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God Causes Disasters?

WHO CAUSES DISASTERS?

GOD OR THE DEVIL?

IF U SAY D DEVIL THEN GOD IS NOT IN CONTROL OF THE WORLD AND DATS QUITE AMUSING FOR AN ALL POWERFUL BEING NOT TO BE IN CHARGE OF WHAT HE CREATED, IF U SAY GOD THEN HE IS PROBABLY NOT GOOD ALL THE TIME AS CHRISTIANS PROFESS, CUZ AINT NOTHING GOOD IN DESTRUCTION AND SORROWS DAT BEFALL HUMANITY WENEVA EARTHQUAKES OR HURRICANES HIT US HARD!SO PLEASE CAN SUM1 TELL ME WHO CALLS THE SHOT ON THIS, AND PLEASE DONT TELL ME THEY R NATURAL , BECUZ CHRISTIANS SAY NOTHING HAPPENS BY ACCIDENT: HENCE THE THEORY OF CAUSE AND EFFECT .

I THROW THIS QUESTION TO THE XTIANS PUNDITS IN DA HOUSE,

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am happy you undrestand my position now,

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Lagerwhenindoubt said it very well. It is a matter of grace vs law. It’s not a matter of lenient that would imply that He is simply letting people off the hook. The question about disasters and whatnot is that God brought them for disobedient but after Jesus lived a perfect life and died for ALL of us we are now under his grace.

Now about Christians having different beliefs, were people dude, no one believes everything exactly the same. Saying that Jesus is not God is not Christian though that person is very confused. The “church” is not perfect it can’t be because it is run by people. Now people want to defend what they believe and by doing that blindly (when something is contradictory) causes problems. Also, it’s not like to be a Christian you have to earn a degree. All that I know I have taken apon myself to learn, if someone chooses not to delve into the Bible and learn they can have beliefs that don’t line up right out of ignorance of the word. God is perfect, we are not. That’s the bottom line.

May I ask a personal question? (I’m going to now regardless cuz I don’t feel like waiting.) What is your interest in God? At first I thought you just wanted to pick fights and try and make ignorant people look silly, but you seem to have more of a knowledge base than most people which have that goal. This is not a set up for an attack or anything I am just wondering, so I hope you respond in kind.

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Lagerwhenindoubt- I’m trying to understand what you are saying but you have some things wrong and others are just hard to fallow. It sounds as though you are saying you think we have free will but that God is trying to take it away from us, and that Satan had no free will. Let’s just start out with the easy one, Satan did, does and will always have free will all angels do that’s how he rebelled. He is known (among other names) as the cursed one. He wouldn’t be cursed if he was fallowing orders. Two, if God did want us to have free will he could always take it… He’s God He kinda could do whatever He wants. The only way we could have free will is that He gave it to us. Therefore, He is not trying to take it from us He wants us to live a certain way.

Blackcypha- I am by no way saying that God is a different God than the Old Testament they are one and the same. Jesus is God he was there the whole time just as the Holy Spirit was, things were different back then for different reasons. Let’s just get some of them out right quick, he spoke to us through Angles (among other things)this is all fine and great but now he have the Holy Ghost (ie a direct line to God) this is also why we don’t need to talk to the priest and they in turn talk to God. Jesus was sent as a sacrifice the perfect sacrifice therefore we no longer give burnt offerings (Jews don’t either but that’s for a wholly different reason, it has to do with their temple… its long I can go into it if ya want me to. The Jews are no longer the only people of God because Jesus came to everyone. It’s not that’s Jesus omitted everything before (which is where I’m sure it looks like I’m leading) He fulfilled something humans cant no matter how willing they are to try, to live a perfect life. Christians are under a new covenant one made possible by grace.

Let’s show it this way. You seem to have read the Bible so you should get where I’m going here.

O T God, at the Jews requests, picked leaders for the Jews from the Jews. To do this he picked the “best” of them but in the end they turned out to be crap right? David had a guy killed so he could sleep with his wife. Moses asked God to pick another. Aaron, the first high priest, forged the golden calf when Moses was getting the Ten Commandments. It goes on like that, point is people are not perfect even the best of us.

N T Jesus comes, says EVERYONE WHO BEILIEVES IN ME WILL BE SAVED. He pikes everyone, poor, tax collectors, rich, women, children, old, young, every race, the sick, the lame, the possessed, saves them all. What happens? His people kill Him and He comes back. Now who is thought of as one of the best of all the apostles? Paul. Formally known as Saul, of the Pharisees, the sect that had Jesus killed and the best Christian killer of them all. Jesus (after he rose from the dead) came to Saul and showed him He was the Son of God. Saul, now Paul becomes one of the greatest leaders of Christians ever.

What does this all mean?

OT Even the best of us are not good enough.

NT Even the worst of us are good enough as long as we recognize Jesus, are forgiven (ie become Christian) and try. He loves ya dude and everyone else reading this He loves you too. The only thing he asks us to do is acknowledge Him for who He is, ask forgiveness, and try and live the way He showed us too. I know we don’t understand everything about God and we won’t, none of us, until we are with Him. But He is a loving God

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is it now safe to say that the god of the old testament is different from Jesus whom u christians claim is d same

as th OT god?

I mean why the sudden change from war and brutality in the OT to love .love love in the NT?, and u xtians just dont see it?

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT GNOSTICS WERE ACTUALLY CORRECT?

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That is the exact reason God (Jesus) taught love above all things.

1 Corinthians 13:13

And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Matthew 22:36-40

36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[a] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[b] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

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I am not a proponent of hate and i dont judge pple by their race sex,or religion,

but it is a free worlds where i can exercise my freedom of expression in forums like these ,

it is not to mock anyone BUT to challenge the fondational beliefs we have and trash it out with intelligent discusions dat doesnt mean

if u dont believe in my opinions i will insult or hurt you, dats primitive way of thinkin especially an old testament way of the jews

it might not sound cool with you ,but reality is that the OT stories r filled with atrocities like the jews killing anyone in the land they want2 possess

and claimin it was god dat gives them victory over their enemies,

but dat is subject to different interpretations, anyway u look at it it is brutality and barbaric like muslims killing xtians in this present day,becos dey dont belief in islam.

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If God made us love Him or one another than that is not our choice therefore it is not free will. The reason Christians use free will is because it is truth; it is a cornerstone belief of Christianity. If people didn’t have a choice than no one would be accountable for anything; you could not say that anything Hitler did was wrong because he couldn’t choose not to. Jesus most certainly did have a choice he chose to do it. When he said “if it is you’re will” He said He is the servant of the will of God. Did Jesus want to suffer and die? No, that’s part of being human no one wants to suffer but it was because of his love that He choose to do it anyways. That was part of why he came was to show us that you do have the choice do to right even when you seemingly do not benefit from it.

Our hearts are kind, yours, mine, his, hers but that not all there is to it. People get hurt and hurt causes us to hurt others. That’s why Jesus taught love, love everyone no matter what they do. That’s what he wants us to do that’s what Christians are called to do. Are we perfect? No. Are we even good at it…. Well some are better than others but…. We (hopefully) try to be. Truth be told I at first wanted to fight with you. When I read many things you said and saw the distaste you have for my beliefs my instinct is to attack. But that’s my human side, when I thought about it before just acting I calmed down and remembered that that is the very reason I often didn’t like Christians before I was one and even after. But we are all human. I like talking to others and sharing my beliefs. I don’t hate you because you don’t agree; I don’t wish harm to you or anything like that. Now this is not love to the end that God has it for us all but it is a brotherly love. If more people showed even this much love I think a lot of the problems people have with each other and people have with Christians would resolve. But this is a choice we must make every day and not all of us do so.

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AM TRYING HARD TO RATIONALISE YOUR STATEMENTS,

it is clear dat if he is perfect god he shud have made perfect creatures who love one anoda , 4get this free will thing

y wont he just make the heart of man kind since he is all powerful as u xtians say?eeh?

the concept of free will has and will always be d best way xtians will rationalise things ,

and oh! how come he didnt give jesus free will to avoid been crucified since he gave ALL creature this free will,

after all jesus said if it is ur will let this cup passover from me, but it sure didnt,

so y didnt christ have a choice?

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Ok I’ll try to do justice to what Mr. Lewis wrote as I cannot find the direct quote.

Let us use people and free will; I think this will work easier.

God in order to not have a bunch of toy soldiers running about gave us free will. In doing so he gave us the opportunity to not obey him, and even not believe in him. Now if you were God and you man people, out of love wouldn’t you want them to love you? Sure, thing is if they had no choice than it’s not really love. So by giving us a chance to choose to believe in Him and to love Him the love we show is real. But on the other hand we have now the chance to never believe in Him at all nor love Him. This is not what He wants, He wants us to all know and love Him as He loves and knows us. But it was His will that allowed us to not believe in Him at all. Therefore, it is not what He wants but still in accordance to His will.

Does that express my point better?

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The logic in what I said came from a British author from the early 20th century, as I stated in my post, therefore you comment is meaningless and does not have an argument beyond simple contradiction for the point of contradiction

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Matthew 5:45 “He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.” There are many things to be said on this issue but the bottom line is this, good and bad things happen to good and bad people. Is this the will of God no, is this in accordance to the will of God yes. At first this seems like a contradiction but it is not at all and can be explained simply. I believe that C.S. Lewis gave an example of this in his book Meer Christianity when speaking of free will but I believe it will work fine here as well. He said that a mother tells her children to keep their room clean, wanting them to do so. But when she inters their room and sees that it has not been done she is upset. Now it was her desire that they clean the room but it was her will that they do it without her overseeing that allowed it to become dirty. There for, it is possible for something to be both in accordance to the will of God while not being what he desires to happen. The world is in a bad way, good things happen to bad people and bad things to good ones. Satan runs around seemingly doing whatever he wills and where is God? He’s right where He’s always been and that is everywhere. How can this be if he is a loving God for there to be heart ache? Because the world is full of sin and yes Satan is allowed to do a lot of bad things in it. Who brought this sin on us? We did from the first person to the last we all sin. Does this mean that only the sinful die? No we all know that is not the case. Does this mean God is evil? No, that is a contraction in terms at the least and completely wrong all together. Is God a sates? That is about the most ignorant thing one could say, how and why would God worship Satan and thus be a sates?

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From those Bible accounts God does not in any way cause the things that adversely affect us be it natural disasters or evil

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Please all should please listen to me.I am not here to make you change your belief nor am here provoke anyone but i am only here to say the truth.It is true that speech is free but the result td cannot bear it.JAMES 1:13 SAYS WHEN UNDER TRIAL LET NO ONE SAY I AM BEING TRIED BY GOD BECAUSE WITH EVIL THINGS GOD CANNOT BE TRIED NOR DOES IF TRY ANYONE.The faithful man JOB ADDED WEIGHT to that statement in JOB 34:10 and 12.

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Our relationship with God is not different from the relationship that exist between an earthly father and his child. If you have kids you will best understand what am abt to explain. Every father want something good for the son. No father would ever watch his child fall into distruction while he just sit back watch and laugh, but every effort of a father to save his son from distruction can be seen by his son as sign of wickedness and dictatorship. Am a good example of that. I was brought up in a very strict family and as a child i viewed it as a sign of wickedness by my parents. I always asked myself why i cant play like other kids and do what ever i wanted to do like other kids, but those things i saw as wickedness and dictatorship then made me a better person and what i am today.

So my brother, God doesn't jst sit and watch all that he programmed play and he laugh his almighty backside off, lol. Look at what he said in the book of (Jeremiah 29:11) "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end"..

God don't jst sit back and laugh at all this. To every believer, things don't jst happen as coincidence, but they all happen according to the plan, purpose and will of God to grant them an expected end. So the question is what is the purpose, plan and will of God for man? Read (Genesis 1: 26-31).

If you read the above passage you will understand that God created a man that was supposed to be like him, a man who can live a life above the death we are arguing here, a man who can dominate the earth and not being swallowed by a common earthquake, a man who can make the right decision on his own. But we lost that authority and dominion, at every point in time God is always disappointed in the man he created, becoz we make the wrong choices and decision for ourselves, that makes us now live on God's grace and mercy. He is never a dictator neither has he being a dictator, becoz even at that, man still reserve the right to say NO to whatever the will or purpose of God is for your life.e.g. Adam was the first man that changed the purpose of God for their life, Jabez did, Jesus could have changed the will of God for him to die on the cross in Gethsemane and many others. That can be generated into another topic, which is the perfect, and permissive will of God,that i cant go deep into now.

So man, we lost that Authority to make the right choice and decision for ourselves, therefore left God with no choice but to guide and direct us on the right decision to make. Being the supreme, he knows what is best for us. Is like a son who refused to grow up in making the right decision and choice, he will always find himself in the position of being dictated by the father on the right thing to do and decision making. And mind you the child still reserve the right to say no to whatever the father dictates for him or whtever choice of the father is, but the big question is this. Is it the right thing to do or profitable for the child to say no to the father's decision and choices even when he can barely make any good one for himself?

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@pricekevo

based on you r scriptural answers is it not right to assert that God is the supreme fascist who toils with our minds and watches everythin that

he has planned to play out while he sits up there laughing his almighty Bottom off?

I dont c any logical explanation again to the fact that he hardens anyone he wants to and shows mercy to whom he wants

is that not the attribute of a human dictator/fascist who doesnt entertain any questions from anyone?based on Isaiah 45 :7

shud God still be seen as an all loving God at all times as the xtians claim?

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First, i must tell you that am not a pastor.

Well i love your sincere question.

One thing every true believer knows is that life is not abt how long you lived here on earth, but how fulfilled your life here on is. If i lived a life full of fulfillmentand died at the age of 60 am far better than those who live a life of Methuselah(A life without meaning). No true believer will be asking why God is taking him home early, but should be happy to join the eternal rest. Only those who have no assurance of wht become of them after death strive to live a longer life here on earth. The only king who strived to live longer on here earth ended up destroyingthe  future of his children, in jst extra 15 year he asked for.(Isaiah 38 and chpt. 39)

Have you ever asked yourself what makes God, God? That supreme power over the earth, Omnipotence, Omniscience and Omnipresent. Who are we to question his decision? He promised Moses to led the isrealites into cannan, but moses died in the wilderness without steppingnto the land of cannan, all the isrealite that receivedhis promise in Egypt died in the wilderness, only their children born in the wilderness was able to possess the land(Deut.3:37-39). Long life was among the promises of God to King solomon, but he live a fullfiled life and died at the age of 60year and to u that is not long life.

That is why the bible said in the book of (Romans 9:14-25)

14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,

   "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,

      and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[c] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."[d] 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

19One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "

21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?

22What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25As he says in Hosea:

   "I will call them 'my people' who are not my people;

      and I will call her 'my loved one' who is not my loved one,"[f] 26and,

   "It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them,

      'You are not my people,'

   they will be called 'sons of the living God

So My brother God knows the future more than we do, that is why is appointed for every man to die someday, whenever it is right for us to go home. Instead of us wasting time thinking why those that departed had to die, we rather spend time to think why are we still living, and what is the pupose for our living? Are we living our life according to that purpose we are still alive? The short time we are to live here on earth, spend the time to think of how many lifes have you touched positively and how many have touched you. Are you living a life with a purpose, a life of fulfillments or just living a life of Methuselah( a life without meaning nor definition, but counting years).

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To answer you question i will first let you understand that Calamities are different from death. Calamities might occour as a result of punishement of sin(Isaiah 3:8-9) or as a test of faith in God (Job 1:1-12), but death on its own that might occour from a calamity is inevitable. There are many calamities that happened with 0 or less death. e.g last year financial crisis that hit the whole world, many billioniers lost billions , many become wretched as a result of that, Global warming we are suffering from today,etc. These are also disaster and camalities. I know many will argue these to be a calamity, becoz to a lay man, only events that occoured with mass death can be seen as a calamity or disaster.

Ok let see true meaning of Calamity.

1.An event that brings terrible loss, lasting distress, or severe affliction; a disaster: A hurricane would be a calamity for this low-lying coastal region.

2.Dire distress resulting from loss or tragedy.(Answers.com)

what is a disaster?

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a.An occurrence causing widespread destruction and distress; a catastrophe.

b.A grave misfortune.

2.Informal. A total failure: The dinner party was a disaster.

3.Obsolete. An evil influence of a star or planet.

From the definition of Calamity you can see that Calamities might come with death, but not all death are caused by calamity. Calamity or diseaster does not always come with death as we think. It is a diseaster or a calamity for a millioniar falling counting millions to a begger.

Having said this in conclusion, those that died out of calamities, was  their to time die( which is inevitabe, be you righteous or sinner, old or young). Every one is gonna die someday it doesnt matter how you die, be it out of a diseaster ,sickness or sleep. In a calamity or diseaster there are many that felt the impact severely, but still survived, but some that jst died with less or no impact on them. I watch the rescue operation of the earthquake that happened in china. The survival of a year old child still remain a mystery to me till tml. They had to dig the ground to bring out this baby, lo and hold she was still alive. To understand what am saying watch the rescue operation in haiti, you will see that the survival is not always according to the impact they felt from the diseaster. Also you see a lot of miracle, i may call it, to the survivals.

What am i saying in this extent, people die in a diseaster not becoz of their sin, but becoz it was their time to go home. In other thread i made it it clear that since the death of jesus christ on the cross, Physical death siezed to be a punishment of sin. Calamities or diseaster might be as a punishment for sin, but death comes as an inevitable.

Hope this answer your question?

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quite funny ,

an earthquake just hit haiti killing tens of thousands of people, including CHRISTIANS(the archbishop was killed too)

again i ask princekevo and other xtians

is it also your sins that caused this quake?remember that devout xtians died in their tousands including the bishop.so how would you reconcile your idea that sin caused it ?

why didnt the quake kill only the wicked and sinful peolple?

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What a funny question? Does it matter who caused them? All that matters is there is a causes that brought every effect. So in an answer to your question is men that brought these disasters upon themselve. Disaster has never being a cause, but an effect. What you should be asking is what causes the disaster? the asnwer is our

Sin. God has made it clear for man what attracts these disasters to us which is sin (Duet 28) an also 2 Chronicles 7:14

"if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

That tells you that we face today's diesasters becoz of our Sin. The world today has sinned more than sodom and Gommoreah, as such brought these disaster upon ourselves. So you cant blame God for them, neither is he the one tht directly brought them to you. He permits these disasters to come upon, becoz we have already brought them unto ourselves by sins and abominable acts against him. Isaiah 3:8-9 (New International Version)

8 Jerusalem staggers,

       Judah is falling;

       their words and deeds are against the LORD,

       defying his glorious presence.

9 The look on their faces testifies against them;

       they parade their sin like Sodom;

       they do not hide it.

       Woe to them!

       They have brought disaster upon themselves.

If you then ask the meduim through these disasters come to us. I will tell they all come from the devil, becoz he is already going to and fro looking for whom to distroy. he already have this power of distruction in him. But can not distroy until God permitts him to do so. That is what still made God the Almighty. Devil works with his intruction, so when you sin against God and refuse to repent he pemitts these things to come upon you.

For example, in the book of 1 kings 22:20 -22  "2And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'

      "One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'

22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked.

      " 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.

      " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

If you read down you can see that the lying spirit he put on Ahabs phropets lead him into a war where he was destroyed. So who will you bame for Ahab's death? God? You blame Ahab for his death, coz if you read the book of first kings you will see all the evil and abomination he committed against God.

Ok in verse 23 see how the prophet of God Micaah delivered the prophecy.

" 23 "So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."

You can see that all other prophecy was not elaborated as this, they didnt explain in detail all that they saw or probably depending on what God revealed to them ,so they prophecised jst as prophet Micaiah did in verse 23.

To further explain to you that all these come from the devil but permitted by God, in the book of Job 1: 1-12

6 One day the angels  came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. 7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?"

      Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."

And in Verse 11 and 12 it says

11 But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."

12 The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger."

      Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.

You can see here devil asking God for permition to smith Job, when he asked for the permition he said but stretch[b] your[/b] hands(God) and strike everything he has. becoz of Jobs righteousness God gave him a limit to which he can go. So satan could not go beyond the limit God gave to him. This is to tell you that despite Satan delivers the disasters, the authourity to go ahead lies in the Hands of God as the Almighty god.

So my brother is very simple and logical.

You sin against the highest Authourity(GOD), you attracts purnishment to yourself (disaster) and  Satan delivers the purnishment to you(the delivery)

Who caused the punishement upon you? God? Nope, but you.

Just like a president made a law, you offended the law and attract death imprisonment to yourself, the judges condemn and deliver the punishement unto. Who caused your life imprisonment? the president or the Judge? Of coz YOU. Mind you, despite the judge delivering your punishment, the president still have the ultimate power to reverse the punishement based on some reasons. The same thing goes with God when we sin against him, we attract these punishemnt unto ourselves. he still have the ultimate power to reverse the punishment if we ask for his forgiveness. That is why he said in the book of Chronicles 7:14

"if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

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Jesus said there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. He talked more about hell than any other.how 'humanitarian' that is, I won't tell. Go and learn to read the Bible before running commentaries

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Actually, what has happened is that the whole world is out of order. The earth was without form and void and God came and made everything good. But sin brought a curse and withdrew God's preservation. Now all things are in chaos, but we look for a new heaven and new earth. Till then, let God guide you daily.

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A.K.O why dont u respond to the isaiah 45: 7 verse?

r u confused to explain how a GOOD GOD causes SORROW OR EVIL?

it is easy to see how contradictory d bible is ,so why not accept the GNOSTIC view dat the God of the old testament is not d same person dat is Jesus!CUZ JESUS LIKE A TRUE HUMANITARIAN PREACHED NOTHING BUT LOVE,

dat is wat the romans tot u to belief,DAT THERE R 3 PERSONS IN ONE GOD, quite funny when it is clear dat they have different dispositions, but think without bias ,

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ttalks i can only conclude one tin from the scriptures u quoted.

GOD IS A SUPREME FASCIST WHO TOILS WITH US AS HE LIKES.

its like he has laid every tin out frm the onset and we r just playing it out like a drama while

he sits down and laffs off his Bottom, the bible said dat he causes disaster, the question now is, IS GOD GOOD ALL THE TIME?, MY ANSWER IS HELL NO!

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^ ^ ^

I can't speak for all christians but I cannot answer this question because I don't know who caused it, neither do I know why it happened.

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Your god caused an earthquake in a South American city who created the collapse of the roof of the church, killing and injuring so many Christians.[b]WHY?[/B]

As usual christians refuse to answers this questions.

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the is God wicked? using us the way he likes because he's God, what the point here,

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But what you said earlier made it look like God could never do any thing like destruction or disasters; that if such did happen, it must be the devil's doing.

The truth is, everything that happens is by God and for God. He is in total control; not the wimpy god people make him out to be when they make it look like things are out of his control.

Evil is a creation of God and it does happen when God deems it necessary.

Isa 45:7 kjv

(7)  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Isa 45:7 cev

(7)  I create light and darkness, happiness and sorrow. I, the LORD, do all of this.

Isa 45:7 bbe

(7)  I am the giver of light and the maker of the dark; causing blessing, and sending troubles; I am the Lord, who does all these things.

The word for evil,sorrow and troubles as transliterated by the three bible versions above is:   רע

or[b] ra‛[/b] in hebrew.

It is this same word that is used for evil in every other part of the bible written in hebrew.

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^ ^ ^

I'm glad you have quoted this scriptre, howbeit out of context. You've introduced us to the fact that God does cause some disaster to happen. The only difference is that God does this as a form of righteous judgement for peoples' sins. This is the pattern in scripture and is even a few verses above this, if only you quoted in context:

Amos 3:

1 Hear this word the LORD has spoken against you, O people of Israel—against the whole family I brought up out of Egypt:

2 "You only have I chosen

of all the families of the earth;

therefore I will punish you

for all your sins."

So God made His intentions very clear. It is not my place to decide who caused which contemporary disaster and attempting to do that is quite futile because we may never know.

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Amos 3:6 kjv

(6) Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Amos 3:6 cev

(6) Isn't the whole city frightened when the trumpet signals an attack? Isn't it the LORD who brings disaster on a city?

Amo 3:6 bbe

(6) If the horn is sounded in the town will the people not be full of fear? will evil come on a town if the Lord has not done it?

God is responsible for everything we see or experience. The sooner we realize and accept this fact, the easier it is for us.

The devil is just a perfectly functioning creation of God.

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Because christians have no answers to this question.

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so why havnt the zealots like a.k.o responded to this intelligent question eeh?

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I remember a few year ago there was a violent earthquake in a small city in South America and most of the people in the streets were unhurt but the church's roof collapsed killing and injuring so many Christians. This raise some interresting questions; who was responsible for the collapse of the roof of the church?.

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What a pity. Nothing kills faster than ignorance.

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Abi o and we are suppose 2 believe he loves. I tink god(dog) is a sadist. Wen u hear of hw pple die like flies u cnt help but reason that god is nt in charge but nature

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