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How Did They Know?

People believe that the bible was written by "eye witness" who were with Jesus, saw and heard all that he did, why then are some of the stories written in the second or third person? Ok now let's take a look at the above passage, It clearly says that all of Jesus disciples were sleeping when he went away and prayed, how did they know what he said when it is very clear that he never told them because after the said incident he was taken away and crucified, how did the "eye witness" writer of this passage know what had transpired when it was written that they were sleeping? how did he("eye witness" writer) know when he was supposed to be among all the disciples that were sleeping?

By the way who was Jesus praying to? I brought this up because 4him on another thread said that since Jesus is God he does not need to dance and sing praises to himself because he is God.

Since Jesus Christ is God to whom was he praying and crying to? or why was Jesus praying and crying to himself?

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All scriptures are inspired by God. You can ask whatever you like is good. That does not change anything.

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Where in the bible did they "writers" ever claim authorship of any of the gospel writing? Even paul' letters who Christian scholars agree to be the oldest Christian writings have claim of ownership, paul readily admits that he wrote some of those letters, and you don't see him reporting in the second or third person accounts of events he witnessed.

Historical works at that time typically had a table of contents,the authors of the works identified themselves, and they were written in a formal style.we can begin with the wars of the Jews, by josephus. if you look at it you will see that he clearly identifies himself as the author.

This is the preface to josephus' account of the war between the Jews and the Romans that lasted from 66 to 70 CE, resulting in the destruction of judea.this was also written at pretty much the same time that the gospel of mark was probably written.

we can also look at the works of Tacitus, which were written shortly after the gospel of mark was probably written

As you can see writers at that time claim ownership of their works if they are truly theirs(paul in the bible did the same). no where in the gospels did the writers ever claim any authorship. the origin of the gospels and the writers have always been unknown. at no point has anyone really known who wrote any of the gospels, when they were written, or even where they were written.according to the apostolistic tradition a gospel could only be considered "authentic" if it had a direct lineage to an apostle, thus the names assigned to each of the Gospels were given in order to help establish their authenticity.

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Why do you keep insisting that the gospels are not eye witness accounts or that the gospels were not written by the writers the bible says? you are very fond repeating this lie over and over again.

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@toneyb

You could very well ask that how did they know who gave birth to Jesus,were they there?

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For those that keep insisting that the gospels are eye witness accounts,how are the writers the gospels of matthew and luke supposed to have gotten the details of their stories? who witnessed these events? was the author of matthew riding along with the magi? was he at Herod's palace listening in on his conversations? like they poster said how did they know? why are the stories written in the 2nd or 3rd person?

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@Horus

The writers of the Bible range from Moses to John.What they wrote is God's Word.I don't think its simpler than that

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Why does the Bible speak from the third person singular instead of the first person singular? .This is as if someone is recording events of what God is saying. (For example Genesis 1:3 says) "and God said, let there be light, ," so it can not be God writing the Bible. The question here is "who is doing the recording?"

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I am glad that you have discovered the wisdom in ignoring the guy and to pray for the likes of him that are confused, frustrated and bewildered by the devil's lies, I join you in praying for God's mercy that endures till our latest breath.

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@Janssen,

I must commend you for the good work of faith that your are doing here, especially for the website that you suggested. Apart from answering what seems to be apparent contradictions in the Bible, it went further to throw more light on the Septuagint, Textus Receptus and the history of the Bible. May the Lord give you more grace and wisdom as you continue to plunder hell and populate heaven in Jesus' name.

http://www.workmenforchrist.org/Bible/BC_Jesus_Nets.html

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You can say that again.

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@bindex,

I have read your piece. I wonder who you are trying to covince of all the balderdash you have been writing? you can write from now till infinity, but believe me, God is real and I pray he shows mercy on ian gnoramus like you.

you are just wasting your time!

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bro bindex

iam so happy that the Bible was twisted for people like you not to fanthom so u wont lift up your voice and say we knew it>>>>>>>>>>

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@ Janssen

Bros Janssen you shouldn't have used your precious time to reply Bindex and other Deedats like him. I have read Quran cover-to- cover and there are things that are still hidden from shallow-minded people like Bindex. Bindex with all due respect quote a verse from the Quran where it says muslims should love Christians, Jews and other faith as Brothers.

Firstly, l want to really know if you think God/Allah or what ever you seems to be worshping exist? Then l'll be able to you other questions.

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@ Bindex

Bros u seems to hanging in the "middle of the road". When the spirit of deception sets one ablaze, different thoughts can run through your mind bro. You sound extremely faithless and it seems you're yet to exhaust your thoughts about the topic you just raised. You think Bible is James Hardley Chase Series or what? Well at the peak of your thoughts, faith would set in and you'll begin to have better understanding of God and Bible.

There are "better" or naughty questions you could ask too bro such as:

1) How sure are we that God exist?

2) Why did God created the world in just only 7days and not 1 Mth?

3) Did God really created all the things in this world? etc

You cannot mock God Bro!!! You know how they would end abi?

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@bindex

Thank you for assuming.Its a step forward.As regards your question about contradiction,I thought I told you somewhere to at least get a good bible commentary.Since you 'read' the Bible,it might aid your understanding and help you/us to avoid this confusions to an extent.Lets see the passages.

John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

Mark 15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

In our days,we say something like 11th hour to mean lateness.Its not necessarily 11:00 sharp.It could be 1pm or 4am.Its not a lie,its simple human communication.In the times when Jesus was crucified,the people of that time did not have wrist watches or handsets.They used the sun,sundials and shadows etc.If someone said third hour,the people knew he was refering to some time around 9am-12noon.If someone said 6th hour,they knew he was refering to sometime arond 12noon to 3pm.Its a general time idea,no big deal about it except you want to make a big deal of it.If for instance,Jesus was crucified around noon,say 15minutes to 12,one could say the 6th hour,another could still say the 3rd hour.They're both telling the truth from their time estimations.Even today,we still look at our watches and make 'mistakes' as regards time,and most times,your wrist watch is not usually the same time with mine even though we work together.

John says about hte 6th hour,Marksays the 3rd hour and they crucified him.To me I don't really care if it was the 10th hour,the main point is that he was crucified.He died for me and for you and the whole world.And the purpose for His death was fulfilled.

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Mr bindex,you need to be open and forget your prejudice to understand the Word of God.In my first reply to thids thread,I told you of 2 out of many other possibilities of how the gospel writers knew what they wrote,but you're obviously not interested in 'How did they know'.The spirit of the antichrist seems to be in charge of you.God will deliver you in Jesus' name

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The gospel writers wre present.I doubt if Josephus was a christian and he was not present,

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I dont believe in the contents of the poorly written and very contradictory gospel. The dates are very important because only proves that the writers made the stories up. Why is it that non of what they wrote about Jesus is found any where else apart from the bible? Josephus wrote extensively about Herod but he neve mentioned any infanticied that was ordered by herod when Jesus was born. There was darkness and earth quake all over the land when the Romans crucified Jesus yet for over 3 hours yet no body cared to write about it, dead saints raising and walking the streets of Jerusalem still nobody cared to write anything about them. Jesus feed 5 thousand people with 5fish and 2 loafs of bread yet nobody cared to write about that exra ordinary even out side the bible. Its no lie that the first book of the gospel that was written is Mark and that was written about 40 years after all the said incidents. Just look at the gospels carefully and tell me if the writers ever knew each other or witnessed any of the things that they were writting about. Example when was Jesus crucified.

9:00 a.m. -- “It was the third hour when they crucified him.” mark (15:25)

12:00 p.m. -- Jesus was not crucified until after the sixth hour! john(19:14-15)

Eye witness wouldn't have made this mistakes would they?

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Do you believe in the contents of the gospel of Mark?Leave the dates that the gospels were written to those of us who believe the 4 gospels.They were written to complement each other,not to outdo each other or repeat or revise each other.

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Mark which is agreed to be the first gospel written about 40 or more years after the said ressurection does not have any appearing of Jesus to his disciples in the original text, even the NIV version of the bible acknowledges this fact go and check it out.Why would such a great event be missing in the original version of the first gospel ever written? All the other gosples were copied from mark with so many other additions.

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@Poster,

Thank you for gradually coming out of the dark ages to which black Africans have been enslaved, mind body and soul, also thank you for raising observations i had seen but no body else is seeing.

Please go back and analyze christ's statement and words and see whether he could have said those thinks. I mean Jesus never spoke personally with anybody in a kind of dialogue, he was always speaking generally in a kind of monologue. For example if a question is asked of christ like what is your name?, he would go on and say something like why do you people of a wasted generation want to know my name, a name is not important but the work that is to be done, it is only yhe father that can know the true name which is pleasing to him , , he would go on and on as if he is talking to an audience, without actually answering the question to the person who asked. Please go back and re-read all christ's statements and words and tell me what you think.

Please go and read the history of European countries like Poland and Germany (Bavaria), whole communities were killed and taken over because they were Pagans.

Even in Africa Christianity was forced on our forefathers and they did not stand a chance at resisting, the Benin's and the Igbos put up a feeble attempt at resisting.

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Bindex,the scriptures are not merely the words of men but hte words of God.They contain divine inspiration and illumination.They reveal to us the truth about God.There are various possibilities as to how the writers could have known those words.Firstly,it could have been revealed to them.God gives revelations to his people.e.g He could reveal information about someone that you're counselling without previous knowledge of it.Secondly,they could have been told,there's that possibility.Jesus was with them for many days after His ressurection.I don't think they were just winking at each other or giving each other thumbs up during those days.Its possible that Jesus relayed to them,the events.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Unfortunately,I'll not be suprised if you do not understand this possibilities.All the best though.

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Nobody but a fool would believe that the New Testament was written by either the disciples or by actual eye-witnesses.

The general thought (even amongst most churches) is that the Gospels were written by people who had the information handed down to them. The only exception to the rule is the work of Paul (who was not a disciple nor had he ever met Jesus).

Evangelicals would beg to differ, but since when have they been party to any sort of logic?

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R u being forced into Christainity?

Who wrote the story on Creation? Was there a 'eye witness' ?. . .

Christainity is a faith-based religion hence no one is forced into it.

We believe in what we want to believe either lies or truth. . .

Proof/Evidence is not what makes us believe, it's the work of faith. . .The former only confirms the function/purpose of the latter.

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