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Is God Both Male And Female?

God said, Let us make man in our image , male and female" -- implying that God is both male and female and that men and women are of equal value and importance.

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I do not think that God can be classified into sexes - Just the same way that the author of a book cannot personally be classified into themes which apply to the book (e.g as fiction or non-fiction). The "image" of God, as we are made to understand is not a physical quality.

e.g Anita wrote a book,

the book was written by Anita;

it was a fiction, and romantic.

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Hi Fluffy,

I didn't say God is both male and female. Can you get the issue of sex off your mind a bit? God is Spirit, and does not have the flesh that you and I have. Our sex is expressed through our body, which God does not have. So how can you ascribe an attribute to Him that He is incapable of having? Remember that the Bible says in Christ, there is neither male nor female. Christ is the image of God.

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Hey Fluffy (I like your name),

Here is my earlier post. I hope it eases your confusion.

“…, At about seven o’clock, each group began to address the Council on its findings. Eight of the ten groups were of the opinion the minister is a representative of God, and since God is a man, it would be against divine revelation to ordain a woman as a church minister. The ninth group, made up of delegates from Africa and Asia, were then called to present their position.

Sam Uyota rose from his seat and approached the podium. There was a short round of applause, which ended when he took the microphone.”

“My Lord and your excellencies. My name is Sam Uyota. I am a delegate from Africa and I have been asked to speak for my group.” There was another short round of applause. “The matter before the Council is a very simple one. The Bible gives us a clear answer to the question we have been asking ourselves all day. I think the issue here is not whether women should be ordained or not but whether God is a man or a woman. Most of the groups have agreed that God is a man. I say also that God is a man.” There was another round of applause. He stood still for a while, not saying anything but just staring into space. There was an uneasy silence. After a while, he continued to speak.

“I say with emphasis however, that God is not male. The concept of manhood was introduced in the Book of Genesis, in the second chapter. Before then, the Lord had said, ‘It is not good that Adam should be alone,’ for so the original language testifies. Most of the bibles in our hands have translated that verse thus, “It is not good that the man should be alone,’ but if it is understood that the word for man, ish, is not found in the Bible until the 22nd verse of the second chapter of the Book of Genesis, then the confusion will disappear immediately. What did God mean when He made that statement?” He paused again for a moment. There was silence in the hall.

“Did He mean that Adam was lonely? We, as bible teachers, know that could not be possible, for Adam was perfectly made. Then what does that statement betoken? Let us translate that statement into the modern way of speaking. This is what God said. ‘It is not good that Adam should be different or separate.’ Different from who? The animals? The birds? The fish? I say no, because there was nothing in the garden that had the same image as him. Who, therefore was he being compared to? The answer becomes clear when we understand that the first Adam was a figure or a type or a shadow of the last Adam who was to come. God was looking at the last Adam. His eyes were on the future. What did He see in the last Adam that the first Adam did not have? He saw that Jesus Christ was going to have a wife.

“A wife that would be a part of Him; who would come out of Him. Jesus Christ would be the head and she would be the body. That is why God took a rib, the token of the covenant, from Adam’s side, and formed Eve from it. The Lord returned Eve to Adam, and a new creation was formed. It was called marriage. Adam called her woman ‘because she was taken out of the man.’ The words man and woman appeared for the first time because of marriage. A woman, biblically speaking, represents the part, while the man represents the whole. God is the whole and all creation is the part. That is why God is called a man. Jesus Christ is called a man and the Church a woman, though it is made up of male and female members. The reason is that Jesus Christ is the whole and we are the part. For in Him we live and move and have our being.

Therefore, if we say that we will not ordain women because God is a man we will be guilty of blasphemy. What we are saying, in effect, is that God is male. For if we ordain males and reject females, are we not in great danger of blasphemy?” He stopped and looked in the direction of the trustees.

“My lords and excellencies, if we reject female ministers, we must also reject male ministers and ordain only married male ministers. For it is the married male who is called a man. I urge you to prayerfully consider what I have said.” He walked away from the microphone and off the podium. There was no applause!, "

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wht a question!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God da father, da son n da holy[b] Spirit[/b]!!!!!!!

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Fluffy,

Going back through the post, I realise you refer to God as a male. This is absolutely not true. Read my post above from 'The Last Outcast'. God is not male, but God is a man. These are two different concepts. Man means the whole, while male has to do with sex.

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Fluffy,

Our reference to God has 'IT', 'He' or 'She' just shows how limited we are as humans to describe the infinite. You need to understand that our vocabulary, no matter how extensive can never describe God in His absolute sense. Besides, we are unable to fathom God in His essence with our finite mind, and we try to explain what we are unable to comprehend with a limited tool called words. Can you understand our dilemma then?

Male and Female has to do with the flesh. Our spirits are same whether they are dwelling in a male body or not. The Bible refers to the female body as a weaker vessel, but the spirit is same in essence. Our spirits are created in God's image, and this is neither male nor female.

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Precisely my point. The way I see it, our various pesuasions are that God is:

(a) both Male and Female

(b) only Male

(c) either Male or Female

(d) sexless.

I believe that God not emphatically a gender (this is different from saying that God is 'sexless'), or at best, He does not reveal Himself as comparable to anything (see Isa. 64:5). Even if there could be a "sexless being" anywhere in the universe, it still does not change the fact that nothing can be compared to God - absolutely nothing! People are created in the image and likeness of God, but if that reads as emphasizing gender, what about the animals: are the not "male and female?"

Christ is the image of God and this image is not about gender/sex. In Heb. 1:3, before He became Man, Christ was the express image of God in the sense of expressing the real essence of who God is. This is beyond a Male or Female matter - it is about knowing who God is as revealed in Christ.

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Reverend,

I can see that y'all are digressing from the issue you raised. I hope you started this thread to get real answers to your legitimate question. If so, here it is: The image of God is not male and/or female. Rather. the image of God is simply CHRIST. The Bible says so in 2 Corinthians 5:5 "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. "

Male and female has nothing to do with the image of God. If you recall that the animals that were created before man were also created as males and females, but they were not created in God's image.

I guess some could also get confused by some attributes ascribed to God in the Bible. I'll explain all that subsequently.

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Reverend, please be a gentleman. Even the Bible that you don't want to quote, read, or respect says it is good for a man not to condemn himself by allowing the same thing that he decries. You decried kimba's getting so upset, supposing him to have attacked people in his replies; yet, you attacked him by calling him names. What do you mean by "bible bashing hysterical rhetoric" and "a brain washed sin monger" in reference to him? Do I suspect that you have a personal vitriol against him and would use any opportunity to vent your own misgivings, especially because he called you a false prophet previously?

Anyway, my own reply may not be welcome by many; but then, I appreciate some of the questions that have really taken me to task, including this one. Beyond this thread and Forum, I've encountered that question among friends and in other debates. Perhaps 'The Last Outcast' by Rev. Chris Okotie acknowledges that the question is entrenched in so many people's minds, otherwise he would not have so much as bothered to write a line about it. Whatever the issue, we should be discerning, appreciative enough to respond to some of these questions. In the past, I did it the wrong way - but in recent times I learned to cool down, talk to people instead of judging them; and this is the reason why I don't mind a debate with an atheist, respecting him for being a human being first before anything else.

However, that does not mean that I support or curry favour with you, Reverend. You need to repent and put your faith in Christ and God's Word. If you are opposed to that, no qualms - I'm not the Judge, God is. My answer is that you simply take Jesus' advice - fear Him!! (Matt. 10:28).

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@Reverend

How are you sir? You havent replied my enquiries as regards to your Church and your doctrines. And Im quite surprised why you focus on bashing everything about God while you earnestly hold on to your Mary Magdalene false Doctrines. Do you know God is looking at you?

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Reverend" and "Jagunlabi" on the same thread, weird questions like this are bound to erupt.

@Jagunlabi

Im quite impressed about all the info you are presenting right and left. Its proof enough that you read the Bible. But suffice me to say that all knowledge holed up in one's head without useful application is but a waste. Why do you read about what you dont want to believe in.

In answer to the question on the thread,

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dominobaby,

This is something that has already being revealed. The problem is whether we accept what is being revealed.

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All i think i cn say, as there is no scripture that clearly states what, 'secret things belong to God': deut. 29:29. (Strive to get to heaven and ask)

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Hey Guys,

Here’s the piece I promised from Chris Okotie’s book, ‘The Last Outcast’. I hope it brings some light into this discussion and a totally new point of view.

“…, At about seven o’clock, each group began to address the Council on its findings. Eight of the ten groups were of the opinion the minister is a representative of God, and since God is a man, it would be against divine revelation to ordain a woman as a church minister. The ninth group, made up of delegates from Africa and Asia, were then called to present their position.

Sam Uyota rose from his seat and approached the podium. There was a short round of applause, which ended when he took the microphone.”

“My Lord and your excellencies. My name is Sam Uyota. I am a delegate from Africa and I have been asked to speak for my group.” There was another short round of applause. “The matter before the Council is a very simple one. The Bible gives us a clear answer to the question we have been asking ourselves all day. I think the issue here is not whether women should be ordained or not but whether God is a man or a woman. Most of the groups have agreed that God is a man. I say also that God is a man.” There was another round of applause. He stood still for a while, not saying anything but just staring into space. There was an uneasy silence. After a while, he continued to speak.

“I say with emphasis however, that God is not male. The concept of manhood was introduced in the Book of Genesis, in the second chapter. Before then, the Lord had said, ‘It is not good that Adam should be alone,’ for so the original language testifies. Most of the bibles in our hands have translated that verse thus, “It is not good that the man should be alone,’ but if it is understood that the word for man, ish, is not found in the Bible until the 22nd verse of the second chapter of the Book of Genesis, then the confusion will disappear immediately. What did God mean when He made that statement?” He paused again for a moment. There was silence in the hall.

“Did He mean that Adam was lonely? We, as bible teachers, know that could not be possible, for Adam was perfectly made. Then what does that statement betoken? Let us translate that statement into the modern way of speaking. This is what God said. ‘It is not good that Adam should be different or separate.’ Different from who? The animals? The birds? The fish? I say no, because there was nothing in the garden that had the same image as him. Who, therefore was he being compared to? The answer becomes clear when we understand that the first Adam was a figure or a type or a shadow of the last Adam who was to come. God was looking at the last Adam. His eyes were on the future. What did He see in the last Adam that the first Adam did not have? He saw that Jesus Christ was going to have a wife.

“A wife that would be a part of Him; who would come out of Him. Jesus Christ would be the head and she would be the body. That is why God took a rib, the token of the covenant, from Adam’s side, and formed Eve from it. The Lord returned Eve to Adam, and a new creation was formed. It was called marriage. Adam called her woman ‘because she was taken out of the man.’ The words man and woman appeared for the first time because of marriage. A woman, biblically speaking, represents the part, while the man represents the whole. God is the whole and all creation is the part. That is why God is called a man. Jesus Christ is called a man and the Church a woman, though it is made up of male and female members. The reason is that Jesus Christ is the whole and we are the part. For in Him we live and move and have our being.

Therefore, if we say that we will not ordain women because God is a man we will be guilty of blasphemy. What we are saying, in effect, is that God is male. For if we ordain males and reject females, are we not in great danger of blasphemy?” He stopped and looked in the direction of the trustees.

“My lords and excellencies, if we reject female ministers, we must also reject male ministers and ordain only married male ministers. For it is the married male who is called a man. I urge you to prayerfully consider what I have said.” He walked away from the microphone and off the podium. There was no applause!, "

I hope you giuys get the gist of what is written above. I might try to explain more if the confusion continues, but I think the explanation given above is exhaustive enough.

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@jagunlabi

How is that not proof, please explain your reason for disagreeing with me.

Or is there also another prayer saying our mother in heaven?

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Hey Guys,

Pick up Chris Okotie's book: 'The Last Outcast'. He discussed this issue in it. If y'all r interested, I can try type out those few pages and post it in here.

Cheers

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Seems to me like you people need more proof that GOD IS MALE.

Look at it this way who do we pray to when we say the Lord's prayer "OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN"

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That is the garden of Eden version you quoted right there,but remember that there were more than one creation stories in the book of genesis and the very first one says that God created man and woman at the same time and separately.

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I believe God is both male and female.

Man was first made that way(possesing male and female xristics) until God seperated the female characteristics form him in forming eve.

That is why God can weep and nuture and all of a sudden appear as a man of war.

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Somebody talking my language.What does 4 get think of this one here?

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I believe the Most High is Female and Male, as one complements the other. According to the laws of the Universe everything has an opposite. Even within ourselves we have male and female elements.

Some egotistical men were determined to make the female a subhuman and not an equal so they banished any references of the female element and disposed of all her followers by trying them as witches, blasphemers etc

The Catholic Church recognises the Female element as Mary, Mother of Jesus but they would not admit she is the Female element of the Most High.

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My dear jagunlabi,

History does not prove your personal assertions, I'm sorry to say. What you have applied only serves to buttress my earlier conjecture:

I am very familiar with early Christian history, and there's just something you have failed to tell me: who wrote the OT - Emperor Constantine and the offcials at the Nicean Council? Unless you can come up with another polarised misrepresentation of historical events to prove that Genesis, Deuteronomy and the other Books of the OT were altered by the Nicean Council, you will continue to get the picture all wrong. Why don't you calm down and look at issues objectively?

Now, Christians do not have 'paganophobic' reflections because we recognise that paganism is as much a recognised tradition and experience on its own merit. This talk of 'lifting' this and that from paganism to Christianity is a weathered and worn issue that has no merit whasoever other than the false assertions of authors trying to discredit Christianity. Why so? Think about it again, jagunlabi: has it occured to you that anything and everything about Christianity is being maligned and attacked by every Tom, Dick and Harry calling themselves 'scholars, researchers, authorities and historians'?

So, the days of worship (Saturday, Sunday. . and even Friday) were 'borrowed' and eventually 'stolen' from paganism; the Christian concept of God was also borrowed, lifted and stolen from paganism; the celebration of Christian festivals (Easter, Christmas, etc) were lifted as well from the pagans; and the doctrine of the death, resurrection, ascension and soon return of Christ (rapture) was borrowed as well. C'mon, jagunlabi - I've read them all, and if you really believe those things, you'll surprise me for your lack of objectivity.

The fact is that, pagans had their religious experiences and rites and Christianity in no way borrowed from or represents a continuum with minor adjustments of paganism. I'm surprised that these same scholars (those that I've read) have failed to tell us who the pagans borrowed or lifted their ideas from before passing it down to several other contemporary religions.

You see, when these questions are conveniently glossed over and people feel we have no right to ask, or they consider the questions irrelavant, there's every reason to suspect someone is re-writing the facts with a prejudice against Christianity. Again, I'll ask you to dig deeper than the face value soft-sell novels that might be informing the ideas that Christianity borrowed from anything.

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I am God.

I am male.

Discussion over.

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Check it out,it is in the history books,and not just my own personal assertions.

It is unsavoury info for modern day christians,but the truth it is.A very large chunk of modern christianity is made of pagan elements.But we won't go into that.

BTW,what is with this "paganophobia" of christians,anyway?Isn't the concept of a supreme creator pagan in origin?I personally don't see what the big deal is,especially if one checks out the definition of paganism.

Even the winged angels of the hebreic literature was lifted from the egyptians who already have "winged" gods and goddesses,and that is not my own personal assertions,either.That has been achaeologically proven to be true.

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Yes,my own personal image of God is that of an androgenous being.I see the creator as a dyad,a being that exist as both male and female,and they coexist equally,complementing each other in perfect harmony.It makes perfect sense because everything in the universe exist in duality,and they say "As above,so below".And if you additionally consider that passage quoted from the book of genesis,well there you have it.

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REMEMBER REVEREND, THE ORIGIN OF GOD CANNOT BE TRACED!!! GOD SAID Let us make man in our image , male and female" REMEMBER, IT WAS THE SECOND CREATION STORY DAT GAVE N ACCOUNT OF THE CREATION OF THE WOMAN VIVIDLY. THE IMAGE OF GOD IS AN IMAGE THAT KNOWS NO SIN.

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