olabs, come and state ur case.
The moment people comprehend, that Allah is NOT the God of Israel, all of the Quran's contradictions, inconsistencies, historical dislocations, theological anomalies, grammatical errors etc, become crystal clear as the product of Muhammad's own Alter Ego projected unto the persona and into the mouth of the unsuspecting Allah, the pagan rock god of the Ka'ba, and have nothing whatsoever to do with any Divine Inspirations.
In simple Geometry :
Muhammed = Allah (Rock god of Kaba ) = Quran which contain satanic verses
Muhammed is a man full of vengance, arrogant and he shows no mercy. He is full of deception, extremely wicked and a child molester. He is a paedophile, sinful, a warmonger and a coward.
Since Muhammed is equal to Allah. So Muhammed's Allah is the same. God have mercy. That is why there is no peace in Nigeria
The problem is that:
1. this tale is a plagiarism of the bible because the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" has absolutely no meaning in islam or the quran.
Sura 2:30. Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."
31. And He taught Adam the nature of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell me the nature of these if ye are right."
32. They said: "Glory to Thee, of knowledge We have none, save what Thou Hast taught us: In truth it is Thou Who art perfect in knowledge and wisdom."
33. He said: "O Adam! Tell them their natures." When he had told them, Allah said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I know what ye reveal and what ye conceal?"
34. And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.
35. We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
36. Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said: "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."
This story is completely disjointed . . . we dont know how adam was created, we dont know how Adam's wife appeared. infact, if you read this and then read Quran 7, where this same story is repeatedly (mindlessly), Allah does not ONCE mention the name of Adam's wife. How did muslims assume the name is eve? By stealing it from the bible?
Quran 7 reveals a bit more depth to this story than Surah 2 does . . . but again NOT ONCE mentions the name of the "garden" were Adam and his wife were placed. Muhsin claims it is heaven . . . Allah NEVER told him so NEITHER does the term "heaven" have any meaning in islam at all . . . it is purely a christian name.
again more mindless copying of the bible.
This is a demonstration of forgiveness from the Prophet(SAW).
The people of the makkah had tormented the Prophet in the early days of his missionary but after he won them over they expected general slaughter in view of their persecution and torture of Muslims for the past twenty years. While standing by the Ka'bah, the Prophet (s) promised clemency for the Makkans, stating: "O Quraish, what do you think that I am about to do with you?" They replied, "Good. You are a noble brother, son of a noble brother." The Prophet forgave them all saying:
"I will treat you as Prophet Yousuf (Joseph) treated his brothers. There is no reproach against you. Go to your homes, and you are all free."
The Prophet also declared
Not to talk of God Almighty, Do you think if Allah is not forgiving won't he have destroyed the world we have today where all sort of evil deeds is the norm?
"God accept the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and repent soon afterwards; to them will God turn in mercy: For God is full of knowledge and wisdom." (4:18)
Sorry; am not with my Qur'an at present, thus can't not give the chapters or the verses numbers. But I promise you that next time.
1-Allah, the Exalted, forgave prophet Muhammad, may Allah exalt his mention, along with his Companions.
2- He as well forgave Adam and Eve after the ate the tree fruit in heaven.
3- He also forgave prophet Moses after killing a fellow. Can't actually remember the history.
4- And many more.
1. u have not showed me anywhere Allah forgave anyone in the koran.
2. criminals are punished all over the world. . . but there is a fair system and NOT the inhuman amputation and beheading as found in islam.
and morover islam is a religion. . , , why cant Allah ask his followers to forgive?
3. Jesus came to fulfil the laws of God as established in the 10 commandments. . .so?
Are you OK man? Dont you read my response at all? Is forgiveness=punishment according to your statement? Allah says He is the forgiving and the Merciful repeatedly in many verses. He also encourages muslims to forgive others as well, My previous responses was based on your questions relating amputation,killing etc which are very related to punishment to criminals and not individual judgement. Read the following verses:
“The repayment of a bad action is one equivalent to it. But if someone pardons and puts things right, his reward is with Allah…”(Qr, 42:40)
“…. But if you pardon and exonerate and forgive, Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”(Qr, 64:14)
“But if someone is steadfast and forgives, that is the most resolute course to follow.” (Qr,42:43)
In addition, there are differences in offences committed, either to individual or against the govt or humanity in general. Islam takes care of every circumstances under criminal laws and in some cases forgiveness is applicable.
Also, Allah instructed prophet Muhammad as a leader thus:
"So what a great mercy it is from Allah that you (O dear Prophet Mohammed - peace and blessings be upon him), are lenient towards them; and if you had been stern and hardhearted (unsympathetic) they would have certainly been uneasy in your company; so forgive them and intercede for them and consult with them in the conduct of affairs; and when you decide upon something, rely upon Allah; indeed Allah loves those who trust (Him)". Qr3:159
That is not a response to my question. Tell me where in the world where the criminals are not being punished at all?
Start reading Quran to yourself. If I tell you will you accept Islam?
Which laws did he came to fulfilled?
Did u ever attend the four walls of ANY academic learning environment? did u ever go to a school? I doubt u did.
Cant u see the topic of discussion? its all about Allah and forgiveness. why is forgiveness a very big deal to Allah? I hate repeating myself.
Islam is a religion by which muslims are expected to subscribe to. . . , it is not the paradigm by which all humans regardless of their beliefs are to subscribe to. why does ur Allah refuse to encourage u to forgive these people?
is there any evidence of ANYONE in the koran who Allah forgave?
He definitely did not come to fulfil Allah's sharia law that knows no forgiveness.
Don't you understand english? When you define punishment, is forgiveness part of it? If somebody is not punished then he/she is forgiven. While if he/she is punished, then, the result of punishment could yeild reformation and deter others who might think of committing the same crime. Criminals are punished but not in all cases according to Islamic laws. However, there is no absolute forgiveness for all criminals, there are several situations where criminals is warn(on trial whether he would change or not) or imprisoned for a specified period. How would you think Allah is not forgiven when He said in many verses that he is capable of forgiven all sins.
I just laugh at your statement, and I belief there is no where in the world where your thought will be accepted if it is a proposal. Just read it to yourself and how applicable it is, if all criminals can move freely on the streets without being punished, then people can start committing crime as they wished since they known there is no punishment. Even, according to your bible, Jesus said he came to fulfill laws, then where do you belong? I will wait for your response on this!
did u read the title of this thread at all? whats the meaning of all these u are stating here?
why cant Allah forgive all these people? why does he choose to kill, amputate, behead and flog them?
which if these questions is too difficult for u to answer?
This thread is not about christian beliefs. But no, there is no penal code for anyone any more in christianity. it is called FORGIVENESS. He also asked us to pray for our enemies, apostates e.t.c. and not to kill them.
You only keep on extending the conversation. There has not been any meaningful response from you. The subject of your question is centered on punishment, which I explained and I asked if you have similar thing in christianity. I don't know which response you want again. If I may put you straight, you asked:
why amputation? Amputation is for thief
why killing ? A retribution for whoever killed or hardened criminal e.g armed robbers
why husband will beat his wife and not forgiven? On matrimonial relation, beating shouldn't occur except if all other methods have been tried and it shouldn't be heavy.
why contradiction? There is no contradiction
why Allah decree muslims hellfire? Allah never decree all muslims hellfire
So, now answer my questions:
Is there penal codes according to christianity? What is it essence? How should it be carried out?
Is there penal codes according to christianity? What is it essence? How should it be carried out? I believe you are aware of that of Islam, though you may not be well informed about its details. Just compare it, if it is the same, then, your questions are no question at all. If otherwise or there is none in christianity? Then, how could you judge a criminal when adage says:"when there is no laws, there is no sins".
The laws are made to guide and promote peace, and they are accompanied with accorded punishment for the violators, though in some circumstances, the criminal maybe forgiven instead. Morover, Islam hold that the purpose of punishment are three, Retribution, deterrents and reformations. Retribution in the case of "eye for an eye". Deterrents for who might intending to commits such offence in future and reformation for the case of who still living amongst the criminals, for example, the release criminal from jail, at least might have changed his/her life for better. On the case of forgiveness, undoubtedly, any environment where the huge of criminals are leaving unpunish will be flourishing in corrupt practices, this is evidenced by what is happening in our country now. In contrary to your own objection on Islam, is it not safe to lose a criminal or a criminal lose a limb in order to save many life than to put the whole community in jeopardy by allowing free movement of criminals in the society! It is up to whoever want to adhere to the truth. Just be objective and respond according to Jesus teachings.
It is like your question always turn the truth in upside down. You perceive Islam different from what muslims believe it to be. Where do you find contradictions in Allah's words? Allah promise forgiveness for everybody who turn sincerely in repentance as long as the person is still breathing. The same way he did for the first created man and forgiveness thereafter. Allah promise rewards for every deed and punishment for who does otherwise. The intercession after judgment is for those who does not associate partnership with God almighty. That is why prophet Muhammad says:"whoever believe there is no deity worthy of worship save Allah(God) will enter paradise".
Be sincere to yourself and understand Islam by start reading Quran and not just ordinary copy and paste propaganda.
Oh. . .thanks to Allah (S.W.T)! I now realize I had been under a "false impression". Why? Wallahi I thought you, noetic2, were more intelligent and perceptive than how you actually are. Lets reason something here.
Faithful Muslims are asked that they be beheaded, amputated, etc? Why are they asked so? 'Cause of no reasons, NO! But because they did something very grave, e.g. who killed should be killed; a thief (who stole goods, for instance of certain value) should be amputated; an adulterer be stoned, etc YET you are saying they should be forgiven. What a rubbish!
And secondly, he so-called CONDONE husband who beats wife? And that beating, which is cautioned to be LIGHT!
My question: Beating or perpetuating any of these actions that their doers are ordered to be killed, stoned, etc, which one deserves punishment?
Allah never decree all Muslims to hell. You, time more than count, talk of these verses and are always aptly explained to you. Please don't sound obtuse.
What is Qur'an? It's the Last and Guarded Testament of the Bible.
Man, stop beating about the bush. Open your heart and understand the truth. As I say; it's not yet over. I read some years ago an octogenarian traditional leader there in Lagos embraced Islam. I can logically guess you are younger than that.
why does Allah not forgive his faithful muslims . . . .why does he ask that they be beheaded, amputated, killed or flogged?
why did Allah decree all muslims to hell fire? why did Allah condone husbands who beat their wives and not forgive them?
why does Allah say something and does something else? why is Allah such a contradiction? why? why Allah? why?
Allah claims that the bible is corrupt. . . .what stops Allah from producing the original bible?
I have repeatedly told u to stop displaying ur raw ignorance juxtaposed with massive illiteracy. The names of a person are worthless if they do not correspond to his/her deeds. What are the instances where ur Allah showed forgiveness?
where EXACTLY is this falsified misinformation stated in ur koran?