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Is Jesus Christ An 'accursed' Person?

The plan of the jews is to kill jesus christ because they think he is a false prophet. According to their law, a person who dies on the cross is an accursed of God(deut 21:23), and Jesus is not. If therefore the christian accept that jesus died on the cross, then the jews would be right for denying him, if they are not,then the christians should give an explanation for this.

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silly Islamabad, even your corrupt mo hammed dares not refer to Jesus the way you do. I hate arguing about religion.

Go and ask your alfas and study your tira back to back. You will discover your qur'an is a pirated copy of the Holy Bible.

Like my friend said earlier on, the difference is clear.

MO hammed told you fools before his death, there's no way except by Jesus. He told you he himself does not know the way.

Your Alfa's won't tell you the truth. The blind leading the blind. You don't need seer to tell you that your end is disastrous.

Folks, seek knowledge and open your eyes to the truth!

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I am going to open a thread on the topic "the Holy Quran on the death of Jesus", there i will be expecting you.

As for the christians, i am expecting their respond,

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I am going to open a thread on the topic "the Holy Quran on the death of Jesus", there i will be expecting you.

As for the christians, i am expecting their respond,

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I am going to open a thread on the topic "the Holy Quran on the death of Jesus", there i will be expecting you.

As for the christians, i am expecting their respond,

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@Niyi53: You should be able to read enough and learn something from the two sites below. Jesus will only die once, and thats in the future, not here yet.

MSA - Understanding IslamJesus (peace be upon him) will return as a savior of the believers , An examination of the verses about Jesus in the Quran indicates that , That Jesus will come back to earth towards the end of time is related in another verse 43:61. , the last period of time before the Day of Judgment and this will be a sign ,

wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/new_page_34.htm - Cached - Similar -

Jesus Will Return - by Harun YahyaThis may also be a sign that Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will die at a time close to Doomsday , In the end, the reality revealed by the Qur'an is this: "Before Jesus dies, , The verse says that Jesus will return toward the end of time or, ,

www.jesuswillreturn.com/s1_3.html - Cached - Similar -

@Nezan: Run along. This conversation is between those who say their Creator is their Lord Allah, an Unseen, not divisble and always Alive God.

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You do claim that it has been prophesised that he is going to be hanged but you have forgotten that there are prophesises that he is going to be saved. Pls kindly explain to me in what way jesus was similar to jonas in matt. 12:40 and luke 11:29,30.

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I can see that you guys are yet to resolve the issue of Jesus' death, so no need coming here to make baseless posts.

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jazakumulla. I am very grateful. Know that the holy quran mentions clearly the death of jesus, eg:5:116, 3:55. In ch 16:21, God says that all that which is been worshiped(called upon or regarded as god) besides Allah,is dead and not living. Jesus according to the holy quran is among those who are been worshiped and therefore is dead. The holy quran did not mention the second coming of jesus and I WILL BE EXPECTING YOU TO PRODUCE THE VERSE WHICH PREDICT HIS COMING IF YOU DONT ACCEPT MY VIEW. It is the tradition that talks about his second coming. Know that i believe the miraj and isra of the holy prophet.

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@Niyi53: « #44 on: Today at 03:33:54 PM »

When Muhammad (AS) says that Isa bin Maryam was raised up to Allah, the ahadith says it was alive, body and soul! When Muhammad says his own night journey was body and soul, this is how Abu Bakr gained the Title "siddiq" (the truth believer), while others left islam, though Muhammad demostrated he was on the property called masjid Aqsa, and the returning caravan to Makka testified to his presence at night in the resting station he said he encountered them!

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it seems you are not getting my message. My belief is that jesus did not die on the cross, instead he was saved and thereafter migrated to india in search of the lost tribes of israel. He died at the ripe age of 120.

The historian Gwatkin says: "either christ is in the fullest sense divine, or else he is not. If he is, the christians worship two gods: if he is not, they worship a creature. Either way there is no escape from the charge of polytheism"

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Another wishful thinking of mohammed, put into the mouth of one of the idols in the kaaba, Allah. I dont worship idols.

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Why is it that these brainless muslims are fond of spewing out non-sensical posts.

We Christians never deny the death of Jesus, it was through His death that He gave us everlasting life, and ascended up to the Father.

On the contrary, it is you muslims who have been denying the death of Jesus, claiming that He never died on the cross, but was substituted by Judas (such a funny unsubstantiated lie).

Lest I forgot, I read somewhere that you were an ahmadiyya movement follower? so you can educate olabowale on the different sects in Islam.

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Ha ha ha, this brainless chap never ceases to show his low level of reasoning.

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I wonder what is wrong with the brain of an atheist.

The Trinity= YHWH, Jesus and Holy Spirit.

Even if Jesus was YHWH, common sense will tell you that I was referring to God the Father.

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Pathetic muslims, always trying to steal Jesus into the islamic lie to give them some credibility.

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Another set of words put into the mouth of Allah, one of the many idols of the kaaba by mohammed.

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Olabowale.

Pls know that the holy quran did not mention that jesus was raised to heaven, it only says that 'Allah raised him to Himself'. Allah is not confined to a particular place that you would say that a person was raised to Him. The word 'rafa'ha' as used in different places in the holy Quran refers to spiritual exaltation when God is the subject. See chapter 94,ch 7:176,24:36,56:3. Etc.

The holy prophet has also used the word 'warfa'ni' meaning (and raise me) in his supplication in his prayer but he was not raised physicaly but spiritualy. Hazrat umar says Allah will 'rafa'ha' (raise) some people by means of this Quran and He will also abase some. Since all have been reading the quran there has been no raising. The funny thing about the translation is that when the word is used in regards to the Holy Prophet or other prophets, it is translated to mean spiritual uplift but if it is used in regards to jesus, they take it to mean a physical raising. So therefore read the holy quran and ponder over it and dont be misled. For more info visit www.alislam.org

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Pls know that there is a difference between a fairytale and a true story. If you read the book of history, you just dont read it but you have to read it and study it very well. Know that jesus DID NOT travell to kashmir before the event of crucifixion. It was after the event that he travelled.

I am a muslim and i am a member of the ahmadiyya sect.

It is not met that we rely on a false story and think that the truth is gone. Been ignorant of the truth does not falsify it. So therefore try to make more findings about yus asaph and also try to know about the amadis view concerning it by asking them or reading their books and not the books their opponents wrote about them. If i want to know about you i ask you personaly or a true friend of yours or a sermo closer to you cos if i ask your enemy about you, you should not expect that he says the right thing . The prove of the sun is the sun.  For more info www.alislam.org

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@above

Origin of Fantastical tales about Yus Asaf of Rozbal also known as Jesus of Kashmir

According to the fantastical stories the rod of Moses was also originally kept at the grave of Yus Asaf of Khanyar but was later moved to the shrine of Sheikh Zain-ud-din at Aishmuqam, that there is another grave the real grave underneath the present one kept at the location. And so on. The stories are fantastic. Recently some one even wrote a thriller around the stories titled 'Rozabal Line' inspired by the'Rose Line' in "Da Vinci Code". [A BBC series on the Stories, this part of video concerns Jesus in Kashmir]

I first read about - 'Rozbal, Jesus in Kashmir, grave of Yus Asaf (Kashmiri Jesus) at Rozbal Khanyaar, and so on', many years ago as a teenage when one afternoon I discovered a tattered old thin book (don't remember its name) about the Kashmiri Jesus in the Ranbir Singh library of Jammu. I was certainly intriguing, especially at that age.

These fantastic stories about 'Jesus in Kashmir stories' first started doing rounds towards the end of 19th century and were spread and started by Ahmedias. It actually had more to do with power tussle among the Muslims.

Muslims believe Jesus Christ was not crucified but rather ascended straight to heaven. They also believe that his second advent would signal the end of world,  that would be Qiyamat (the Day of Judgement). As opposed to this Ahmedians have their own concept of the last Messiah. Ahmedians believe Christ, wounded and in an unconscious state, was removed from the cross at the last moment and moved to a secret burial altar . Special ointment (marham-i-isa) was applied on his wounds and over days he eventually got better. But then he came out of the burial vault and traveled to the holy land of Kashmir where he taught the lost tribes of Israel, became known as Yus Asaf, lived until the age of 120 and was finally buried at Khanyaar.

Today's the start of 20th century thee stories were picked by visiting foreigners who were already fascinated by the 'Jewish' looking Kashmiris and now by these interesting tales about Kashmiri Jesus.

Sir Francis Younghusband, Resident of Kashmir for three years starting 1906, about these Jesus in Kashmir stories, wrote in his book 'Kashmir' (1911):

    "Other interesting types of Kashmir Mohamedans are found among the headmen of the picturesque little hamlets along the foot-hills. Here may be seen fine old patriarchal types, just as we picture to ourselves the Israelitish heroes of old. Some, indeed, say, though I must admit without much authority, that these Kashmiris are of the lost tribes of Israel. Only this year there died in the Punjab the founder of a curious sect, who maintained that he was both the Messiah of the Jews and the Mahdi of the Mohamedans; that Christ had never really died upon the Cross, but had been let down and had disappeared, as He had foretold, to seek that which was lost, by which He meant the lost tribes of Israel ; and that He had come to Kashmir and was buried in Srinagar. It is a curious theory, and was worked out by this founder of the Quadiani sect in much detail. There resided in Kashmir some 1900 years ago a saint of the name of Yus Asaf, who preached in parables and used many of the same parables as Christ used,as, for instance, the parable of the sower. His tomb is in Srinagar, and the theory of this founder of the Quadiani sect is that Yus Asaf and Jesus are one and the same person. When the people are in appearance of such a decided Jewish cast it is curious that such a theory should exist ; and certainly, as I have said, there are real Biblical types to be seen everywhere in Kashmir, and especially among the upland villages. Here the Israelitish shepherd tending his flocks and herds may any day be seen."

The founder of the sect (Ahmedian) was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian who died in 1908.

The really interesting thing is that at the root of these stories was a Russian Jew converted to Greek Orthodoxy, a man named Nicolas Notovitch ( believed to be the inspiration for the character of Great Game Spy in Rudyard Kipling's Kim).

In 1887 Nicolas Notovitch, visited India and Tibet. Notovitch claimed that during his travels in the Himalayas, at the monastery of Hemis in Ladakh, he came to know about the 'secret life of Jesus' through a 'Tibetan gospel' (that he translated as) "Life of Saint Issa, Best of the Sons of Men." In 1894, Notovitch got this 'unknown gospel' published in French as La vie inconnue de Jesus Christ. And it later became famous 'The Unknown Life of Chris'.

According to this text Jesus at the age of thirteen ( start of his lost years ) traveled to India and learned the local religious of Jains, Hindus and Buddhists and preached to them.

And so the stories go on.

Now, here's the interesting part . . .

To read further http://searchkashmir.blogspot.com/2009/05/origin-of-fantastical-tales-about-yus.html

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He is sitted at the right hand side of YHWH? Haba, Nezan, but you have argued previously that he is YHWH himself! So which one is this "sitting at the ride hand side of HIMSELF?"

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i believe whats in the Quran. qhat happened in india is not in the Quran since the answer is that Jesus was lifted by his Creator, therefore only disbelievers will disbelieve this, without him dying on earth.

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Hello guys!the tomb of Jesus has been discovered in khanyar street,sirnagar india.(for more info, go to this website: www.alislam.org)

Pls you christians why dont you move closer to the muslims and ask them concerning their religion before you start hurling abuse on them? The muslims are talking about Jesus based on what the christians told them.

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Hello guys!the tomb of Jesus has been discovered in khanyar street,sirnagar india.(for more info, go to this website: www.alislam.org)

Pls you christians why dont you move closer to the muslims and ask them concerning their religion before you start hurling abuse on them? The muslims are talking about Jesus based on what the christians told them.

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Hello guys!the tomb of Jesus has been discovered in khanyar street,sirnagar india.(for more info, go to this website: www.alislam.org)

Pls you christians why dont you move closer to the muslims and ask them concerning their religion before you start hurling abuse on them? The muslims are talking about Jesus based on what the christians told them.

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@olabowale;

mohammed went as far as incoporating the Jesus story into the koran to give him some level of credibility which is lacking in islam up till now.

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@olabowale;

No where (including the koran) was mohammed's birth or life prophecied . . . of course he fraudulently became a false prophet out of greed, riding on the ignorance of arabs.

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@olabowale;

The same can not be said of the koran which is a wishful thinking of mohammed to recreate Allah, an arabic idol. He was very dishonest to the point of recounting all biblical accounts and putting them into the mouth of Allah, the arabic idol, thereby recreating the idol and making him into a false and counterfeit god of creation.

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Normally I wouldn't reply you but I don't think you are the dumb type.

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@lightwalk: where is your sarcasm in your declaration of 'truth' that you can see the insidw of a heart? maybe whatever you say there is sarcasm in it; like when you say that jesus is not cursed, or when you say that jesus in God, or when you say that jesus is son of God, or when you say that jesus is fully human and fully God, or when you say that jesus is savior, or when you say that jesus died for three days, or when you say that the wole of old testament is abrogated by a single verse of the new testament's thou shall love thee God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself, etc?

@Nezan; « #3 on: November 20, 2009, 02:00 PM »  

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so it makes two ways and counting to be accursed; the jew believes that hung person has accursed soul. light walk believes confused person has accursed soul. note therefore to struggle against confusion. but what about already hung? finally are you not tellingno truth when you said you already see the unseen, inside of the heart of aa person you are dialoguing with only on the internet?

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@OP: This is the most useless thread I have ever seen:

Anyone who had done the most little basic reading on the Bible will never ask such a foolish question. He died to prove resurrection! He bore pains to show us the way! He is God!

You should start asking your questions from there. No need to pretend as if you favor any person, I can already see the inside of your heart. A confused soul is accursed. Beware!!!

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@Niyi53

Jesus redeemed all from the sin of the corrupted template one man - Adam;

". . . even when you were given birth to, your mother cannot say that the process is easy . . . " - Have you not heard of Glorious birthing?

". . . nor your father or you your self cannot say that you are not striving for your own livelihood . . ." - If GOD is your Jah Jireh, you wont be striving for a livelihood

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But the question remain, can you go on the street and bold say that Mohammed was a child Molester, for marrying an 8yr old child? We all know that will turn to another Jihad war.

So the truth you cannot accept why dont jst let it be. Like an advert says 'THE DIFFERNCE IS CLEAR', and the world knows the difference.

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The god you are claiming to have given his son out for redeemtion of sin seems to be merciless and crooked. He says all souls shall bear their sins themselves, But he is forcing his son, who is not willing to sacrifice his self,because of others. This is an injustice to his son. Moreover he said he can forgive,why cant he does so without the help of any one?

Important note:do you know that the sins which you said Jesus has redeemed you from is still not removed? You said it was the sins of adam and eve and the punishment which was given to them is still been served by every body,even when you were given birth to, your mother cannot say that the process is easy, nor your father or you your self cannot say that you are not striving for your own livelihood.

Therefore,a christian should pls explain to me the sin which jesus has redeemed him from.

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If he died for your sins why are Christians still sinners todays?

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In the days of old, Jews were required to sacrificed animals to God and were required to go and sin no more, hence that verse, which you fail to quote the context in which it was written. God considered sin so serious that nothing less than death is equated with it. "The soul that sins shall die" (Ezekiel 18:4, from the chapter you quoted). We all sin. We all must die. The system of temple sacrifice of animals was designed to bring home the cost of sin to God's covenant people. This is what set them apart from the pagans. They could never drink blood because it symbolised life. They could never spill blood unlawfully because God would hold them to account for that. All those animal sacrifices were symbols pointing to the once-for-all-time sacrifice of God's beloved Son. But as it was God in Christ dying on Calvary, God was paying the price we ought to have paid for our sin! All He asks is for us sinners to believe that, to trust that He is good enough to pay the price and to put all our trust in what He has done. There are no more sacrifices needed, now the perfect sacrifice has been made. Your illustration is typical of someone who takes a light view of sin. Our Holy God takes sin entirely seriously. It alienates us from Him but as we are unable to bridge the gulf, He has done it Himself. The Father gave His Son for the world. He ought to have given the world for His Son - except, He loves us so much.

Jesus came to offer Himself up as the supreme sacrifice so that mercy shall abound. The sacrifice He offered on the cross is sufficient to save you and me, so, sacrifice is no longer desired from us, but we are now saved by grace!

From the sin that entered the world through Adam’s transgression in the Garden of Eden. Hope mohammed did not plagiarise this Biblical account in to the Koran?

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U are these coconut heads boring with islam-imole? they want us to believe that the God of the bible is the same in the Quran yet he allowed them access to 4 wives? A beg make we hear word jo.

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you dont revere any Jesus . . . mohammad simply co-opted the name to lend credibility to his fraud.

lol God says he loves mercy and not sacrifice . . . actually THAT IS THE GOD OF THE BIBLE not the one in the quran. Dont you get tired of STEALING bible verses and trying to plaster them over your Allah?

Is the same Allah who you claim doesnt want sacrifice the one who has you sacrificing rams every year?

Confused islamobot.

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The Jesus whom we muslims revere is not the Jesus who died on the cross. GOD said He loves mercy and not sacrifice, why are you now trying to force upon God what He doesnt like?moreover I would like to ask the christians whether those who were before Jesus were sinners and if there was no righteous person among then?

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probably doesnt make sense to you but it does to me. God doesnt live by your own rules.

The typical unstable muslim . . . isnt this same Jesus the one islam claims to revere? Jesus couldnt save Himself? Yeah and mohammad did?

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why does a god need to die 2 forgive his own creation. does it make sense.

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Whether you accept or not, jesus is dead. This is something supported by the Bible. Visit www.alislam.org/topics/jesus/

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@OP;

The funny thing about your post is that Christians have never denied the death of Jesus on the cross. The other funny thing is the scripture you quoted that any body who dies on a cross is accursed is also from the Christian Bible, and we never deny that, the reason been that the death of Jesus on the cross is the most amazing thing ever that God would do for us, especially since Jesus never committed any sin, so He BECAME a curse on our behalf:

Galatians 3:13

"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree" Deut. 21:22-23*)"

*Deuteronomy 21:22-23

"If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God."

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Look,God is not in need of any sacrifice before he can forgive sins. All what God wants is that people themselves should repent, leave their sins and pray to Him for mercy. GOD has very kindly told us that:but if a wicked man turns away from all his sins which he has committed and keeps all my statues and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.(Ezekiel 18:21)

i desire mercy and not sacrifice (matt. 9:13, 12:7). How can you know what God wants, when he says this?

Moreover what sin are you having that he came to redeem from you that those before Jesus were not redeemed from?

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Pls lets not use offensive words for their god least they start abusing your own God.you know that this is the Quranic teaching.

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