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God and Allah: Are they the same?

I'm sure everyone must have asked this question before and I'm not willing to start a religious conflict on here but a healthy debate.

Allah - I mean the unseen being Muslims worship

God - I mean the unseen being Christians worship

Are they the same?

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Yes Allah or god is the same name. These names are very popular among religion people. Muslim people know that there are ninety nine names of Allah. For example, very popular name is Rasool, Rehman, Malik and others. Of course Muslim people give these names for their children. Several of us have not the slightest idea of god, but we believe to god with our heart. It is very strange emotion, what I have ever seen. I am sure the great name, how we call Allah or god will not hinder about definition this word.

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What is the difference between Olorun and God?

If it is the same, the difference between Allah and God is also.

The difference is which God are you referring to - The creator of all things?

If so, we can stop here. The other aspect of God is another level and that is where the complications are.

And God will reveal that to people through his spirit in due time.

Allah, God, Olorun or whatever language - Words.

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i think both are the same. Allah is an arabic word as Olorun is Yoruba.

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Why are you guys still disputing the names of your Gods? Allah is no jehova and vice-versa end of story

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The beauty of a masculine element are in its strength, Power, decisiveness, firmness, irresistability as in being needed, etc.

The beautity of a feminine element are in its prettiness to the eye, mercifulness, nourshingness, elegance of perfection, etc.

In both cases of Masculinity and feminity, as appropriate, in sentence structure, you will find Allah describing Himself, in the best of grandeur and perfection. In irresistibility for example, we see the masculine usage as in Qahar. Th phrase "Wahidun Qahar" comes to mind. This eliminate any irresistability that may exist, for example between lovers or children needing parents, in specific situation. But in the case of Allah, everyone and all time is in need of Him, knowingly or unknowingly! Have we found anyone that can eliminate himself or herself from the things belonging to Allah?

As in the case of mercifulness, we need to look at the words, Rahman and or Rahim. In both cases Allah Mercifulness is wholesale; covering in totality the person receiving the mercy, while he or she knows that no effort has brough such a benefit, except from th Ultimate Generousity of Allah, alone. Who shows mercy for the most part between father and mother? It is always the woman. But Allah's Mercy is tremedously and exceedingly more that what Mom can give. The Mercy from Allah could be expressed in the feminine, as in Rahima. Then you see the part of Qur'aan reading "Wa kanallahu Allah kuli shein Rahima.

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@Kola Oloye: « #531 on: January 08, 2009, 09:53 PM »

Ogbeni Kola, you quoted Ok.gerald, but didnt quoted him fully. You left out the enbolden. Any reason for it? I guess his truth kindds burns, deeply. If they call Him Olu Orun (OLorun), is this not what the Aborishas also call Him? Is this name of Him only said by the Christians of Yorubaland, and the Muslims or the Onishongos don't have the right to say it? Or is it only by the Muslims and the Christians and Oloyas have not right to call Him by that name?

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@Olaadegbu:

No one with any good intelligence writes Allah starting with a small letter. At least no believer will . I will not even write my own name starting with a lower case letter. Can that be done for my Creator, if I will not do it for my own name? As stated before; Pilgrim is a magician. allat is not the feminine form of Allah. The lat part is derived from Latif, which is a helping deity. Since they have a god for every function; eg travelling, sowing, fertility, etc. al uzza is another. Uzza is from Aziz.

I wonder where Pilgrim had her Islamic education? No wonder she left islam very unceremoniously. A mind like hers cant hide from Allah. Olaadegbu, if you rely on her thesis for your salvation, you have failed so terribly.

Funny enough, she ends up her dissertation with "Shalom." This is a Jewish word. I only wish she can explain the Bible using Jewish words for holy ghost, Jesus and Christ and trinity, and father, and crucifixion and others, without running to the helenistic language! Was the Bible revealed in helenistic language?

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@Olaadegbu: « #544 on: Yesterday at 07:33:03 PM »  

In arabic, ila, meaning god worshipped by a person or people. A good set of examples; The Christians worship Jesus or Christ. He is an ila of the Christians. The Christians also worship the oly Ghost. This is also an ila of the Christians. The Christians also worship Father. So too, this another ila of the Christians. The people of the Catholic sect of the Christian faith, also worship Mary. This woman is also an ila of this specific sect. ~Lady~ will jump up and down about this. Dont vex. I am just making a statement. I wonder if one prays to an object, if that is not obvious worship.

ilaha is negating all worship as to a god, gods, God, or Gods. This ilaha is made up of two parts; ila and ha.

ilallah is now affirming the only ila; Allah, a proper name for the Only One from among the known and unknown, implied or unimplied (god, gods, God, or Gods) that is to be Worshipped. Only His Worship by you can benefit you. All others who you worship, as a Christian; son, ghost, father will not benefit you. If you are a Jew, Yahweh, Jehovah, Eloi, Elohim, etc and of course your Dollar, Pounds, Euro, or Naira, Schekels, will not benefit you. If you are a Hindu or whatever, your ila; Buhddah, etc will not benefit you. If you are an atheist or agnostic, whatever you choose to focus on, including yourself or the world, will not benefit you.

Hence Allah is made of two parts; Al meaning The. The the here brings us to a specific ila. In this case this is the Ila that has no symbolic, idol or image representattion. And of course the other part is ilah as in Ilah giving us the known and without any doubt God, not Gods, or god or gods. This Allah says that is His name. I as a believer do not have any opinion, except to accept it. For sure among the Nairaland family, Iam the one who knows myself better. The same way that I see The God as about His Own speech of Himself.

The yorubas knew there was a Creator whom they call Olodumare, among other name. When Christianity and islam came to the yorubas, the Christians and the muslims speaking to other people within their own faith, who is yoruba may still use the same Olodumare to signify the Creator. The yorubas have not abandoned that word, Olodumare, even though they abandoned the animist worship that they used the same Olodumare word in talking about the Creator. Now Olodumare means Creator, to a muslim, without going through an idol or small olodumare as his forefathers used to do. The same thing happens to Christians, except he now installs Jesus as the small no statue olodumare. Of course the Christian knows that there is the Overall Olodumare, ahead and above Jesus, the small olodumare. lol.

The last part, above. I made fun of you there. I can't help it to show that i love you as a human. Perchance, you may reflect about Olodumare and olodumare; The God and Jesus. This reminds me of the Jewish joke about the Snaider the tailor who arrived in USA and formed a company called Lord and tailor. Initially he wanted to say God and snaider, until he was adviced to a catchier name; Lord and Tailor.

Is Yahweh, a Semitic name or Greek name? Is Adonai a Semitic name or Greek name? Is Paraclete a Semitic name or Greek name? Is Eloim a Semitic name or Greek name? I hope you are consistent in whatever you chose; between Semite or Greek. It will be a weak process if you switch up from the chosen language to another. I wonder if Adonai and paraclete are not Greek words, while Yahweh and Elohim are not Semitic? If you cant be consistent in just soemthing this elementary and foundamental, how can we count on you on something hard and complex?

Allah is a proper name. Allah says call Me, Allah or AlRahman. All the Most Beautiful belongs to Me. Read Sural Hashr. Read Surah AlRahman. Read Surah Hadid. Read Surah Alaq. Read Surah Ala. Raed Surah Iklas. Read the whole of Qur'aan, cover to cover and discover yourself. I wo Ogbeni yi, ma ku si keferi o. I ku keferi iku esin ni o. I ku iya ni o.

@kola oloye (m): « #545 on: Today at 01:44:25 PM »  

Generic name for god of any kind or type; physical or not; ila.

It is Qur'aan. It is Laa ila ha ilallah. It is Laam Alif, Alif Laam Haa, Alif Laam, Laam Laam Haa.

But when you write them dowm the alif are eliminated in the middle for the most part. What you have that you are calling alif may just be the accentuation.

So Kola, how many Supreme god, idol, deity are there in any religion? Lets start with Christianity; Which one is Supreme god; which one is Supreme idol; which one is Supreme deity among Father, son and ghost?

Of course you know the muslims do not have to wrestle with so many gods, idols, or deities. And we couldn't have idols or an idol anyhow. Unlike the some quarters of Christians with their cross and crucibles, and their Virgin Mary, etc. And of course the glass stain windows.

You can't rest your case, until you tackle the problems above. Olaadegbu, draw up your conclusion, after you handle the same assignment, as Kola. Who is the Supreme god, or idol or deity of christianity among the three; father, son and ghost? Supreme means the highest and most powerful. There should be Only One. No? Chose wisely.

@Olaadegbu:

The operative quote from Pilgrim is in the bracket (). Read it above; As far as I know. She was talking about the Bible into Arabic. The Arabs had become Christians long before Christianity got to Yoruba Nigeria. Pilgrim.1 is Yoruba. If she said as far as I know, couldnt there be a chance that she known less than 100%? At least she is honest, by providing the disclaimer.

Her further argument about some people amongst the Christian rejected whatever the translators of the Bible to Arabic first said, to the point that they added Allah al Ab, is a sign of non-uniformity in your religion. How then do you think you will know better about the Qur'aan, since the Arabic used to write the Bible is from the Arabic of the Qur'aan.

And in all her effort to play Pundit about the word Allah being not a proper name, she failed to realise that the verses she quoted from the Qur'aan did not contain the work "Allah!" And I have argued above about Olodumare was known by yoruba pagans as The God Almighty Creator, before Christianity or Islam entered Yorubaland. The pagans of today in Yorubaland still say Olodumare. So do the Christians. So do the Muslims. Do we who are no pagans with Orisha, or Obatala, or yemeja, or ogun, or Shango, or whatever in from of us now abandone the word Olodumare to mean Our Almighty Olodumare the Creator because the Onifa or Oloyaa uses the same name, before and even now? Pilgrim was being a magician. She is smart, but not that smart. Deceit will be explained an uncountable way. But truth is just a very plain matter.

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If in Arabic ilah = god

and al = the

Therefore, Allah = the god

What name were the Arabs calling him before Mohammed became his prohet?

Does he have unique name as was revealed to Moses and in Christianity such as

[list]

[li]God the Father is Yahweh

Jesus the Son is Adonai

The Holy Spirit is the third Person in the Godhead who is our Helper (Paraclete)[/li]

[/list]?

Even though the generic name for "God" in Hebrew was ELOHIM

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@Olaadegbu: « #538 on: Yesterday at 06:37:59 PM »

god; idol or not, as object of worship of anybody is ila. So Jesus is ila of the Christian. So Holy ghost is also ila of the Christian. So also, is the Father as ila of the christian. A man who woships his wife in his heart and behavior has her as his ila. A woman that does the same towards her husband has him as her ila. A business man or woman who loves money and all the trimmings of it has these as the ila. ila or god does not have to be physical image, idol, statue, etc alone.

Now Allah meaning The God, or The Object of Worship, is Unseen. Everyone, except you guys, (I am assuming that your heart does not go to something higher than yourself, immediately when you hear the word "God", or 'god in your case of multihead god christian worship'), knows that there is an Entity Higher than self, sometime, especially in time of need, stress, difficulty, etc.

Even the atheist knows that there is The God, except that the atheist tries so hard to factor The God out of things. You must have said "oh God" before. I hope that you are not referring to an idol?

Allah is a proper name of The God, The Only One that Muslims worship. He had no image in Kaaba, yet the Mushrikuun (idolators) of Arabia knew He existed. Every society knows that The God existed. Talk to Hindus in London, Olaadegbu. Ak him about The God. You will see him raising him head and turning his face to heavens. Yet his idols are all in his temple. He knows that these idols are not The God that you are talking about.

boys, the joke is on you. The Boy from Muhammad (AS) have answered your question.

@kola oloye (m): « #539 on: Today at 09:52:23 AM »

kola- a word from the yorubas; a name

Kola Oloye is a proper name of a male from yoruba tribe. He is member of the Nairaland; specifically the religion section. (Baba agba, and people know that it is you and not just another Kola. Yet I have not pinpointed you hard enough with the things I know about you. Afterall how many Kola in your Oloye family?). You can now get the idea from this simple response that Allah is not an idol, or image or deity, but Deity, Object of Worship without Image or being an Idol.

@OLAADEGBU: « #540 on: Today at 10:05:56 AM »

ila.

@kola oloye (m): « #541 on: Today at 10:07:44 AM »

You are describing yourself man? A yoruba man who does not know every yoruba expression will love to teach Qur'aanic Arabic. Your professor wasPilgrim.1, am sure. Ni bo lomode no tie wa gon? I wish you well, sisi.

Kola, god means ila. This is the fake gods; father, ghost, son, buddha, etc. Allah means The God. The God Who is not represented by image, statue, etc. Whatever you can structure Him to be, as in conceptualization, He Allah the almighty is not. So He is not anyone who had walked this earth tht Only He created. He is not the "old man with aged beard" in the sky. No amount of thinking can get you to capture His Essence, except that you know about Him through what He creates, that you see around you. Start with yourself, first and go out to see His wonderful Power and Majesty.

@OLAADEGBU (m): « #542 on: Today at 12:28:40 PM »

The link is created by Mutamushrik or Al Kitab; both are enemies of Allah, His Angels (Jibril, Mikail, etc), His ordained religion, His Prophets and those who are Muminu (true believers). Go to an Islamic places in London, Olaadegbu. Get good knowledge, Kola Oloye. Abeokuta is a good Muslim city. Abuja is not bad, too. Lets grow up and stop acting like deceitful children. We are to be sincere in our question and answer, and not disgenuous.

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What is it called in Arabic?

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god- an image of a deity; an idol

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This is an important question that demands critical thinking.

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So a thread with such an obvious answer has still managed to drag on for so long, hmm?

It's as if those christians saying no to the question are trying to convince THEMSELVES and not others, about what they want to believe. . . .

@all the muslims in this thread, may Allah reward you all.

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If God= Allah

then,

god= ?

Please, anyone understands Arabic here?

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@B Prophesy: « #530 on: January 08, 2009, 08:54 PM »

This guy must be a very smart man. He wants to find out about Islam, he went to a Bible dictionary. Very smart.

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ThWELL SPOKEN

There is only one God,the creator of the heaven and the earth. Some people even call him OLU_ORUN (Olorun).

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If one does a search of the Holy Bible the name Allah is not found as a name given for God Almighty.

Patricia - Bible Prophecy on the Web

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I think and believe that God and Allah are the same. Just like we have many different languages that we can't understand so do muslims have their own God, Allah, and because we can't understand it doesn't mean that Allah is different.

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umary, i would have ignored this but there's too much of misrepresentation of facts in your post to ignore.

1. You say God is merely the english word for Allah? Yes that is the propaganda the muslims have sold to you all for ages. If we accept that English as a language existed before the 12th century and that islam did not take root until the 12th century then it stands to reason that Allah could not have been the arabic for God as he was but a mere idol before the advent of islam, at a time the expression "God" had long been in use.

2. Please study the crusades first before parroting the old lies that it is an example of christian violence. The crusades where the christian response to muslim agression and conquer of christian lands! But for the crusades, spain would be no diferent from Pakistan today.

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@ALL

Looks like the xtians are saying that God is not Allah while the muslims are tryin to convince them God = Allah. i think both parties are correct (as long as they think so). some people here have just successfully displayed their level of ignorance when it comes to simple language Nevertheless i understand they are speaking from the deepest part of their belief which is apparently making them not want to be objective about this issue.

like i said earlier, both parties are correct. if u think ur God=Allah then it is and if u think that ur God is not Allah then it is not. but it wont change the simple fact that Allah is the arabic word for God or rather God is the english word for Allah. so why spend our time disturbing urselves.

As a matter of FACT, God exists before the creations of those words. i wonder why we are now playing the God /Allah role.

it is obvious that both group have a belief that there is one supreme being and i think you can stick to that simple point.

finally, maybe u guys should spend sometimes nextwk to watch the GOD'S WARRIOR documentary on CNN and see how the Christains have killed in the name of God (the crusaders), the jews have killed inthe name of God. and the muslims have killed too. no belief is clean and dont try to be.

very soon, everyone will know what is true and what is not- at least when u er dead. u might just not be able to tell us thru nairaland what u saw but u will sha know.

cheers all

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this is inherently false, for the God of the bible is not just a concept, HE IS and HE IS a rewarder of those who serve Him.

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Personally, i think Allah and God are the same. For the two words simply tend to express, the same fundamental concept of the Creator, in different languages.

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@pilgrim

I am used to your tongue-lashing, so no surprise at all. Are you trying to deny my post up? Babs has never been doing that but you and your folks have been crying that babs has been deriding your faith whenever issues pertaining to christianity is being mentioned. Did your God not die for your sins?

Really? Can I have where it has been laid to rest please.

Sister, arguing with you at times can be a waste of time but I will still try to be answering you when time permits. Those killing are not muslims, they may be bearing muslim names, pray like we do, fast etc but anybody that kills is not part of us and will never be part of us. It is even funny how you exonerated those that have killed in the name of chritianity while spreading the message but quick at taking active role in those that killed cos they bear muslim names.

You may supply the answers if you care.

Nobody is zooming off. Answers have been provided in one of the threads but I will still repost them for you to read and do ask question on your nightmare.

It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu (we) for respect or glorification. He may also use the word ana (I), indicating one person, or the third person huwa (he). All three styles are used in the Qur’an, where Allaah addresses the Arabs in their own tongue. (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 4/143).

“Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, sometimes refers to Himself in the singular, by name or by use of a pronoun, and sometimes by use of the plural, as in the phrase (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Verily, We have given you a manifest victory” [al-Fath 48:1], and other similar phrases. But Allaah never refers to Himself by use of the dual, because the plural refers to the respect that He deserves, and may refer to His names and attributes, whereas the dual refers to a specific number (and nothing else), and He is far above that.” (Al-‘Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 75).

These words, innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), and other forms of the plural, may be used by one person speaking on behalf of a group, or they may be used by one person for purposes of respect or glorification, as is done by some monarchs when they issue statements or decrees in which they say “We have decided…” etc. [This is known in English as “The Royal We” – Translator]. In such cases, only one person is speaking but the plural is used for respect. The One Who is more deserving of respect than any other is Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, so when He says in the Qur’an innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), it is for respect and glorification, not to indicate plurality of numbers.

Every time Allaah uses the plural to refer to Himself, it is based on the respect and honour that He deserves, and on the great number of His names and attributes, and on the great number of His troops and angels.” (Reference: Al-‘Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 109). And Allaah knows best

You are always welcome. It is not necessary that you must go easy with him,do it anyway you want with him.

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I can see that u're not a type that I shld waste my time argueing with because you dont know much about what you read.you just read any interpret as you think it is.God is not me or you or even your president.We all humans and it's only human that can be addressed as me,you,we,us or them.God uses those words to qualify himself so that me and you wld understand.Those words are not appropriate for him because he's been in existense long b4 those words ar formed in your english dictionay.

God uses various words for himself to show us that he's a great God.He can use any of it depending on how best he think is appropriate and the type of people he's trying to address.Do you know fully well that the Q'uran is not only meant for we humans alone.the Q'uran was sent to all creatures in the world and in this world we have several creatures from which some are not human beings.The whole world also comprises of other universe with its own creature and with different addressing mode and language.

We humans being does not understand this fact and makes us think we're the only creature of earth.This requires knowledge and not just what you can read and interpret anyhow.The Q'uran I still maintain superseed all books and It's the word that was with God in the beginning and wld be till the end.

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http://www.briomag.com/briomagazine/briobeyond/a0005733.html

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Jehovah God has a personal relationship with his people and calls us his sons and daughters.

Allah has slaves and does not relate to his slaves in a personal way.

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The attributes of Jehovah,the Lord God almighty are totally in contrast with those of Allah.

They cannot be the same person,period.

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Common IAH,it is not about religious conflict.u're just been curious.

God is an English word to describe a supreme being according to what individual believes as his creator.Allah on the other hand, is an Arabic word which describes the supremacy of this God.

Quran defines Allah as ''He is one,Allah is ''the last resort'' He does not beget son neither does one begets Him.And there is no one that resembles Him(both physique and attribute).better interpretation (ch112;1-4)This how i can go for now IAH.see ya.

Is the God that cannot be compared to any being or a creature of God you will direct ur worship to?the answer is yours.pls make reseach in other to attain salvation in the hereafter.

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pfffft! Nonsense. What original language did Jesus Christ and Allah bring? We dont share one almighty God with muslims if that is what you are insinuating.

If the problem were merely about language we wont even be here discussing it. The difference between islam and christianity is like comparing light and darkness. No matter how much muslims attempt to spin this, a loving God who came to die for u and me does not compare at all to an evil, belligerent slave master whose only wish is to see his slaves herded down into hell like cattle.

If indeed the quran reveals the "best history of all the prophets" can u tell me by the quran where David was born, who his father was and how many brothers he had?

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whatever name u may called him,it's same Almighty we're all taking about. It was the english bible that translate it to God and not the original language that was brought by Jesus and Allah is what the Q'uran called it,it's still the language that it was reveal with. All you need to know is that we all have one Almighty God to put is simpler.

I think the problem we have in religion is basically the language difference. If some of us here can simply understand the arabic,you'll know that the Q'uran reveal the best history concerning all the prophets and the book which they were sent to use.

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@Ndipe,

The fanatical Muslims are not acting out of ignorance. If you want to criminalize the dubios pastors, then the 'fanatical muslims' are even more duplicitous. They know what the Qur'an says about Jesus Christ, about respect for life, etc. Now, they don't need to believe in the Bible at all to perpetrate their heinous crimes. But one cannot claim that they're acting in ignorance when they know exactly what the Qur'an says against their activities!

Besides, if you read the Hadiths carefully you'll understand that they're following the example of Muhammad himself - so where is the "ignorance" in their actions?

While not rejoicing over one in deference of the other, at least you could agree that a person who comes to realize that he/she was being fleeced could recover and move on in life. But who's left alive to 'move on' after the visitation of the 'fanatics'? The former fleeces gullible folks; the latter (fanatics) don't even want you alive!

There are many charlatans in Christendom as well as in Islam. That a pastor's is discovered to be dubious should not mean that is reason enough to jettison my faith in Christ (unless such a person was resting his/her faith on the pastor in the first place!).

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@ashley,

There's enough media coverage now to tell us exactly what is going on in the Islamic world. Those who call themselves Muslims in the democratic West have come of age and dunked the wild cultures of Islamic ideology.

Have you asked why most Muslims want to get out of their Islamic countries and head for better living in the West? What has Islam done for them after turning their own countries into the unbearable hell that they're all running away from?

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"perhaps you need to read my posts a little more critically than merely wanting to be seen to criticise. I have NOT and will NEVER excuse a pastor that fleeces his flock. If you bothered to read the 2 threads on Oyakhilome, my stand on fake pastors/businessmen who continue to use the pulpit as a profit making company is not ambigous. My point (which you conveniently failed to see) is simple; it is silly to justify violence, murder, intolerance and bigotry on the basis of "extremist" pastors whose only offence is fleecing their flock of their hard earned salary.

Perhaps you intend to educate us on which is worse; a gullible individual who falls for the tricks of "men of God" or 19 adults who choose to murder 3000 innocent Americans in the name of Allah and martyrdom. Over to you sir!"

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Both of them are guilty as charged, but for you to even attempt to mitigate the charges of the dubious wolf in sheep's clothing, who swindles their congregants, with your exclamation, "Thank God" shows that you think that one is of a lesser crime than the other. I dont think so!. These fanatical muslims, and I am not defending them, act out of ignorance, while the 'pastor' despite professing a knowledge of Jesus Christ chooses to defraud their gullible flocks in the Name of Jesus Christ. If you can boldly "Thank God" that the crimes of these dubious wolves are lesser than those of the muslim fanatics, then you are mistaken and contradicting your later assertion that the 'only offence (of these wolves) is fleecing their flock of their hard earned salary". Think of the ramifications that occur when an individual suddenly realizes that they were indirectly fattening the coffers of their pastors? Truth is disappointment sets in, and probably a lesser desire to turn away from Christianity is another option they could explore. I for once, have fallen for some tricks practised by Pastors, and it is only by the Mercy of God that I am still a Christian.

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no amount of denial and propaganda can insulate you from the REAL TRUTH about islam forever. One day you will be forced to see islam for what it really is. Keep decieving urself hiding in the bowels of the USA, perhaps if you were forced to wear a burqa and denied the basic rights you enjoy in the islamic caliphates of Iran and Saudi Arabia the truth would be plain to you.

I am not surprised, islam has survived this long on a steady diet of lies, deciet, propaganda and fear.

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The Allah of the Qur'an and the God revealed in the Bible are not the same. There's no honest and sensible person who would call them the same after having read the Bible and the Qur'an. Not clear? Then read the Hadiths, and you will no longer be left in any doubts.

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do u have any idea that all these freaky words make no sense to nobody. becos u are just finding a way to make sense out of nothing. keep your false information to yourself, you might need it in the future. good luck!

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at least you weren't try hard to convince nobody at least not yourself!

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well i guess i wasn't trying your so called grammar too well. maybe this time i wasn't too good at your pingin english or what you nigerians call it. correct my spelling because i am not fully nigerian!lol

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trust me if there is anything positive about islam i would say so! In the face of death, violence, intolerance, sexual debauchery and other vices that are the hallmark of islam, it is hard to find anything positive to say. Muslims only make matters worse by threatening anyone who dares accuse them of not being peaceful.

you dont force people to find positive things to say about you, act it! And while you are at it pls polish ur grammer.

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i don't care because all you say are negative things. and now you want the true. i guess you were saying the truth all this while or was i seeing something else. or u are  just been irony according to your post!LOL

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lol at loss for words now that all u can now come up with is personal insults? how perdictable of muslims backed into a corner where they can no longer lie and decieve their way through.

If all fanatics, muslims alike, acted like me, this world would be the safest place on earth. You would probably be living in islamic societies like saudia arabia not hypocritically hugging secular life in the USA, islamabad would be the safest place on earth and 9-11 will never have happened!

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if u put all these details together you can make a better word for your ignorances. please help your self because only fanatics act like you!

@davidylan

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well i disagree with you @davidylan.

i have a friend who is in Iraq, a soldier! never you believe the media they alway send the wrong message. the truth is hidden and so many people are behind this lies spread around the world about Islam.  your point is inappropriate and so untrue about Islam.

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Of all the bullcrap and inchoate material you wrote only the portion in highlights was worth looking at.

No where in the bible did Jesus Christ "wine and dine" with pharisees and sadducees, infact here is what he had to say about them: Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

On the many occassions where he did "wine and dine" with "people not of his faith" it was for one basic reason; to bring sinners unto repentance. You will not be the first person to say such, even the pharisees accused Jesus of eating with sinners: read on;

Mathew 9: 11 When the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?

12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Jesus Christ did not just wine and dine with anybody to validate their false doctrines, he did so as part of His plan to share with them the gospel of salvation!

What truth is there to see in islam? the truth of its inherent violence, intolerance and bigotry?

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Hypocrites!!

@davidylan.

have u ever take a good look at why and where all these untrue story are coming from. just becos brush is fight terrorism make all Muslim evil! do u even have an idea of what you are talking about becos only silly and immature children that refuses to learn act, just the way must of u act when it comes to religion. just deal with it no body cares. and those who stick with the religion still do, so take a hike!

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who is talking about true Muslims only in united states! you fail to realize the boo crap about your false and very negative information about Islam. even though you discard false pastor doesn't stop you for been an in-poster of the truth. you can never be a child of God if you can not relate and find the truth of other religions.than seeing the negative part of it all. Jesus also wine and dine with people of not of his faith, so what are you talking about. that, Muslims are what? and you are what?

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keep living in denial dear. "true" muslims only live in the USA? Is it a coincidence that "true" muslims live in the USA BECAUSE the USA itself is NOT a muslim nation, is built on the fundamental principle of democracy, liberty, the respect of law and human rights? Who are the muslims who live in Saudi Arabia and the wakqf at the al aqsa mosque (the two muslim holiest sites)? Are they "false" muslims?

What of the muslims in Palestine, Pakistan, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Nigeria? Are all those "false" muslims?

Muslims have no choice but to obey the law in the USA! Either that or they face the law or risk getting booted back to their backward 12th century islamic enclaves! If truly you all love islam so much why are you all ensconced in the laps of secularism in the west enjoying the benefits of living in societies built on the foundation of biblical principles? why are you not living with the "true" muslims in Saudi Arabia? Is there no peace there you could also enjoy?

Hypocrites!!

And the nonsense about not knowing what is happening in the outside world beyond what we see in the media perhaps you may want to tell us if the present show of shame at the lal masjid in islamabad where women wielding metal batons and kalashnikovs kidnapped policemen, captured a children's library and whose mullah's used as a human shield is true or just part of the media's campaign of calumny against the religion of "peace".

Maybe we need to remind you that terrorists killed 105 people in Basra over the weekend including guests at a wedding ceremony.

Perhaps the Darfur genocide is also just internet propaganda too eh?

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@ davidylan

i live in america people see the true mulisms only the blind and complete freaks do not see it. and in the same way we find american soldier who have gone to the mid-east talk about the truth. you don't have an idea of what is happening in the outside world. all you see is the media and the internet that tell you crap about islam. only if you know!

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