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Is Military Killing In War Bible Justified?

This is one question i keep asking myself and men of God but the answers i get aren't contending enough to stop my quest to know. The answers are most times one-sided. this is it ''Is the military killings in war Justified'' I know the Ten Commandments say, "Thou shalt not kill" (Exodus 20:13, KJV). But the Bible also has stories about battles where lots of people were killed. Will God look down on people(army) who have killed someone(army) defending their Country?

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@op NO

But is all part of an elaborate ploy to try and justify nowadays war thirsty tyrants,

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genocides and mass murders were supported and tacitly backed the merciful God ( stark contradiction ). killings committed in the name of war are not different from murders. no killing is justified.

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How does one feel the heat that your god radiates?

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Bongo.If u see a true xtian/strong beliver,they might be scared to shed blood.More so xtianity came into being after Jesus,in which christian was carved out of christ.As a follower of christ,u must emulate his life style.He never killed,fought/destroyed.D bible described in as a person who never sinned.As for army,strong follower will run away,while an indifferent one may join.To me motives matters.As a soldier y did u kill? Were u defending ur self or it was intentional? These ques comes into mind easily

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Bongo.If u see a true xtian/strong beliver,they might be scared to shed blood.More so xtianity came into being after Jesus,in which christian was carved out of christ.As a follower of christ,u must emulate his life style.He never killed,fought/destroyed.D bible described in as a person who never sinned.As for army,strong follower will run away,while an indifferent one may join.To me motives matters.As a soldier y did u kill? Were u defending ur self or it was intentional? These ques comes into mind easily

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a'ight Mazaje:

will check your links. Try google "psychic detectives" too.

Charman V:

why'd you disappear?

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IF THEY CAN'T SEE THE SUN, THEY CAN FEEL ITS HEAT. there's a funny thing about the blind or those who close their eyes to keep from seeing the sun: even though they cannot see it, yet when it shines in its full strength, the heat it radiates can nevertheless be felt. So it is indeed true that atheism is rightly defined as a denial of God in the midst of knowledge of His existence.

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If it werent the God of the bible we would have been worshipping something else. The God of the bible is the creator of the universe Heaven and earth Gen1 so we serve the God that created the universe

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IF THEY CAN'T SEE THE SUN, THEY CAN FEEL ITS HEAT. there's a funny thing about the blind or those who close their eyes to keep from seeing the sun: even though they cannot see it, yet when it shines in its full strength, the heat it radiates can nevertheless be felt. So it is indeed true that atheism is rightly defined as a denial of God in the midst of knowledge of His existence.

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Show that a creator exists please. And who are the people that don't like reality?

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No sir.  The same pple that doesn't like reality derailed the thread by questioning the existence of God their creator.

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Sure. It is a very valid argument. So it's absurd to believe that "something came from nothing" (not that any atheist I know believes that), but it's perfectly logical to postulate a timeless, eternal, transcendent being? I think you miss entire point of the question "Who created God? It's a rhetorical question, intended to rebut the "first cause" argument for God. If God is an "uncaused cause," then uncaused existence is possible. Then why can't the universe itself be uncaused? There's no reason to add the additional step of postulating a God. Moreover, even if we accept the existence of a first cause outside the temporal universe, you haven't begun to show that it is the "God of the Bible," you simply asserted it.

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You have NOT seen everything in the universe, You have not seen the beginning of anything in space so on what basis did you come to the conclusion that everything that has a beginning has a cause? Tell me have you ever seen the beginning of the universe? How then do you know that it has a cause?

And your evidence to show that the universe had a beginning is what?

On what basis did you conclude that the universe has a cause?

Where is this god, have you seen, touched, spoken to it? The universe requires a cause because of what? Your evidence to show that the universe is not eternal is what?.

When will you stop talking about what people imagined and wrote about a god? You have not even shown or provided any evidence to show that there is a god that exists on it own, You are just equivocating here. You will have to show that there is a god first of all before you tell us about it inhibiting eternity.  Both theist and atheist believe in a brute fact, your "uncaused cause." Secularists like me call it The Cosmos. Creationists and theist like you call it God. The Cosmos is very easy to demonstrate that it exists. God, on the other hand, is not.

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Cool.

That is in terms of a 'closed system', not necessarily in questions of origins science.

I don't know - if I did, I would not be asking you about how matter came into existence on its own, would I?

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Are we still talking about military killing here?

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Here are the words of a former atheist as regards Ur inquiries

'I asked the professor which of the particular theories was the one that is most acceptable and that satisfactorily explains the creation of matter from nothing. He leaned over the desk and looked me straight in the eye and said, "Young man, you need to learn to ask intelligent questions." That rather upset me. I did not appreciate that and I said, "Well, what do you mean?" He said, "This is not a question that a scientist tries to answer. This is a question for the philosopher or theologian, but this is not something that falls into the realm of science." In today's discussions of black holes and parallel universes, things have not changed. The basic question of the creation of matter/energy from absolutely nothing is not an area that can be scientifically explored. I was very disturbed by that answer. I had always felt that science could ultimately answer all the questions that man had--that there was nothing that science could not eventually take care of as far as what man might challenge and want to know about. Yet this learned man, an expert in his field, said that this was an area that the scientist should not even try to answer--that it was totally beyond the capacity of science to explain and explore.'

With these u shd know God is the Supreme being and the all knowing

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This is quite true. Discussions like these are in the domain of philosophy.

I don't know, but I thought matter can neither be created or destroyed? If I may ask how did god create matter out of nothing using words?

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God says He inhabits eternity (Isaiah 57:15). Does eternity denote 'time' as well?

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I am also using the same bible and in it the god of the bible says he is the beginning and the end. These are not words i made up but words that are found inside the bible which you believe to be the words of your god in one way or the other. Beginning and the end denotes time. No god spoke any history before it came into being, men wrote down and alleged that some god spoke history before it came into existence, As long as you are yet to provide any god to speak for it self and say anything for it self. I don't think you expect me to take anything you say seriously.

There is no fact for me to accept because you have not provided any fact at all. I know that is is quite difficult to accept that somethings have no beginning and no end, but you do accept that there is a god even though you have never seen, it that exists with out a beginning. There is no reason to believe that the universe must function as a human society where everything must have a beginning and an end. The universe is NOT a human society and there is no reason that it must act like one. It is very possible that it is eternal.

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A number of skeptics ask this question u asked together with some illogical ones like Who created God? and To whom is the bachelor married?

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1. Everything which has a beginning has a cause.1

2. The universe has a beginning.

3. Therefore the universe has a cause.

Its important to stress the words in bold type. The [b]universe requires a cause because it had a beginning, as will be shown below. God, unlike the universe, had no beginning, so doesn't need a cause. In addition, Einstein's general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space.[/b]Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time God is the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity (Isaiah 57:15). Therefore He doesn't have a cause.

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Actually, it does - pointing to the Universe as evidence for a Creator helps the case for the existence of God.

Discussions like this are in the domain of philosophy, not naturalism. But for now, I would only say this: if you know of any science that shows how matter created all of existence on its own, please share.

Notice I have not concluded anything for 'God' in that request; rather, I have afforded you an opportunity to demonstrate the philosophical underpinnings of your own worldview but focusing on just one thing: matter.

I don't think that there's any gain in these kinds of discussions where people based their arguments on faulty logic. All these ideas about 'previous big crunch' etc etc are clevers ways of sounding dense (no offence) because more often than not they are dressed up with all sorts of cosmetic language of "it could be the result of" so-and-so. It sounds more like kids taking turns to guess wildly at some star-trek movie scences without saying anything workable and concrete. Such ideas of 'previous big cruch' do not say zilch about existence at all or how matter came into being in the first place! Even if the question of any Creator is left out of the equation, how does matter spring into existence entirely on its own?

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U re very wrong, The Bible informs us that time is a dimension that God created, into which man was subjected. It even tells us that one day time will no longer exist. That will be called “eternity.” God Himself dwells outside of the dimension He created (2 Timothy 1:9, Titus 1:2). He dwells in eternity and is not subject to time. God spoke history before it came into being. He can move through time as a man flips through a history book.

Because we live in the dimension of time, it is impossible for us to fully understand anything that does not have a beginning and an end. Simply accept that fact, and believe the concept of God's eternal nature the same way you believe the concept of space having no beginning and end—by faith—even though such thoughts put a strain on our distinctly insufficient cerebrum.

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I will show you just hang on.

Let me begin here, You are only saying that your god created the universe without providing any evidence to show that there is a god, that exists on its own. Does god exists? Point to it and show how it exists or that it exists on its own, pointing to the universe does NOT help your case at all. If you accept that un-caused existence is possible why not accept that the universe is un-caused?  Even the Big bang model does not say that the universe had a[i] beginning[/i]. It simply states that the universe (or more specifically, all the energy/matter composing the physical 'stuff' in the universe) was a singularity.  It makes no attempt to describe what came before.  It could have popped out of 'nothing' (ie, from a quantum fluctuation or the like), it could be the result of a previous 'Big Crunch' as in the oscillating universe theory, it could be part of something else or some other explanation.

Either God must be outside the laws of the universe, or he must- at the minimum- have preceded the rest of the 'stuff' in the universe, in order to have a hand in its creation.  The second option leaves the possibility that such a being is not actually omnipotent or omniscient, even if possessed of vast power. But even the bible which talks about your god does not say that he exists outside of time. In the bible god is alleged to have said that he is the begging and the end, This alone denotes time and the god the bible talks about exist within time. The bible does NOT say that the god it talks about exists outside of time. The begging and the end denotes time.

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Prove its baselessness my brother so i may know

That cant possibly be, God whom i said created the universe, couldnt have been a being like the universe. If he(God) were a being that exists in time and so that came into existence, then it too would have to have been created by something. Nothing comes from nothing, not even God.

My above posts which to u is baseless, tells us that the ultimate cause of the universe must never have come into existence; the ultimate Creator must be a being that exists outside of time, an eternal being with neither beginning nor end.

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You have not said anything that is factual or true. You just make baseless claims and that's it. If we are to go by your assertions then we also have to accept that some thing created your god also.

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Your evidence to show that this theory of yours is true so that it should not be discarded as the drivel it is is what?

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According to who? Your evidence to show that this theory is true is what?

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How do you know that the universe popped out of something? No body knows that for sure, No body really knows what it is. it could be a multiverse, we just know very little about it. The universe could be eternal and there is no reason to think that it is not.

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Killing is unchristian, period.  The early Christians never killed any of their persecutors.

When Peter attacked a man who wanted to arrest Jesus, Jesus rebuked him.

You don't have to call yourself a Christian, but if you do, then be a real Christian!

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Mazaje+others.Do u beliv dat there is a begining for evrything? Also dat there cant be a cause without it being caused? The universe didnt pop out without it been caused by a force powerful than d universe.

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Science does not claim to have an answer to everything, and it also does not claim to know it all. . . .It is a dynamic process that is always making progress. . . .There was  a time when people did not even know what that the stars were distant suns or that some micro organisms cause diseases. . . .the fact that science does not know something today does not mean it will not have the knowledge tommorow. . . . .

So what if programs on the paranormal abound? Does that make it any real? Different  mythical stories about mammy water abound in Nigeria, does that make true?. . . .Different programs about paranomal abound means people are talking about the paranomal and thats all, it doesn't give credence to their stories, claims and statements about it. . . .Here is a quote from wikipedia about the paranomal

While the results of such experiments are regarded by some parapsychologists as having demonstrated the existence of some forms of psychic abilities,[6] the consensus of the scientific community is that psychic abilities have not been demonstrated to exist. Parapsychology

If you can provide credible and conclusive evidence that can be objectively measured to show that god or the spirit world exist please do so. There are TV shows detailing stories about alien abductions and other stuff, are we supposed to accept these non evidential claims because we see programs about them on TV?

I do not know if this has been done before, but even if it has it only says one thing, and that is that there is more to know about how the brain functions and more about what it can do. . . . . .It could be that there is this ability that the brain has that humans are yet to explore, discover and understand. . . . .There are a lot of atheist that are psychics. . . .Darren Bown and James Randi are just a few, google them up and see watch some of their videos on Youtube. . . . .I will recommend  that you watch "The so called Messiah" videos on youtube by Darren Brown. . . . . .

If there is a spirit world out there, No body has been able to show that it exist, all we have are various claims and counter claims with NOTHING at all to show that these claims are objectively true. . . . . Saying that your god whose existence is NOT self evident but depends only on what humans chose to make of him has the right to do as he will is nothing other than saying that I can make my god do what ever I want to make him do just to rationalize what have been written about him. . . . . . .If your god has the right to do as he will,  then Allah also has the right to do as he wills and tell the moslems to kill of all the christians and other unbelievers no? Last time I checked Allah is also a god no? and he also has the right to do as he wills no?. . . .

The concept of god the father comes from the bible, Its funny how you are just cherry picking the definition of the god you want the bible to talk about and present it as if that is how the bible has defined the god it is talking about. . . .The bible was written by so many different people, each with a different concept of how it sees the god it is talking about. . . .To some of the writers this god they imagine is a loving, providing and protecting father figure, to the others he is a warrior, spiteful and vengeful god of deztruction and war. . . .What ever concept that came into their mind the wrote it down and presented it to the people and made them accept it. . . .Since all you have as your evidence to show for this god is the writings by which the god inventors left behind, you just have to walk on a fine line by having to choose from what they have writen and create a god out of it. . . If you want a fatherly and loving god, the bible is there for you to create such a god from, you want a god of justice, fear, spite, anger and destruction, the bible is there to give you such a god. . . . . .There is NO true definition of what Yahweh, Jehova or Elohim in the bible, infact he has different names in the bible depending on the name the writer chooses to ascribe unto him, in some places his name is Yahweh in others Jehovah and in others he is Elohim. . . . .He is addresed with different names with different meanings. . . . .All depending on what the writer wants and chooses. . . 

Of course you have to agree with him, how will will you keep pushing your god to the relm of the unknown?. . .What you are simply saying here is that your god is nothing. . . .

There is nothing like Christianity because christians have no one definition of who or what their god is. . . .The definition rest on what the people want and how they chose to self project them selves as god. . . . . .There is no universal Christianity that is accepted by all. . . .Even the bible does not have a universal version. . . . .It all depends on what people make out of what the ancient people wrote down and what they choose to do with it. . . . .

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On the possibility of the existence of God, look at the many experiences out of the ordinary that reason and science can't handle - programs on the paranormal abound nowadays. So do tv shows detailing psychic activity used by the US police to solve crimes. Yet we just place a blanket and say God (and the spirit world) doesn't exist. When its proven that it was the visions or "leads" of a psychic that led police to the apprehension of a criminal, do you say the psychic is deluded? If there is a spirit world, it stands to reason there is a leader there. Progressing from that premise, there is a natural progression to the "God concept". Its not a dream, delusion or idiocy. Its a fact and He has right to do as He wills.

The concept of a "good", "father-figure to only our church", "deadly and tithe collecting shylock" God comes from organized "business" Christians. The Bible provides only one definition of God BY God. It says "I am that I am". Nothing apologetic there. Other definitions include that "He shows mercy to whom He will and to whom He won't, He doesn't" and "The clay cannot ask the potter, what makest thou?" and that "He is Jealous". Words like loving, fatherly, friendly etc are man's attempts to describe something thats undescribable. When DeepSight appears with his theories of God being something nobody cannot understand, I tend to agree with him though not accepting all his theories.

Some have come out of the organizations that do exactly what you have said above and many are not even seen as Christianly (by the organized churches) any longer. However, they are Christians like should be. Using the "herd instinct" christians as a type stamp for all is not right.

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Dats d diff btw us&atheists.Instead of us to be ignorant like u folks,we decide to seek after a mysterious God whom no1 hav seen,but we experience his works daily.D sun,moon,stars,rain,winter&summer comes at intervals as designed by God.Would any atheist tell me d source of d above works of nature?

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I guess this is the part where i get scared and beg for forgiveness.

all you have here is a bunch of conjecture and a weak attempt to linking the christian God to creation.

what's the point of religion if God is a mystery no man can determine? why worship sometime you admittedly have no clue about? you see how silly you religious folks can sound at times?

quick question - was the recent earthquake a sign of God been "just too much"

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Mazaje+others.U know absolutely nothing about God,cus if u do by a little u wouldnt av doubted his existence.God is a misery&his ways no man can determine.D more u doubt,d more confused u get.I once asked how could it be possible 4 a little sperm to get into a womb&it turns into a living being wit all functioning organs? Till today no1 av been able to make a replica of man/woman.God is just too much.This is a misery which will continue to confuse atheist

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The problem is not about god its about you and what you believe. . , You have been made to believe that there is a god that will harm or kill others because they do not believe in the version of stories that men wrote about him. . . . .You see, your entire religion and belief relies ONLY on fear, that is what makes you accept these absurd, ridiculous and pathetic mythical stories about some god figure which others invented a god figure which you have never seen, can not even describe how it looks like or what shape or form it has. How will your mythical belief function if you were not conditioned to accept it based on fear? How will you believe in all these mythical tales if you are not promised that those of you that accept it will go to some where good when you die, while those that reject it will go to some where bad(By the way the soul it self is another mythical construct). . . .The human mind is a very very complex and powerful thing. . . . .We have all been there before we all have been indoctrinated and we all know how it feels, we also know about the meaningless fear that is involved in the indoctrination and conditioning. . . . .There is NO god that will deal with atheist mercilessly, I know that you will like that god to exist, but sorry it does not, its only your imaginations and the mental conditioning that exists. . .Nothing more. . . . . .

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@Toba

Do you know that there is NO difefrence between the god ot the OT and Allah?. . . . . .

What if I point out that yahweh cannot even live up to his own standards? For example, yahweh gave the commandment not to commit murder. But what should we call it when yahweh kills the first born of every Egyptian household because of what the unelected, unimpeachable pharaoh did due to yahweh heardening his heart? How is that not mass murder? According to the story yahweh hardened the heart of the Egyptian king and ended up killing all the first borns of the Egyptians because of what their king did, Again how is that not mass murder?. . . . As for taking morality from the bible, it is good you can cherry pick the nice fluffy parts of the bible and come up with a set of ethics that doesn't put you a foul of the law. But, not all chrisians are able to do that and often the results are tragic. The bible can be used for good or evil it really depends on how the users self projects himself as god. . . . . .Just admit your preferences and don't hide behind biblegod to justify them.

As for yahweh there is nothing moral, just, or ethical about him. I will not equivicate on this issue. Yaweh is not possible and he is one of the most vile invention of mankind. . . .I did not say it the bible says it. . . .As some one has pointed out even Christian apologist are now TIRED of justifying the action of the OT god, they now tacitly admitt that yahweh is evil. . .They just cover up with words like its a mystery etc and move on. . . . .

- Man created god in his image: intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent.

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same as always - when confronted with their confusion , meaningless blather . better christians than you have come out and said it as it is - they do not understand /cannot reconcile the god of the OT.

so are you implying that all the people of haiti 'sinned against god'?

no wonder you spend so much time attempting to knock Islam - must be hard when you're so confused

Thats it dnt question me. Its a case of hire and fire

later they will come and be disturbing us with 'our god forgives all and other stories'

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God seems to run earth like the ruthless boss of a sweat shop. This is the same God that speaks of agape love. talk about leading by example, oh wait

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God remains unchanged but passionate. Jesus remains God till eternity, cus Jesus was the appearance of God in Human Flesh who lived a normal life like evry normal individual. If any1 changes his evil ways God will in turn change to the fellow its simple. God operated in the OT according to their Evil ways but when they repented they enjoyed. Deuteronomy 14 says 'if' i.e do well and get well, do bad and reap bad. Jesus affirmed same principle by warning pple to repent fron their bad ways.

God is the same as Jesus. U re only confused cus u re still in d dark and in contention for evalasting heat in hell

God is love from everlasting to everlasting. The principle of God is Do well and reap well. God will never punish any1 unjustly. The same laws of the land must be obeyed so as the laws of God.commit crime u go to jail, sin against God get purnished

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typical confusion - i thought jesus was God - the God that never changes, the god that is 'good all the time' . your duplicity and confusion is unsurprising - you lot are disgusting switching between the OT and NT like a switch - consistency is far from you.

God is love - until haiti - when God is punishing unbelievers - keep running in circles - your unchanging god sanctioned molest, genocide , and total annihilation of unbeleivers

keep in mind that the OT is from bc to the beginning of time (millenia )- while the nt is from bc to now (barely 2000 years)

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U re correct If u checked my above post u will read my post about jesus. But U cant call the us army christian army. There are differences btw a political war and religious war. A religious war is what happens in Nigeria when moslems,christian and Traditional bilivers clash. But when countries engage in war its not religious cus in a country u have atheist, moslems xtians etc in the army so its vioded of religious war.

During the last boko haram crises in Nigeria, The police was shown on Aljazeera tv killing the captured boko haram sect members, That killing is not religious since we have moslems and xtians as a member of the force. When u defend ur territory, its diff 4rm religious war.

Hope u re no longer confused

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Thats it dnt question me. Its a case of hire and fire

Where i work presently, i signed an agreement to abide by the rules of the firm. Once i disobey, the mgt can fire me or get me any purnishment that suits my offence. Same applies to God

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I thought you believe in God, why this above statement in bold, I used to follow your reasoning but maybe I didn't get u.

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Now that can only come from a deity after my heart.No wonder yahwito has to threaten and coerce in order to find someone to, atleast, pretend to love him.It is not the most easy thing in the world to love such an Naughty Person.He is what he is, the poor sod.

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awww talk about convenience. i brought you into this world so i can take you out anytime.

don't question me!!!!

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Tell us why you're really angry. . .cry cry baby.

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Nice nuclearboy.

Even if God allows d killing of pple in d OT bible,he created them in d first place,if he allows them to die no1 can challenge/question him.If i kill any1 d law of d land would be invoked against me,but no1 can fight God/take him to court.God is d supreme being&unquestionable.

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@Toba:

Thanks for your spermatozoa idea. I remember it starts with quite a large number of these fighting for the honor of fertilization (i.e. winning). So we end up saying that any human is a winner and won that race because spermatozoa are individuals and only one got there first.

Yet, we find some wannable "atheists"; whose only claim to atheism remains belligerent noise-making and anguished screams of more, harder I don't believe without concise understanding of what is not believed, saying life is about insulting groups of their peers and BETTERS simply because they belong to a belief system which showed their personal lapses in ways uncomfortable to them.

Such state that life is a parody, a smile, an insult, a dance of masquerades and fools rather than war. How the spermatozoa that became these won the first battle escapes me. As I said in another thread, its sad the the idiots are taking over

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If ordinary sperm as little as it is.Not even up to a table spoon,enters into a womans womb&forms a living being with all d systems i.e respiratory,excretory,digestive&reproductory all function in d being,which is supernatural,yet some folks still believes dat no SUPREME BEING is responsible for dis misery,i repeat they are d most confused pple created by d SUPREME BEING.

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At poster,

you have reduced God to a robot who does not know that there is need for you to defend yourself.

If a man made law can set someone free for killing based on self defence, how would God not understand that the is need for you to defend yourself and your territory.

My brother if you let urself being killed by the enemies and did nothing to defend urself, you have urself to be blame. In fact you are guilty of foolishness and ignorance.

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