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Is God A Trinity?

Simply no because God is one and christ is the son the holy spirit is the active force of God

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@Italo of course you have no time to read!!! Readers of plappville's post and posts by other Christians. Please note that sending links with complicated logical explanations to Christians is doing a great disfavor to you. Reading and discovering other "truths" is seriously discouraged. I would highly recommend breaking down your points into short verses and get right to the point.

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^^

Thank You Jo.

These false prophets, they need help !!

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Who cares about Bible scholers? no time to read irrelevant links.

JESUS IS THE LORD OF LORDS, THE PRINCE OF PEACE, THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. THIS IS THE TRUTH !

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@Italo, please watch what the Biblical Scholars are saying, below:

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Italo wants me to play brain dead so that he can suck the false idea to me.

I can take care of myself, thank you. I don't need to be played like that.

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@Italo; Is there any other meaning than the one you get when you literally read "my God, my God. . .why has Thou forsaken me?"?

No muslim have said that the Bible, though not revealed to any single Prophet, is 100% incorrect. We say that from it, we see parts of Tawrah, Psalm and Gospel revealed to their receiver prophets. Then we see addition that were added to these 3. And there are subtracted information [obviously not in the them [the Bible], or changed the words as to give other meanings].

We also know and it is obvious that it is false to accept that Jesus is son of God, even though you claim it for him. We see that in the times he should display his son relationship to God, he displayed his servant/prophet relationship to God [The Prayers at the Gethsemane and The My God, my God, . . . are two obvious examples]. It is not difficult to know that the statement that he is son of God is a forgery, a complete untrue statement.

Muslims say that it [The Bible] is corrupted because it is not 100% correct. We see Acts, and all after it as pure addition, adding to the initiate "Corruption" that we know within Tawrah of Moses, Psalm of David [at least with the declaration of Jeremiah accusing the Scribes/and the leadership of Israel of corrupting these two]. It is after these that Gospel was revealed to Jesus as he preached it just like Muhammad [as] preached The Quran.

But we see Jesus saying he was not Elijah but John was, which John denied. We see that neither John nor Jesus was "The That Prophet". Who was that Prophet if Muhammad [as] was not, the man Jesus prophesied to come as the another comforter to "Correct, guide, lead, tell and glorify" based on hearing from God?

You will agree that if the Gospel/New Testament is not corrupted, we will have to accept that on the day of Judgment, the 12 disciples judging the 12 tribes/nations of Israel will include Judas Iscariot. But the Christians say in the Bible that he committed suicide and I can't imagine a person who killed himself being a judge on the day of Judgment. {Or you already transfer his seat to another man?}.

I don't know why i need a teacher in something this clear to understand as untrue? Or do you think I am from the classification of what Jesus said about the disciples; people of little faith and lacking in understanding, seeking signs?

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@sweetnecta,

Yes. You believe Jesus said "my God, my God, why have you forsaken me", but you don't believe that he said he was the Son of God. But both come from the Bible which you discredit. Isn't that hypocrisy?

Besides, you don't know what he meant by 'my God, my God, why have you forsaken me'. You can't understand the Bible because it wasn't addressed to you.

And when you don't know something, the sane thing to do is to swallow your misguided pride, admit you don't know and ask those who know, instead of spewing meaningless lines.

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U believed he said these words ,yet u deny when he call himself SON OF GOD.?

Why didnt u say the contrary? (like, He didnt say these words, it was all Paul and christians that says it??)) u forbids Jesus claims as the saviour of the world, he didnt come to die for our sins etc. U ve to justify urself with the truth.

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@I.Chuka ^^^; so the blind with eyes that do not see because of owner's bad focus or any other reason will say things that are inconsistent, so much so that they oppose the others;

examples; a time, Jesus will be God.

Another time, he will be Prophet.

Another time different from above, Jesus will be the another comforter, even though he said I will send him or beg God to send him.

Another time Jesus will be the Holy Spirit that he himself is greater than in the Trinity.

Another time, it is that very holy spirit that mounted and over shadowed Mary to produce Jesus.

Yet it is the father that is tagged with the baby, not the holy ghost who did the act of mounting and overshadowing.

Another time Jesus who is the God is crying begging God.

Yelling out in questioning God why He forsaken him.

The same Jesus some said set aside his Godship, while at the same time he is always God the maker.

And he said he can of his own power do nothing.

I see how blind can actually have eyes opened and see nothing.

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@sweetness;THE BLIND ARE NOT DOES THAT DONT SEE,BUT,THOSE THAT DONT WISH TO SEE;JHN9:39

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I am not in a do or die debate with u, a tipical kuran brain washed is in display. The socalled koran that cliamed the bible is currupted is yet the perfect book for the earth to believe.

No time was he called? he was called these names before his birth, during his

days, after he died and even 600 yrs later when Mhammed was born, he was still called.

Mohamed came to correct this names as u said lols. I just laugh at how people play wit GOD.

A son that could modify his father's identity falsely is a rebelion. He lacks wisdom. His father was befor him,

he did all kind of good and true works, only for him to come is to deny his fathers true identity.

This must make him an hero of course.

I know a conforter Jesus spoke about, is not Mohammed but the Holy spirit.

So many evidence in the bible explaining the relationship of the Holy Ghost, Mohammed didn't display or prove them.

A confroter shouldn't creat laws that order the killing of christians and pagan, how does this correct/confort?

U can open whatever, can it be worse than the Koran corrections etc.!!

U hold on to the (or one prophet) why not hold on to Jesus as "John the Baptist" or others that say "Elijah", or and still others, that say "Jeremiah"?? or one of the prophets.” if he was a prophet he would just say blessed to those that suggest prophet. instead, he persist to hear his identity from his disciples mouth,  u re the SON of God, the Messaiah. PETER spoke in the spirit while others where in flesh. Jesus knew his identity.

U see, u cant understand the bible if u read it in the flesh.

He was refaring to prophets in general. each time he speak of himself, he do say the son of man. U really want me to just accept that Jesus Identity is wrong? hahaha, this is unacceptable. U can keep debating on this like many Muslims out there.

There are proofs of many prophets that sinned against God, they sins were seen and withnessed by men, but Jesus was not one of them, Again, he is not a prophet. He never sin nor begGed for forgiveness. even at his last breath, he still prayed to God to forgive them. This is a true divine love of God he has for humanity.

He prayed to his FATHER OF COURSE and till now he is still praying for us.

As an embodiment of God yes they do things in ways u cant understand. God's ways, is not our ways!.

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The Trinity is Pagan. LOOK .IT .UP!

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The speaker of this verse was Isiah! And obviously you didn't say isiah is God, but when Jesus spoke in the same manner of Isiah above, you say Jesus is God! You see how inconsistent you are? One rule for all, but a separate rule for Jesus.

God spoke through Isaiah. So it was God that spoke these words. Isaiah was a prophet, JESUS was and still the Messiah!!, Prophet Isaiah never compared himself with God or Jesus. He is not Mohamed, he spoke the truth prophecy about Jesus and it was accomplished.[/Quote]And God also spoke through Jesus. Jesus was a prophet. A messiah is nothing but anointed. I hope you will your bible and if i am wrong, then call me out on anyone of them.

[Quote]One of his prophecy that answer your question is here,

(Isaiah 9:6)For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.[/Quote]no time was Jesus in his earthly life called any of these. It is after he was lifted up to heaven by his Lord that you guys began to call him whatever you call him. And he was never a governor or a head of any government. If Moses had lived after Isiah, he would have been perfect for it. So was David. So was Solomon. There was no government resting on the shoulders of Jesus in the presence of Herold. You know it and i know it. The shoulders were even too weak to carry the wooden posts, the reason they got Simon of Syrenne.

[Quote]U read that??[/Quote]I read that. But your are wrong. So the muslims will correct you because we are the followers of the another comforter with absolute truth to correct. Remember that the another comforter is charged with the ability to correct? Know that Jesus was a prophet from his own mouth and the mouths of the true disciples, not the fake one called Paul. And a prophet does not have honor in his home town. And son of man does not have a place to lay his head.

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The changing God; is that what God is?

I ve told u in the other thread i will no longer enlighten u on the TRINITY, u ve refused to accept it so let it be to like that.[/Quote] Alhamdulillah. I am wise enough not to accept your not telling me the truth.

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You are truly a french woman. Suddenly Jesus is a prophet and not God here. Can't we for once have stability in his identity? please dont make him a woman o. And in the Lord's prayer, Jesus said forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us. A sinless asking for forgiveness? How perfect is that?

Jesus is not a prophe[/b]t, if I said after JESUS no other prophet was to mean (no other one like him.) i ve never and will never call Jesus a prophet. He is the Messiah, that Mohamed included Jesus in his list of prophets is completely incorrect. Jesus wasn't a prophet. Peter recognized him as the Messiah, son of GOD.[/Quote]It is either you or the disciples, a group is not telling the truth. Please leave Paul out if this, because you will open a can of worms that i do not want to talk about.

[Quote](Matthew 16 :13-16) When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one [b]of the prophets.”

15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.[/Quote]And where ever Jesus is called prophet in the Bible, we should now agree that whoever said it was a liar? Can you say Jesus and or his disciple[s] were lying when Jesus was called a prophet?

[Quote]Did Peter say he was a prophet? Sorry i am a Christian, If Jesus could Bless Peter for recongnizing his identity, then i should do the same to obtain his blessing. That Moha change Christ Identity in the Kuran, has nothing to do with Christ followers, instead, its the Muslims that gets burged to know that what they are taught about Jesus Christ is not what Jesus claim he is. Why on earth should u try to change some1 identity?[/Quote]Acts 3 verse 26 reads; New Living Translation (©2007)

When God raised up his servant, Jesus, [/b]he sent him first to you people of Israel, to bless you by turning each of you back from your sinful ways."

And who is the prophet of DEUT. 18:15, now that Jesus is said not to be a prophet, by you?

Matthew 13:57 [b]And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honor."

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. And in the Lord's prayer, Jesus said forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us. A sinless asking for forgiveness? How perfect is that?

When your child ask u, dad how do i do my home work? and u give him guard lines on how it should be done.

Does that means u are doing same homework as your son? OR does this make u be in same level with your son?

He taught his disciples how to pray, One of them came to him to teach them how to pray.

Read and understand, dont confuse urself.[/Quote]I guess I am not confused, but Jesus was also teaching people how to put their faces on the dirt to pray to God, when he was doing that all night long, crying and weeping and begging with it at gethsemane? You need to device a better way to not speak the truth.

[Quote]Luke 11:1-13(KJV)

1[b]And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place[/b], when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.

2And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

3Give us day by day our daily bread.

4And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.[/Quote]Notice that he was praying on his own. I wonder what a God is praying for and to who? A bigger God? Then the small God is only a god, then. Or do you know the silent prayers [supplication] of Jesus other than what he taught his disciples? That tells you that apart from the salah that he demonstrated all nght long at gethsemane, he supplicated quietly, which he taught his disciples. We muslims supplicate in addition to making salah.

[Quote](He is the bread of life) he will not ask himself for bread, (And forgive us our sins) he was not recorded with a sin, (But deliver us from evil)He is Holy and rightous, he do not need to be delivered from evil.

He taught them this prayer because he knew, he wont be with them all through. And they will pass through all the mentioned in the Prayer he had taught them.[/Quote]But will ask The Real God for everything. You see those who pray in facial prostration and supplicate quietly are not God.

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@Sweetnecta, She is God.

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@Italo; « #15 on: October 11, 2011, 12:57 PM »

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Mohammed saw Jesus as a prophet of God, right? Let's assume for a moment that its true. So we are supposed to believe every word a prophet of God says, right?

So we believe everything Jesus told us, what's your problem with that?[/Quote]Including believing what Jesus didn't say but others say he said them? That is not believing what Jesus said. That is believing in farce.

@plappville « #16 on: October 11, 2011, 02:05 PM »

[Quote]Quote from: italo on October 11, 2011, 12:57 PM

@olabowale

Mohammed saw Jesus as a prophet of God, right? Let's assume for a moment that its true. So we are supposed to believe every word a prophet of God says, right?

So we believe everything Jesus told us, what's your problem with that?

I wonder ooo, he started by asking if God was trinity, now heading to critising and trying to condem a christian believe by persuading her to come to Islam. I am saying and will keep saying it.

Only a fool will backslide from christian and be converted to Muslim.[/Quote]And those who stick stubbornly to lies, what will you call them? is 3 not a lie when you say it is 1? What type of new math is that?

[Quote]Moha who they claim was announced by Jesus is now the one that even turn against Jesus.[/Quote]Plap, if the lies told against Jesus is rejected for and on behalf of Jesus, do you have problem in restoring Jesus to his rightful place? That restoration is what Muhammad [as] did.

[Quote]Is everythin not suposed to work out for good.? Muslims a jokers [/b]if they dont stop to deny Gods word.

[b]After Jesus no other prophet. Moha was a mere man like the @OP, sinner and always beg God for his commited sins and sins yet to commits by him. Jesus was perfect, sinless [/b]despites all that he went through.[/Quote]You are truly a french woman. Sudenly jesus is a prophet and not God here. Can't we for once have stability in his identity? please dont make him a woman o. And in the Lord's prayer, Jesus said forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us. A sinless asking for forgiveness? How perfect is that?

[Quote] Of course that was the reason why he came, to take away all our sins, if not he could insults or refused to die. He died willingly that we may have life.

Islam is not of God, they denies Gods command on human.[/Quote]And the eager to die Biblical Jesus turned around and blame God by complaining about how he was forsaken. What a person not refusing to die?

@Rich4god « #18 on: October 11, 2011, 08:16 PM »

[Quote]@op, We have only 1 God who revealed Himself to us in 3 different ways, thus TRINITY. In the old testament, He revealed Himself in a form we cannot see (ie thunder, fire, burning bush etc) we take that as God the father. In the new testament, He came in a human nature, as the son. And now, we all have the spirit of God working in us, thats God the Holy spirit. We do not have 3 God, bt rather we have 1 God who revealed Himself in 3 differnt ways.[/Quote]The changing God; is that what God is?

@chomynomy « #21 on: Yesterday at 09:48:46 AM »

[Quote] Smiley Of course, God is Trinity. God d Father, d Son & d Holy Spirit[/Quote]bro, give me 3 Billion Euros. I will pay you 1 Billion Euros, in combinations of check, bank draft and currency and that will be trinity style of payment.

@i.chuka « #22 on: Yesterday at 12:47:13 PM »

[Quote]For there are THREE that bear record in Heaven,the FATHER,the WORD,and the HOLY GHOST,and these THESE THREE ARE "ONE"-1jhn5:7.[/Quote]3 is 1? Wat kind of actuary is that? What do other gospel say about this important information? Nothing? I wonder if it ever was said by Jesus? Not.

@plappville « #24 on: Yesterday at 08:24

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sisi, did jesus say to you he came to take away your sins? remember you are from obodo 9ja.

[b]Yes Jesus died for u and me so that we might be save, even if u re not ok with this, it still stands no modifying or changing it.

Wetin 9ja get to do with this? U self Grin Grin[/Quote]Remember that the miracle workers among you will be rejected. Then imagine the condition of the non miracle performers among you? Jesus didn't die for me. heck. I am certain that he didn't die.

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did jesus tell the guys that there is trinity, when he even prayed to one God?

So u dont know Grin Grin, see it below, no dey run away from the truth. Ok let me supply it to u.

The God of the christians is one God. The scripture gave a vivid prove of the TRINITY.

The 3 persons [/b]of the Godbody are noted in (Isaiah 48:16)“I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.” [b]The speaker of this verse is obviously GOD [/b]and yet he says, he has been sent (BOTH) by the lord God "the father" and by his spirit that is, "the holy spirit" One name (GOD) yet 3 names. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Much verses in the bible spoke of this Trinity.[/Quote]The speaker of this verse was Isiah! And obviously you didn't say isiah is God, but when Jesus spoke in the same manner of Isiah above, you say Jesus is God! You see how inconsistent you are? One rule for all, but a separate rule for Jesus.

[Quote]What an evident in (John 15:26) hear again where our Lord Jesus said: “But when the Comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father, He shall testify of me.” The son is talking, he will send to us a conforter own by his father(TRINITY) wht is confusing u about the GODHEAD trinity?[/Quote]Plappville, tell me you are are not so gullible that you didn't think that comforter that Jesus said he would sent was not part of the father, if there was a father? If Jesus was able to send the comforter, will you not at least ask if Jesus was actually capable of sending the comforter, the comforter can't be God and may actually be a prophet? But many have said that the comforter is Holy Ghost that got Mary pregnant being the father, instead of Yahweh on one hand and some argued that the comforter was Jesus trying to say that he has returned on the other hand, even though you are still waiting for his return to rapture you up [never will rapture happen. each of you shall grow old, old enough and die of]. The issue of comforter is so complex and confusing that christians have tried to compartmentalized it. They know they can't discuss all of it at a go without realizing how erroneous the argument really is. and in other gospels, Jesus was not the sender, but Jesus begged the father to send the comforter who was to finish what Jesus didn't [sisi, read the incomplete mission of Jesus and ask yourself; who completed everything?].

@lepasharon « #25 on: Yesterday at 08:36:47 PM »

the trinity has a pagan origin look it up, notice its nowhere in the bible?[quote][/Quote]Yah kno.

@plappville « #28 on: Yesterday at 10:23:34 PM »

[Quote]Quote from: Jenwitemi on Yesterday at 08:57:24 PM

God is a family of three(Trinity); The Father, the mother whose name is Hollie Ghoste(she uses her maiden name because her husband does not have a surname, obviously), and the son. A daughter is on the way to make this bible God a family of four(Quartet) because Hollie Ghoste, the mother, is now pregnant with a baby girl. Wink Cheesy

Are u from this planet?? If yes[b] kindly eat that vomit of urs and beg him to 4give u for acting foolishly.[/Quote]what a terribly way to seek recourse.

[Quote]« #31 on: Yesterday at 10:39:16 PM »

Even though, u still ve to eat that dirty vomit of urs, no offence to do that God will forgive u for this.[/Quote]This sisi is playing God, again. Its bad enough you are making Jesus to play God.

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Even though, u still ve to eat that dirty vomit of urs, no offence to do that God will forgive u for this.

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the trinity has a pagan origin look it up, notice its nowhere in the bible??

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For there are THREE that bear record in Heaven,the FATHER,the WORD,and the HOLY GHOST,and these THESE THREE ARE "ONE"-1jhn5:7.

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@rich4god; « #18 on: Yesterday at 08:16:31 PM »

[Quote]@op, We have only 1 God who revealed Himself to us in 3 different ways, thus TRINITY. In the old testament, He revealed Himself in a form we cannot see (ie thunder, fire, burning bush etc) we take that as God the father. In the new testament, He came in a human nature, as the son. And now, we all have the spirit of God working in us, thats God the Holy spirit. We do not have 3 God, bt rather we have 1 God who revealed Himself in 3 differnt ways[/Quote]in OT you only see His signs of being; via Thunder, Fire, Burning Bush, etc. All through these, you do not know anything about Him, according to your statement here. Not even His Name.

But in the NT, He made Himself known by Name, as the father? Is this what you are saying? If not, please make your position clearer. If yes, then who is I AM, Yahweh, etc of the OT and who is Ellah, of Jesus and Jehovah of Paul/the latin derivative of Yahweh?

Why is He a human and a son now, when to the people He chose, He was not showing up, even with a known Name, but only sign? re you saying that He now loth/dislike the previously beloved chosen and took the christians as His newly beloved when He became human and a son [May Allah forgive me, for I do not say this]?

In all, you now now say that He has changed once, again, only appearing as Spirit to you. When Jesus said that a spirit will come, even though this spirit will be from God, it is believed that this spirit is not God, but a servant, slave, messenger sent. At the time jesus was speaking about this spirit, he has not appeared, but his future existence has became a known knowledge to the disciples who have heard prophesy about his coming from the lips of Jesus. This is why the world, as in the nations of israel/Judea do not know him, yet, but he by speech from Jesus is already living in the hearts of the disciples, known to them as another prophet, a human to come in the future.

repeating as in speech delivery of what he heard from God, through His angel and directly from God as in Chapter 2 verses284/7 of the Quran. If all that you are saying is correct and Muhammad [as] is not the Another Comforter promised, then show me a previous Holy Spirit, and how many were they apart from 1, always? Show me the only one who spoke in the Name of the Lord God Almighty? Show me the "That Prophet" that the Jews were expecting so much that they asked John, if he was, among others; return of Elijah and the coming of Messiah before the "That Prophet".

Show me what the holy spirit said on the day of Pentecost. Or he didn't say anything, when he was supposed to teach, correct, lead, remind and glorify? Do you expect God to glorify Jesus more than had happened when jesus was alive on earth? If yes, then what new glory?

I want to learn. But no christian is willing or capable to teach us about Jesus, the holy spirit, the day of pentecost all in one lecture. You can not compartmentalize these 3 especially in the light of what Jesus said about the another comforter and tests of who is a true prophet of God and the work of the another comforter versus what is reported happened on pentecost.

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@op, We have only 1 God who revealed Himself to us in 3 different ways, thus TRINITY. In the old testament, He revealed Himself in a form we cannot see (ie thunder, fire, burning bush etc) we take that as God the father. In the new testament, He came in a human nature, as the son. And now, we all have the spirit of God working in us, thats God the Holy spirit. We do not have 3 God, bt rather we have 1 God who revealed Himself in 3 differnt ways.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^ please tell you will never die.

if you can't which life therefore did his dying guarantee that you will have?

are you for real, lady?

did jesus told the guy that there is trinity, when he even prayed to one God?

sisi, did jesus say to you he came to take away your sins? remember you are from obodo 9ja.

Jesus said there is a 'That Prophet" to come to comfort you because he has spirit of God in him.

Did you listen to Jesus? No. You just decided to deviate.

How did the spirit except if he is a man capable of speaking to you to glorify Jesus, remind you of what Jesus said, lead you to all truth, correct the disciples, etc? What did he correct them about? Do you know?

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I wonder ooo, he started by asking if God was trinity, now heading to critising and trying to condem a christian believe by persuading her to come to Islam. I am saying and will keep saying it.

Only a fool will backslide from christian and be converted to Muslim.

Moha who they claim was announced by Jesus is now the one that even turn against Jesus.

Is everythin not suposed to work out for good.? Muslims a jokers if they dont stop to deny Gods word.

After Jesus no other prophet. Moha was a mere man like the @OP, sinner and always beg God for his commited sins and sins yet to commits by him. Jesus was perfect, sinless despites all that he went through. Of course that was the reason why he came, to take away all our sins, if not he could insults or refused to die. He died willingly that we may have life.

Islam is not of God, they denies Gods command on human.

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@olabowale

Mohammed saw Jesus as a prophet of God, right? Let's assume for a moment that its true. So we are supposed to believe every word a prophet of God says, right?

So we believe everything Jesus told us, what's your problem with that?

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@Gigiffe; My sister consider this, wave can not exist without particle. However particle does exist without wave. It is the dynamic changes of particle when it vibrates/in the state of kinetic that you will have a wave, generated due to that motion. Hence the existence of wave completely depends on particle, not the other way around.

In view of the above please consider that God is ever present, in the past prior to the begining of creation, at this present time and in the future, even after the world/creations perish. God is constant and unique. His glory is full, and complete, always. You can not say that about any of His creations, Jesus included, even Angel Gabriel was the spirit/Holy spirit that appeared to Mary for the announcement and the process of pregnancy and birth of jesus Christ the son of mary/son of man, meaning all his nature is of man, began.

Since God did exist before jesus, then it shows that jesus at one time did not exist. Now Jesus is no more after his he had existed on this plane. The present state of Jesus, presently in heaven is entirely in the hand of God. All the miracles performed by Jesus is by the permission of his Lord, God the Almighty. Without the permission of this true God, Jesus or any prophet, including Moses and Muhammad to name a few can not do anything. You need to know that muhammad performed many miracles, eg splitting the moon, (for those of you that Allah is the Moon god, there goes your theory), but his greatest miracle is the Glorious Qur'an, remaining unchanging from its revelation. This shows that Jesus is not better than any other prophet, eg Moses who heard the voice our Lord directly, more than one time I might add.

Since Jesus was not the last person to make entry in the new testament, then you must admit that even though you do not know for certain, God might have raised up another prophet to continue in the same path of the previous prophets, after jesus was raised up into heaven. After all God is capable of doing all things. read the Qur'an and you will be delighted you did; it may strenghten your Biblical belief or change you for good by accepting islam. At least try to read it. It will be a tragedy that at the point of death, when you see the reality, it will be too late. You have a chance now that you are alive.

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@gigiffe; did you know better than God the Creator of all. It is the fallacy of the blood and 3 in one that God destroy by sending another prophet to correct this unforgiveable claim against God and Jesus His servant. Please read Chapter called mary and the chapter called The table spread. Then let me know your findings. The problem is that most people can handle religious truth. the religion of the parent may not be a true religion, hence it may lead to hellfire. I believe we are all trying to avoid hellfire.

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does the koran say anything about the trinity. anyway God said jesus was his son and after him no more. dying on the cross was the ultimate sacrifice because it made the sacrifice of animals and blood offering obsolete and then the Holy spirit was sent to help us out. im not really sure why we would need another messiah after jesus.

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@gigiffe; So why is it so difficult for you then that God the Almighty might have raised somebody else up after Jesus to refute the false statement about 3 in one and son and death on the cross, etc. I think you need to read the Qur'an and then decide.

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lol this not about answers. i know why things behave like particles and waves. they do so under certain confinements. im simply saying that matter is not both waves and particles, it is one thing. we just say waves and particles in different situations to best explain the results of experiments.

im not relegating God to any material thing. im just saying that human language is often inadequate and so is human knowledge.

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@gigiffe. Since you sent your first entry to me, I had gone searching topics in advance physics. You know, I only took the essentials amount of Physics for Civil Engineering. But your paricle/wave issue is a more advances descipline, geophysics to be precise. In closeover 25 years, I have not read any materials in Physics, because there was no need for it. However, you got me curious and I went on reading on storm conditions where analysis of particle/wave and wave/wave are discussed. Most of the findings are theoretical and there are so many assumptions. You have here the web sites for your own reading; www.physics.com,searchfor particleandwave. On the 3rd topic from the top, click on it. I am sure you will find your answer; Non linear processes in Geophysics.

By the way, do you relegate your attempt to explain away your god into such a material material thing, knowing fully well that they do not parallel each other. There are something that are absolute, God is that whole. If the Qur'an did not give an challenging answer and thereby refute the 3 in one concept, then you might be able to pull one over the eye of every thinking person. Over a hundred years ago, there are many things known now that were unimaginable then, it did boguled the mind. The same question you asked about particle/wave you did not know it, yet you are the physicist here. Nice one my sister.

About how mariam got pregnant, it is very easy by God indeed to command anything to occur. What you and me agreed upo is that Mary was young when she got pregnant. The pregnancy was at some age that she was physiologically capable to be pregnant. The did not have sex with any man, however the Angel of her Lord appeared to her to inform her of this unusual event to her. The rest of it you can read the about it in the hadith of Muhammad and a book called the story of the prophets. The birth of Jesus is simply by the commannd of his Lord, Be. Immediately the process began uninterrupted.

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@gigitte; I thought my question of 3 all of a sudden becoming one is more of a math problem, not behaviors of particles or the characteristics of matter and the analysis of wave. Please that you have in the Bible that each of the three entities are complete as separate entities. Then I wonder what happened when Jesus was praying and asking that his cup be taken away from him. Who was he asking and praying to. When he asked that a will belonging to some entity be done who was that entity and in what role of personality was that entity. When jesus was expiring according to the Bible, who was he asking that he had been forsook. Is that entity his equal or higher. When Jesus died according to the Bible did the other two died as well. Who was overseeing the creations at the time of the death of jesus. When jesus was in his mother's womb, who was still in charge of the creations. My sister, physics does not apply here and you need to reflect.

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lol when the scientists and doctors tell me how something can be both a wave and a particle when waves adn particles have different characteristics and behave in different ways and give different results to the same experiment, then i will explain to them how God is a trinity lol.

God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are a trinity, but there are really no words to describe completely the nature of this mystery. just as they are no words to describe the dual nature of matter

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Please can anybody with a minimum amount of arithmetics tell me how I can arrive at 1 when there is 1 plus 1 plus 1. How can rational mind justify this hypothesis. truly if the mind is sound. About it being termed a misery, oh my brothers and sisters from Nigeria ( an being nationalistic here), tell me how you justify your theory of Misery, especially when you have to prove all things. Please be sensible. Most of you have gone through comprehensive matriculations. You have Doctors and a pool of Scientists.

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nah God is a trinityl. three in one, one in three. one of the mysteries of the bible

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