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God Or No God? Who Cares And What Does It Really Matter?

'You believe in God; that's fine. I don't; and that's OK too.'We've all heard it said.  It's non-judgmental; tolerant; pluralistic.  But it's also desperately superficial; and not very logical.

But the big question remains? IS THERE REALLY A GOD?

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Woah, blast from the past (isn't that just a most curious cliche?). Anyhoo, yeah I accpept the fact it does.

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@KAG,

So you actually believe that the bible contains inane passages. Well, as for me, I am believe it contains no such things.

@JEN33,

We are here to rub minds and not to force one's belief on the other but I must tell you this as bluntly as possible:   REPENT, BELIEVE JESUS IS THE ONLY SON OF GOD AND THAT HE (JESUS) IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, NO ONE CAN ACCESS GOD EXCEPT THROUGH HIM. Not even Mary like some people believe can give you access to God.

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God exists, but not in the form/personality we associate him with. He is a Creator, and he creates creators.

This earth was probably not directly created by God. Same as humans.

There are other intelligent beings far more advanced than humans that could easily have seeded the human race combining their DNA with earth primates to create MAN.

In fact it is very likely that this was what happened.

But when we die we all return to the world of spirits - our true home.

And God or better yet The Source is very apparent in that world.

The Source exists and everything - good and evil - is all part of a grand plan of enlightenment for individual droplets or aspects of the Source.

These droplets are what we term Life, and all are indestructible.

Consciousness lives forever. Consciousness is energy. Energy is indestructible, and can only be transformed into another state.

When we die, our body (which is really just a coat or space suit) decomposes but our consciousness moves on, with our memories intact.

Life is forever.

For more info see www.near-death.com

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What happens next? I mean, will he (Abraham) remain umoved? What about God? Won't she intervene at some point?

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Luke 16

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

YOU WILL BEG HIM IN HELL WHEN YOUR SOUL IS THROWN TO HELL BY YOUR OWN SIN AGAINST MAN AND GOD

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which of the Gods are you refering to? OLORUN, YAWEH. EL. APSU, MARDUK, JEHOVAH, JESUS CHRIST, Allah, CHINEKE, etc

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That people can ask if there's God or not means there is God.

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nawa for dis quote quote thingy.

it matters so much to me,u dont necesarily have to beleive in d existence of God,u believe whatever u want to.

yup,not perfect but whatever i do i make sure its d rite thing and accordn to d words of God.

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"How vain and without merit" is the man who in order to evade the refutation of his ideas, retorts with inane Biblical passages.

"Reckless and incompetent expounders of holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although “they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.”

- The Literal Interpretation of Genesis, St. Augustine

It is clear, not inspite of, but because of your inability to actually acknowledge the rebuttal of your illogical mantra, that it has indeed been falsified. Thank you for your time.

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  Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Titus 3:9-10 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject

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Bumpity, bumpity, bump! In case it was missed the second time.

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Bump, in the hopes of getting an actual response.

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Okay, just so long as you know Pascal plunged headfirst into the fallacy well.

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i feel u KDK,

KAG sweetie, its better to live ur life as if there is God and later find out there is no GOd than live it as if there is no God and later find out that is.

It s gonna be baaaad

God help u

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Which in no way explains away the divine truth that was used to cling to the geocentric model, nor does it adequately explain the implications of a literal reading of verses like Joshua 10:12 "and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun stand thou still, and thou moon" 13 And the Sun stood still, and the moon stayed, So the Sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day", or "Isaiah 38:8 ", So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.".

Furthermore, even if we do accept the non-literal interpretation of those verses, the implications are still far removed from actual reality. If we assume that Joshua was wrong, and it was actually the Earth that stood still, and not the Sun and the moon. We would still be faced with the quite improbable occurence of a event that should have killed Joshua and every person on the planet. The same goes for Hezekiah, except in his case the Earth must have somehow defied the laws of physics, and moved the wrong way, but as this things tend to go, nobody else in the world noticed.

In any case, whichever way you slice it, and to reiterate my earlier point, the facts did falsify the "divinely inspired truth".

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The point is that the writers described things RELATIVE TO THEM.

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It doesn't say "our planetary system is geocentric" (I'm sure you already knew that), nor does it have to state it in that way. However, a literal reading of several verses do lead the reader to conclude that the Bible did indeed support a geocentric idea.

Some verses I've posted before:

The more popular ones: Joshua 10:12 ", and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun stand thou still, and thou moon" 13 And the Sun stood still, and the moon stayed, So the Sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day"

I Chronicles 16:30 Psalm 93:1 Verses that show the Earth does not move

Isaiah 38:8 ", So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down."

(some of the verses gotten from an actual [Christian] geocentrist)

Based on those verses and several others, a geocentric model became divine truth; a divine truth that even resulted in the persecution of scientists who tried to point out the facts.

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Could you please show me where it is written in the bible that "Our planetary system is geocentric" . Then I will begin to accept some of your facts.

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In this instance, that would be the Christian Bible.

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@ KAG,

when you say "Holy Book" ,what book exactly are you referring to?Please be specific.

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What I said is both fact and reality, and based on presented evidence can be accepted as a truth. Also, of course not all truths fit the "logical mind, etc", that's becaue many truths are actually devoid of logic, have little substance, and many do eventually become falsified by facts.

A much overused example: Truth - Our planetary system is geocentric, and our Holy book tells us this istrue and is a divine truth.

Fact - Based on scientific evidence and points of references, our planetary system is more accurately described as a heliocentric system.

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@kAG

What you said is a fact but it is not the truth. The truth is that: not all truths fit the logical mind's eye which seeks logic and substantity of that truth. Most truths are abstract in certain qualities.

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Thought about it, and it's still not all "truths" are facts. In fact to introduce a corollary, not all "truth" are grounded in reality and/or sanity.

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@KAG,

All facts are not truths but all truths are facts. (Think about it)

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You say potato,

Some things may be "truths" but not necessarily facts.

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@ kodewrita ,

Your belief about me may be a fact but is it the truth?

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@KDK are you asking so as to gain knowledge or just to prove a point? I believe you have already formed your own conclusions on the matter but I will still ask you the What If? question. I mean what if there is a God? Then what happens to you? At the end of the day, you will still have to consider that question.

@Seun Interesting that you should make such a categorical statement. You have obviously tested the idea of the existence/non-existence of a God and made the discovery that many ponder about. You have concluded after extensive rumination that he does not exist.

Please enlighten us as to how you came about that conclusion and If possible tell us what you think would be the implications if there is and if there's not.

@KAG have fun but at the end of the day, you will answer the same question.

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@ hawaiian

Please tell them before they realise too late.

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@ KAG,

I don't feel it's a case of patting backs and ignoring responses; rather we are trying to rub minds here and every1 is just making efforts to bring home their various perceptions (which may be narrow, liberal or circumspective) of this subject matter. However remember that some things may be facts but not necessarily the truth (brood over this).

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Wow, fallacies and borderline insults, sorry (in truth I'm not sorry) I bothered. Feel free to talk at yourselves, continuing to ignore responses to questions, and pat yourselves on your backs.

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@KDK

ure right bt i hope it would nt be too late when they get tp realise what they re doing.

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@ queen2

I agree with you

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Nothing of the sort. Are you?

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KAG,u re just being ignorant.

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Interesting. Do you believe Cthulu exists when you lose or can't find a book to read.

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I just have to say that doesn't make any sense.

Yes.

I would hope to "exist" in a fantasy world of books and words, a world that would also allow me to visit the Earth every now and then, to see how things are going. It shuld also afford me the opportunity to visit the otehr planets in our Universe. Reality says it ain't happening though, and after I die, I will cease to exist.

Earth? Nobody. Heaven? Non-existent.

Doctors play a big part, and for minor illnesses, my immune system does a good job.

My family and friends, my teachers, and far too many experiences and people to name.

Yes.

Nobody.

My parents.

Good for you.

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they know God exists only wen the have problem

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I just have to say that most of u are ungrateful.By say God does not exist,no offence pls.have u ever sat down and thought of life and death.where do you hope to go after death?who is the creator of heaven and earth?who do u think heals u when u re sick?the doctor or what?who made you what you are today.have u ever been amazed at anything on earth .who do u think created the.who gave u life?

I believe in God almighty,the creator of heaven and earth!!!!!!!!!!!am just astonished at the way some pple think.

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So what do u actually believe in? nuttin i guess, u just live and everything happens to u (good or bad)just like that

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