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I'm A Free Thinker: Does That Mean I Won't Go To Heaven?

I do not belong to any religion, neither do I worship anywhere but I believe there is God.

And I try to keep his commandments, I'm not hypocritical neither am I jugdmental.

I treat everyone fairly, Christian and Muslims inclusive with respect for their beliefs.

Yet I'm being criticised for not having a religion and a place of worship.

Please I want your opinion on this thanks.

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whether christenity, Islam or any other religion

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Please which God are you alluding to?

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Sometimes I wonder some people think like this…, Religion should be banned? Did you create you? Will you honor who has created you and provided you with your needs. Consider the water you drink is it you that brings it down from the sky or God, what about the seed which you grow? Is it you that make it God or God? If he wishes, he will turn your Harvest into Chaff then you’ll be filled with wonderment shouting about that you’re deprived. He has given you all this favors without really struggling for it, and all you can say is …

Reverend I think you should really seek for forgiveness from God

By the way reverend, can you sincerely point out that evil that Religion has caused? I know that the Evil you are talking about is caused by us Human and not our religion.

We should be blamed and Go to trial not our religions

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Religion is the root of all evil and should be banned.

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Geegee I want you to look up the sky, can you detect any pillar? Now look again can you see anything holding the havens? Of course you will continue to look till your eyes go wary. DO you think God has created everything perfectly including you for you to stand up one day and say hey "i am a free thinker" . God has not created you and me and every other creatures for nothing but worship him. so how do you worship him? is obviously thorough the ordained way. remember all creatures Even the trees bow down in adoration. SO madam I don’t think you are too special to worship him.

In Essence , he has created you for no reason but to worship him and he has laid down the procedures which you'll take. Ignorance is not an excuse please,

    Free thinking won’t take you anywhere you just have to follow what God has ordained for you, The revelation (Through the scriptures).

Have it in mind that religion is an Obligation not a necessity

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"I am a free thinker, does that mean I wont go to heaven?"

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hi Analyt82

Since you were referring to me. I would like to respond. You say the heart will lead you astray. It appears you took my statement literally. By saying that she should do what she knows in her heart is right, I'm not referring to emotions. I mean that she should be led by her conscience.

Life is a journey of self-discovery and enlightenment. We may all take different routes (some longer than others) but we'll get to our destination in the end. I think the OP should be allowed to go on her journey as she pleases without judgement being passed on her. She does not have to belong to a religious group unless that is her choice.

That's just my opinion.

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My Prayer is that God himself will open your eyes to see and your heart to understand.

The fact that you are confused is a starting poing in your life. You will understand soon.

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God cannot open your eyes as God is a figment of weak peoples imaginations. Only you can open your eyes, nobody else can.

If you feel praying helps then go ahead. You might just as well talk to yourself though as at least one person will be listening.

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analyt82 what is your problem with me not being a christan? i dont need to wish you anthing cos your heart has already lead you astray.

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BLKRAVEN, God has given us free will to make a choice. There were no conditions attached to the free will. Free thinking is a choice. The OP does not have to belong to any religious group because we can all think for ourselves. She just needs to do what she knows in her heart is right.

The HEART will lead you astray.

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Backslider! The man whose name contradicts his postings. Good talk though. Hos come that screenname?

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If believing that you good works will save you is what a free thinker is or a life without Jesus then you are living in hell fire already you only need to give up the Ghost to enter into complete Damnation of your soul.

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I would advice yu to know who you want to serve but i would suggest God

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@ topic,let's face reality.

It's either you are hot or you are cold,but no lukewarm.

It's either you are serving or you are not.

You can sit on the fence.

If you do not know what you stand for,you will fall for everthing.

For it is written "choose ye this day whom you will follow"

This means you must belong to some place,somewhere or someone.

I'll advise you start your search now before it gets late.

An advice though

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@ANTI-UPPERCASE ACTIVISTS:

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE USE OF "UPPERCASE" OR THE "lowercase" ON THE KEYBOARD, REMEMBER, WHENEVER YOU BOOT THE PC, THE CAPS LOCK IS NOT ON. SO, IT'S NOT ACCIDENTAL THAT I WRITE THIS WAY.

THANKS FOR YOUR OBSERVATION ANYWAY, BUT THAT'S ME!

THEREFORE, LET'S NOT DIGRESS FROM THE MAIN ISSUE.

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: dtw_sola, that was not fair. it was awfully funny. He was just being excited thats all! Cant you read in between the line?

Iyes, take it easy next time. Some people can be very critical. A word of note: using uppercase letters in professional world is sam as shouting at somebody whil talking.

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He want to teach, but uses abusive languages.

@ dtw_sola, What is silly?.

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SORRY, I MADE A SEVERE OMMISSION! MY QUESTION 2 IS:

QUESTION 2: WHAT HAS ANYONE POSSIBLY (ACCORDING TO THE BELIEVERS) GOT TO LOSE BY NOT BELIEVING IN OUR JESUS?

ANSWER: EVERYTHING!

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FORGET ABOUT RELIGION AND AND ALL THE BLABS. WHO CARES ABOUT CHRISTIANITY, ISLAM, HINDUISM, JUDAISM E.T.C. PEOPLE ARE TAUNTING ALL OVER? THEY WERE ALL CREATED BY MAN.

YOU SEE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALL RELIGIONS AND JESUS IS THIS:

RELIGION: WAY(S) PROVIDED BY MAN TO MEET GOD. - LABOURIOUS, TASKING, EXPENSIVE, HEAVILY LADEN!

JESUS: WAY PROVIDED BY GOD TO MEET MAN. - FREE, LIGHT, GRACIOUS, UNBELIEVABLY SIMPLE (THAT'S WHY IT'S SO DIFFICULT AND CONFUSING FOR THE "WISE" I.E. THE WORLD'S EXPERTS- THE THEORISTS, THEOLOGIANS, PHYLOSOPHERS, PSYCHOLOGISTS, YET SIMPLE BUT POWERFUL UNTO SALVATION FOR THE MEEK.

GOD'S WAYS (METHODS) ARE NOT OURS, AND OUR WAYS (METHODS) ARE NOT HIS. INFACT THE TWO ARE DIRECTLY OPPOSITE EACH OTHER. EXAMPLES:

GOD: SOLUTION TO HAVING ABUNDANCE - GIVE

MAN: SOLUTION TO HAVING ABUNDANCE - SAVE

GOD: IF YOU LOVE YOUR LIFE, YOU IMPOVERISH AND LOSE IT.

MAN: IF YOU LOVE YOUR LIFE, YOU IMPROVE AND GAIN IT.

GOD: TO BE EXALTED, HUMBLE YOURSELF.

MAN: TO BE EXALTED, FLAUNT/HYPE YOURSELF.

THE LIST ABOVE IS NOT EXHAUSTIVE. BUT DOES ANYONE SEE ANY LOGIC IN THE WAYS OF GOD? DO THEY SEEM TO BE CAPABLE OF ACHIEVING THE GOALS? NO THAT'S THE POINT! THAT'S THE REASON IT'S NO LOGICAL THAT A MERE BELIEF IN JESUS WILL EARN ANYONE ENTRANCE TO HEAVEN.

IF YOU SEEK LOGIS TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING OF GOD, FORGET IT. YOU WON'T HAVE ANY. THE "WISE" OF THE WORLD ALL THROUGH HISTORY HAVE STUMBLED AT THE SAME BANANA PEEL, TRYING TO ANALYSE GOD BEFORE BELIEVING HIM. MEANWHILE, "ORDINARY PEOPLE" WALK WITH HIM DAILY!

HE SIMPLY HAS ALWAYS ACHIEVED USING THE "FOOLISH THINGS" OF THE WORLD TO CONFOUND AND CONFUSE THE "WISE" WHO COULD NEVER COMPREHEND THEM. AND IN REVERSE, MADE THE WISDOM OF THE WORLD I.E. "WISE THINGS" ABSOLUTELY FOOLISH.

QUESTION 1: WHAT HAS ANYONE POSSIBLY ( ACCORDING TO THE THEORISTS) GOT TO LOSE BY BELIEVING IN OUR JESUS?

ANSWER: NOTHING.

QUESTION 2: WHAT HAS ANYONE POSSIBLY (ACCORDING TO THE BELIEVERS) GOT TO LOSE BY BELIEVING IN OUR JESUS?

ANSWER: EVERYTHING!

IT WON'T HURT IF YOU STAY ON THE SAFER SIDE!

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Only Jesus has said catgorically and emphatically that he is the Way the Truth and the Life. John 14:6. You are free to think anything but your passport to be counted as one of god's own in the last day is Jesus Christ. You gain all and loose nothing if you subscrib to him wholely. God bless.

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Belief does not allow for reasoning. History has proved that religion has done more harm to the world than any other concept. Treat the next guy to u as u want to be treated and we will all make it out of here in one piece although as dead and non existing as we came in

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1. You cannot choose to believe. Belief is a consequence of exposure to data and conditioning. You don't have a direct control over what you believe.

2. Assuming you could choose to believe, the choice isn't really a 50/50 affair. There are literally thousands of mutually incompatible paths to different or the same god(s). The chance that a particular set of beliefs you choose is the correct one is really incredibly small if you put it in the form of a wager

3. You can take the consequences of that assumption even further: you can also conceive of a God that rewards intellectual honesty and punishes faith (i.e. belief without evidence)

4. It assumes that you have nothing to lose by belief, which doesn't even survive a cursory review. The average believer invests a significant amount of time/money/effort in his belief, resources that could be spent on far more productive activities.

5. The argument completely negates the negative psychological and social consequences of belief. History is rife with examples of people engaging in the most horrendous acts while being 'inspired' by religion. Belief also regularly acts as a sort of social sedative, making people passive and accepting of societal injustice

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GOD CANNOT BE DECEIVED OR MOCKED. WHATEVER YOU SOW YOU SHALL REAP.

WHATEVER YOUR BELIEFS OR CONVINCTIONS ARE, ONE THING IS, BE CONSISTENT. IF YOU DO NOT BELEIVE IN GOD AND HIS HEAVEN, THEN WHY WORRY ABOUT IT (HEAVEN)? YOU MAY NOT WANT TO ADMIT IT, THE ACTUAL MOTIVATION FOR THE QUESTION IS FEAR OF HELL (I.E. MISSING OUT OF HEAVEN) FORTUNATELY AND UNFORTUNATELY - DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU STAND WITH HIM - OUR HEAVENLY FATHER (GOD)

INTRINSICALLY AND LUCKILY THOUGH, BY THE MERE QUESTION, YOU HAVE THE BELIEF IN HIM (GOD) BUT ARE DENYING IT. THAT'S THE DEVIL'S TRICK. AND IT STEMS FROM SPIRITUAL PRIDE. IF ONLY YOU SHALL MERELY BOW DOWN YOUR HEART TO AND ACKNOLEDGE HIM (OTHERWISE CALLED WORSHIP) THE FEAR WILL VANISH, AND YOU SHALL SEE THE LIGHT AND BECOME ONE OF THE SONS, LITTLE BY LITTLE YOU WILL SEE HIM REVEAL HIMSELF TO AND GUIDE YOU.

FROM THERE ON, JOY OF SALVATION WILL COME YOUR WAY. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

MEANWHILE, NO-ONE CAN FORCE IT ON YOU (AS SOME PEOPLE TEND TO THINK) ONLY THAT YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO TAKE THE [b]"[/b]WAY"

HOWEVER, IF YOU CHOOSE TO INGNORE THE PROMPTINGS THE HOLY SPIRIT IS MAKING TO YOU NOW, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG IN IT. IT'S YOUR CHOICE. YOU SHOULD BE COOURAGEOUS ENOUGH, JUST LIKE TAI SOLARIN NOT TO EXPECT ANYTHING AFTER DEATH - NEITHER HEAVEN NOR HELL. BE READY FOR ANY CONSEQUENCES.

BUT MY BROTHERLY ADVICE: IT'S BETTER TO AVOID BEING UNPLEASANTLY SURPRISED.

YOU REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE:

1. IF YOU BELIEVE, AND DIE TO FIND THAT THERE'S NO HEAVEN OR HELL. "NOTHING SPOIL"

2. BUT IF YOU DIE WITHOUT BELIEVING, AND DIE ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT THERE'S A HEAVEN AND HELL, KAI COLOSAL,IRRDEEMABLE AND IRREPAIRABLE LOSS.

THINK ABOUT THAT!

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What ever your reaction is to Gee state of being is based on the orientation that you have been through and as such as build ur level of believe and conviction. U cannot in anyway force belief a concept, a notion, an idea and of course the existence of god on any mind.

Please drop ur Bible that u inherited from the Roman king after he had doctored it to what we have now, the Quoran which is the terrorist claim to cleaning out the world by killing the innocent and their own brothers, the Torah still holl very dearly the eye for an eye way of life currently going on in Isreal; THE only true thing which we have before man caught on to the concept of Religion were two things. Our unlimited and uncontrolled level of freedom. this is refered to as "FREEWILL" Nature never bothered us on where we wanted to go or do or anything we decided it was always our choice, there was no definition of our extent of independence. the second thing we got with the FREEWILL was was a tiny bit refered to as "CONCIENCE". This is the most important of the two. There is noway u will express the massive choice that it will not be guided by ur concience, its impossible. there is no concience that is dead or unknowing to the consequences of any action taken. "God" if I may use that word but i prefer "NATURE" never said not to do this or that. It still does not say anything but we know in our heart the clear difference b/t Good and evil. U dont need the Bible nor the Quoran to tell you what u are about to do is wrong. if u do the things ur coincience tells u its right you can never fail (or make even so to say). If u continue to crap pple up and think cos u got Jesus then u er not gonna be cool when nature nets it out, if there is gonna be any netting out. I do not beleive in the devil. we all face the consequence of our bad choices and blame on the concept devil. own up, do the right thing and stop rationalising. I bet Gee will make it out of here looking better than most people running all the fanatical coments. If u believe in nature and its rejuvenation u will understand that the soul has a part that is not defined by mans choice of way of worship. No matter the arguement anyone brings up ur religion will always be the best to you. Its the selfish self preservative nature aquired the first instance u breathed in air and found it was good. Stop throwing ur rhymes from ur different adopted books at pple if u are brainwash, u shuold understand that the same Freewill and Concience will still guide us till the end of time.

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U asked a str8 forward question. Here is a str8 forward answer with some reference:

John14:6 - Jesus said to him, I am the Way and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by (through) Me.

Note that the 'Father' is the one that reigns in heaven.

In summary, if you die as a free thinker, you will not make it to heaven.

Note - I am not the author of the bible. So don't get mad at a brother.

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hey friend,

how come you believe in God you do not know and obey the commandment of the God u do not know, BUT I CAN PARDON YOU A LITTLE,

as a friend, and i know you know there is God and only one God, in Heaven as a christian its simple and direct that God i know is that in heaven, christianity is in the heart friend, read the Bible and get guided,

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@nferyn

Sorry no insults intended,I was just quoting the Bible,I'm glad you checked it out though

I think you are being slightly economical with the truth here,the death of a loved one or someone known to us (at the very least,brings such thoughts ,if not anything),if you're not ready to admit this no probs,

Whats Pascal's Wager by the way? I am a Christian & my hope of heaven is further re-inforced daily in my communion with God, and also if you will, the miracles and extra-ordinary things prayer brings about in every day life. When I attend a program and the lame walk,the blind see etc this further re-inforces the Bible and that backs up my hope in eternal glory with Christ Jesus,

Humans confront their fears with denial,

Sorry I'm talking about the Christian God, Jehovah,Yahweh,El Shaddai . Belief in God is based on just that (faith),you need that. For specific evidence , pls read my comments on Pascal's wager,

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NO, but am asking dtw_sola if that is a fool.

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"THERE IS A WAY THAT SEEMETH RIGHT UNTO MAN, THE END THEREOF IS , (YOU WON'T WANT TO HEAR) , DESTRUCTION"

TRUTH IS BITTER!

GOD GAVE US FREEWILL, SO THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES FOR HIS JUDGEMENT, THERE SHALL BE NO EXCUSE. YOU SEE, THAT FREEWILL IS FOR YOU TO CHOOSE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL, BUT NOT TO REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND SERVE HIM.

REMEMBER, ADAM & EVE MISUSED THEIR FREEWILL TO DIRE CONSEQUENCES.

A YORUBA PROVERB SAYS " IGBEHIN L'ON YE OLOKU ADA" (UNDERSTANDING/REGRET ONLY COMES IRREDEEMABLY AT THE VERY LAST MOMENT FOR THE ILL-PREPARED)

AGAIN, GOOD LUCK IN WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE TO THINK.

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God or No God

Heaven or No Heaven

At the end of the day, people are entitled to their own opinions as well as beliefs which translates into faith. Whatever you chose to belief or have faith in, be it in your self, atheism, freethinking, budism, jewism, whatever, or another entity called God/Allah, at the end of the day, what is most important is to tolerate one another.

A Belief which doesn't encourage torelance should be questioned in my own candid opinion.

Peace Out!

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A fool is someone who types their posts in ALL CAPS. These type of people will also be going to hell

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@ GEEGEE'S RESPONSE:

freethinking is about u forming your own idears and opinion rather than accepting those of other people

GOOD, THAT MEANS YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE TO, AND OWE NO SUPERBEING ANY OBLIGATIONS, RIGHT?

THEN YOU SHOULD EASILY BE ABLE TO, LETS SAY;

1. CREATE YOUR OWN UNIVERSE

2. CREATE YOUR OWN BEINGS (HUMAN OR OTHERWISE, AS YOU MAY DEEM FIT, IN YOUR OWN WISEST WISDOM)

3. AND THEN, THE BEST OF ALL, CREATE YOUR OWN HEAVEN (S), IF YOU WISH; WHERE YOU'LL BE IN THE LIFE AFTER - FREELY OF COURSE.

4. AND GENERALLY THIS YOUR "FOOLS' PARADISE" (FOR THE BIBLE SAYS: A FOOL SAYS IN HIS/HER MIND THAT; THERE IS NO GOD), YOU MAY EVEN MAKE IT BETTER THAN THE ONE OUR GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE OF US WHO WILL MAKE HIS HEAVEN.

5. ABOVE ALL, YOU'LL THEN HAVE NO WORRIES AT ALL IN THIS WORLD & BEYOND!

GOOD LUCK!

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The possibility of life after death really doesn't linger anywhere in my mind, ever. I have no reason to put any faith (pun intended) in something that can only be considered a contradiction in terms. Apparently you have difficulty understanding that not all people have a need to ponder over fantasy all the time

By the way, what do you mean when you talk about the 'safe haven' of atheism?

Also, what makes you think that belief is something you can choose?

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So this argument is still going on? Na wa oh!

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My lord is good all the time.

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I think he does, that was why he want to go Hell not heaven

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PTH you have actually said it all, but i just want to add a few things of my own. first is tha do you actually believe in Life after Death? if you do what do you believe in. i however believe that has been well established that you do believ in life after death and you really want to go to heaven and therefore there are teachings on how to make it to heaven after this present world and believe me, freethinking isint one of them, what you should always ask yourself is that how did i make it to this world? if you look around you, everything you see is made by someone and made for a particular purpose therefore you were created by someone and for a PARTICULAR PURPOSE, SO WHATS THE PURPOSE, find out and you will stop been a freethinker rather a purposeful thinker.

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Politic + states + religion = war

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Very true my brother, very true

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PTH i'm really feeling your comments, you make a lot of sense you a pastor or something, lets keep hearing u

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sorry if u are going to the heaven the bible talks about u r gonna hav to do what d bible says, well unless of course if there's a free thinkers heaven. so what does the bible say simple---"if thou shalt confess with your mouth the lord Jesus believing that God has raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved" so acknowledge that jesus paid the price for you and ask him to come into your heart and get ready for heaven but ensure u live a great life(for Jesus) here b'4 going to heaven

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Jesus never named the hebrew apostles christians, infact they were named christians by those who saw them for the sole reason that the talked, walked, behaved like Christ. What a wonderful set of role models those apostles must have been.

- Read your bible from Acts to Revelations, there is NO hint of an institutionalised system of man made rules of worship called christianity. All you see are a group of believers going around spreading the gospel and strengthening themselves in the hope of eternal life in Christ Jesus.

- Catholism is not the umbrella body for christians. millions of christians do not owe any allegiance to the pope. The position of the papacy has no legitimacy in the bible whatsoever and is of no relevance here.

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What then is religion? The fact that Christianity came after the death of christ and was institutionalized by the papacy makes it a full time religion or what do u think? Jesus did not name the hebrew worship christianity, never!!!!

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its either u are in or out , u can sit on the fence ma brother, its either u are hot or cold , baba God aint down with warm folks, word!

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