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How Would Jesus Deal With A Muslim & Mohammed Deal With A Christian?

If Jesus were to meet a Muslim how would He deal with the Muslim

& if Mohammed were to meet a Christian how would he deal with the Christian?

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I learnt nothing but gibberish. How can god die ? Who resurrected him ? Satan ?

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If jesus of the bible didn't die it would have been another different lie entirely

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This is funny. You people should regard judas as hero, without jesus dying there wouldn't ve been christendom instead of blaming him, kai christianity and their ways of lies

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Kudos 2 Judas Iscariot dt allowed himself 2 be used by d devil

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Kudos 2 Judas Iscariot dt allowed himself 2 be used by d devil

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Please let's look at Jesus from this angle:

God is a spirit,He sought a way by which he could reveal himself 2 man thru a fellow MAN.He's like a voice behind a curtain.Hold on there!

The voice(spirit) behind d curtain now makes himself visible by PUTTING on FLESH & coming 2 earth thru d Virgin Mary(d Angel Gabriel had 4warned Mary of a miracle pregnancy)

Now,God in flesh(Jesus) didn't try 2 shakara by talking or preaching d very day he was born,BUT,like every human,he went thru all d stages of growth until he old enough 2 manifest d GOD IN HIM.

Jesus as a man prayed dt d cup should pass over him,but almost immediately said "not what I will,but what U(God) will" Mark 14:36,he uttered dt statement in flesh but his spirit man made him strong enough 2 say "not what I will, "

Another point dt is noteworthy is in Matthew 22:42-45,if Jesus was not Godsent,why would David refer 2 him as his Lord?

Yes God had 2 take away his face from Jesus on d cross cos "He was made sin,He who knew no sin" Jesus,who was already in d spirit saw God do this & he had 2 cry out 2 God not 2 forsake him, Mind u,it wasn't Jesus God turned away from,it was d sin on him He turned away from.Jesus said "no man can get 2 d father(God) except thru me(Jesus)

The trinity?

I can only explain it ds way:take 3 lit candle sticks,hmmm,NO,let 3ppl hold 3 lit candle sticks & join d flame 2gether,d result'll still be 1 tongue of flame. D Father,Son & d Holy Spirit can be likened unto dt single flame,they're 3 spirit entities dt work 2gether as one 2 control d universe.

@Deep Sight:Kudos 2 Judas Iscariot dt allowed himself 2B used by d in order for d scriptures 2 be fulfilled.

I rest my case 4 now!

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Please let's look at Jesus from this angle:

God is a spirit,He sought a way by which he could reveal himself 2 man thru a fellow MAN.He's like a voice behind a curtain.Hold on there!

The voice(spirit) behind d curtain now makes himself visible by PUTTING on FLESH & coming 2 earth thru d Virgin Mary(d Angel Gabriel had 4warned Mary of a miracle pregnancy)

Now,God in flesh(Jesus) didn't try 2 shakara by talking or preaching d very day he was born,BUT,like every human,he went thru all d stages of growth until he old enough 2 manifest d GOD IN HIM.

Jesus as a man prayed dt d cup should pass over him,but almost immediately said "not what I will,but what U(God) will" Mark 14:36,he uttered dt statement in flesh but his spirit man made him strong enough 2 say "not what I will, "

Another point dt is noteworthy is in Matthew 22:42-45,if Jesus was not Godsent,why would David refer 2 him as his Lord?

Yes God had 2 take away his face from Jesus on d cross cos "He was made sin,He who knew no sin" Jesus,who was already in d spirit saw God do this & he had 2 cry out 2 God not 2 forsake him, Mind u,it wasn't Jesus God turned away from,it was d sin on him He turned away from.Jesus said "no man can get 2 d father(God) except thru me(Jesus)

The trinity?

I can only explain it ds way:take 3 lit candle sticks,hmmm,NO,let 3ppl hold 3 lit candle sticks & join d flame 2gether,d result'll still be 1 tongue of flame. D Father,Son & d Holy Spirit can be likened unto dt single flame,they're 3 spirit entities dt work 2gether as one 2 control d universe.

@Deep Sight:Kudos 2 Judas Iscariot dt allowed himself 2B used by d in order for d scriptures 2 be fulfilled.

I rest my case 4 now!

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surrender to what/whom?

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I will only leave christianity alond when dude like noetic and david quit as well, the Quran tells us that as long as we exist they won't surrender neither will i. So welcome aboard

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davidylan - I AM STILL WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSES.

NOETIC'S ATTEMPT WAS ENTIRELY UNSATISFACTORY.

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what laughable idiots these islamists are. In one sentence he says the bible is corrupt, full of contradictions and is not accurate . . . the very next statement he quotes that same bible to prove the islamic claim that Jesus is only a slave of "God".

May the Lord help us.

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Is watagun lama a strange linco ?

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Christianity my foot. The excuse they always present is faith. How can a corrupt bible with hundreds of contradiction be accurate. John 5:30 jesus confessed to be a slave of God. Wataguan lama

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im sure noetic is perfectly capable of defending his comments,however left to me i have always believed and i still believe that a large part of religion has to do with an individual's faith and inner convictions,what a pastor or an imam for that matter can do is to feed you with the word,the rest is left to the individual,so irrespective of what you believe that will not stop or hinder my salvation one bit.

if you go through the bible, free will plays a major part in every single law/commandment,obedience e.t.c  GOD told adam and eve not to touch a particular tree out of the garden of eden,and the devil tempted them and deceived them into eating of the fruit,for whatever reason he might have believed that in exercising their free will,they will hearken unto his word and keep away from the tree,especially when you consider their closeness,the bible said GOD strolled with adam and eve gisting as friends or families do, unless you are saying the devil is not real.well look around you and see if the devil is not perpetuating the same thing in all facets of the modern world

that free will is still part of us to this day, look at the account of job and what he went through?read that story in the bible

same as jesus himself hwile he was fasting and praying for 40 days and 40 nights his free will was tested

same as all the prophets,their free will was also tested, some failed and some suceeded

GOD was not tainted by sin,but jesus christ came to wipe away all our sins,same way as you will get wet wipe to clean off the sweat off your face,you wont use a dirty sponge you picked from the bin/gutter to wash yourself will you??you ll use something clean to wipe off dirt

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Not very impressed, noetic, will respond latter

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Can u give ONE example of ANY PROPHECY in the bible that is not of God's will? u must also establish and how and why it is not of God's will.

I believe that my response was adequate. You cannot single out a scripture to justify ur ill conceived notions.

in luke 11:5-8 Jesus Gave another parable of a sleeping friend,  . . . . . . . . does this parable suggest that God sleeps? read psalm 121:4

You cannot naively single out bible scriptures without having an understanding of inherent biblical notions. Your analysis of the vineyard is fundamentally flawed as it does not reflect the underlying purpose and message intended.

The parable is as simple as stated. prophets were sent and were killed. . . and now the son Himself is here and would also be killed.

why would Jesus state this parable if He did not know that He would be killed?

Take for instance, there is a prophecy that when Mr A travels, he would be assassinated. ,  . .  .Mr A eventually travels and Mr B assassinates him. . .what credit is there for Mr B for assassinating Mr A? is his act justifiable?

u need to define "perfection", "sin" "Forsake" and "God" before I can answer ur question. . . .  I hate to think that I am debating with another olabowale.

all of the above are silly belly-aching notions that carry no intellectual prowess.

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Please please please. Let us distill issues.

First off: I AM NOT A MUSLIM.

Let that be clear: because i was born a christian but could not continue to justify the ridiculous dogma that is preached by christianity.

You have stated that everything that happens is the will of God. In a broad philosophical context, this argument can sail through. But in specific terms it is riddled with problems.

For example: would you say that the original sin in the garden of Eden (the apple) was the will of God? He expressed great displeasure at it. It is clear that it was not the will of God. Because if it was, it would be really strange that he willed that and then proceeded to punish man for that.

For crying out loud, let's be fair - give me your own interpretation of the parable of the vineyard if you dare.

Nobody has stated that Jesus could not be tainted by sin: we said that God could not be tainted by sin.

Go ahead, if you dare, and state that God is tainted with sin.

No, Noetic in his last post showed some brevity of intellect, and i repeat my challenge for a deductive response to the issues i raised.

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@deepsight

anything prophecised is the will of GOD,be it good or bad, unless according to islamic doctrines satan is much mightier and more powerful than your own Allah.

in my own bible isaiah 45;7 says, I form the light and create darkness,

      I bring prosperity and create disaster;

      I, the LORD, do all these things

the bible continues in subsequent verses of the same isaiah 45

Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker,

      to him who is but a potsherd among the potsherds on the ground.

      Does the clay say to the potter,

      'What are you making?'

      Does your work say,

      'He has no hands'?

10 Woe to him who says to his father,

      'What have you begotten?'

      or to his mother,

      'What have you brought to birth?'

11 "This is what the LORD says—

      the Holy One of Israel, and its Maker:

      Concerning things to come,

      do you question me about my children,

      or give me orders about the work of my hands?

like noetic took the pains to highlight,if you have taken the time to read his retorts, it is written that cursed be  the individual that betrayed jesus,which judas did,so its immaterial really if judas did, or any other person unless you have something tangible you r trying to bring out from that.

1.it is possible for jesus who is perfect to be tainted by sin,if you check the exigencies of his mission on earth

2.AGAIN go and read all the numerous posts both noetic,davidlylan and others have put foward to break this down in the minutest details, its no one's fault if you have decided to ignore them.

ill use olabowale,and your muslim brother's well worn way this time,

you say the idea of christianity and its doctrines are ludicrous, i put it to you that mohammad is a total fraud,who plagiarised the bible and christian doctrines,in addittion ill ask you just one question of my own to counter your many questions

WHY IS MOHAMMAD,A SUPPOSED PIOUS AND HOLY PROPHET ENMESHED AND SURROUNDED BY SOOOO MUCH CONTROVERSIES,LIKE I ASKED OLABOWALE AND THE OTHERS WHO HAVE NOT BEING A BLE TO GIVE ME A SATISFACTORY ANSWER ,SURELY A MAN WHO WAS AN ARMED ROBBER,PAEDOPHILE,SEXUAL HEDONIST,PSYCHOTIC BE A MORAL COMPASS?

i await your prompt response thanks in advance

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@ Noetic, for some reason i credited you, and still credit you, with greater abilities and reasoning than your last post justified.

You were absolutely unable to address any of the issues.

Let's have a look.

The fact that something is prophesied does not mean it was the will of God. The prophets prophesied many terrible happenings which certainly were not willed by God. A prophecy, as you know, is a prediction of a future event. Daniel's prophecies on the future course of human empire were most omnious, and certainly those events could not be said to be the will of God. So please, bring on another argument.

Again, i notice you had absolutley nothing to say about the parable of the vineyard. It is striking in its stark rebuttable of your conception of the purpose of Jesus's death. In response you could only point to prophecy. AS I HAVE INDICATED, the fact that something is predicted does not mean it is the will of God.

Please give me your own alternate interpretation of that parable if you dare.

No matter how hard you try, you must still concede that you owe your salvation to the acts of a traitor: Judas Iscariot. Please be decent and express some gratitude to him for once!

I am really tired of the excuse that Jesus was carrying sin, and as such made the statement about God forsaking him.

   1. Is it possible really for the perfection of "God" (who you say Jesus is) to be tainted with sin?

   2. Is it possible for God to forsake God?

These ideas are so ludicruous i just can't help but be amazed that rational persons can defend them.

I will like to enquire if you are aware of the catholic conventions supervised by the Holy Roman Emperor (the Council of Nicea) which decided much of the dogma that you now tenaciously cling on to.

Noetic, a better response please.

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Lmao. Two Pretenders denying to see the light

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@gonson, thats what am telling ur hypocrite brother, he was showing us that the old testament talked of jesu brutal assasination, how can we believe him, he should quote from Quran or the Torah

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how can you show the man quotes from the quran and your own mohammedan version of moses's supposed sayings when the man believes your religion and quran is false and baseless lol

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@noetic. You didn't do justice to mr deepsight credible point. What you did was reflection meaning more details supporting deepsight point, incase you don't know. Let me talk on what flared my attention most. If i quote from the Quran that jesus didn't die and support it with moses Prophesy that no man can kill jesus will you believe it ? How can you quote from one old testament of the bibke and back up ur claim meanwhile the jews torah never never have such prophesy. The second thing is judas is suppose to be considered a hero because the christianity faith says if jesus didn't die then no christianity and thats what separate you christian from those the existed before christ. What you did was just reflection. What a slowpoke

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u have not given ANY insightful reason to support this stance. . . . .until then, this opinion will be discarded as the product of . . , .  

I have addressed this no less than 3 times on this forum.

a. was Jesus crucifixion prophesied before He was born?

b. did He fulfil all other prophecies concerning Him?

The prayer of Jesus can be examined from the point of view of teaching us how to pray, . . . . .always submit to the will of God.

you cant just pick up a bible verse and attempt to align it to ur preconceived notions. If the crucifixion of Jesus was not the will of God. . .why did Isaiah prophesy His death 600 years before His death?  

your bible knowledge is porous.

The scriptures says that cursed be the man through whom that prophecy is fulfilled, . . . . , Judas is cursed.

a. the bible says in Deuteronomy that cursed be anyone hung on a tree. Jesus was as such carrying a spiritual curse.

b. Jesus was sinless and was the last sacrifice acceptable to God. u can only understand this if u read the essence of priestly sacrifices recorded in Exodus, Leveticus, Numbers and Dueteronomy.

c. God cannot behold sin. . . . Jesus was carrying your and my sins, , . .what do u understand by sin?

There is nothing to tackle.

No one, not even the jews were promised eternal life. Jesus gave the promise of eternal life and the promise came with conditions. . . . . . . believing in Jesus and being led by His spirit.

And NO. . . . , non-christians will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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Davidylan - please do not run away. Give me a point by point response to the issues i raised above.

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Davidylan, please do not run away: i demand a point by point response to the issues i raised above.

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jesus has said in the bible that he doesnt want the death of sinners but for them to repent and be born again,also its in the bible that the lord said nop matter how religious and faithful you are,if you dont have an over flow of love then you r wasting your time, he further said love your neighbour as yourself is the greatest of the christian duty

as for what mohammed will do,he has equally said it in his quran where he enjoins his bloodthirsty followers,to behead and cut off the fingertips of all christians and jews(not my words its in their religious texts)

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Jesus taught us how to love. Jesus said love your enemies and pray for them even if they prosecute you. Mohammed said Muslims shouldn’t rest until the entire world turns to him. Mohammed instructed Muslims to cut off the hands and legs of their enemies and never to take the Jews and Christians for friend. I believe that answers your question.

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*laffing in arabic* @deepsight, it is faith they will tell u

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Davidylan - I positively deny that:

  1. Within christ's view, only christians can be saved and

  2. That Christ's death on the cross was a spiritual sacrifice capable of redeeming any sins.

Some questions for you.

If Christ's death on the cross was intended by God as a spiritual sacrifice for redeeming sins THEN WHY -

  1. - Why would christ seek to evade the death on the cross? He prayed to God, asking for the cup to pass over his head. If indeed he were God, as you guys claim, HE COULD NEVER MAKE SUCH A PRAYER, because he would know the exact reason why the sacrifice was necessary, and coming from the divine heights, he could never be so irresponsible as to request that the central purpose of his earth-life should be thwarted.

I find it absolutely inconceivable that "God" could ever have made such a prayer. Jesus could only have made that prayer if the death on the cross was not his mission.

Another staggerin fact is that you lot fail to see the assault on the pagan trinity doctrine that is contained here. In stating "Nevertheless not as i will, but as you will" within that prayer, Jesus shows clearly that his will differed from the will of the Father, which is inconceivable if they are all one Godhead.

(Please in reaction to the above try to do better than giving me the worn-out excuse that it was his human frailty that made him utter these words, because frail or not, a knowledge of his purpose on earth would have precluded him from requesting an annulment of that very purpose - especially when he is supposedly God).

These are core questions you need to reflect on, and please be objective, and don't seek to justify and explain-away clear contradictions.

2. Also, i would ask you to reflect on the parable of the vineyard. Jesus states that the owner of a vineyard left it to his tenants to tend. The tenants grew boorish and arrogant. He sent many messengers to them to warn them, but the killed each messenger. Finally, he thought to send his son, believeing that they would listen to him. The tenants said to themselves - "this is the heir, let us kill him, and the inheritance would be ours." They killed him. The parable states that the owner of the vineyard will be greatly enraged with tenants and bring his wrath upon them.

The parable is very clear. The Vineyard is the world, and the tenants are mankind. God is the owner. The messengers are the prophets, and eventually the son that came refers to Jesus. They killed the son, and this was not the will of the father, thus inciting his wrath.

Explain this away if you can - this shows that the death on the cross was not the will of God.

3. Again, if it was the will of God, then Judas should be congratulated as the saviour of all mankind, for doing the will of God and ensuring our salvation by procuring Jesus' crucifixion.

4. Again, if it was the will of God, why on earth would Jesus scream while on the cross - "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" He should have known that this was only the fulfillment of God's purpose, and the question should never have come to his lips. ESPECIALLY SINCE HE IS SAID TO BE GOD HIMSELF.

I hope you can see how dreadfully contradictory your dogma is. It borders on the absurd and absolutely indefensible.[/b]. Go ahead and try to defend it, I want a logical point by point rebuttal, please, and not insults, thanks.

The least you must concede is that you accept it because its what you grew up being taught, because you must agree that it all sounds dreadfully improbable and contradictory to adherents of other faiths.

I want answers before we tackle the other question on whether Jesus believed non-christians would be saved.

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@Davidylan: This is the exact verse from Quran.

Way. (QuranAnd (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight , Az-Zukhuruf, 43:61)

Am I missing something or it is you who have missed your own question?

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Davidylan asked a question and I supply the answer, he responded as if the answer was not indirect and adequate one to his question. I dont get it, the verse does not exist in the Quran or you dont think its enough? This will help me to give you the verse in words and see where I am wrong and you correct!?

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@Davidylan: I was going to completely ignore your statement of "more than human thinking will be needed to understand since nothing is literal" in your explanation of what the Bible really means, thinking that you did not pay attention to the fact that the Bible is written for humans, even as you claimed that the holy ghost that was the one instructing the human writer, the audience is still human until I read the below.

If I can then give you a quote from the Bible that came from the mouth of the Biblical Jesus about his coming, other than dying on the cross, then you will have no choice but to abandone the religion you have presumptiously accepted because of family tradition and or what you have been nurtured to accept, instead of the truth.

No and are you up for the challenge? Is any christian willing to sign on in this agreement if you are sure of your faith, by the reason that Davidylan gave above for why Jesus came? It will be nice to see many strong Christians take up this challeneg.

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I already did justice to that lie. Read further up the thread.

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@Davidylan: Quran 43 Verse 61 should be what you are looking for as the return nabiullah Isa bin Mariam (AS)! You could have done that by using Google. No?

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By the way why has it become so difficult for abuzola to provide us the quranic passages showing that Christ's second coming was prophesied by Allah?

Havent you found your quran yet?

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The biggest problem is that the term "messiah" has NO MEANING IN ISLAM! Messiah means "the anointed one" . . . there is NOTHING like anointing in islam.

Its one of the reasons you know the quran was plagiarised by someone who had no knowledge of those words.

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its funny but if you take a good look around you, the muslims (allegedly Allah's children) are the ones who are suffering intolerably while the jews and most christian western nations are prospering. Those same jews Allah claims to be punishing hold 22 arab nations by the throat!

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Lets not beat about the bush, the jews DO NOT and have NEVER known Allah. They recognise Jehovah as the one who the 10 commandments to them, they recognise that Moses wrote the books of the law to them . . . they knew this for over 4000 yrs BEFORE mohammad was born!

Perhaps Allah shld stop claiming the books of others.

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[Nisa 4:172] The Messiah (JESUS) does not at all hate being a bondman of Allah, and nor do the close angels; and whoever hates worshipping Him and is conceited - so very soon He will gather them all towards Him.

[Nisa 4:173] Then to those who believed and did good deeds, He will pay their wages in full and by His munificence, give them more; and to those who hated (worshipping Him) and were proud, He will inflict a painful punishment; and they will not find for themselves, other than Allah, any supporter nor any aide.

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QURAN 5;18

. And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are the children of Allâh and His loved ones." Say: "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay, you are but human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allâh belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return (of all).

GOD THANK YOU

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QURAN 5;44. Verily, We did send down the Taurat (Torah) [to Musa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah's Will, judged the Jews. And the rabbis and the priests [too judged the Jews by the Taurat (Torah) after those Prophets] for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's Book, and they were witnesses thereto. Therefore fear not men but fear Me (O christians and jews) and sell not My Verses for a miserable price. And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, such are the Kafirun (i.e. disbelievers - of a lesser degree as they do not act on Allah's Laws ).

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this makes absolutely no sense and it never ceases to amaze me how desperately muslims want to associate Christ with their religion. You're telling us Christ is the servant of Allah based exactly on what? The mere words of mohammad?

Must the devil so blind you?

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Deep sight, you are making a gross over-generalisation that comes with not deeply understanding the bible itself. It is not the liberal "come-one come-all" invitation you think it is.

This is not true, infact he did spurn the pharisees, the sadducees, the scribes and the jewish religious establishment . . . Matthew 16:6 hen Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Two good examples EXCEPT you havent bothered to look deeper.

1. The samaritan lady - The woman GENUINELY repented of her sin and chose to follow Christ . . .

2. The requirement for salvation is in John chapter 3 (the story of nicodemus) . . . except a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God no matter how much he loves his fellow man.

3. Do you understand what the "love of God" really is?

this is largely incorrect. To start with islam clearly rejects the notion that Christ died on the cross . . . this itself is the very basis for christianity and is the only reason Christ came to earth in the first place. That is a more fundamental issue than merely "elevating Jesus to God".

You must never have read the bible before.

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jesus wa jewish, mulims wernt even around yet. muslim faith started AFTER christianity

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At all events, it is very clear that Jesus would not have spurned ANYBODY of ANY NATION: He made this clear by the example of the good samaritan, and also the samritan lady at the well. . . Also when asked about the requirements for salvation he stated only two: love of God and fellow man.

Nor would Muhammad have had problems with christians because in the Quoran both Christians and Jews are called "People of the Book". His only issue with Christianity was the shocking presumption in elevating Jesus the messenger to God, which quite frankly is clearly an anomaly, given the words of Jesus himself on the matter, clearly stating himself to be a messenger of God and not God. But people tend to hero-worship, and its not the first time in history a human being would be called God by his followers. It's very hard to understand how intelligent people can buy that stuff.

So in summary, it emerges that people are just being fanatics, neither Jesus nor Mohammed would have had a problem with each other.

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Mullah Abuzola (Phed.). . . over to you

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All muslims will enter paradise, read your Qu'ran very well.

You even said so on this thread.

"http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=275272.msg3919333#msg3919333"

or doesn't that include women? Does Allah discriminate?

What I find fascinating is that all of you will have a stay in hell first.

Try and read Sura 19:71-72

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