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Is Christmas God's Event ?

i do not think   So,  this is a Pagans' Event   people more exciting  in drinking,  Adultaring,  using Drug  etc,    and since before  in very begining  with Roman Empire   this was an Event to celebrate their gods  venus, jupter, mars, Uranus and why this was transfered to be a God's Event ? but in my religion this was cancelled  a long time Ago  i never mind

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Olaadegbu

Thanks a lot. So what was Eve's reply?lol. By God's grace, Today's Rhema should be back next year. Sorry about the inconsistencies.

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Olaadegbu

Merry Christmas in arrears to you too, and have the best year of your life next year.In the name of Jesus

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Everyday no be christmas. Why not celebrate it when everybody is celebrating it. No dull yourself. Merry Christmas. Romans 14v 4- 10

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If you can't celebrate His birth at least celebrate His miraculous conception, "God with us. Emmanuel"

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what i mean is, if you want to say September say september if december, say december but do not say september aproximatly december that is to say no body knows when that jewish called son of Joseph was Born

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Jesus Christ the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world was born year zero, we have started counting from then on till now 2009 A.D.  Have you used that date lately?

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Counting back nine months from around September puts us pretty close to the end of the previous December. Perhaps our sovereign God has orchestrated events so that we would celebrate the real miracle of the conception: "God with us" (Matthew 1:23). HMM III

Goat is Goat lamb is lamb lamb is not Aproximatly Goat

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What We Celebrate at Christmas

"And he|Joseph|knew her|Mary|not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." (Matthew 1:25)

The actual birthday of Jesus was sometime in the fall (September or October), rather than in December. The date is of lesser consequence, however, than the reason for the celebration (Isaiah 1:18). Heaven itself celebrated the birth (Luke 2:8-14). And after the shepherds got over their fear, they couldn’t stop telling the news.

Then there were the wise men from the east who came to worship the one "born king of the Jews" (Matthew 2:1-2). They got there well after the birth, having put their lives on hold, and willingly gave of their time and treasures to honour this great King while they rejoiced with "exceeding great joy" (Matthew 2:10). Surely all Christians should worship and rejoice as well as open our treasuries when we celebrate Christ’s birth.

But if we just focus on the birth, we may miss the greatest reason for the commemoration. After all, there was nothing uncommon about the physical process. But the conception, now that was miraculous (Luke 1:35)! The eternal "Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14). The great Creator and Son of God, "foreordained before the foundation of the world" (1 Peter 1:20), submitted to the will of the Father and "made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men" (Philippians 2:7). That was why heaven celebrated.

Counting back nine months from around September puts us pretty close to the end of the previous December. Perhaps our sovereign God has orchestrated events so that we would celebrate the real miracle of the conception: "God with us" (Matthew 1:23). HMM III

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is it in the bible? I mean christmas

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QUOTE FROM MAMA-GEE;

Christmas Day is the day when Christains all over the world celebrate the birth of Jesus, simple!

@mama-gee,

CHRITMAS Day unknown to you is celebrated by majority of christians and pagans.

first a pagan celebration, later copied by christians.

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Do you know the months january, December had pagan origins ? are also going to do away with it?

January was derived from janus the roman god of gates , Februa is the Roman festival of purification,Mars is the Roman god of war. like wise all the other months followed similar patterns ahould we do away with these ? because of their pagan origin.

http://www.crowl.org/Lawrence/time/months.html

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Our Christian friends are often quite surprised at how enthusiastically we Pagans celebrate the 'Christmas' season. Even though we prefer to use the word 'Yule', and our celebrations may peak a few days BEFORE the 25th, we nonetheless follow many of the traditional customs of the season: decorated trees, carolling, presents, Yule logs, and mistletoe. We might even go so far as putting up a 'Nativity set', though for us the three central characters are likely to be interpreted as Mother Nature, Father Time, and the Baby Sun-God. None of this will come as a surprise to anyone who knows the true history of the holiday, of course.

In fact, if truth be known, the holiday of Christmas has always been more Pagan than Christian, with it's associations of Nordic divination, Celtic fertility rites, and Roman Mithraism. That is why both Martin Luther and John Calvin abhorred it, why the Puritans refused to acknowledge it, much less celebrate it (to them, no day of the year could be more holy than the Sabbath), and why it was even made ILLEGAL in Boston! The holiday was already too closely associated with the birth of older Pagan gods and heroes. And many of them (like Oedipus, Theseus, Hercules, Perseus, Jason, Dionysus, Apollo, Mithra, Horus and even Arthur) possessed a narrative of birth, death, and resurrection that was uncomfortably close to that of Jesus. And to make matters worse, many of them pre-dated the Christian Savior.

Ultimately, of course, the holiday is rooted deeply in the cycle of the year. It is the Winter Solstice that is being celebrated, seed-time of the year, the longest night and shortest day. It is the birthday of the new Sun King, the Son of God -- by whatever name you choose to call him. On this darkest of nights, the Goddess becomes the Great Mother and once again gives birth. And it makes perfect poetic sense that on the longest night of the winter, 'the dark night of our souls', there springs the new spark of hope, the Sacred Fire, the Light of the World, the Coel Coeth.

That is why Pagans have as much right to claim this holiday as Christians. Perhaps even more so, as the Christians were rather late in laying claim to it, and tried more than once to reject it. There had been a tradition in the West that Mary bore the child Jesus on the twenty-fifth day, but no one could seem to decide on the month. Finally, in 320 C.E., the Catholic Fathers in Rome decided to make it December, in an effort to co-opt the Mithraic celebration of the Romans and the Yule celebrations of the Celts and Saxons.

There was never much pretense that the date they finally chose was historically accurate. Shepherds just don't 'tend their flocks by night' in the high pastures in the dead of winter! But if one wishes to use the New Testament as historical evidence, this reference may point to sometime in the spring as the time of Jesus's birth. This is because the lambing season occurs in the spring and that is the only time when shepherds are likely to 'watch their flocks by night' -- to make sure the lambing goes well. Knowing this, the Eastern half of the Church continued to reject December 25, preferring a 'movable date' fixed by their astrologers according to the moon.

Thus, despite its shaky start (for over three centuries, no one knew when Jesus was supposed to have been born!), December 25 finally began to catch on. By 529, it was a civic holiday, and all work or public business (except that of cooks, bakers, or any that contributed to the delight of the holiday) was prohibited by the Emperor Justinian. In 563, the Council of Braga forbade fasting on Christmas Day, and four years later the Council of Tours proclaimed the twelve days from December 25 to Epiphany as a sacred, festive season. This last point is perhaps the hardest to impress upon the modern reader, who is lucky to get a single day off work. Christmas, in the Middle Ages, was not a SINGLE day, but rather a period of TWELVE days, from December 25 to January 6. The Twelve Days of Christmas, in fact. It is certainly lamentable that the modern world has abandoned this approach, along with the popular Twelfth Night celebrations.

Of course, the Christian version of the holiday spread to many countries no faster than Christianity itself, which means that 'Christmas' wasn't celebrated in Ireland until the late fifth century; in England, Switzerland, and Austria until the seventh; in Germany until the eighth; and in the Slavic lands until the ninth and tenth. Not that these countries lacked their own mid-winter celebrations of Yuletide. Long before the world had heard of Jesus, Pagans had been observing the season by bringing in the Yule log, wishing on it, and lighting it from the remains of last year's log. Riddles were posed and answered, magic and rituals were practiced, wild boars were sacrificed and consumed along with large quantities of liquor, corn dollies were carried from house to house while carolling, fertility rites were practiced (girls standing under a sprig of mistletoe were subject to a bit more than a kiss), and divinations were cast for the coming Spring. Many of these Pagan customs, in an appropriately watered-down form, have entered the mainstream of Christian celebration, though most celebrants do not realize (or do not mention it, if they do) their origins.

For modern Witches, Yule (from the Anglo-Saxon 'Yula', meaning 'wheel' of the year) is usually celebrated on the actual Winter Solstice, which may vary by a few days, though it usually occurs on or around December 21st. It is a Lesser Sabbat or Lower Holiday in the modern Pagan calendar, one of the four quarter-days of the year, but a very important one. This year (1988) it occurs on December 21st at 9:28 am CST. Pagan customs are still enthusiastically followed. Once, the Yule log had been the center of the celebration. It was lighted on the eve of the solstice (it should light on the first try) and must be kept burning for twelve hours, for good luck. It should be made of ash. Later, the Yule log was replaced by the Yule tree but, instead of burning it, burning candles were placed on it. In Christianity, Protestants might claim that Martin Luther invented the custom, and Catholics might grant St. Boniface the honor, but the custom can demonstrably be traced back through the Roman Saturnalia all the way to ancient Egypt. Needless to say, such a tree should be cut down rather than purchased, and should be disposed of by burning, the proper way to dispatch any sacred object.

Along with the evergreen, the holly and the ivy and the mistletoe were important plants of the season, all symbolizing fertility and everlasting life. Mistletoe was especially venerated by the Celtic Druids, who cut it with a golden sickle on the sixth night of the moon, and believed it to be an aphrodisiac. (Magically -- not medicinally! It's highly toxic!) But aphrodisiacs must have been the smallest part of the Yuletide menu in ancient times, as contemporary reports indicate that the tables fairly creaked under the strain of every type of good food. And drink! The most popular of which was the 'wassail cup' deriving its name from the Anglo-Saxon term 'waes hael' (be whole or hale).

Medieval Christmas folklore seems endless: that animals will all kneel down as the Holy Night arrives, that bees hum the '100th psalm' on Christmas Eve, that a windy Christmas will bring good luck, that a person born on Christmas Day can see the Little People, that a cricket on the hearth brings good luck, that if one opens all the doors of the house at midnight all the evil spirits will depart, that you will have one lucky month for each Christmas pudding you sample, that the tree must be taken down by Twelfth Night or bad luck is sure to follow, that 'if Christmas on a Sunday be, a windy winter we shall see', that 'hours of sun on Christmas Day, so many frosts in the month of May', that one can use the Twelve Days of Christmas to predict the weather for each of the twelve months of the coming year, and so on.

Remembering that most Christmas customs are ultimately based upon older Pagan customs, it only remains for modern Pagans to reclaim their lost traditions. In doing so, we can share many common customs with our Christian friends, albeit with a slightly different interpretation. And thus we all share in the beauty of this most magical of seasons, when the Mother Goddess once again gives birth to the baby Sun-God and sets the wheel in motion again. To conclude with a long-overdue paraphrase, 'Goddess bless us, every one!'

http://www.2think.org/hii/holiday.shtml

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Christmas, Yule and the Winter Solstice

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When: Friday, 25 December 2009 (All day)

The 25th of December is associated with the birth of Christ and the celebration of the nativity, but it is also an amalgamation of pagan festivals and traditions dating back before the birth of Christ.

To our ancestors the shortest day (21st December) marked the lowest ebb of the year, but it also marked the day when the sun was reborn, gradually growing in strength to the Midsummer Solstice. Many ancient standing stones, stone circles and other monuments are aligned with the winter sunrise on the 21st of December. The most famous being Newgrange in Ireland, where a finger of sunlight shines along the dark entrance through a narrow aperture above the monument's entrance. Other sites are correspondingly aligned to the Midsummer sunrise, highlighting the importance placed on these two dates.

Ghost of Christmas: John LeechYule was the traditional name for the celebrations around the 25th; the festival lasted for twelve days, which are now the twelve days of Christmas. The origin of the word Yule seems originate from the Anglo Saxon word for sun and light. Most likely regarding the rebirth of the sun from the shortest day. In many places fires or candles were kindled to burn through the twelve days that marked the festivities. Another fire tradition was that of the Yule log, lit from the remains of last years log at sunset on the 25th of December. The Yule log was often of Oak or Ash, and the burned remains of it were thought to guard a home against fire and lightning. The ashes were also sprinkled on the surrounding fields to ensure good luck for the coming years harvest. The largest remaining part of the log was kept safe to kindle next years fire. Fraser in his book 'The Golden Bough' suggests that Midwinter was a major fire festival in ancient times, and it is highly probable that the Yule Log was a remnant of that tradition.

Many of the symbols of Christmas echo its aspect of rebirth and hope in darkness. Holly was thought to be important because it retains its greenery right through the winter months, and as such is a symbol of summer life in the winter starkness. Holly was the male symbol of this greenery, and Ivy was the feminine, the two often placed together as a symbol of fecundity at the dark end of the year. There was also a belief that evergreen plants and trees were refuges for the woodland spirits through the winter months.

The Christmas tree may have also been a symbol of the above aspects, although Whistler in his 'English Festivals' suggests that the tree is a carry over from the Roman festival of Saturnalia, when pine trees were decorated with images of Bacchus. The tradition of setting up a Christmas tree within the home is generally traced back to Prince Albert who started the practice in 1841. Mistletoe is another plant associated with Christmas; sacred to the druids, its importance can be traced back to Celtic times, although the original reason for their significance is now largely forgotten.

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Christmas is a holiday shared and celebrated by many religions.

It is a day that has an effect on the entire world.

To many people, it is a favorite time of the year involving gift giving, parties and feasting. Christmas is a holiday that unifies almost all of professing Christendom.

The spirit of Christmas causes people to decorate their homes and churches, cut down trees and bring them into their homes, decking them with silver and gold.

In the light of that tree, families make merry and give gifts one to another.

When the sun goes down on December 24th, and darkness covers the land, families and churches prepare for participation in customs such as burning the yule log, singing around the decorated tree, kissing under the mistletoe and holly, and attending a late night service or midnight mass.

What is the meaning of Christmas? Where did the customs and traditions originate?

You, as a Christian, would want to worship the Lord in Spirit and in truth, discerning good from evil.

The truth is that all of the customs of Christmas pre-date the birth of Jesus Christ, and a study of this would reveal that

Christmas in our day is a collection of traditions and practices taken from many cultures and nations.

This was done long before the birth of Jesus.

It was noted by the pre-Christian Romans and other pagans, that daylight began to increase after December 22nd, when they assumed that the sun god died.

These ancients believed that the sun god rose from the dead three days later as the new-born and venerable sun.

Thus, they figured that to be the reason for increasing daylight.

This was a cause for much wild excitement and celebration. Gift giving and merriment filled the temples of ancient Rome, as sacred priests of Saturn, called dendrophori, carried wreaths of evergreen boughs in procession.

In Germany, the evergreen tree was used in worship and celebration of the yule god, also in observance of the resurrected sun god.

The evergreen tree was a symbol of the essence of life and was regarded as a phallic symbol in fertility worship.

Pagans regarded the red holly as a symbol of the menstrual blood of the queen of heaven, also known as Diana.

The holly wood was used by witches to make wands.

The white berries of mistletoe were believed by pagans to represent droplets of the Fluid of the sun god.

Both holly and mistletoe were hung in doorways of temples and homes to invoke powers of fertility in those who stood beneath and kissed, causing the spirits of the god and goddess to enter them.

These customs transcended the borders of Rome and Germany to the far reaches of the known world.

The question now arises: How did all of these customs find their way into contemporary Christianity, ranging from Catholicism to Protestantism to fundamentalist churches?

The word "Christmas"itself reveals who married paganism to Christianity.

The word "Christmas" is a combination of the words "Christ" and "Mass.

The word "Mass" means death and was coined originally by the Roman Catholic Church, and belongs exclusively to the church of Rome.

The ritual of the Mass involves the death of Christ, and the distribution of the "Host", a word taken from the Latin word "hostiall" meaning victim!

In short, Christmas is strictly a Roman Catholic word.

A simple study of the tactics of the Romish Church reveals that in every case, the church absorbed the customs, traditions and general paganism of every tribe, culture and nation in their efforts to increase the number of people under their control.

In short, the Romish church told all of these pagan cultures, "Bring your gods, goddesses, rituals and rites, and we will assign Christian sounding titles and names to them.

When Martin Luther started the reformation on October 31st, 1517, and other reformers followed his lead, all of them took with them the paganism that was so firmly imbedded in Rome.

These reformers left Christmas intact.

In England, as the authorized Bible became available to the common people by the decree of King James the II in 1611, people began to discover the pagan roots of Christmas, which are clearly revealed in Scripture.

The Puritans in England, and later in Massachusetts Colony, outlawed this holiday as witchcraft.

Near the end of the nineteenth century, when other Bible versions began to appear, there was a revival of the celebration of Christmas

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Yule or Yule-tide is a winter festival that was initially celebrated by the historical Germanic peoples as a pagan religious festival, though it was later absorbed into, and equated with, the Christian festival of Christmas. The festival was originally celebrated from late December to early January on a date determined by the lunar Germanic calendar. The festival was placed on December 25 when the Christian calendar (Julian calendar) was adopted.

Terms with an etymological equivalent to "Yule" are still used in the Nordic Countries for the Christian Christmas, but also for other religious holidays of the season. In modern times this has gradually led to a more secular tradition under the same name as Christmas. Yule is also used to a lesser extent in English-speaking countries to refer to Christmas. Customs such as the Yule log, Yule goat, Yule boar, Yule singing, and others stem from Yule. In modern times, Yule is observed as a cultural festival and also with religious rites by some Christians and by some Neopagans.

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copied from; www.About.com

guess who’s here:

Dionysus or Bacchus is thought of as being Greek, but he is a remake of the Egyptian god

Osiris, whose cult extended throughout a large part of the ancient world for thousands of

years. Dionysuss religion was well-developed in Thrace, northeast of Greece, and Phrygia,

which became Galatia, where Attis also later reigned. Although a Dionysus is best

remembered for the rowdy celebrations in his name, which was Latinized as Bacchus, he had

many other functions and contributed several aspects to the Jesus character:

–Dionysus was born of a virgin on December 25 and, as the Holy Child, was placed in a

manger.

–He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.

–He rode in a triumphal procession on an ***.

–He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and

purification.

–Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25.

–He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.

–He was called King of Kings and God of Gods.

–He was considered the Only Begotten Son, Savior, Redeemer, Sin Bearer, Anointed One, and

the Alpha and Omega.

–He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.

–His sacrificial title of Dendrites or Young Man of the Tree intimates he was hung on a

tree or crucified.

In the Egyptian myth, Horus and his once-and-future Father, Osiris, are frequently

interchangeable, as in I and my Father are one. Concerning Osiris, Walker says:

Of all savior-gods worshiped at the beginning of the Christian era, Osiris may have

contributed more details to the evolving Christ figure than any other. Already very old in

Egypt, Osiris was identified with nearly every other Egyptian god and was on the way to

absorbing them all. He had well over 200 divine names. He was called the Lord of Lords,

King of Kings, God of Gods.

He was the Resurrection and the Life, the Good Shepherd, Eternity and Everlastingness, the

god who made men and women to be born again. Budge says, From first to last, Osiris was to

the Egyptians the god-man who suffered, an died, and rose again, and reigned eternally in

heaven.

They believed that they would inherit eternal life, just as he had done . . .

Osiriss coming was announced by Three Wise Men: the three stars Mintaka, Anilam, and

Alnitak in the belt of Orion, which point directly to Osiriss star in the east, Sirius

(Sothis), significator of his birth . . .

Certainly Osiris was a prototypical Messiah, as well as a devoured Host. His flesh was

eaten in the form of communion cakes of wheat, the plant of Truth. . . . The cult of

Osiris contributed a number of ideas and phrases to the Bible. The 23rd Psalm copied an

Egyptian text appealing to Osiris the Good Shepherd to lead the deceased to the green

pastures and still waters of the nefer-nefer land, to restore the soul to the body, and to

give protection in the valley of the shadow of death (the Tuat). The Lords Prayer was

prefigured by an Egyptian hymn to Osiris-Amen beginning, O Amen, O Amen, who are in

heaven. Amen was also invoked at the end of every prayer.

As Col. James Chruchward naively exclaims, The teachings of Osiris and Jesus are

wonderfully alike. Many passages are identically the same, word for word.

Osiris was also the god of the vine and a great travelling teacher who civilized the

world. He was the ruler and judge of the dead. In his passion, Osiris was plotted against

and killed by Set and the 72. Like that of Jesus, Osiriss resurrection served to provide

hope to all that they may do likewise and become eternal.

Osiriss son or renewed incarnation, Horus, shares the following in common with Jesus:

–Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Merion December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth

being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.

–His earthly father was named Seb (Joseph).

–He was of royal descent.

–At at 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized having

disappeared for 18 years.

–Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by Anup the Baptizer (John

the Baptist), who was decapitated.

–He had 12 desciples, two of who were his witnesses and were named Anup and Aan (the two

Johns).

–He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus (El-Osiris), from the dead.

–Horus walked on water.

–His personal epithet was Iusa, the ever-becoming son of Ptah, the Father. He was thus

called Holy Child.

–He delivered a Sermon on the Mount and his followers recounted the Sayings of Iusa.

–Horus was transfigured on the Mount.

–He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.

–He was also the Way, the Truth, the Light, Messiah, Gods Anointed Son, the Son of Man,

the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, the Word made flesh, the Word of Truth, etc.

–He was the Fisher and was associated with the Fish (Ichthys), Lamb and Lion.

–He came to fulfill the Law.

–Horus was called the KRST, or Anointed One.

–Like Jesus, Horus was supposed to reign one thousand years.

Furthermore, inscribed about 3,500 years ago [1500 years before Jesus alleged advent] on

the walls of the Temple at Luxor were images of the Annunciation, Immaculate Conception,

Birth and Adoration of Horus, with Thoth announcing to the Virgin Isis that she will

conceive Horus; with Kneph the Holy Ghost, impregnating the virgin; and with the infant

being attended bh three kings, or magi, bearing gifts. In addition, in the catacombs at

Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isisthe original

Madonna and child

MEANING THAT THE ANCIENT WORSHIPPERS OF HORUS, DIONYSUS, OSIRIS HAS BEEN CELEBRATING THE BIRTH AND DEATH OF THESE gods BEFORE

CHRISTIANITY WAS MADE A STATE RELIGION IN ROME. TODAY, THE TRUTH IS THAT THE BIBLE NEVER MENTIONED ANY OF THESE CELEBRATIONS

THAT IS; CHRISTMAS AND EASTHER .

NOW MY QUESTION IS SHOULD PROTESTANT CHURCHES,(CHRISTIAN CHURCHES THAT ARE NOT CHATOLIC CHURCH) BE PART OF THESE CELEBRATIONS?

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that is your version the zoo matter does not have impact with that event.

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nothing to do with the roman gods, sex or drugs. it is the winter festival celebrating that spring is coming. yule is held on the winter solstice (shortest day of the year) and symbolises the "rebirth" of the plants, livestock etc.

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It represents a key christian doctrine, although we are all aware that Jesus was not born on or around Dec. 25.

And then it has the other festivities attached to it, e.g. decorations, trees, gifts, etc.

I am very wary of the attempts by some to remove the 'Christ' out of Christmas.

Yesterday on tv, they were reporting about how a certain group is advocating that the media should [b]only [/b]say 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas'; the latter is imposing. Of course it is expected that the discourse of the layman will change with time.

Would they ask the Muslims to do that during Ramadan?

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@op- is not a new thing that xtrianity is paganism

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