally think of, pack yourself and your bloviates one corner and let me deal with better issues than your tantrums.

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@pilgrim.1

what did they receive from God that he denied? It seems that you dont post garbage like you used to. Hope you are not running out of point?

You are still here demanding for revelations when you have been served contradictions from the inspired book of God, missing verses, later insertions etc. I even gave you list of unfulfilled prophecies attributed to Jesus. Lastly, we all know that God gave Moses and Jesus revelation, do we say

1. God gave moses the Pentateuch?

2. Do we say the letters of Paul, third party sayings, etc is part of the revelation given to Jesus

4. Cna you please tell me what the revelation given to Jesus contains?

5. Can you tell me what the revelation given to Moses contains?

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@olabowale,

If Muhammad was not man enough to read and acknowledge what was in the same Torah that he handled in his day and said he believed in, where does your spirituality begin? Is it not obvious that nobody except illiterates can take Muhammad seriously when he claimed to believe in all the prophets, wheras it is a known fact that he was denying what they had received from God?

You guys often throw allegations and stand aloof with irrelavant stories to substantiate your summations. Can we see a few of those same issues yet - the same issues I've been asking you guys to help us proffer answers to?

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@olabowale,

Oh please, you men should grow up and act like men! Your whining is irritating and boring all at once. What I need are answers, not deflections and story telling!

We want simple straight answers to the simple queries that Muslims are so confused about and continue to use words to flash their duplicity in our faces. Such games of Islamic convenience are over! Stop lying for 'Allah' is my simple challenge.

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@SysUser: Nice try. Excepts the matter/material that is in question is not as easy as your water formation experiment. If we use that for a moment: Your Christian scholar only used one atom of Hydrogen, without considering the bonding potential for it to be stable, in relationship with the atomic structure of water, both are combustible, the way. Your H and O will never form water while the Muslim used sufficient amount of hydogen in proportion to Oxygen. The Muslim gave very sound product compared to the deficient, easy to poke holes to process of the Christian student. He never was able to form water.

If you have all these deficiencies in the NT alone, without even going to what the Jews, the rightful holders of OT think of you, how come you think you can stand toe to toe to didcuss spirituality? You call your god, 1 part man through young virgin Mary, 1 part spiritual being and 1 part father. Yet 1 part dies and was asking why, why from the part that is father while dying?

What blood are you talking about youngblood?

The ball is ya kort!

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May God help you , Lord God Almighty I have tried , to make you him see reason.

His blood is on your head,

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@pilgrim.1

Your dishonesty will not help you. You left the thread when questions were thrown at you only for you to resurrect later. Now since you are that deluded to thik straight,

1. What does the revelation given to Moses contain

2. What does the revelation given to Jesus contain

when you are able to provide these, I will show that we have the revelation given to Moses, Jesus and David in the glorious Quran.

since you are still denying the fact that your bible is corrupt,

1, Please do we say Catholic bible is not the word of God?

2. Do we say Jehovah witness is not the word of God

3. Which versions is really from God and when you supply me a version, I will give you missing verses in that, contradictions etc.

4. Do we count the word of historian, un-inspired words, third party statement as part of the revelation given to the prophets

5. Do we include letters of Paul as part of the revelation God gave to Jesus.

Thanks

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@babs787,

I'm not the one crying - and if you were cured of your illiteracy before eternity meets you, you would have quickly seen that my caution was for the sobbing olabowale who is very quick often times to wail that Muhammad is being derided because he himself could not help respecting the convictions of other people!

In order words, your drive is to give me verses of the "same" - the same casting aspersion from the Qur'an on Jesus? Are you that dense you hardly spend a minute to read your own statement - or do you have a special talent for such illiterate posts?

Sorry, I never lied to the Forum that the Torah was LOST - that was your own duplicity that you have not found an answer to up until this very day! Lying for Allah is the very thing that Muslims know how to do - nothing more than that!

I will do so conseqently - I only want to give you enough time to display how hypocritical you can be.

He has done so - go back and read his entries again.

That would be fascinating - I'm waiting to dig deep into you LIE of the Qur'an coming to "correct" the Biblical scriptures.

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Once again let me retariate babs787, I am not against you as a person. I am only against the Spirit at work in you.

concernging where you said

Do you realise that I simply gave you a parable , just as there are numerous parables by Jesus himself.

I also tried to use a parable to make you understand, please know that I am your FRIEND who is interested in making sure that you don't lose your Soul.

If embarrassing myself for your sake would make you receive the gift of salvation through Christ I would gladly do it,

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Pilgrim.1: You accuse others, yet you have no foundation for your accusation. But wait a minute, if a man call a kite an airplane, does it still mean it is an airplane, just because its in the air? Hardly. That is the diffrerent between your Bible of today, a mere kite and the revealed books to each Prophets, Moses' taurat, David's Sabuur and Jesus son of Mary's Injiil, all are Airplanes to the shadowy Kites you have in between the two covers of what you call Bible presently.

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@focused ,

thank you for that simple explanation of the Trinity using "Man" as a simple but very effective example.

Now may olabowale would simple deny that he does not have a Spirit and Soul so that he can then say that he does not have a three-manifold existence.

Olabowale , Please do you really sincerely believe quran despite everything people have been doing to show you contradictions (Allah correcting mistakes earlier made), logical rubbish(), sex Fun/abuse (mohammed's sex with Aisha a nine year old, virgins for former terrorists) , satanic verses (which truely, exists for which Salma Rushdie is threatened becuase he had the audacity to reveal the truth).

It really confounds me that people and individuals who can understand Physics (Relativity, Quantum mechanics, Advanced Mathematics etc) find it difficult to realise the absolute rubbish and mish mash the the quran is and the fraud that mohammed is.

If you do,

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And since Alexis last entry, where he promised to get me verses of the Qur'an, he has gone down with the sun of Arab. Disappearing beyond the Sand doom/mountains of the desert! Okay, its the holidays for him. The Arabs are so salvage and wild, yet they allow the Kaferi Alexis to take time out for the birth of his God! The God that was born just less than 2040 years ago! What a young God! My father the Hanifan Ibrahim and his sons, Ismail and younger Isaiaq are a lot older! That means, even all these people have existed long time before Chistian God.

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@sysuser

I am also your friend. I am saved but I am worried about you because believing in Jesus without accepting the last book and the last prophet will profit you nothing.

I even gave you a verse where I requested for your proof that you will be favored on that. If you do not have Islam, you will be among the loser on that day and I do not want that to happen to you hence my calling you.

Brother, I already have Jesus and you would have been reading about him in my book.Jesus is not more than a slave and messenger of Allah sent for the children of Israel alone, he is not your God, he didnt cme to die for you let alone being crucified or resurrecting after the third day.

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@Focused:

And thanks Manhattan is okay. All the crazies are on holiday spirit; oh, oh, oh! Santa has left the building. Rudolph red nose is sore for real. The sale is flat. Enjoy while you can. lol.

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@Poster :

The Christian " God " is completely different from the muslim or Islamic " god or Allah" . They are not the same and they will never be the same.

The Christians believe that :

. The Bible is the Inspired, Inerrant Word of God to Man. The Holy Scriptures are God’s revelation of Himself to Man. We believe that all 66 books of the Bible, although written by different men, only had one Author, God the Holy Spirit. God told Jeremiah, “I watch over my word to perform it.” (Jer. 1:12) This indicates the importance of the accuracy of the Bible to the LORD because He has to do what He said He would do; therefore, it was incumbent upon Him to be certain that the Scriptures were both set down and translated accurately. Therefore, we believe in the inerrancy of the Holy Scriptures.

In addition, we believe that the Word of God as set forth in the Bible is sufficient to meet all the needs – spirit, soul and body – of every person alive today upon the earth.

The muslims have their own " bible they call the Quran" , which is completely different from the bible and full of contradiction. They also have the hadith (although not all the muslims believe in the Hadith ).

The Bible contains promises of God set forth in a covenant or legal agreement between God and man which will meet every need you will ever have in this life.

The Spirit of God inspired men to write the books of the Bible as evidenced by the following Scriptures:

“The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.”

(2 Samuel 23:2)

“And the LORD spake by his servants the prophets, saying …” (2 Kings 21:10)

“But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. (2 Peter 1:20-21).

“All Scripture is inspired by God …” (2 Timothy 3:16)

“And for this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received from us the word of God’s message, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13)

The Lord Jesus left His word for us to meet our needs. Every need you have or will ever have – healing, finances, relationships, etc. – can be met through the word of God by a person believing by faith and trusting that the Lord will do what He said in His word He would do.

The number one problem in the Church today, however, is that most Christians – even ministers – don’t believe the Bible. Jesus left His word for you but if you don’t believe it He cannot “confirm it with signs following” (Mark 16:20)

"Jesus’ name, YHWH, means, “I AM.” He is the I AM -- a very present help – for all that we believe Him to be. He is more than sufficient to meet our every need if we will only believe."

“For with God nothing is impossible.” (Matthew 19:26; Luke 1:37)

The Word of God (bible) will meet your every need if you will read it, believe it and act upon it (the Bible says that faith without corresponding action is dead, James 2), and that we are to be doers of the word. “But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.” (James 1:22)

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@Flowincome:

May God forgive me; Amin. I now ask you when you said, 'GOD,' which God are you inferring? The 3 godhead God or the God who creaded Adam, and all things? The later is the True God and He is complete and pure in Oneness. There is no need for Him to have multiple head. Then the former is in the realm of idolatry. If anything is more than 1, it is plural, or multiple. That God with Multiple godhead i do not need anything from.

And I am very satisfied with my choice of religion. My objective is very clear. My goal of hereafter is my focal point.

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my reply? an emphatic no!those of you who serve alla are on ur own

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@Alexis: Please ask anyone to read my piece to you. What I said is very direct. I negated all possibilities that Islam of Muhammad and preIslamic could ever be the same. Let me say it in Market woman language; The Arabs before Muhammad did not Make salah. The arabs before Muhammad did not make Umrah, hence what they call hajj, is completely different from Muslim's! The arabs before Muhammad did not make Jumu'ah salah!

What part of it you did not understand? And if you have any proof, please bring it and lets be able to verify your sources! And please don't forget the Surah you had promised. Please its a gentlemanly reminder. lol.

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@Alexis: The topic is, "God, Allah do we all serve the same God?" When you started your engagement with me on this topic, I was hope that we would be on topic, without straying at all. But to my surprise, you are using the, "Bible," as a yardstick, trying to force me to accept it. In what ground do you think I will record Saul/Paul and all the post Jesus ascension materials, as truth? No ground at all, because they are clearly opposing what Jesus stood for. They went against the relevance of Moses law, which Jesus confirmed and practised. So in one broad stroke, Paul and his clique cancel the law and Jesus relevance. Afterall, most of the things that the Christians do today is based on Paul's hypothesis, and Jesus has nothing to do with it. A good example is the place of your worship, Church and your identity, Christianity/Christians. Both are unknown to Jesus. You are clearly on your own!

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Alhaji, perhaps I should rephrase the question for you

1. What common ritual and mode of worship does pre-islamic Arabs and Muslims have in common?

2. What is the difference between pre-islamic arabs sacrificing rams during their hajj and Muslims killing rams "sallah" now? No be the same? Abi because the name is different?

3. Muslims have nearly everything in common with the pre-islamic arabs yet you claim you worship one god.

4. Pre-islamic arabs threw petals at a great stone in mecca to symbolize "stoning the devil". Don't present Muslim do the same thing? Una go they throw stone at another stone calling him the devil, I am sure it is during this time that the devil has the greatest fun ever - laughing at you ignorant people.

Please give me a couple of hours, I am preparing the surahs where your Allah gave angel gabriel, angels and the holy spirit the koran to give muhammed. Then we will see what black and polished lie you will come up with now

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@flowingcome

Let us read verses about the loving and peaceful God in the bible

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, , and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

2 Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

Deuteronomy 2 v 32-37

And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz.

33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.

34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.

36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us

Deuteronomy 3 v 1-7

1 Then we turned, and went up the way to Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei.

2 And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon.

3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining.

4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan.

5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many.

6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city.

7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves

Do you still need more so that I serve you?

When you try to deny the above verses, I will give you facts that christians need to follow the OT.

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olabowale, may GOD 4give u. u cant understand anything because u're living in the dark. the harder u try to understand, d more confused u become. just check out all the things u have written, do they make any sense to u? WAKE UP. the God of the xtians is a loving GOD and a GOD of peace. can u say same about Allah? my GOD is not a GOD of violence. think about this and repent from ur ways. fellow xtians in the house, dont bother explaining anything anymore, he wont understand. just pray for him to realize the truth.

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Dont let us deceive ourselves , GOD wey dey heaven na hin be GOD.

At this junction i want to believe that God has a son called Jesus.The reason why i said that is because Jesus face has been appearing around the world even to people in which Allahs face never appeared for once.

The link for the prove

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@Alexis: Thank you for handing the floor over to me. But fake as disingenuos flattery will earn you no points with me. The first rule is that there is no way you, as a non Arab can be a better Arab linguist/scholar that the Arabs! Secondly, Qur'an is the standard of which Arab language, grammar, etc are measured. That includes the Arab Bible. So based on this, your understanding of anything Arabic, will have to be based on its ranking with the Qur'anic Arabic. Let me make it very elementary for you: In Bahia, Brasil (Brazil), Yoruba is spoken. Could their Yoruba be purer than the Yoruba spoken in the Western part of Nigeria? No, it will be impossible! The Yorubas say: A ji se bi Yoruba lan ri, Yoruba o nji se bi eni kon. Fela Anikulapo said in one of his yappies; English is Yoruba badly spoken (This one is to make you relax, so that you can listen, attentively)!

Iqra, the first word revealed to Muhammad (as), means proclaim to him. Since Muhammad did not know how to read anyway, it could also mean recite to him. But to the rest of the muslims and arabs, regardless of religion, it also mean read. So the Qur'an, unlike your narrow defination of what the muslims do, is read, recited and proclaimed when there is sermon, ministrial effort, etc. Yes most Muslims recite the Qur'an, because the legislation and explanation of it is been preserved, in tafsir, hadith, sunnah, sirah and other sort of school of knowledge. For example, the issue of Riba (interest), is illustrated by it having 72 levels. The lowest level of which it is in offense is on the same level with a man who have sex with his own mother! If you hear this, and it was passed down from generation directly, from Muhammad, without a break in chain of narration,what is there for you to try to independently think about?

You want to have your own explanation about it, whereby you permit the impermissable? Unfortunately, you do not know that the first organised University by mankind, which is still in existence is the Islamic University Al Ahza in Egypt. All other colleges of higher learning, around the world are modelled after this Islamic institution. So much for not being independent thinker and just being a Zombie. The Muslim Arabs wrote about Allah of preIslamic era, to mean exactly the Allah of Islam, courtesy of Arabic scholar, his excellency Alexis! Why would the Muslims, controlling the whole of Arab, including its language, the best of its culture, that they will foolishly exposed their God to you and people like you, if that God is exactly the ordinary God or equivalent to the idol god of the Arabs, before Islam of Muhammad? Yet the first thing they did when they entered Makka as victors, without raising a single sword, was to destroy all the 360 Idols in the ka'aba! Thes muslim pagans, the nerves of them, destroying their own gods!

[quote[So 'holy spirit' is now called angel gabriel in the quran abi or angel gabriel is called 'holy spirit' abi? The term 'holy spirit' and an 'angel' are two different entities olabowale, that is why they have names to describe them. This cheap attempt of equating angel gabriel and some holy spirit is at best a deceitful attempt. So, I am to believe where ever I see 'holy spirit' in the quran, it means angel gabriel or vice-versa. You will have to try harder Alhaji. Perhaps the ice-storm in the US is chilling your brains, clearly - you are not using them.

The term 'one mightly in power' can not be ascribed to an angel. Angels are messengers and other times act as guardians my friend. That description suits a deity or a god, so it is hard to prove that 'one mighty in power' as mention in that surah was angel gabriel. You still never grind the axe oh alhaji.

Alexis, to properly response to you, I have to take you back as far as father Ibrahim time in Iraq. This is where we have to begin. Since Ibrahim was the father of of the Arabs, through his first son, Ismail, who was truly the only son, in all the 13 years before his younger brother Isiaq was born. We see from this event, that Yahweh, Judaism could not have existed, as name of God to an Iraqi citizen stateman, from Ur. Neither as a religion nor as an ethnic identity. The truth is that the two elements came to being, at a later date, but not before the exodus event out of Egypt, under Moses! By the way, the religion of Moses was not Judaism. But I will leave that for another topic! Definitely, Jew as an ethnic identity, came after the brother of Joseph, Judah a son of Jacob, who was the son of Isaic, who was the younger son of but never was the only son of Ibrahim! So, since the children of Judah could be identified by their geneology as the Jew, within the 12 tribes of Israel, then there are 5 generation between Ibrahim and the first set of people that could be called Jews, the descendants of Judah, who was a Child of Israel, who was a Child of Isiaq, who was a child of great, great, grandfather Ibrahim!

Allah declared in the Qur'an that Ibrahim was not a Jew and not a Christian, he was a one who negated all kind of associating in worship (Hanifan), who is a muslim (bowing his will in obedience), to One true God! Now, the Muslims say that Ibrahim and his only son Ismail rebuilt the Ka'aba after the flood of Noah. If you disagree, please prove me wrong! Did Ibrahim, who was the father, hence the leader, between the two, since his son was not more than 20 years at best at this time, built this structure to worship any idol? The answer is NO! If you recall, it was the great event of Idol destruction which Ibrahim undertook, that sent him packing out of Iraq! Ibrahim, therefore could not have destroyed many idols and then start worshipping any when he left the idolaters of Ur, Iraq!

Whatever the reason that Ibrahim had in building the Ka'aba, it would never have been for any idol sanctuary or worship! It is Ibrahim who called mankind, under the commandment of Allah The God to Hajj. Up to this time, Allah of Ibrahim was in no way associated with any Idol. Abi Alexis? There was no Idol in Ka'aba of Ibrahim, o sha de ron ti, abi? There is no report also that Ismail worshipped Idol! So any idol in the Ka'aba must have arrived after Ismail. It is save to assume also that he probably instructed his children, who would be in the same level of heritage with Ibrahim as Jacob is, not to worship anything except the God that Ibrahim, he Ismail worshipped. They, the children would have also passed on this injuction down to their own offsprings, just like Jacob did with his own 12 sons (and the daughters which were never mentioned). We see how great the value of women were with the Jews and the Christians. Alexis, oro lo boro wa o. I was not going there, but you just had to force my hands with your scholarly misfiring! We know that in all the generations, between Joseph's glorious presence in Egypt, and the exodus of the Children of Israel out of it, under Moses, would have to be many hundreds of years! We know that there was nothing called Yahweh/Jehovah, etc, up to the time the Bible was reporting that Moses got them to the wilderness, where he was instructed the process of worship, and God revealing His name to them at that time! In the maintime, the branch of Ismail, was blotted out of the history of the descendant of Ibrahiim, but at least they were flourishing, in the desert! Contrary to your statement, there were people in Yemen and Iraq (the home country of Ibrahim, Lut, before the great migration), and in other places. We also noticed that Ibrahim met people in Jerusalem when he arrived there and of course his journey to Egypt, was not a journey to a desolated place!

The introduction, of idol to the Ka'aba was fully reported in the Sunnan/Hadith, Sirah of the prophet and Tafsir of Qur'an. You just have to research it on your own, since you are going to teach us our religion, which you know nothing about! Your finding out that part of preIslamic Arab history will be a good start to enlightening your heart. Ismail branch of Ibrahim's bloodline did not speak the same language as Isiaq branch! But they worship One Supreme God, based on the instruction of Ibrahim alone. What was the name of that God, Alexis? Do you know it? I submit to you that God was called Allah! If you have a proof that I am incorrect, please present it and do not hesitate to do so!

When idol was introduced to ka'aba, it must have been that the true faith in One God which was practiced by the many generation of the Children of Ismail branch of the Ibrahim was eroding until it finally and completely eroded before Muhammad came to be the only Prophet/Messenger raised from this branch. It is just like the case of the Children of Israel, who were saved from the hardship of Pharaoh and Egypt, yet, they built a 'golden calf,' the moment that Moses did not return as quickly, as he used to do before! Yet, these Children of israel witnessed, how God Almighty performed tremendous destructions on Pharaoh and his army, and other nations they encountered in the wilderness. Yet, they were disbelieving, even up to the point that God brought up Jesus son of Mary. And Alexis, how many of them were believers in him and followed his instruction to worship God Almighty? Yet you are comparing them to a people that never had such lavishness of one prophet succeeding another, in so many generations. The process of the 360 idols in Ka'aba alone, not counting other Arab societies, eg Taif, must have started some hundreds of years after Ismail had died!What did the Children of Israel called their golden calf? The same name they were instructed to call God the Almighty! There is no difference in the Children of Israel's idolatory action, even though it was for just a short period of time, because Moses was present among them, and the action of the children of Ismail, which had no single prophet and only ended when Islam became the official religion of the land!

You are right that there was hajj in the preislamic arab. But you did not know that the children of Isiaq used to make this hajj, until idol(s) became permanent in the ka'aba! It has been reported that Prophet Solomon made this hajj, as commanded by God on Ibrahim. This is your second assignment Alexis! Finally, when Islam came to Muhammad, from the first revelation, if Allah was not the proper name of GOD the Almighty, Allah Himself, Who says in Surah Ahzab that He is not shy, would have instructed 'Ruuh Qudus,' who brought revelation to Muhammad for 23 years to change the name, to the peoper name which was not in used by the preIslamic Arabs! But wait, Muhammad went on a night journey known as Isra wa Miraj. In heaven when he spoke directly to his Lord, definitely, he would have instructed to change it to the 'proper name,' if that was not 'Allah!' In all your arguments, it is as if the Arab penisula was a gulf dividing your heart from your soul. They do not agree to the truth that you are seeing! Alexis, ma duro ni ibi yi. If you have anything to say about this, please say it. Let the people of Nairaland make their own 'educated' and disinterested judgement. You as a Yoruba man do not know enough about the history of the Yorubas, yet, you are going to educate the Muslims about the meaning of Allah of Al Islam, connecting it to Allah of preIslam? Ko ye mi o. Bo ya mi o ka nko to ko dara dara ni. Mi o a kuku le ka ede Keferi, ti kiriyo to nso. Mi o le kaa oba me ta ni ikon!

Abeg, ol girl Nwando, you see how Allah brings knowledge to His slave, so that I can slice and dice what Alexis put together with sticks and spit? Tell him that all he wrote was ebonic compared to proper English! Alexis, nice hearing from you again. Laa ilaha Ilallah, Muhammadanr Rasulullah.

Thank you, thank you Alexis; You've heard Fela's record Jeun Ko ku, where he said,'i never talk finish?' I am going to finish with you by saying that if you have any proof that the daily Salah, Jumu'ah salah and Hajj that the preIslamic Arab perform, is exactly the same that the Muslims of Muhammad perform please bring it to Mankind! For sure, their salah, if there is any will be different, because the Wudu, Ahdan, Iqamah, Quiyan, ruku and sajdah, all in Islamic daily and Jumuah salah, Qur'an came about with the Prophethood of Muhammad, Jumuah is a combination of Qur'an and hadith and salah, Hajj is a combination of Arafah, which is today by the way, other rites and Umrah, which includes the Masjid Al Nawawi, in Madina! Every which way, Alexis, your information will be inadequate! I follow your advise, There is no story here!

I give the floor back to you sir, or any of your associates, in religion, or any non Muslims who has anything tangible to contribute, with honesty and without bold face lies. E pele sir.

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We are on our own, in relationship with you. We are on the side of God. We have God as our 'SUFFICIENT and ONLY' needed support. Hence we are the majority, but not by head counts. The head count advantage belongs to you. majority may rule, but may not be write by being the ruler.

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Alhaji olabowale - I am still waiting for your response to my last post.

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for where?God na the koko,the real thing gan gan,but Allah na one babalawo for saudi arabia,

you no fit compare the two,just like you no fit compare heaven with hell,

BABA GOD NA HEAVEN,Allah be hell

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Does asking an arab what "Allah" means answer the question? Most muslims recite the koran, they don't READ it to understand. Since they don't read it, christians will help them read it and where we see things that need to be addressed, we will present them to muslims to answer, where they can't, we will call on history to answer. They sit at their mullahs feet and accept anything and everything he says. We are not zombies olabowale, we are free thinking humans that should judge situations and make informed decisions, something that most muslims are scared to do. I don't need to write any publication house in Qatar to find out who 'Allah' is. To find out, I need to go to the authoritative source for all muslims - 'the koran' or 'quran'

Alhaji olabowale, do forgive me if I spelt the koran wrongly, if I use koran or quran, I am referring to the samething.

I am laughing and rolling on the floor. So in one surah, the quran declares it was angel gabriel and in another surah when it mention 'angels' were given the quran you decided to add other angels with gabriel,lol. Unfortunately, I am at work and I don't have my quran with me. I will show you the surah I am referring to in no way referred to angel gabriel when it mentioned 'angels' my friend, it if had did - the all knowing Allah should have known and mentioned it clearly?

So 'holy spirit' is now called angel gabriel in the quran abi or angel gabriel is called 'holy spirit' abi? The term 'holy spirit' and an 'angel' are two different entities olabowale, that is why they have names to describe them. This cheap attempt of equating angel gabriel and some holy spirit is at best a deceitful attempt. So, I am to believe where ever I see 'holy spirit' in the quran, it means angel gabriel or vice-versa. You will have to try harder Alhaji. Perhaps the ice-storm in the US is chilling your brains, clearly - you are not using them.

The term 'one mightly in power' can not be ascribed to an angel. Angels are messengers and other times act as guardians my friend. That description suits a deity or a god, so it is hard to prove that 'one mighty in power' as mention in that surah was angel gabriel. You still never grind the axe oh alhaji.

(Allah is Al for 'The' and ilah is 'god'! This 'god' can mean any deity. But Allah means 'The God.' You see, I wonder if in your african tribe, maybe am presumptious in my assumption that you are an african do the animists/traditional worshippers have a name for God Almighty different from what the Christian of the same tribe call God Almighty? If your answer id no, then the same applies to Pre Islamic Allah, the Muslim Allah,the Arab Christian Allah and the Arab Jewish Allah! For sure the Arab Pagans were before any of the later three so called monotheistic religions! I believe that Islam is the only true monotheistic among the three. The remaining two are just that only by name! Afterall, the Christians are a three in One God worshippers!

What is in a name olabowale? A name is not only identification, but an identity as well. Many times a special meaning is attached to the name. Names had, among other purposes, an explanatory purpose. Throughout the bible God reveals Himself to us through His names. When we study these names that He reveals to us in the Bible, we will better understand who God really is. The meanings behind God's names reveal the central personality and nature of the One who bears them. Let me give you a few examples of what we christians call our God

1. (el el-yone') - The Most High God

El is a name that is translated as "God" and can be used in conjunction with other words to designate various aspects of God's character. Elyon literally means "Most High" and is used both adjectivally and substantivally throughout the Old Testament. It expresses the extreme sovereignty and majesty of God and His highest preeminence. When the two words are combined — El Elyon — it can be translated as "the most exalted God."(Psa 57:2)

2. (el shad-di') - All-Sufficient One, Lord God Almighty

El is a name that is translated as "God" and can be used in conjunction with other words to designate various aspects of God's character. Another word much like Shaddai, and from which many believe it derived, is shad meaning "bosom" in Hebrew (some other scholars believe that the name is derived from an Akkadian word Šadu, meaning "mountain," suggesting strength and power). This refers to God completely nourishing, satisfying, and supplying His people with all their needs as a mother would her child. Connected with the word for God, El, this denotes a God who freely gives nourishment and blessing, He is our sustainer.

Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact (muslims like you). But history is not on your side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this.

History establishes beyond the shadow of doubt that even the pagan Arabs, before Muhammad’s time, knew their chief god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity, Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols.

To find out who Allah is and how the word Allah became known as God, we need to know the pre-Islamic origin of 'Allah". Consider these facts that history supports

1. Allah was worshipped by the pagan Arabs as one of many polytheistic gods - Yes!, Allah was indeed worshipped before muhammed was born. So, what is new about 'There is no god but Allah and muhammed is his messenger'. Pagan arabs worshipped 'Allah' long before the advent of islam.

2. Allah was worshipped in the Kabah at Mecca before Muhammad was born. Muhammad merely proclaimed a god the Meccans were already familiar with. The pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. They wondered why he gave monopoly to only 'Allah'

3. Although "Allah" has become known as the proper name for the Muslim god, Allah is not a name, but a descriptor that means literally, "the god". All pagan cultures have these generic terms that refer to their "top god" as "the god". In comparison to the perfect monotheism of Judaism and Christianity, "Allah" was originally no more a proper name for the Muslim God, than the word Hebrew "elohim" (god) or Greek "theos" (god) are proper names of the one true God of the Bible. "Jehovah" is the only revealed proper name for the "Elohim" of the Old Testament ( Ex 3:13; 6:3) and "Jesus" is the only revealed proper name of "Theos" in the New Testament. (Acts 4:12) Islam has no proper name for their god, but merely transformed, by universal use and confusion, the generic Allah into a proper name. So although today, Muslims use "Allah" as a proper name, it was never used this way originally. Allah, therefore is equivalent to "elohim" and "ho theos" but not "Jehovah" or "Jesus". Allah is not the name of the nameless Muslim God. However Muslims will claim that Allah is the name of God that corresponds to Jehovah. Both the Father and the Son are called "ho theos" (The God). Jesus is called "The God" many times in the New Testament: John 20:28; Heb 1:8. An important conclusion from this, is that the mere fact that "Allah" is equivalent to "elohim" and "ho theos" does not mean they are directly corresponded. It certainly doesn’t prove Allah is the same as the God of the Old or New Testament. It does not prove that Muslim’s worship the same God as Christians. If this correspondence proved the Muslim god was the same as the Christian God, then because pagan religions also have generics that correspond to "the god" (Allah), this correspondence would also prove that Allah is the same god as the Buddhist god, for Buddhists also refer to their god as "the god". I hope you get it now alhaji.

Yeah right!, alhaji - this is a simple task, just prove that the Allah of pre-islamic arabia is different from the Allah that muhammed brought. They are the same deities, the mode of worship, the rites, the travelling to mecca and praying 5 times a day was done thousands of years before the advent of muhammed islam.

Thanks for the correction alhaji but you still haven't answer the question. His father/grandfather was a servant of Allah before his son was born. So, what Allah is his son talking about?

This cheap attempt of not answering the question doesn't make your statement correct. There are authentic sources (history, text and scrolls) that I can refer you to that pre-islamic arabians used to pray 5 times a day. Again, if they used to do it before the advent of islam and worship Allah, what is the difference between the Allah that they used to pray 5 times a day to and the Allah that you pray 5 times a day to? I expect that you can honestly answer this question.

I never mentioned anything about Ibrahim and he being a pagan or not. Infact I have no clue what you are talking about. I never mentioned anything about muhammed splitting the moon miracle either, where is all this coming from? These are irrelevant to the question at hand. I asked if they pilgrimage to the kaaba that pre-islamic arabians used to go to and worship Allah is different from the pilgrimage that muslims to go now? Which other way can I put the question for you to answer? I dey wait oh!

The last but not the least question - What religion worships every Friday, faces meccah when praying today? An honest and simple answer is all I need, no stories about any miracles or how I don't know anything about islam, I just need a simple answer.

I hand the floor over to you - alhaji

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You and 100 other people who have been watching this thread and waiting !!!

Kobojunkie, with reference to the above statement.The arguments by yourself, davidylan and others are quite impressive, what more is there to say without repeating the same things over and over again to olabowale?All i want the man to do is table his arguments in a more understandable and less insultive manner.And i am still awaiting his response to the questions asked.

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are Jehovah and Allah the same spirit?

No

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Eagerly awaiting the reply to Alexis' questions from Olabowale, without any insults please.

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@Alexis: If it is true that you have read the Qur'an, I hope it is in Arabic, since you reside in

Arabic Country! My opinion is that you did not understand anything you read from it. I will

therefore take it that you are what we call in Islam, Al Mutamushrikiin, an Orientalist in plain

language! Orientalists study the Qur'an, hadith and Sunnah, mastered the Arabic language,

yet disbelief in Islam! Its your heart man. You have a bad heart! Enough of my 2 year old tempertantrum!

I have read the quran and it is from the koran that I will show you surahs which stipulates various accounts on how the koran (Its spelled with a Qaf, not kaf!) was given to muhammed (It is Capital Mim, not small Mim, I will end my with mad, not your med!). Some surahs suggest 'angel gabriel', (Angel Gabrael is correct and was always in every revelation, except the last 4 Verses of Surah Baqarah, which was given in the Night Journey known as Isra wa Miraj. Ever heard of it, Alexis?) others suggest 'angels' (Angel Gabrael and others who accompanied him, for example in teh revelation of Suratul Fatiha, also known as Ummuh Kitab!) and others even suggest 'holy spirit'. (Another name for Angel Gabrael) One stipulated 'one mighty in power' (A description of Angel Gabrael) - with all these variations, how do we know who gave muhammed the koran? One axe for you to grind (Alexis, it is you who is Ted Bunion. You need a big giant axe! I am very clear of my position, Alhamdulillah.)

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It has been written and read only in Arabic for more than 1,400 years. But, because many Muslims around the world do not understand Arabic, the meaning of the Qur’an is also given in other languages, so that readers can understand better what the Arabic words in the Qur’an mean. These books are like dictionaries to the Qur’an — they are not read as part of the religion of Islam, to replace the Arabic Qur’an.

'Ilah' is an arabic word alhaji and since you know arabic (I beleive), what does 'Ilah' means in arabic? (Allah is Al for 'The' and ilah is 'god'! This 'god' can mean any deity. But Allah means 'The God.' You see, I wonder if in your african tribe, maybe am presumptious in my assumption that you are an african do the animists/traditional worshippers have a name for God Almighty different from what the Christian of the same tribe call God Almighty? If your answer id no, then the same applies to Pre Islamic Allah, the Muslim Allah,the Arab Christian Allah and the Arab Jewish Allah! For sure the Arab Pagans were before any of the later three so called monotheistic religions! I believe that Islam is the only true monotheistic among the three. The remaining two are just that only by name! Afterall, the Christians are a three in One God worshippers!

My previous posts was in line with this thread and i was trying to tell you that the God in the bible and Allah in the Koran (Qur'an) are not the same, and if they are not the same, who is Allah? In the West, we Muslims say God too, in English Language. In Arabic Language, what do the Bible call God? Alexis, am going to trip you so hard, you will fall like Humty Dumty!

Answering the following questions honestly will help us identify who Allah is

1. Was Allah worshiped in Arabia before mu hammed was born? (Allah of the period before Muhammad means 'god,' while Allah of Islam means Almighty!

2. Muhammad grand father name was abdullah - meaning 'servant of Allah'. How come his grand father had a "Muslim/Islamic" name before mu hammed even formed Islam? (Muhammad's father, not his grandfather. His name was abdi Mutallib! Alexis you have not true understandingof Islam, etc.

3. Did some Arabians used to pray facing mecca 5 times a day before the advent of mu hammed and Islam? (There was no 5 prayers before Islam of Muhammad! Again, you have Zero understanding!

4. Did some Arabians used to go on annual pilgrimage to the Kaaba which was a temple of the moon god, running around the Kaaba seven times, caressing an idol of a black stone set in the wall of the Kaaba, running between two hills, making animal sacrifices, gathering on Fridays for prayers before the advent of mu hammed and Islam? (The call for hajj, the annual pilgrimage was made by Ibrahim! This was long time before the Jewish people ever existed. Much longer time before Christianity, which was a religion that Jesus reckon with, anyhow. Extreme long time before the Islam of Muhammad. The question you need to answer for me, Alexis, isthis, Was Ibrahim, a pagan, because he was the last caller for the Pilgrimage? You said moon god? Have you heard of Muhammad's splitting of the moon miracle? How can a worshipper split his god, if he truly believes in it? Alexis, you are wrong, again! Gathering on Fridays, for prayer before Islam of Muhammad? You are probably more naive than a 2 year old! Probably you are asleep throghout your entry! You could have easily gone to any Masjid in Qatar for a thorough Islamic lecture. You definitely need it! If you are going to be this dishonest, I will just think that you are not serious, but looking for attention! You need to talk to the shrink in NL. I will recommend Nwando and our scholarly Davidylan!

5. Now, what religion worships every Friday, faces meccah when praying today?

Please answer these questions honestly and then we can debate as gentlemen.

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@Alexis: I thought that if a fellow lives in Igbo land, Chineke would be a common word with him!

If such a man needs to know what Chineke means, all he has to do is to take a stroll to any

market, and ask any ethnic Igbo for an explanation! To have picked a pen and write a to Tribune

Publication, in Oke-Ado, in Ibadan, would clearly show a poor judgement!

The above is similar to what you have done! You are not a blind man, so you see people walking

about. You are not deaf, because you did not say that in your piece. You are not dump, because

you are complaining about any difficulty to survive, around the Bedouin Arabs! You obviously have the

sense to write NL, you could have just done that with any Qatar publications, or media!

You see, if you are truly a Christian, you could have found some Arab Christian and asked the same

question! You would have spared all of us, your 2 year old statement. You have also saved yourself

from me, a 2 year old gray haired, to lecture you! Yet after I gave you a fully blown definition, which

actually tells us what the Arabs, be it a Jew, Christian or Muslim call God!

What do you want from a 2 year old? You want me to break it down more than what it truly means?

You are Mr. Impossible! But I love you anyway Alexis. lol.

Dalu, Sonu, Pele. It the month of Hajj. I got to be busy with reflection and there is time for everything!

Sorry I did not get back to you, sooner, Alexis!

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