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How Come Other Pastor In Christ Embassy Dont Work Mirracles Except Chris ?

I know i will be massively attacked of this thread. But why is it that other pastors of Christ embassy are not into this miracle thing except Pastor Chris? I have been worshiping in Christ embassy in one of the branches in Holland, it suddenly done on me that these other sub pastors of the church do not talk much on those things like healing the sick, the usuall wheel chair thing ( we have two of them in our branch) one in the choir even. But i know they are very good in fund raising and the show thing, but why are they avoiding the usuall miracle thing they are known for ? or is it maybe they do not have enough human resources to stage play the miracles? ( one thing i know is that such drama will never be successfully in Holland except if it is genuine one from God Himself and not the one manufactured by men)

Can you guys around Europe confirm this or is it different with you guys out there?

Attack and contribution is highly welcome.

Signed by: Ganja Seed

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Meaning this (Church Christ Embassy) is no place for spiritual salvation or comfort he went into a place where they will only pour spiritual petrol over you? Instead of spiritual water which is living waters of Jesus Christ? They don’t have any answers to the problems they just numb the symptoms but do not cure the ills

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Father Forgive Them (FFT)

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^^ These people make me laugh. Losing a portion of a million is biting him and making him come to the public to cry for help on how to recover what he paid for adultery yet he thinks he's at the top?

If such a one has the opportunity of a high 8 figure income or a 7 figure dollar income annually, what would he do? Start eating people? Challenge God to arm-wrestling?

As you said, Aletheia, it goes to show what caliber of people enjoy CE and MOG gymnastics

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^^^ Scriptural references where one might study to understand this "kingdom knowledge" you've so graciously shared, please!

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One dangerous thing about accusing God's people is that you may hear about the offence and start your accusations but you wouldn't be informed when he / she has been forgiven. The result is that your accusing finger turns and begins to point back at you but you don't know. Meaning that that anger of God for that offence turns against you but like I said, you are not informed and you continue to run your mouth until you are destroyed.

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For your information am not a member of CEC and am not holding brief for Pastor Chris, but it is very very unacceptable when people like you who have done absolutely nutin to help anybody in this life would come in the guise of facelessness to throw tantrums at great men and women who are giving hope to millions of people in this generation of ours. Guys like you are so many in this forum that i cant help not reacting to your foolish comments. As for the issue about having an affair i mentioned the constitution because God and my wife has already forgiven me. So if its a crime punishable by the constitution tell me so that i can face the penalty. So that maybe tomorrow when you start hearing of Shinaidowu being the president of Nigeria you wont bring up the issue of my having an affair.

Guys like you would always be at the bottom critising guys like us at thhe top.

Mean while as regarding the slap, i want to change it to a kick on your throat, those kind of kick you see on chinese film, haaaaaaaaaaaaayaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

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Hypocrite. Is that therefore a license to sin? Does a repentant person go around saying this:

Y'all better repent and quit worshiping men.

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@ Shinaidowu

Dont bother explaining the truth to this accusers of brethren- you are better of sweeping leaves on a windy day. Who is he that condemns? who is he that accuses the heirs?

This lot dont have the fear of God in them. They may come out as high falutin scripture talkers but test their spirit and you would see they are indeed enemies of the cross.

They know nothing of the new creation, rights in christ, righteousness, salvation etc. so they make a light specimen of it;making a mockery of it. They are ill mannered, vituperative and judgemental. But they have no power, their end was written from the beginning. God has forgiven you, he writes nothing against you, there is therefore no condemnation to you-for you are in christ Jesus.

The truth has already been told, the revelations have been given, we are only watching them unfold. For when God wants to deal with unruly personalities he makes them collide with us. Bless you.

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^^^You can cavil as much as you wish. Whether you called it quits or not, the facts are that you are an adulterer who held his marriage vows in contempt. Go and ask your wife for forgiveness.

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@ aletheia

Its really a pity how shallow minded you are, you enbolded the part about my dating her but you did not continue to where i said we called it quits. Since when is it a crime punishable by our constitution if one is having an affair. Since you are so holy thats why you are like a deranged man running rampage all over this forun casting aspersion on people's personality, people who are so busy affecting the lifes of millions of people. Continue and see what comes out of your campaign of PHD.

meanwhile take anoda slap

gbagbagbagbagbagbagbagbagbosa

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Am hearing this for the first time

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@uche13

Can you explain to us what 'offer 7' means in Christ Embassy church?

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@ enigma and aletheia

Nuclear boy said u guys r patient but in actual fact u guys r really jobless.Dont u guys have better tins to do with ur time than spent all your life running after Pastor Chris.Its idleness like this that started all this kidnapping in the eastern part of the country o. if u are really educated like you claimed, please try directing those education of yours on issues that can better the lives of nairalanders cos a beautiful mind is a terrible thing to waste.

As for the slap agbaje said take this double one GBAGBAGBAGBAGBOGBOSA.

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Naah, I don't think he has enough 'integrity' or 'cleverness' to go for even that! My suspicion is that it is one of those "PhDs" you can buy for about $300 or so based on your "life experience". Don't be surprised to see Joagbaje parading a "PhD" soon when he is able to raise enough money to buy one.

@Joagbaje

Here, go and get your own "PhD" too!

http://www.lorenzuniversity.com/lp/adjectives/buy.asp?source=GoogleL-US&kw=Buy%20phd&amd=1&seg=1&cagn=13&kmt=broad&gclid=CJfz5-jb_KICFeF95QodBihkjQ

http://www.universaldegrees.com/universaldegrees/offer3.asp?source=Google-US&kw=Buy%20phd&amd=1&seg=1&cagn=29&kmt=broad&gclid=CN-wmfja_KICFcl25QodoGuajg

EDIT pasiitor Joagbaje, I hope you realise how easy it is: No admission, No studies, No exams! What are you waiting for? Note that you can get yout your "PhD" in just 15 (yes, FIFTEEN) days!

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No joke man, the guy is a professor

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^^^You adulterer! Why don't you crawl back under the rock you 've been hiding under. Now we see the kind of fruit of people that are comfortable with CE.

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Well, as was said of him the fraudulent wolf in sheep clothing that is Joagbaje has so far been unable to redeem his own integrity.

However, even as it is most desirable for a sinner to turn away from his sin, again here is one more chance for pasiiiitor Joagbaje to redeem himself:

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^^^ and not for all the positions/spaces in Heaven. You are conversing with a decayed depraved deranged corpse.

@Enigma & Aletheia:

You guys are patient. I offer respect!

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^^^He's not going to answer that. Not for all the "tithes" in CE.

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Oh my, are these arguments still on? please lets lay it to rest cos its taking us no where but we have rather generated to name calling. pls lets respect each other in love.

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Jesus said "i came from heaven" religous folks said "his parents live in Nazareth how can he say he came from heaven" then they called him a liar and sought even the more to kill him.

They haven't changed much today, but we know their end!

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May God forgive your dirty heart. I'm a DuncE. Phd is fake. What is your proof. If I prove to you it's genuine won't you call it worldly? The degree was important for umbelievers like you. Are you aware pastor Chris produced a bible? And fir such bible to be authorized internationaly, one must meet some requirement? I'm a Dunce? . And other materials will be produced soon . Commentaries etc. I'm a Dunce?

Intact you deserve a slap!

GBOGA! Take that for your face!

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1. You are a weasel --- in that you probably know that Oyakhilome's "PhD" is fake and you are just looking for ways to avoid facing/answering the question.

OR

2. You are an ignoramus; and you do not know what a genuine PhD is; you do not know that a PhD is a matter of very public record; for instance, in some countries a PhD candidate must not only submit his thesis to his university/institution but also to the national library of the country cocerned for public record.

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3. If you do not know who Isaiah 53 is referring to from the Christian perspective, you are a dunce.

Here is one more chance to redeem yourself:

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@ enigma ,

Well concerning pastor chris phd . I'm not in the right place to disclose such personal information.

But what has that got to do with my question. Your secretary was busy defending and covering up for you. what an escape, I never knew you to be a coward o.

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I have no problem to answer your question; firstly, I've been out all day.  More importantly, you will have to answer my own question that you have studiously ignored so far. Here it is one more time:

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^^^

@Alethia:

Obvious the lying fake is trying to use white space to mask his inadequacies. This is a tactic he used when he asked me to go get SirJohn and yourself to answer another question. Back and forth pedantics for enough time will allow him a large space far away from the issue and thus opportunity to pretend the issue is forgotten.

All the claims and lies and folly show what? These are not regenerated minds or people - just hungry, shallow, cheap peasants tryign to make a quick buck. Sooner or later, EFCC will pick up your father chris cos his cup is almost full and then we'll see you slink out of here.

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Altheia what is this cover up about. I know Enigma is in there. I dey wait for am! Go call am come!

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^^^Surely, you know of whom Isaiah 53:2 is talking about, so why the hide-and-seek games?

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Don't tell me Altheia is Enigma. Enigma ought to explain himself . Pls Mr Enigma I'm waiting.

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^^^

[3] He was despised and rejected by men;

a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief;

and as one from whom men hide their faces

he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

[4] Surely he has borne our griefs

and carried our sorrows;

yet we esteemed him stricken,

smitten by God, and afflicted.

[5] But he was wounded for our transgressions;

he was crushed for our iniquities;

upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,

and with his stripes we are healed.

[6] All we like sheep have gone astray;

we have turned every one to his own way;

and the LORD has laid on him

the iniquity of us all.

[7] He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,

yet he opened not his mouth;

like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,

and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,

so he opened not his mouth.

[8] By oppression and judgment he was taken away;

and as for his generation, who considered

that he was cut off out of the land of the living,

stricken for the transgression of my people?

[9] And they made his grave with the wicked

and with a rich man in his death,

although he had done no violence,

and there was no deceit in his mouth.

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@enigma

The isaiah 53 you quoted, who was it talking about? Don't do hit and run . Come and explain.

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I see Joagbaje talking about good looks ------ well what about John the Baptist?  Oh oh oh or what about this:

Isaiah 53:2

ObviouslyPerhaps the likes of Joagbaje cannot follow the person being referred to in that passage since he is said to have no beauty, majesty or anything special in His appearance. Well, some of us are happy to follow Jesus Christ whether or not He was handsome. We can obviously expect Joagabje to come and boast again that Oyakhilome is more handsome than Jesus Christ ---- afterall he has said on a number of occasions that opaks Oyaks "is doing more than Jesus"! (EDITED)

Meanwhile the Oyaks defenders are avoiding answering the question below:

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Difference between then and now sadly

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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!

Depravity had a friend and envy was his name o!

We spend billions in reaching the unsaved because we received a divine mandate from God almighty "to take my divine presence to the nations of the world and demonstrate the character of my spirit" your Pristine door-to-door evangelism will do not do enough in this dispensation. little wonder nobody knows you save the Religion forum in nairaland where you parade yourself a local champ/strigent anti CEC. you are the one who's being ignored becuase everyday we increase in demonstration of power and in the amount of souls won via the meetings God's sprit ochestrates for us to fully display his goodness to a suffering and depleting world.

We organise programs to win the unsaved- in july(precisely 18th) we have one for the teens, in August we would be in Canada, next stop United Kingdom and then ofcourse the United States- perpetually increasing our sphere of contact and influence. Keep deluding yourself in a wanton show of opprobium and outright mischief claiming we're ignored. Google Christ's Embassy and see how many hits are indicated. in January 1st 2010 almost all Nigerian stations broadcast us to the world letting them know the mnd of Gods spirit concerning the coming year. i have many RCC friends that say ''this is my year of the greater light'' evidently discrediting your libel of our gospel as man-centred. Its tiring to mention belaboringly that we are more than a church- we are a message to the world, a panacea, an answer to the cry of many.

God said it, I said it and you can take it to the bank. "The most dangerous place to be is a place where God was" When satan doesnt criticize your gospel that is when you should be scared and not at your accomplices purported show of patience. Jesus said ''woe unto you if all men speak well of you for so shall they treat the false prophets" i completely second to DONNIE; we are constantly depopulating the kingdom of the devil doing and teaching as Master Jesus thats why he(the devil) would exercise no respite until he sees us down, decimated and dusty ''too little too late'' the greater one lives in us, you can either join us and lift the gospel of Jesus or you can stay on the side and admire us masking it with your lies and deep-seated envy(i dear say).

we make a big fuss about our local assembly because we believe so strongly in the holyspirit and his ministry in our lives- we are ready to contend violently in love for what we believe: the faith we prophece, dont hate what you dont understand. We have never claimed superioty over any other member of the body of christ for we believe that all who are baptised into Christ are one spirit, but we do not subscribe to lesser light exegesis of the word of GOD ,for this and the coat of many colors that God gave to us are the reasons that we have accrued alot of envy from self stlyed "MAHADUMS AND REPERTOIRES OF BIBLE KNOWLEDGE" we are not and can never be detterd when God says ''go on my son, you can rest assured that the battle has been won. I'm full of cheer the word does work!!!

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uche13,

If all your church members reason like you, then the problem they are having with others would have been reduced. When i say that what we see is chris embassy rather than christ embassy, some of your church members think i am abusing them. Until your church lives up to that name Christ embassy, they will continue to receive bash from people. For now they are Chris embassy and it shouldnt be so at all.

Joagbaje,

you call people anti Jesus and anti Holy Ghost because they are telling you the bitter truth? I pity you. What do you know about the holy ghost? You think speaking in tongues is memorizing one unfounded language and speaking it? Now lets take a look at acts of the apostles where they received the Holy Ghost.

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2.And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3.And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5.And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6.Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7.And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8.And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9.Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10.Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11.Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

When you look at what happened here, you will discorver that when they receieved the Holy Ghost, they spoke in other people's language which made the people who came around to ask this question in verse seven- 7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Today the kind of tongue we see most of you people speak is a self manufatured speaking in tongue and not that of the Holy Ghost as received by the apostles. I can humbly testify that I experienced the HolyGhost the way of the Apostles. Thats the way i received the Holy Ghost and even now, each time I go deep in prayer, i find myself speaking in tongues and when i try to revert to the language i am praying with I find it not possible. sometimes what i speak sound as yoruba to me(am not Yoruba and doesnt understand the language too) and sometimes it sounds like one niger delta language. But as soon as i finish praying i cant even remember what i spoke again. In my church that is the way we receive the Holy Ghost. And for you to do that, it takes going deeper in prayer and consecration before you get to that point. We always have that experience where you see a yoruba man speaking an hausa or ijaw or igbo language etc that he or she doesnt even know how to speak ordinarily. In our national conventions people from various tribes marvels when they notice someone who has received the Holy Ghost praying in their own mother tongue.

You dont just memorize one thing from your pastor and start speaking it or you just open your mouth and speak any thrash that flashed your memory and you call it Holy ghost tongues. you people should be careful.

you dont just rush into prayer anyhow and start speaking in tongues. You have to commune very well with God before you do that.

If you doubt what am saying, humble yourself before God and tell him to let you have this experience, I tell you if you do so sincerely, the Holy Ghost will come upon you in this manner and you will testify. The problem remains weather you will be humble enough to do this since you people are claiming so many things (which of course you are not). God help you.

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why don't you try and preach with hair unkept , mouth unbrushed , clothes unwashed . And see how many will listen.

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@joagbajie

I never referred to you in person but im beginning to wonder at your line of argument and that of donnie. You said you need to defend the truth and i must ask you who sent you to. God never gave anyone the assignment to advocate on His behalf but as christians we should shun unnecessary arguments. If you have a point to make you can do that in love and i assure you that the other party would always know when you are just trying to inform rather than score points at all cost. I hope you know that you canwin an argument beautifully but that doesnt mean you have won the soul of that person which is paramount. Lets shun all this superfluity of knowledge but rather let God do what He knows how to do best. You dont have to come here and state how ignorant of the gospel many nairalanders are. How about staying in the confines of your room and praying for them to receive Christ. I implore you to ask yourself how many people you have beeen able to convince through all the pages of argument. The answer is none but you have rather helped convince them further against your belief. When i was in the university, whenever i go for evangelism or in general, i try to avoid talking about church. I preach CHRIST and let people be the judge of my belief. My brother, i must tell you that many people were amazed that i am a christ-embassy member of about nine years. All i hear is how you have them change their attitude towards the church and i dare let you know that i have had any people come to church in that process(im not trying to sing my praise) because evangelism is primarily the work of the Holy-Spirit and we are His vessels. So please out with the US V. THEM mentality cos we are one in Christ and not in a debate competition. God bless you

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Did you mean 'packaging'? yeah that what the whole CEC thing is all about 'packaging' or 'Make believe' in other words

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@Donnie,

Thanks o. I would never have believed that there is so much ignorance arround untill I visited NL.

I am praying For outpouring of God's revelation upon many posters here.

@Altheia,

If you think you can have the pleasure of making me angry, You are making a big fat mistake. I have enough room in my heart for all the anti church, anti holyghost and accusers of the brethren. To love you and pray for you.

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@Joagbaje,

Your defense of the Gospel of Jesus has been most outstanding on nairaland, I must commend you.

Don't mind the critics, it is their job. . .

If CEC was a defeated and uninfluential church they would have felt good with themselves. But here we are, claiming more territory, defeating Satan and his opposition on every count . . . how will they be happy with you.

When you say, we are poor sinners saved by grace, trying to be holy, they say 'True!' and they're okay with ya.

But when you say, I am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, sin shall not have dominion over me, they say' NO! you thief!'

The reason is, they feel better when you say that you are in the same struggle and frustration with them. The moment you sanctify yourself through the Word, they become offended. The point at you and call you a liar.

They are not a new phenomenon, they have been since the days of Jesus. They will not disappear because they are necessary for our growth and development as well as our advancement.

Recently, i went to a catholic prayer mountain to pray and i was so glad to see Catholics, full of the Holy Ghost, speaking in tongues and prophesying. My soul was lifted. If I find certain doctrinal inconsistencies, my soul only reaches out to them in Love and prayerful intercession. . . and i say more Lord. . . more of your Spirit of revelation upon this place. Not hatred or angry criticism born out of envy. Every true Christian will naturally have love for others who call on the name of the Lord Jesus. But mark those who walk differently, having a contrary spirit. We only pray that they be delivered from destruction.

So small, small, my broda. . . cos I know you cant go all the way with these folks. They have no Lord, they can say all they wanna . . . but you cant. Someone has the control over your lips.

Cheer up brother. . . the word works!!

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Oh, you may be backed with signs and wonders. . .it doesn't mean you or your master's genuine. Jannes and Jambres and Simon Magus and Bar-Jesus were backed with signs and wonders deceiving and leading people astray, as do you Pastor Joagbaje with your false teaching and vaunting overweening pride. Thank God that he opposes the proud and gives grace to the humble. If it pleases God that I be the donkey he uses to rebuke you Balaam, so be it.

Why the anger and tirade? Because I told you that it is the Holy Spirit that wins souls not pastor Joagbaje? I guess your pride was hurt. Pride - the fruit you so consistently display on this forum shows what sort of spirit is in you.

For your edification, you little god who will yet die like a man: the good news is preached with words. (The words of Jesus is Spirit and Life!)

Soli Deo gloria!

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Stop these petty petty exaggerations of yours. Good looks is simply to make your appearance acceptable to men. Those who have not accepted your person cant listen to you. If they wont listen to you , they cant get saved. Your first objective in soulwinning is to get their attention. We dress because of people. Stop being hypocritical. Why would you use mouth wash before a speech why put wearing a perfume. Is it to feel good or for people.

Hygene and good/smart look are first part of evangelism aside prayers and other preparations. I doubt if talkers like you preach the gospel at all.

You that has not recieved the holyghost is the one its talking about here. We have the power of the holyghost backing our gospel with signs and wonders. " Not in words like people like you but in power" .Its so amazing that a religious fellow who hasnt recieved the holyspirit nor know him will be accusing someone who demonstrates the power of the spirit of denial of the power!.

Abeg I Tire!

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Where in the book of Acts do you find disciples coming to Christ because of the "good looks" of Peter, John, Paul etc? All the glory must be to God! But you lot don't get it. I seriously doubt if anyone who says he started going to church because of the good looks of another is saved. Where is the repentance? Where is the turning from sin and turning to Jesus?Your statement only confirms the truth of God's word. They only want teachers to suit their passions and soothe their itching ears.

2Tim 3:5. having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

2Tim 4:3, 4. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

The outward misleads.

I Samuel Chapter 16.

[6] When they came, he looked on Eliab and thought, Surely the LORD's anointed is before him.

[7] But the LORD said to Samuel, Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because [b]I have rejected him. For the LORD sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD looks on the heart.[/b]

Even Samuel (Prophet and Judge) looking on Eliab thought to himself Surely the LORD's anointed is before him. But you know what: God said I have rejected him.

Self-glorification is a virtue with you lot rather than giving all the glory to God. If those to whom you "preached" are saved: then they were won by the Holy Spirit not Joagbaje.

John 3:30. He must increase, but I must decrease.

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I hope Im not among sha.

Nobody said we are greater than Jesus , We only said we are one with him.

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@Altheia

I am not a defender of pastor Chris. I defend truth. I defend the gospel.I defend the body of Christ which i respect.My posts are not limited to CEC.

There is difference between having good looks and depending on good looks. God believes in good and beautiful parkaging .

Exodus 28:2

And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty.

God use handsome people, David, Solomon, Daniel, Shadrach,Meshach, Abedenego. Saul etc.

Even a natural King would not demand anything less, how much more GOD,

Daniel 1:3-4

And the king spake unto Ashpenaz the master of his eunuchs, that he should bring certain of the children of Israel, , [4] Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, , , and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace,

Our presentation of ourselves as his representatives only relfects our respect and honor for him and a good self image. By the way ? How much is cream? How much is your shoe and suit.? Lets leave petty matters.

I thought you are a medidcal personel. If youre a doctor , or lab scientist is it labbist or labber. Whatever. Some patients that would not listen to a nurse needs to know Your person to listen to you. Some will not believe anything until a doctor says " You will be fine" . This is a man talking to the world. He is not just a pastor of one local congregation. The title is for them. Give what is for caesar to caesar.

1 Cor. 9:20-23

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; [21] To them that are without law, as without law, that I might gain them that are without law. [22] To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. [23] And this I do for the gospel's sake,

His good looks has only helped the gospel. A terrible cultist in his school days once got saved seeing him in a crusade on campus those days. He said if a handsome man like this can be serving God, what Im I waiting for. He God saved that day. I have spoken to several also who got healed while watching him on tv. But i get suprised when i heard them say, "The first thing that attracted me was his good looks". It is Godly to look good. It is ungodly to look unkept.

Man look on the outward , God look into the heart. Give the outward to man. Give the heart to God.

Pastor Chris encourages everybody to look good. He tells us ." It doesnt have to be expensive to look good"He is not doing one man show. Most of his members stands out like him. Good balance.

Good look is not frippery.

Youre quoting the scripture out of context here. Peter was dealing with family problem here. If a man is not behaving well to his wife. If he has become backlisdden that he cant be corrected by the Word ,The wife should not try to win his affection by extravagant appearances in other to gain his attention or affection.But rather to win the affection of such distracted fellow with love and submission.

He was dealing with motive here and not the adornment. If you you apply it to ardonment, you will mess things up.

Dont forget his purpose. Read from the beggining.

1 Peter 3:1

Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation (character) of the wives; and bla bla bla[b], [/b]

So if you go ahead with your application. It would mean that women should not Plait their hair,wear jewelries ,clothes (apparel) They should go Unclad.

1 Peter 3:3

Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wear[b]ing of gold[/b], or of putting on of apparel;

So if hair do is wrong,wearing of gold is wrong and Wearing clothes also would be wrong.

Dont let us be hypocritical here. Im sure its not only bible you study. I have read some of your posts. Your knowledge of other faiths to an extent gives you advantage to know what they believe and use it to bring them to truth. If you dont care to know what i believe, how should i listen to you.

Paul in athens had to use what the people belive in to reach them. "The unknown god"

Acts 17:23

For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

I have won thousands to Christ, Muslim, Eckist, Amorc, cultists, etc.

Maybe you should read mavenbox posts on islam and see the power of insight into other faiths.

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@Altheia

I am not a defender of pastor Chris. I defend truth. I defend the gospel.I defend the body of Christ which i respect.My posts are not limited to CEC.

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hello people,

this is not an answer that should be far fetched. just check your bible and see if what is going on corresponds with the teachings found in the bible. acts 17:11.

luv,

small man.

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Hi, i have taken time to read the comments of everyone on this thread and though i have always been an ardent follower on nairaland, i was forced to comment but once. Firstly, though i am first a christian and a member of christ-embassy, i find it annoying at the manner some members of christ-embassy comment and i must confess that they are the real problem of the church by the way they narrowly respond to issues and act as if they were sent by Pastor Chris to always defend him aimlessly through blindless arguments. I am a born again child of God who is aware that i am first accountable to God and not man. I believe the bible which is God's word and any teaching i receive either from Pastor Chris or any other Pastor must be tested by the word because God doesnt speak selectively to just some peeps. From what i can see from comments, most people dont doubt the ability of God to heal in our generation and even Jesus prayed in John 14 v.12 that the works He did on earth shall we do and greater works shall we further do. This does not make us greater than Jesus and im sure Pastor Chris never said that. I used to douth the authencity of Pastor Chris before i joined the church but in my years of attending i can verily well say that the what we see from the outside is not the true state of things, no thanks to some bad examples. But the fact is that the truth is preached, you get to know ur rights in Christ and how to exercise it and i make bold to say that we are taught that you dont need to go to your pastor for prayers because the word makes us understand that we all have the Spirit of God in us and can learn to grow our faith accordingly.This

means that every christian can pray for themselves and others.Working of miracles is not an exclusive right of some christians but its just that healing is among the gifts of the Spirit listed in 1st cor12 and therefore it maybe evident in some more than others so the fact that the Holland Pastor doesnt work miracles dosent mean he was ordered not to. In fact thats the purpose of the Monthly night of bliss in churches so that chapter Pastors may learn to grow their faith. i have seen and experienced miracles in the church and as a proof, i have an aunt who had glaucoma and never believed in christ embassy get healed in the healing school She was among my family members that criticised us but she knows better now. I have been blessed by the ministry immensely

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^^^^^^ Nonsensical Epistle

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@Joagbaje:

So here is the logic which you so obviously missed in your self-arrogated though by no means obligatory role as the defender of Pastor Chris: If Pastor Chris belongs as alleged to the set of people who refuse to depend on their degrees, looks, abilities or charisma (see Hebrews 11:36-38, for examples), why then is it obvious that he spends an inordinate and disproportionate amount of resources on his looks? Why go about spotting a worldly title PH.D

When they came, he looked on Eliab and thought, Surely the LORD's anointed is before him.

But the LORD said to Samuel, Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the LORD sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD looks on the heart.

which buttresses the point that given that men are easily carried away by what they see, then the man of God ought not to let his personal appearance, one way or the other detract from the gospel. Consider what is written about He whose example we are to follow:

"Now the betrayer had given them a sign, saying, The one I will kiss is the man; seize him." Jesus did not stand out from his followers, hence the necessity of an identifying sign.

I Peter 3:3, 4. Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair, the wearing of gold, or the putting on of clothing—but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.

Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

1 Cor 2:1, 2. And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

You should have stuck with these instead of adding your PH.Ds and other books or learning to the gospel of Jesus.

As for your allegation that "Your pastor acquires titles because of people like me who require outward titles for approval." Have you so quickly forgotten how people like me have rebuked you for cleaving to titles like "Papa etc" that are so plainly against the direct words of Jesus.

In any case it is written:

KJV: Luke 16:15. And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

ESV: Luke 16:15. And he said to them, You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

God bless you.

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