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Is Jesus God?

CHAPTER 4

"Does Bible Say 'Jesus is God'?"

JESUS DENIED DIVINITY

Mark 10:17-18 and Luke 18:18-19

These verses are most indicative of Jesus' position and real nature. The verse in Mark reads:

"As he [Jesus] was setting out on a journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, 'Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?' Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone."

If you analyze this verse in truth you will see that Jesus, quite simply, is not God. If he was, why then would he say "No one is good but God alone"? Jesus did not want to be called "good" because he was not God. That title, as Jesus admits, belongs to none but God.

This subject was actually a part of another book that I have been in the process of writing for a number of years. Considering the fact that I may never finish it, I have taken the liberty to put some of it down on paper and then compared it to findings of other Christian preachers who have come to Islam and you can read that online at:

www.IslamTomorrow.com/bible/son_of_who.asp

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no but go get to God you need to pass through him

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Has Mr Nezan not discovered places in the Bible where Christians are being referred to as servants?

Haba!

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^ and when have you become a child of God? are you not slaves of Allah?

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What a goon ! The son of God is just a literal label for peacemaker and not biological, 'blessed are the peacemaker, for they shall be call the children of God'

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Did no one read my post? If anyone did, y'all would stop the argument. JESUS is LORD, JESUS is GOD. FINAL. The word was with GOD, The word was GOD and that same word manifested itself in flesh (JESUS CHRIST) JOHN Chapter 1 Verses 1 to 14.

Abuzola, you never cease to amaze me. How can you say JESUS is a "SON" of GOD, the same way King David, you and I are "SONS of GOD? I thought you guys believed we are servants of Allah and not his children. I thought we were slaves subject to his will? I think someone is slowly accepting the Christian doctrines and hasn't realized it yet. Glory be to GOD. My prayers are being answered (YES, I pray for you all ) Very soon, you'll be saying JESUS CHRIST is LORD.

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I dont need you to tell me about the uniqueness of Jesus . . . you can never be as holy as He is because He is God!

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Nezan, as usual you have gone round in one big circle. If u tell me jesus is unique as you claim isaac was a unique son of abraham i agree with you. Even though you, i and jesus are all sons of God we must consider jesus as a big brother cos he is more unique and holy than we can ever be.

The problem comes when to try to raise a creature to the level of the creator by ascribing ulterior meanings to  begotten [/b]as different from [b]created. Pls tell us, was jesus created or not?

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Ladies and gent, be the judge, how can a God be spat and beaten ? See mathew 26:67

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^^ What you wrote is typical of a perversed muslim mind . . . just like mohammed who was as ignorant and sexually perversed.

The phrase “only begotten Son” occurs in John 3:16, which reads in the King James Version as, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." The phrase "only begotten" translates the Greek word monogenes. This word is variously translated into English as "only," "one and only," and "only begotten."

So what does monogenes mean? According to the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BAGD, 3rd Edition), monogenes has two primary definitions. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." This is the meaning attached to its use in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son." Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant.

The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16. In fact, John is the only New Testament writer who uses this word in reference to Jesus (see John 1:14, 18; 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9). John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus was the Son of God (John 20:31), and he uses this word to highlight Jesus as uniquely God's Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God's sons and daughters through faith.

The bottom line is that terms such as "Father" and "Son," that are descriptive of God and Jesus, are human terms used to help us understand the relationship between the different Persons of the Trinity. If you can understand the relationship between a human father and a human son, then you can understand, in part, the relationship between the First and Second Persons of the Trinity. The analogy breaks down if you try to take it too far and teach, as some Christian cults (such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses), that Jesus was literally "begotten" as in “produced” or “created” by God the Father.

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The xtian tells us jesus is begotten not made

they claim Adam and evry other man was made and that jesus was beggoten.

But when we ask, what does this begotten mean? They cant answer, cos deep in their hearts they knw what it implies but they are too ashmed to admit that their God had to condescent to the lower animal function of [b]sex [/b]with a mere mortal!

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JESUS CHRIST IS THE REVELATION OF ALMIGHTY GOD,THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF GOD,PART OF GOD THE FATHER

COMMITED ALL THING TO HIM ,NOTHING WAS CREATED WITHOUT HIM .HE IS GOD ,EQUAL IN POWER,GLORY MAJESTY.

GOD DWELLS FULLY IN HIM.YOU ARE LOOKING FOR GOD IS JESUS,HIS BLOOD CREATE A PASSAGE IN ETERNITY FOR REBELLIOUS HUMAN RACE.

HE IS THE DOOR,WAY.HIS BLOOD IS THE KEY,PASSWORD TO UNLOCK HEAVEN GATE.

OH HE IS THE GREAT SPRINKLE BLOOD,GREAT EAGLE OF GOD,ENDLESS TREASURE.

HE IS COMING BACK ALL EYES WILL BEHOLD HIM.

THANKS

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Nezan is a weird cross worshipper

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^ Alhaja, what does your err . . koran say of the virgin birth? are you asking me?

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Pastor Nezan is this true? Begotten son , Please can u tell us who the Wife that begot this son is?.Meaning that ur god has a wife that begot the son.

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'verily, it is of their falsehood that they say God has begotten ? And verily they are liars' Quran 37:151-152

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Shame on u, can God die ? Can enemy of God kill God ? Didn't the jews kill the xtrian God on da cross, he even cried, mathew 27:46 hahaha

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^^ Who blasphemed against God? Mohammed who was dubiously ascribing words to Allah when he knew he was plagiarising from Christians/Jews/arabic fairy tales or Christians who are trying to lead you to eternal knowledge of God?

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Jesus is not God, you people are disgracing the heavenly God, so stop ur blasphemy

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Read John1 From the first to the 20th verse. "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with GOD and the word was GOD" Emphasis on, "THE WORD WAS GOD" As you read on, you'll see that the word became Flesh(JESUS) and was sent to save us all.

Don't be confused, JESUS is LORD and HE is GOD. They are one with the HOLY SPIRIT. They are real, always have been, always will be. Reach out to HIM and HE'll touch you just as HE touched me. Please do not let anyone tell you otherwise for that would be putting eternity in jeopardy. I pray for all who seek the answer, I pray that they find it.

Remember, Read John 1:1-20

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^^ Is this thread about Trinity or about Jesus' Divinity? please stop derailing the OP.

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@ the seeker; you choose Biblical verses to quote and neglect others? you have to understand the Bible in whole and not in parts.

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@The Seeker/ Noetic -

The words of Jesus:

John 8:40: “, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.”

John 17:3: "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

Mark 13:32:"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

John 5:19: "Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does”

John 14:28: "You heard me say,'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

John 20:17: "Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them,'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”

Mark 10:18: “Do not call me good, only God is good.”

John 17:20-23: “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.”

Guys from the foregoing there can be NO DOUBT, that Jesus NEVER, NOT EVEN FOR ONE SECOND, regarded himself as God. Notwithstanding anything the hero-worshipping Apostles will tell you. But even they said a lot to show that they didn’t think so –

1Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

1 Peter 1:3: “Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Acts 2:22 - “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.”

Acts 2:36: “God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

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nezan i can answer your every single post and prove to you that not a single of them confirm the diety of christ. You are either qouoting out of contextt or misinterpreting the text. Jesus too sensed this confusion that is why he said.

"your Father and My Father, your God and my God"

he uses the power of similie to explain his true relationship with God so that even a child can understand. This answers all your past and future questions on the diety of christ.

Nezan pls do urself a favor and dissapear from this thread like your brother noetic did and stop embarrasing urself.

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Noetic -

I promised you $1 million if you could show me a single verse in the Bible where Jesus himself claimed to be God.

It appears that you either do not like money or you are running away, having realized that Jesus himself never claimed to be God?

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It still did not change the fact that jesus said,'i am God or worship me'

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@ 'pastor' the seeker; You were analysing Biblical verses, I only quoted these verses so that you will analyse them for me too, or are you suddenly developing cold feets on your analysis?

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nezan u have posted a page full of ambigous verses to synthesize your point. All i needed is a simple statment where jesus unequivocally says he is God. There is no religious scripture on the face of the earth where a true God (or even a false one) is afraid of declaring himself. I will leave u with a simple reeponse to your futile attempt to 'create' a God that never was.

" I (jesus) am returning to my Father and your Father, My God and your God"

john 20, 17

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Who is deleting my post.

@nezan, where did jesus forgave sin, show us

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And did David claim the powers to forgive sins? The Jews wanted to kill Jesus on this claim . . . yes! Jesus forgave sins because He is God! . . . . and when do muslims start calling Dawood, son of God? arent they slaves of Allah?

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Begotten ?

David was begotten son of God see psalm 2:7.

Nezan is a liar

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@abuzola; While I am a child of God, Jesus is the only Begotten Son of God. He bought us with his blood, and made us co-heirs of the kingdom together with Himself. . . . and I wonder when muslims start believing that God has children, when they refer to themselves as slaves of Allah.

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Story, story story, where did jesus said,'i am God worship'

.the same way jesus was the son of god so are you, so whats da difference

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pastor seeker, explain this too:

John 6:46 (New International Version)

46No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

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@ the seeker; Analyse these verses too, pastor ;

Mark 14:61-62 (New International Version)

61But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.

Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?"

62"I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

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Luke 5:20-24 (New International Version)

20When Jesus saw their faith, he said, "Friend, your sins are forgiven."

21The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, "Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?"

22Jesus knew what they were thinking and asked, "Why are you thinking these things in your hearts? 23Which is easier: to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'? 24But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins, " He said to the paralyzed man, "I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home."

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noetic is such a fraud. The tell tale signs when he wants to lie or pull wool over our eyes is that he makes refernce to a verse without ever quoting it or simply quoting out of context. Let take a look at  john 10, 23-38

23. And jesus walked in the temple in solomon's porch

24. Then the jews surrounded him and said "how do you keep us in doubt? If you are the christ, tell us plainly"

25. Jesus answered them "i told you, and you do not believe. The works that i do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me

26. "But you do not believe because you are not of my sheep, as i said to you.

27. "My sheep hear my voice, and i know them, and they follow me.

28. "And i give them eternal life, any they shall never perish neither shall anyone snatch them out of my hand.

29. "My Father who has given them to me is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch out of my Father's hand

30. "i and my Father are one

31. "Then the jews took up stones again to stone him

32. Jesus answered them "Many good works which i have shown you from my Father. For which of those works do you stone me?"

33. The jews answered him saying "For a good work we do not stone you but for blasphemy, and because you being a man make yourself God.

34. Jesus answered is it not written in your law, 'i say, "you are gods"'?

35. If he called them gods to whom the word of God came (and the scriptures cannot be broken)

36. "Do you say of him whom the father has sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming, 'You are blaspheming', 'because i said 'i am the Son of God'?

37. "If i do not do the works of my Father, do not believe me.

38. "But if i do, though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you amy know and believe that the father is in me and i in Him.

Analysis

23-27 the jew are harrasing jesus, asking if he is Christ. He confirms that he is thou they do not believe him

28-30 he confirms that no one can snatch his sheep from his hand or his fathers since He gave them him and he is one with his father (in terms of purpose) 

31 the jews always looking for faults in everything he says took his statment of equating himself with God literaly and thus blasphemy

32 jesus was confused wondering why he deserves the stoning for doing good works that his father sent him. He wasnt thinking they misundertand his statement abt his relationship with God literally.

33 the jew now told him they were angry not for his works but cos he equated himself with God (based on their literal interpretation)

34-36 now jesus undertants their problem. Then he reminds them that God called them (jews) 'god'. He was now asking what is blasphemos if he says he is 'Son of God' when even the common jesus was called 'god'

37-38 he reminds them again that by the works his father gave to him, they are one in purpose

conclusion

the jews as well as noetic misunderstood jesus word as literal (a man that speaks in parables). There are sons of god by the tons in the bible. David is even called his begotten son and another person his first born. Before you start exponding on 'i and the father are one' pls read the verse below.

Jonn 17, 21

"that they (the diciples) may all be one, as You Father are in Me, and I in You. That they may be one in Us, that the world may believe you sent me

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Hahaha, see noetic covered in delusion, he can't even explain how god became a son. *RIRE*

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my question was largely directed at deepSight. I did not expect u to be rational/intelligent enough to come up with something. So wait till deepSight asks ur question.

Hint: How did the israelites react when He said He was the Son of God? what meaning did they deduce from His words?

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noetic pls tell us what 'SON' means in the bible and stop playing hide and seek

we are waiting

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John 3:3

Jesus answered and said unto Him

"Except a man is born again he shall not see the kingdom of God. . "

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please tell us. We are waiting

there is nobody as evasive as this noetic dude on NL. Whenever u corner him, he simply claims u dont understand the bible.

Pls watch out for his predictable response

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is this an argument?

what do understand by the word "SON" as used in the bible?

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Noetic is the son of Papa-Noetic. He is as such Papa-Noetic

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A God that was mudered by his daddy in cold blood just to forgive our sins.

I wonder how daddy must have felt when baby God cried to him, Eli Eli Eli lama sabachtnahi (my God my God my God why have thou forsaken him me)

couldnt He simply have forgiven us without all this gory drama?

this is most disguting concept of God ever concieved by man. Even animal dont treat their sons as such.

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Hahahaha, english is a problem

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'verily, the hypocrites seek to deceive Allah but it is He who deceives them' Quran 4:142

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I do not believe in Allah in fact I mock him all the time and I do not see him punishing me with severe torment in this world. . . . .are you sure the koran is not lying to you?

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Hahahaha see noetic in a confused manner

'As for those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers' Quran 3:56

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Jesus is the SON of God. . . .He is as such God.

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