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How Can You Be Sure You Are Destined For Heaven?

Can one really prophesied in the name of the Lord, cast out demons in his name and do wondrous works in his name, all these and more, and NOT be of god? Would god allow all these to be done in his name and yet the doer not be on god's side? Would god really channel his powers and gifts through someone who is not on his side? Why would god do such a deceitful thing?

This means that someone like Benny Hinn who performs all these "wondrous act" (slaying in the spirit, healing, prophesing etc) in the name of the Lord may yet be from the devil. Is this not absurd that god would channel his powers thought someone from the devil. If that were so, who is served by all these wondrous acts?

What this means for the rank and file believer is that considering all their works and dedication to serving god and doing his will, they may yet end up on the other side. How can one really know whether they are on god's side? Looks like you don't get to know until the end.

Matthew 7:

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

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1. The truth is that no one can prove his religion right or anybody else's wrong! thats y religion is termed a faith! not a science

2. Everyone is allowed to believe what he wants to believe

3. Personally, i believe if i want to believe in something, it should make some sense and be consistent

4. For those who cant understand a God that ll torment humans forever, please be at rest. Go will not torment you forever, He'll just remove you from his prescence forever and thats a Xtians defintion of hell! peronally i believe whether you re a Xtian or not eternl seperation from God is spiritual death and ince a spirit is not supposed to die, such a spirit lives in its own peronal hell

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@rodgertutt I feel you man thats why I say religion is very bogus is just what a few learned used to control the many ignorant. As part of my research though I would love to hear of your personal experience have you got an email address we can use.

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If you cannot love an eternal torment god

For the first 500 years after Christ, universalism was the prevailing doctrine believed and taught by the Christian church.

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.shtml

Universalism The Prevailing Doctrine Of The Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred Years

The author, J.W. Hanson wrote “The purpose of this book is to present some of the evidence of the prevalence in the early centuries of the Christian church, of the doctrine of the final holiness of all mankind. The author believes that the following pages show that Universal Restitution was the faith of the early Christians for at least the First Five Hundred Years of the Christian era. He has aimed to present irrefragable proofs that the doctrine of Universal Salvation was the prevalent sentiment of the primitive Christian church.

The salient statements and facts in all which will be found in these pages show that the most and ablest of the early fathers found the deliverance of all mankind from sin and sorrow specifically revealed in the Christian Scriptures.” And they were reading the Bible in its original language.

This online book also explains why and how this changed.

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/DoctrineOfRetribution.htm

Up until now, after reading this post, many believers in eternal torment have said something like, “I truly sympathize with your sufferings, but it’s what the Bible says that matters, not whether or not it makes you suffer.” That’s why I want to say right at the outset that many of the links posted here show that a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible actually teaches universal salvation, not eternal torment, or even annihilation.

I’m 69 years old. The idea that God lets anyone suffer forever has caused me more suffering, including a twelve year nervous breakdown 1966-78, than all the other sufferings of my life combined.

This suffering was caused by the fear produced by not being able to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever and wondering what this god would do to me for not being able to love him. Even though I was and am trusting for my salvation in what Jesus accomplished by His death and resurrection, through the power in the blood of His cross, I was, and still am unable to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever. Here are testimonies similar to mine.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html

http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/consequences.html 

If you are like me and cannot love a god who would let anyone suffer forever, you can copy and paste (if necessary) the following urls into the address bar and find out that a literally (not interpretively) translated Bible actually teaches universal salvation, not even annihilation.

THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD

If necessary, copy and paste the following urls into the address bar.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm

At the top and bottom of that same THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD page, there is the following link to fourteen other writings in the same series that are related to this same subject.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm

Don’t kid yourself. If anyone suffers forever JESUS IS DOING IT TO THEM

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm

THE GOD THAT CALVINIST AND ARMINIAN ETERNAL TORMENTORS PROFESS TO LOVE

The eternal torment theology of the Arminian Christian relies on so-called “free will” and luck.

The god that Arminian eternal tormentors profess to love says to his fallen creatures

“Unless you are lucky enough to find out about my son during this lifetime, and even if you are that lucky, if you don’t have the good sense to cooperate with my son properly before you die, then I am going to raise you from the dead and I will sustain you alive in an inescapable state of eternal torment forever.”

The eternal torment theology of the Calvinist Christian relies on God alone, not “free will” at all. It is summed up by the word TULIP: Total depravity, Unconditional election, Limited atonement, Irresistible grace, and the Perseverance of the elect.

The god that Calvinistic eternal tormentors profess to love says to his fallen creatures

"I created most of you for the purpose of torturing you forever. However, I am going to choose a few of you undeserving ones to go to heaven where you will be happy forever." John Calvin said there will be infants a span long in hell because they were not among the elect. (A span is the distance between the tip of the thumb to the tip of the little finger.)

And then both the Arminian and Calvinistic eternal tormentors say that the feelings that they have for this god of theirs is “love.”

To read a description of eternal torment combination Calv-Arminianism see

ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST – Charles Slagle

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html

This next url sums up the end result of all three

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm

Without God’s sustaining power everyone would cease to exist.

So if anyone were to suffer forever, our all-powerful God (Who is Love in essence, not just loving) would be fully 100% responsible for it. We would have to conclude that any definition of the manifestation of  “love-in-essence” includes eternally sustaining people alive in an inescapable state of suffering. What a travesty; what a revolting definition of love it is that God, Who is love personified, would grant any creature a will so strong that they can choose themselves into an irreversible state of never ending suffering (Arminian), or they deserve to suffer forever just by being born into the human race (Calvinist)!

Thank God the Bible does not teach such an insane idea! Yes, God is just but He is not justice personified. However, God is Love personified. That is why He will temper all of His administrating of justice only to be for the good of the individual being judged.

Here is what the God that universal transformationists love and worship with complete abandon will do. He will complete the process of salvation for the first fruits of election, (the remnant chosen by grace), after the first resurrection. Then He will complete the process of salvation for the non-elect after the great white throne judgment. For some, it will include an experience in the lake of fire.

Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead to guarantee that any necessary "kolasis aionian" (age-during corrective chastisement) will be 100% effective in changing wrong attitudes. All acts of sin have been forgiven for everyone. Attitudes cannot be forgiven. Attitudes must change. This is what the lake of fire which is the second death will do. It will last no longer than God sees is good for everyone involved.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/TheLakeOfFire-Eby.html

You can Google up good articles on this subject by typing in kolasis aionian

Also see

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm 

For anyone who cannot love an endless-hell god ---

BIBLICAL CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALIST RESOURCES

Copy and paste the following urls into the address bar

http://www.christian-universalism.com/links.html

http://www.christianuniversalist.org

Also see

Information, and frequently asked questions in support of a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaching universal salvation,

http://www.tentmaker.org/bloglinks.htm

http://www.tentmaker.org/sitemap.html

http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html 

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html   

(If necessary, copy and paste them into your address bar)

and they will learn that the Bible actually teaches universal salvation instead, not even annihilation.

Or, they will go to the search engine at the top of http://www.tentmaker.org  and will type in a key word or phrase from any argument or scripture passage. Ten articles will come up refuting the claim that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation. Then they may click to the next page and ten more articles will come up, and so on and so on for many pages.

The many entries in my guestbook that is accessed towards the bottom of my front page at   http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/

and the many entries at http://www.tentmaker.org/visitorcomments.htm

show just how much this information is helping people.

Also see http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html

This was the information that enabled me to recover from a twelve year nervous breakdown 1966-78, and it gives me great joy to keep learning that it is helping more and more other people too!! I’m 69

I am also going to guide you to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. His name is Charles Slagle.

He responds to the question, "Which view of salvation is true?"

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html

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All religions and the divisions within them reek with the smell of deceit for all ye catholics take note that the church LEADERS have decided that you can be a muslim and make heaven since you all have the same roots which is Abraham, nice move by them but that will not raise the dust to cover my eyes from seeing that all you try to do is to out maneuver yourselves as to who will make it. The protestants who the catholics say have no commission from God will prove to you including joining 2 non connecting verses in the bible like Genesis 1:2 and Jeremiah 4:23 together just so that they can make their point. The truth is that the earth could never have been created the way genesis said plus most of the stories in the bible like the noah flood could not just have been possible. The earth is 4.5 billion years old what religion has an answer for that, the people that wrote genesis never knew that a 5.8 million year old fossil would be dug out in ethiopia!

So when you guys tell me you believe I just wonder.

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@Queenisha: « #65 on: Today at 05:32:13 PM »  

The situation in Paradise is difference, from your carnal earthly mind. (I have to get you on the carnal thing. lol).

Any woman whose husband ends up in hell, and she ends up in paradise, will not have any relationship with the man.

In Paradise, she will find the best of mate. There is no jealousy in heaven. And the energy of the people of paradise is

always full. People are not fatiqued, in Paradise. All are satisfied. Join the in-crowd.

The moroccans are copying your Christian ways. And I know many Moroccans who have more than 1 wife.

But lady, why showing this jealousy side of you? You are the same woman that you said you do not want

hip replacement, or dislocation of joints (bone and socket, and others) in the past when we broched this

Man woman relationship, from Islamic perspective. There should be a resident bearded man. Tell him to

grow some, just for experimentation.

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exceeding one is adultery

even in Morocco

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@Queenisha

Marrying a woman exceeding the limit of four in Islam is as though you are commiting adultery. You don't have to say all these concerning your Creator. He is Angry with this. Why not please Him?

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@ frizy since you'll get 72 virgins,what will your wives get?

72 eunuchs? that'll be unfair,what can one do with a castrated man

72 male virgins  unfair too,women don't like inexperienced and illexperienced men?

72 men they knew here on earth who will also have 72 virgins? that'll be plain wrong

or will they turn into one of the virgins? wrong too

or shall they be charged with washing your bedsheets after each virgin? poor things

tell me and please show me where it's written.

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NO ONE is Sure of anything.

There is no proof that heaven or hell exists.  (I recommend reading the greek and hebrew version of the Bible, it describes context.)

If hell exists then Nigeria has been hell for many POOR FOLKS.

If heaven exists then Nigeria has been heaven for many Politicans and Pastors. Imagine a canaanland on earth. I thought canaanland was the so called "promised land" which would be heaven.

Anyways sha,

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@Gamine:

Get me connected to him. he and me will talk, mano a mano. Ask Queenisha about me. I speak up, without being abrasive. I am counting on you. Don't forget. Okay?

You need 2. One for your own ablution first, before the other you can use for the indoor plants. maybe you need another for washing " !" Thats the foundation of the real ablution.

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72 only?

one guy married 100 wives right there in Nigeria

and all Allah promises is 72

Allah has to step up his game

The sons of men have moved higher than his figures

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I am sure I am going to heaven because God says so in His word and God can NEVER lie.

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@Gamine:

And my eyes welled up with tears, for your father, you and your siblings and your mum. Oh muslim men, read what Gamine wrote and do not marry a disbelieving woman without exhausting your search for a believing woman, first. Do not have a woman that will weaken your Iman and be the shayatin among mankind in your life. Obey the commandments of Allah and the sunnah of His prophet (as), about choice of spouse.

Oh muslim women, it is forbidden for you to marry a man other than a muslim. What is to be enjoyed of a believing woman is forbidden to a disbelieving man. Believing women must marry believing men. Otherwise you have disobeyed Allah in His Sharia and have not followed the prophet (as) in the way Allah had made him practiced it by the sunnah.

Gamine, I pray that Allah the Almighty forgive your grandfather, the Muslim. May he be accepted in His Jannah, Paradise without ever going to Hellfire. Amin. Now tell your father that you met a man on the blogging that is sorrowed by his condition. Alhamdulillah, your father is not dead, yet. Tell him, if he wishes to have a conversation I am available. I will call him, whereever he may be on earth.

To all, no man must be spiritually weak relative to his woman's. If I mount any woman, she being my wife, will not be my head. A partner yes, but never my head. Unfortunately, if your father had not been, at best, a lukewarm muslim, there could never have a possibility that he would have succomb to a prayer of a disbeliever. I am sure that if any Aborisha/Amadiolla have made the same prayer, he would have crumbled just as much. Now, gamine, tell him that. Tell him that there is this muslim who will like to talk to him. I think I am old enough to have his audience.

If your mom wishes to listen, she should be my guest. And you know that I am direct, but respective. I will be in my best behaviors.

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72 pere!  Maybe if he times'd it by 5 to give 360 then they could form a complete circle around me, one for each day of the year, then I would find it tempting.

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U should be really careful about the way you mouth-swipe other people's religion!

It is not the most sensible thing to do, it would only bring about more controversies

Just a piece of advice, and you dont have to rain curses on me nor take the advice

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chie where davidylan dey abeg make i go embrace am with my bag of explosives, him don desecrate the prophet mohammed and Allah so many times on nairaland. i really want those virgins ohh. davidylan where you dey abeg i want those 72 virgins.

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No Christian wan die but them wan go heaven!

Hypocrites

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where  and what is heaven? and why must you die before you go there? every religion has its own heaven. the moslem heaven will be extreamly lovely ohhh because there will be so many beautiful and sexy virgins besides the rivers that will be flowing with booze chie. i go like dey there ohhh.

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which sounds reasonable to you? the notion that you can fly to heaven while eating eba?

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@post

what guarantee is there that when we die we are destined for heaven when it cannot be proved that heaven actually exists? The whole notion that you must die before you can go to heaven sounds absurd to me.

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How can anyone be sure they are going to heaven?? Hmm!! The truth is that they have absolutely no idea what heaven is. Is it beyond te sky, another world like earth with cars, houses, streets of gold and all worthy not?? Will there be poor men and rich men?? Who will be boss and who will be gatemen??

Heaven is just a religious joke, a fantasy that we all wish for, the much elusive utopia that is desired by everyone.

What happens if you die and discover that there is no heaven?? What if the theory of reincarnation is true?? What if death is the last point?? What if Allah is for real and the muslims all get 72 virgins?? What if you reincarnate and co e back as an animal??

WHO KNOWS?? I guess y'all should just keep going with faith?? Hope that what you are doing is right and true.

I might prolly come back as a deity.

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The jehova's witness carry the same bible as us except it is interpreted differently as they pls.

joseph Smith brought his own book . . . the bible is clear . . . in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let a matter be agreed . . . does Joseph smith's book agree with the bible? NO!.

Again to debunk these baseless claims of an "edited" bible . . . the complete original translations of the bible are available . . . USE IT!

Dont be silly, Christ had 12 disciples (plus Mathias) . . . only Peter, James and John had their books included in the bible . . . if we were to include the books of all the 3000 disciples who came to Christ on the day of pentecost do you know how big the bible would be today?

You asked this earlier . . . are you running out of gas?

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joseph smith has his own book which he claims was given to him by god, why should it be discarded? johova's witness have their bible which fully supports their cliams too so what are you talking about, why is their own version of the bible wrong and yours right? their bible was editted to support their own belief just the way yours was editted to support you own belif, why is yours the right bible and why is their's the wrong one?

thomas and some of the apostels worked with jesus but their accounts of events were discarded by the bible compliers and editors so what are you saying?

which of the bibles? the mormon bible? the jehovas witness version, the catholic version or the one you are holding? which of them is the true bible?

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It shows again that you dont know what you're talking about. The mormon doctrine (Joseph Smith) is not found in the bible, Mariolatry is NOT found in the bible, the divinity of Jesus Christ as LORD is in the bible contrary to Jehova's witness claims.

how then did they get these beliefs from the bible? Next time read before arguing.

Because brother Paul's message is spot on with the very same message of Salvation Christ preached and is validated by the teachings of others like James, Peter and John (men who walked with Christ when Joseph Smith's fore fathers were not even born).

Its not rocket science.

the bible is the yardstick by which beliefs shld be judged not by how loud your noise is.

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the way you believe they are lost is the same way the believe you are lost too. so who is wright and who is wrong? and do their various beliefs invalidate them as christains?

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Because their extraneous beliefs are not supported by the very bible they claim to hold. Simple as ABC except to the lost.

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so? catholics believe in the divinity of mary while so many others do not and there are over a billion of them. those that invalidate them as christains? jehova witness do not believe in the divinity of jesus as god, they do not believe he was curcified on a cross but rather he was hung a tree what about them? mormons believe they are the only sect that are truely christains because of the revelation of god to joseph smit , why should people not believe in jospeh smit and believe in paul, they both claim to have seen visions and revelations from god didnt they? white garment wearing churches, seven day adventist etc too have their own beliefs etc . they all got their beliefs from the same bible like you. why are they all wrong?

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No matter how close a counterfeit $5 note is, it will have at least one subtle difference from the real $5 note.

Islam is hinged exclusively on denying the Lordship of Christ, acknowledging that Jesus was crucified and resurrected will be an automatic invalidation of the entire empire of islam.

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muslims believe that bible has been corrupted by the christains. eg they do not believe that jesus was crucified. Allah(writers of the koran) told them that they should not believe in the death and resurection of jesus which is the main message of christainity.

the bible it claims to have sent is not your 66 books or what ever bible you hold. they believe the one you have has been corrupted.Allah(the writers of the koran) told them so

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r u serious?oya gist us,why did u leave it for christianity?

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not true by convertion athiesim is go figure.

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what those all these date mean? i want to know why islam is wrong and christianity right simple. i want to know why jehova is better than Allah

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higher birth rate

marriage at early age as young as 6 and 9

polygamy

illiteracy

lack of birth control

lack of other activities besides sex

poverty

The same reasons poorer countries have higher populations duhhh!!

The same reason poorer families have more kids

nothing else to do but give Iyawo belle annually

By conversion Christianity still remains the fastest growing faith.

Christianity is by conviction and not as a birthright

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Like i said Your closed mind

will not allow you to see right

so nothing i say will mean a thing to you.

i will only Pray that the Holy Spirit touches you

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same thing will be said by muslims to you, most will say that you never really understood the religion. there are 1.5 billion of them so what difference does it make that you left the religion. you said jesus is the only truth and i asked truth to where and what? people are interchanging their religions the world over that doesnt mean anything as far as i am concerned.

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@Queenisha, Na God o.

@Mazaje,

pastor? so?

because he was confused dosnt mean i am or should be

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i know a pastor that became a muslim and is professing that there is no god but Allah. why is he wrong? i have friends that left christainity became moslems too and the moslems around them all chanted Allah is great, i want to know why they were wrong in making their decisions. besides islam is the fastest growing religion is the world, why is that so? what has your being a christain have to do with jesus as the only truth. truth to what?

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Oh Gamine,you too were a Muslim?

Jesus is indeed Lord

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I was born into a MUSLIM HOME.

i have my MUSLIM NAME!

There is only one Truth and that is JESUS.

go figure, when you have closed your mind to certain things how would you learn

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i do know if you keep up with this beliefs and attitude

YOU WILL [b]DEFINITELY [/b]GO DIA

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Ah, so you know who goes to hell and who goes to heaven?

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When im sure you are destined for HELL

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How do you know you are on god's side?

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what is heaven and where is it located? which of the heavens, islamic paradise or the christain heavens?

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Because the Bible says so

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A piece of stone could never have created the heavens if thats what you mean and the earth

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