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If Jesus Is Not The Son Of God, Then Who Is His Father?

this question is to all muslims who claim that Jesus is not the son of God.

Jesus was with God, when He wanted to come to the earth, He could just have appeared without any means but He came through a virgin. if Jesus is not the son of God, then tell me how mary recieved the baby Jesus and who was His father

if u cannot answer these questions the u have to accept that Jesus is the only beggotten Son of God

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@dadde, d@ means the earth had had the honour of having the Lord's leg walk over it. While this Lord was down on earth, who was the Lord up in heaven? Which other Lord did this Lord communicate with at intervals? The Lord sent the Lord to the world to die for our sins? The Lord was born. The Lord lived as man (afterall he created man in his own image Gen, 1:26). The Lord was crucified. The Lord resurrected. Couldn't the Lord take control from heaven without sending the Lord to the earth?

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Am truly not suprize @ olabs comments.wat do u xpect frm mo's followers. Mo legalizd all his sins by a ficticious revelatns. Ur opinion about jesus dnt change d fact dat He is lord. The way jesus was born didnt make Him God. He was God b4 he was born.

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u re getting it wrong. Mary was promised in marriage to Joseph they are not married yet when Joseph discoverd that mary was pregnant.Joseph wanted to end the relationship but Angels appeared to Joseph to tell him about the King of kings that is going to come forth through his fiancee and Joseph did not have her until Jesus was born. matthew 1 :16-25

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@nezan: That was not my question. Read it again and you are free to answer it, or simply ignore it.

But your query about Quran (not koran which I know that you are using to show your dislike), is very explicit about how Mary was able to get out of the jam that the "adulterous woman" found herself which the Bible explained Jesus saved her from the calamity of death by stoning.

My friend Nezan, you opened many issues by your response. But am sure with your modus operandi, so far, I believe you will divert and resort to calling names and will answer or address anything. But I could be wrong. Afreall, I am a human being.

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@Nezan,

I always want you be saved. Here is another short tip regarding the thread:

Qur'an chapter 19 is named after her. Secondly go read 3:33,4:163,6:84,7:71-73, and host of others. After you read, come back and tell me your judgment of is said there.

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And by the way, there should not be a need for father, in every case, especially if there is a symbolic essence to the "bringing about" as creation the person created! Afterall, there was no mother for Eve, unless we want to argue that Adam, a man was her mother? Then the logical question will be who was her father? Could Adam play the two roles, as a man? If the argument is yes, then it should not be surprising to know that Mary could also play the same dual roles!

But even when husband and wife plan to have a baby and have sex for that particular purpose, mostly the honeymoon sexual situation, it does not necessarily always result in pregnancy. Hence, God Almighty is the Only and Essential Determinant of when a human being is created, by any means He chooses! Jesus was a human being. He ate, slept, fatigued, deficated, etc like one. Finally he was born like one; from mother's womb through the sexual carnal ending with virgina opening, helpless he was as a baby. The usual conditions of every baby; prophetic or otherwise, ordinary!

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@Aksat: Was Joseph at all the husband of Mary at the time of conception: were they leaving under the same roof and he a legal husband? Do you think any man will allow a virgin wife to last more than a few hours before she lost the virginity?

I wouldnt allow her to last more than a few moments before the process of her being disvirgined began! I don't know about you, it will be hard to accept a Jewish man who knew about sex, who solely married a young virgin so that he can have more children will be just looking at her and not doing something to her, with her so that by the time the process is over, she will know that she is no longer avirgin!

By the way how long did she remain a virgin after the marriage before the holy ghost "came upon her" that she was over-shadowed to the point that she got pregnant? It will be hard to sell, but am listening with open mind.

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not all secrets in the word of God is revealed directly in the bible. you have to meditate upon it to get the hidden fact written in it. the Bible does not record that Jesus was born without sex cells but the Bible recorded it that the Holy spirit came upon Mary and she concieved even without having any affair with Joseph.

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What is happening here? Why am I logged in as Chidicris and why can't I see my post? Whats going on?

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Do you believe in all these things or are you saying that they happened for real? its one thing to believe but it is another thing to make a forceful statement. How did you know that jesus came without sex cells? What is your evidence for this extra ordinary claim? Is it from the bible where the writers of the gospel do not agree on the exact peroid that jesus was born?

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without the sex cells of both father and mother, a child cannot come. but Jesus came without to sex cells of the father,that is to say that the sex cells of the mother was not equally involved. but the child came! that is a miracle and that tells us that God is actually the father of Jesus and not Joseph.

Mary found favour in the eyes of God and God deposited Jesus into her and gave her Jesus the King of kings to norture.for that, she was Jesus,s mother but the fact still remains that she did not take part in the formation of Jesus in her womb.

@ Aremu gangan. mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus it is in ur Quran though u may not believe in d Bible.if u cannot belive ur Holy book then whatelse do u want to believe.she was not a virgin when she gave birth to the brother of Jesus

that is to say, Jesus is truely the son of God.

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http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-291694.0.html

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TRUCE!!!!!

I'm a Christian and I roll with just about everyone as long as you got what it takes for anyone to be proud of you. Religion means nothing to me -- the thoughts count though.

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I'aint gat no beef with you man. TRUCE

BTW would you describe yourself as a christian, muslim or an atheist?

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@Tudor,

I ain't got beef on you and I never knew you were ATHEIST! If I or anyone else had known, probably they would not have argued with you. No proof whatsoever can sway an Atheist.

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I wonder what is your problem? You've got beef with me,them spill it!

What the hell concerns me with how god created adam or how he spoke to noah- Do you think at all?

Being an atheist means I DON'T BELIEVE THE BIBLE.

use your so called ''sane'' mind and REASON.

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@Tudor

You're known for barbaric comments. You can't possibly diagnose The Holy Bible or the Hole Quran as if you're putting your whole life history in pen and paper. Maybe if you tell us, how God created Adam and Eve, how he spoke to Noah, how he spoke to Moses and how he loved David, then we can begin to consider your question to be coming from a sane mind. If you can't answer any of these, shove your question up your empty skull and stop insulting people on every thread you set your browser and cursor on.

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so in other words u are making a wild and baseless assumption.

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Do you know everyone mary met in her life?

If she had an affair with nico, it sure as hell aint gonna be written in the bible.

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did mary ever know or met nicodemus?

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I know and believe miraculous birth of Jesus but am shocked at Tudor for cooking up the question that I highlited!

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Then she must have slept with nicodemus a pharisee because of his money.

The way that nicodemus defended jesus suggests he was a little more than interested in the ''gospel". Probably he was looking out for his illegitimate son jesus.

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Joseph didnt do it! Remember that Mary was a virgin as at the time of his conception.

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How Mary got pregnant without sperm? CLONING of course. Mary supplied both set of 23 pairs of chromosome. The only problem is the question of where Mary got the Y sex chromosome to become male, since his DNA contained only two XX chromosomes from Mary.

Maybe God contributed his own Y chromosome since God has XY, since he is male. That means any cell of Jesus would reveal the actual building block of of God (DNA), if it could be found.

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@aksat, dis is where xtians gt it wrong. Jesus, without a fada bt wt a moda =son of god. Adam without a fada n a moda = ?.

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please! this does not call for abusing eachother we are here to learn.

@slimfine,tudor; u of little faith. is it not recorded in ur Bible or Quran that mary miraculously gave birth to Jesus as a virgin? at least if u don't belive the Bible u will belive the Quran.

There is a great mystry behind d birth of Jesus.that is why He was not like any other man on earth. he could have Jumped down from heaven yes! He could, but becos the scriptures has to be fufilled he has to come out from somebody.

the main point there is that Jesus only used mary as a medium to come to this world, that is why He was not brought forth by any intercourse but by the mavelous power of God. that is why you should belive that He is not the son of any man but the son of God.

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Well the desert hasn't always been so hot and hostile, Back then we had more vegetation. However when the temperature began to get extreme, plants began to die out, They all didn't die at the same time some of them could resist hence survived long enough to reproduce. The new offsprings all have the ability to resist but some are stronger than the others, the stronger ones survive longer hence likely to produce more offspring,Therfore the third generation is much stronger and more adapted than the first two generations.This cycle goes on and on and future generations get more adaptibility. This is called 'natural selection' and the principle has been applied in creating varieties like water-resistant rice that can grow in dry conditions.

Hope you satisfied. . .

Now tell me, HOW DID MARY IMPREGNATE HERSELF WITHOUT SPERM?

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@Tudor, u're perfectly beginning 2 gt d point. Pls kindly tel me, w@ gave doz plants ol doz adaptive features. Was it d condition d@ affected dem or was it dey d@ affected d condition? Pls read abt Mary very well, w@ kind of person was she from birth? I kno aren't foolish, u'l defin8ly make a sense. Expectin ur rply pls. U're becomin interesting 4d frist time!!!

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What question if i may ask. . .

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I dnt expect u to publicise ur stupidity, anyway, u're 4gvn. Back 2biz, u av a pendin question. Kindly ansa it 2educ8 us mor beta. Safe!!!

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@Tudor, u're perfectly beginning 2 gt d point. Pls kindly tel me, w@ gave doz plants ol doz adaptive features. Was it d condition d@ affected dem or was it dey d@ affected d condition? Pls read abt Mary very well, w@ kind of person was she from birth? I kno u're aren't foolish, u'l defin8ly make a sense. Expectin ur rply pls. U're becomin interesting 4d frist time!!!

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@tudor n aksat, i once askd diz questions wen i was youn, silly n foolish bt nw, mugu don wise. W@ u're goin tru is only nature, u can't cheat it. Dnt worry, u'l gt ova it wt tym.

Its nt possible 2gt pregnant without d normal intercourse ryt? Isn't d@ ur arguement? Tel me ow we av weeds(wanted or unwanted grasses) on som mountains? U kno w@ a desert is? Eva heard of som plants growin dere? Pls start by explainin d@ den u're som ways from reachin d point. I repeat, "a little knowledge is a bad thing, pls get MATURED!!!"

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Are you sick? How can a woman get pregnant without a man!

Its either joseph impregnated mary or she was cheating on the poor carpenter.

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how could u say His father was a carpenter Don't u know that Joseph did not impregnated Mary? is it not in ur Bible or Quran?

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1) you av not yet answered my question.i think u are going off topic

2)many muslims use to say that God does not have a son that Jesus is the servant and prophet of God.tell me who in the father of Jesus.what can u say about the miraculous birth of Jesus .many muslims went as far as calling themselves the slave of God.Jesus is the only son that God begot but we all can become the sons of God only if we surrender our lives to Jesus and be a brother to Him.

3) Adam was created by God but Jesus was not created. He is self existing just like God, He was at the beginning of creation ''Let Us make man in our[i][/i](God,Jesus,Holy spirit)own image (gen 1:26a).the existence of Jesus does not obey the theory of father+mother that is why He does not have a mother but only father.

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@aksat, i lov d@. A very brainstormin question it is 2 u ryt? Dnt wory, y nt start by askin urself d@ wu is d fada of d first man(Adam) his wife(Eve) n remember d story of a man in d bible whom dey knew not his origin yet nt only did e liv amomg dem, e also bcame king(quotation available on request). 2crown it ol, pyschologically n philosophically, ow sure re u d@ d man whom u kno 2b ur fada is truly ur biological fada. Somtin cld b wrong somwhere u kno?

Jesus is d only begotin son of god? W@ abt d odas in d bible claimd 2b sons of god? Abi ur god don loose count, abi doz 1s re sons bt nt begotin? Aren't ol xtian males sons of god? Pls rephrase ur argument!

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Are you a fool?

How did mary impregnate herself and you're blabbing.

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