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Is Terrorism A Muslim Problem?

All over the western world today if you happen to find yourself in an airport and the name on your passport bears any semblance to an Islamic name or you look like someone from the middle-east, security officials treat you with suspicion, you undergone extra security checks and fellow passengers are even wary of you? Is terrorism a muslim problem?

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@Dayokanu: KKK use the Bible to do their deeds> If that is not christianity, then I do not need the Bible or Christianity. Of course, you know thatI donot need it. In my university days in West virginia, the Senior Senator, Robert Byrd was pelted with food when he came to our school. Please know that the Bible was used to fortress te trade of man known as Slave trade. Whites still use the Bible to discriminate, even today in America. In the Bible, you have Conniness of Jacob over his brother Esau, the support came from their mother against their blind father! In the Bible, Ichmael who was a child was discriminated against and sent away with his young mother into a desert and was even called wild! This was the first son of a prophet who God Himself called friend! What a book and what a religion! I am trying to imitate Davidylan in his slapstick tirades. Boy, he is good> No wa o.

@Havila: Mutamushiki is not in the Qur'an. It is a term coined using the original word Mushrik, which is in the Qur'an in all its form to describe a later group like John Esposito and others who hold scholarships in Islamic theory but never practice and always wanting to bring Islam down from the honored place that God the Almighty Allah has placed it. You know that they will never suceed. You Havila, do not have any qualification to be called a Mutamushrik. Plainly you are a Kufar and Mushrik, for now. You book of life is not complete until death overtakes you, so there is hope for everyone alive.

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As a percentage of Islam, how many of them are terroist or extremist

less than 1%?

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@HAVILA

To fully understand Q9:5, one has to start from verse one:

1: Freedom from all obligations is declared from GOD and HIS Messanger to the polytheists, idolator etc with whom you have made a TREATY

2:so travel FREELY as you will idolators, polytheists etc for FOUR months THROUGHOUT THE LAND,

3:And a declaration frm GOD & His Messanger to mankind on d greatest day that GOD is free from all obligations to the idolators, polytheists etc and so is His Messanger. SO IF U REPENT (i.e idolators polytheists etc) it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know you cannot escape from the punishment of GOD

4:Except those of the idolators, polytheists with whom you made TREATY, AND WHO HAVE NOT SUBSIQUENTLY FAILED you in aught, nor HAVE SUPPORTED ANYONE AGAINST YOU. So fulfil their treaty to them for the end of their term

5:Then when the sacred months of Islamic calender have passed, then KILL THE IDOLATORS, POLYTHEISTS WHEREEVER YOU FIND THEM, & CAPTURE THEM AND BESIEGE THEM & LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN EACH AND EVERY AMBUSH. BUT IF THEY REPENT & perform As-salat, & give zakat, then FREE their way.

6:And if anyone of the idolators seek your protection, grant him protection so that he may hear the word of God and ESCORT him to where he can be secured, that is because they are men who know not

So you see the Qur'an gives a clear-cut profile of those that are to be targetted. 1: (S)He must have signed a No-war TREATY;2:The person must have violated the treaty and given a grace period of FOUR MONTHS (during which he moves FREELY violtating the treaty) to REPENT. 3: The individual must have failed to repent even after a grace of four months. 4:After all these, the individual must have SUPPORTED ANYONE AGAINST THE MUSLIMS. Then the clamp-down of verse 5 can be applied. Even at the heat of the clamp-down the grace is still availble to any of them to seek protection (an unprecedented high level magnanimity) I don't think we have anything close to these as to justify the claim of Al-Qaida.

Before I explain verse Q9:29, it is very important to note the key words used by God: IDOLATORS[b], POLYTHEISTS, KILL, AMBUSH, STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS (47:4)[/b] etc. God is very clear when HE intends to pass death sentence on a group of people. Just like he did when HE KILLED all 1st borns in Eygpt when Pharao refused to let the children of Israel go. He did the same in some verses of the bible (don't be suprised!)

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PART B:

@Gist,

If you go through my post in part A you will see that we are NOT serving the same God because there is no inconsistency in God, so please do not use the Biblical quotations to justify or support KILLING in ANY situation or condition. While you attempted to justify the "various conditions" or the "different situations" in which you are commanded or mandated to KILL, AMBUSH or BEHEAD sinners like idolators, polytheist etc, the fact is your God still told you to kill! So why are you saying there is no mandate to kill in Islam? The quotations as well as your co-called "treaty" are subject to their interpretation by different mummin, so why can't terrorist justify their actions by the teachings in the quran? It is clear you are to kill the kafir, whom you cannot create, thereby taking the position of god. "If they repent",,,,,,is it in your power to make them repent or rather force them to repent? And You said that there is no compulsion in religion. The fact is the entire quran is full of deceptive oxymoron.

Now you said "Fight against them that believe not in,,,,,,,,,,,,until they feel themselves subdued" how can you still say the same quran posits that there is no compulsion in religion? This is not about economic struggle but a command of "doctrinal triumphantism"; and the examples of the political/economic struggles in south-south is not relevant here because what delienates the muslims from the so-called kafirs is their "faith/belief" not their land, possessions.

As for your various wbesites, methink you are the one not showing any open-mindedness here. Because rather than refer you to pro-jewish websites or so called western media, I gave you sources of books and government papers available online where you could be informed of the facts but you choose to short-circuit the fact with other spurios websites. Dont worry about those in Nigeria, you can conduct your own research; and whenever you start from, the truth will face you head on. Dont look for injustice on the televesion in from the local masjid, truthfully find out the truth and you will know who is the aggressor and the unjust.,,,,,

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@Gist,

PART A: I will start by clearing your air on the biblical passages you quoted.

Numbers 31: This is where the Midianites were conqurered by Divine judgement. Who were the Medianites? they comprised a large part of the confederation of tribes and often associated with smaller groups like the Ishmaelites, Moabites, Amalekites and Ephah. In this chapter, the judgement was in reference to those associated with Moab. According to the Mosaic law "which was in operation then", adultery and idolatory carried the death penalty. This particualr tribes had caused exactly that in their relation to Israel; i.e spiritual and physical adultery from Yahweh. As you know that Israelites were/are chosen people of God, (this same grace was later opened to the entire world by the coming of Jesus Christ, to be Sons or Chosen of God), these act of the Moabites against the nation of Israel carried the death penalty according to the LAW in that dispensation; and God asked Moses to lead the army agaisnt them. While in 1st Samuel, the divine judgement was on the Amalekites who attacked the relatively weak Israelites on their way out of slavery in Egypt. Again, in that dispensation, total annihilation of the enemy was demanded and Saul was mandated to carry out the command.

However, the coming of Jesus Christ and his Covenant of Grace has translated us, Israel and the rest of the world, to the "new dispensation" of covenant of God's Grace through "faith in Christ". Thus Christians are no longer obligated to the Law because of sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross. The purpose of the Mosaic Laws was simply to prove guilt, convict man of sin and ultimately lead man to Christ for salvation. Thus all the judgement carried out then where in fulfilment of the laid down laws of old Judaistic legalism, but God knows that the laws does not lead to righteousness because he said in Habakuk 2:8 that the JUST SHALL LIVE BY "FAITH". The Laws were given of temporary effect until the coming of the SEED i.e Jesus Christ (Ref: Genesis 12 vs 3-7, and Galatians 3 vs 19) who will now impute His righteousness on those who believe, and lay the grace of righteousness in the heart of the believer through His Spirit. That is the reason why Christianity no longer permits stoning or killing of adulterers, killing of the enemy, killing of idolators or pagans, etc as taught by Jesus Christ in Matthew Chapters 5-6. He forgave the woman caught in adultery and told her to "go sin no more", he taught us to pray for the enemy, those who hate us and dispitefully use us, to pray for conversion of idolatrous persons, pagans and sinners, etc. Grace of God through Christ includes Liberty from the curse of the Law which can not lead to righteousness or righteous living. Salvation is ONLY through the power of the Cross, thus any denila of the Cross is nothing other than accursed deception (anathema) which aims to deceive people from salvation. Am I saying the old testament is no longer relevant? NO. But that we have been free from the obligations of the Mosaic law through the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ to those who believe. For example, while the laws do no commit adultery, through Christ we should not even look with lust; while the law says do not commit murder, through christ we should not even hate a fellow man talkless of killing; while the law says do not steal, through christ you should not even envy or lie, etc etc. The grace of righteousness of God through Christ is in/upon the heart to deal with the emotions that 'leads' to sin. You can apply this to all areas and see how Christianity is Liberty through grace to be freed from the curse of the law. The law does not make man righteous. I have gone from the root of passages you quoted, to the doctrine of grace to aid better understanding of what it means to be a Christian or disciple of Christ and living by the spirit which is a lifelong process of gradula maturity.

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Arabic to English translation of Belloti's post:

There you go again Havila. If indeed islam teaches us not to kill how come we have killed millions and i believe i am one of the many pretentious politically correct muslims you can ever find. Insha Allah i will surely die and kill as a muslim and serving the idol Al-Ilah. Islam is NOT peace and Holy quran is guidance to malevolence. You can concort all kind of interpretations and permutation but Islam has always ordered the killing of any innocent soul everywhere. The truth shall prevail and one day you shall account for all these truthful allegations and correct information.

Nilla, Thanks for your passivity and political correctness. May the idol al-illah guide and protect you, Amen

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There you go again Havila. If indeed islam teaches us to kill how come we never killed anyone and i believe i am one of the most passionate muslims you can ever find. Insha Allah i will surely die as a muslim and serving the lord Almighty. Islam is peace and Holy quran is guidance to mankind. You can concort all kind of interpretations and permutation but Islam has never ordered the killing of any innocent soul anywhere. The truth shall prevail and one day you shall account for all these reckless allegations and misconceptions.

Nilla, Thanks for your understanding. May the Lord almighty guide and protect you, Amen

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Now, this is another version. I thought one the virtues of a christians is to always say the truth no matter whose ox is gored. So, when did it become 'Christ-like' to modify the truth in order not to "further enrage our brethren." Brethren?, How unfortunate that your 'brethren' actually refer to you as mutashirikum in their holy book. Had Jesus been this 'politically correct' with the truth and pharisees, would there have been the gosple today? I don't think so.

Yes, it is not good to spread "false lies", but always good to expose "true lies"; a very good example of true lie is your opinion that Islam is NOT a religion that teaches to kill. This is not a matter of direct or indirect translation, simply read the quran e.g Sura 9:5, 9:29, 8:15, 47:4 etc, read about Ayatollah Khomeini, the French Journalist beheading, Iranian hangings, Salman Rushdie, 9/11, 7/7 etc or simply google 'killings' in Islam' which is an easy research and tell us they are 'false lies.' My friend, a "false lie" is the same as "politically correct" statement: your's is a leading example.

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@ dayo

The past doesn't count although Chrstians were killing people during the crusades

Hypothetically, Islam is in the same stage of development that chrsitiany was during that period

And trust me, in relation to Extremism, Islam is fairing much better than Chrstiany was back then

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The question is I why is one tolerated and the other is a terroist activity

They are both terroist activities

In India it has been happening like wildfire, go and do your research

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@Josboy

Do KKK kill for Christ or do they fight for Jesus?

while terrorist act perpetrated by moslems are done in the name of Moh'd fighting for Moh'd so equating KKK activities to Islamic extremists do not jive at all

and probably for knowledge sharing purposes which group has killed people of other religion in recent times for the sake of Jesus?

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@ Gbade,

no one is trying to say that there are no terroists in the muslim world,

But let us not lay claim that Islam is whats has ruined Nigeria, and the world.

Let us not spread false lies, that Islam is a Religion that teaches to kill.

When we do not understand the pholosiphies and interpretations. Everyone knows that direct translations ubscure meaning. That is why KKK claim that they are Chrstian.

Extremist are in all different religions and if we sit here and claim that Islam is Terroist religion

We further enrage our brethren and further set divisions between ourselves.

It is fair for me to assume that many of you including myself are christian. Toh, let us start acting like ones!

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waste of space and (?)intellect! Now that we know the meaning, can we leave the childhood babblings and go back to adult comprehensible talk!!

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gbasky means gaskiya ne, meaning you ve spoken the truth

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You are too gbasky!!!

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Nilla trully believes Terrorism is not a Muslim Problem. How many times do i have to say that.

I wonder what other belief your referring too?

Do we have bad Muslims? Yes.

Do we have bad Christians? Yes.

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We do not know what nilla truly believes. That she says "NO" to the topic question does not say much about her personal believes beyond a predilection for passivity and political correctness. She does not deserve to be bullied either, she's a nice individual albeit naive.

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How do you guys now describe the assertion of the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran for a nation to be wiped off the face of the earth!!

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Asallam Alykum Belloti. I must really commend you, mukina2 and Bro Olabowale (and even nilla for standing up for what she believes without getting bullied) for adequately defending Islam. You guys did a great job. May God continue to increase you in wisdom and knowledge (Amin)

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That was a great gist. We very much welcome your contribution brother.

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You know, reading through replies of this thread and i see peops answering the question, " Is Terrorism A Muslim Problem? " with a "NO", they usually leave a question hanging in the air. . . .

Why do YOU say terrorism is NOT a muslim problem?

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I missed you!

Are you writing your exams soon?

So what do you think about: Terroism is only Muslim problem?

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Narrowmindedness: Refusal to admit to the politically correct falsehood that aims to exonerate muslims from their moral burden of terrorism in the name of religious tolerance!

Attempting to rub minds with ostriches whose heads are firmly buried in the sand is but an excercise in stupidity!

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Hey nilla, am fine

How is you doin?

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I guess we are all futile creatures David, Good one man !

All Muslims are bad, All Christians are good

Islam Preachers Bad, Christianity Teaches Good

There am I a genious in your books now !

Narrowmindedness is a sign of futility too !

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Reasoning withh dimwitted morons intent on perpetuating lies, half truths and islamofacist propaganda is an excercise in futility!

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Israelis commit terrorist acts everyday killing Palestinian children just as Palestinians commit terrorist acts by blowing up people in suicide bombings.

Logical is the only one in this whole thread that has made any sense. Christain nations like the US to this day commit acts of terrorism in the guise of nation states. Just look at the US in Iraq. Thats terrorism. Or what it plans to do in Iran. Terrorism isnt just religious based.

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No wonder even their unborn generations will develop a hatred for you

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Go and read up on Northern Ireland and the politics there

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. . .plus rivers flowing with all assortments of liqour and heineken.

You hit the nail right on the head, Sista.

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which equals 72 full bossomed 9 year old virgins

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"One mans Terrorist is another mans Martyr"

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God bles u my brother.

TERRORISM IS NOT AM MUSLIM ROBLEM!!!

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In answer to your earlier question;

It is clear that ONLY muslims have continued and will continue to terrorise the world in the name of a non-existent blood thirsty potentate!

We do not call all those who call on Jesus as Christians because the bible CATEGORICALLY states: "by their fruits ye shall know them". The bible is clear as regards its stand on violence, even ordinary hate is condemned in strong terms. Those who take their own lives DO NOT have a part in eternal life!

On the other hand, a cursory look at the quran indicates that those who actually commit acts of terrorism in the name of Allah are the TRUE muslims! To attempt to cast terrorists as NOT muslims is merely being economical with the truth!

1,126 people have been killed by Palestinian violence and terrorism since September 2000.

Between September 29, 2000 and May 1, 2006, Magen David Adom treated a total of 7,844 casualties as follows:

999 killed, 642 severely injured, 940 moderately, and 5,263 lightly injured, among them 11 MDA staff members.

(IDF casualties treated by IDF medical personnel are not included in these figures.)

Note: This list also includes 18 Israelis killed abroad in terror attacks directed specifically against Israeli targets, and 3 American diplomatic personnel killed in Gaza.

Sept 29, 2000 - Border Police Supt. Yosef Tabeja, 27, of Ramle was shot to death by his Palestinian counterpart on a joint patrol near Kalkilya.

Oct 2, 2000 - Wichlav Zalsevsky, 24, of Ashdod, was shot in the head in the village of Masha on the trans-Samaria highway.

Sgt. Max Hazan, 20, of Dimona, died of gunshot injuries sustained near Beit Sahur.

Oct 8, 2000 - The bullet-riddled body of Hillel Lieberman, 36, of Elon Moreh was found at the southern entrance to Nablus.

Oct 12, 2000 - First Cpl. Yosef Avrahami and First Sgt. Vadim Norzhich, 33, two reserve IDF soldiers, were lynched by a Palestinian mob at the police building in Ramallah.

Oct 19, 2000 - Rabbi Binyamin Herling, 64, of Kedumim, was killed when Fatah members and Palestinian security forces opened fire on a group of Israeli men, women, and children on a trip at Mount Ebal near Nablus.

Oct 28, 2000 - The body of Marik Gavrilov, 25, of Bnei Aysh was found inside his burned-out car, between the village of Bitunia and Ramallah.

Oct 30, 2000 - Eish-Kodesh Gilmor, 25, of Mevo Modi'in, was shot and killed while on duty as a security guard at the National Insurance Institute's East Jerusalem branch. Another guard was injured.

Amos Machlouf, 30, of the Gilo neighborhood in Jerusalem, was found murdered in a ravine near Beit Jala.

Nov 2, 2000 - Ayelet Shahar Levy, 28, and Hanan Levy, 33, were killed in a car bomb explosion near the Mahane Yehuda market in Jerusalem. 10 people were injured in the blast. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

Nov 8, 2000 - Noa Dahan, 25, of Moshav Mivtahim in the south, was shot to death while driving to her job at the Rafah border crossing in Gaza.

Nov 13, 2000 - Sarah Leisha, 42, of Neveh Tzuf was killed by gunfire from a passing car while travelling near Ofra, north of Ramallah.

Cpl. Elad Wallenstein, 18, of Ashkelon, and Cpl. Amit Zanna, 19, of Netanya were killed by gunfire from a car passing the military bus carrying them near Ofra.

Nov 13, 2000 - Gabi Zaghouri, 36, of Netivot was killed by gunfire directed at the truck he was driving near the Kissufim junction in the southern part of the Gaza Strip.

Nov 18, 2000 - St.-Sgt. Baruch (Snir) Flum, 21, of Tel-Aviv was shot and killed by a senior Palestinian Preventive Security Service officer who infiltrated the Kfar Darom greenhouses in the Gaza Strip.

Nov 20, 2000 - Miriam Amitai, 35, and Gavriel Biton, 34, b

Let me remind you of the Iran you are talking about:

"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury". - President Ahmadinejad

"Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world. But we must be aware of tricks." - President Ahmadinejad

As regards your request for the quranic verses:

Quran-2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you  

47:4-  “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight),  strike off their heads;  at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”

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Sorry people. Somehow I missed out the weblink to the King David Hotel bombing in 1946 and the Zionist still celebrating of their achievement (60 years after). The picture of the debris of the building is shown by the right

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_Bombing

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,251-2277717,00.html

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Find out whats going on in Northern Ireland and you'll see that terrorism is not a muslim problem.

BTW, we need to define terrorism!

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@Everybody

Hmmmmmmm. At the begining of his thread, on page 1 (it took me about a weekt o read it all, 'cos of work) their was a very pragmatic fellow by the name LOGICAL. He asked some very fundermental questions about terrorism and nobdy seemed to follow his line of thinking and unfortunately, he left the thread. I guess he quickly figured out that we all have our mindset fixed and are not open minded (no offence ment). I'll implore all of us to keep an open mind to my viewpoint.

Is Terrorism A Muslim Problem? NO, Why?

"Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians by groups or persons for political, nationalist, or religious goals. As a type of unconventional warfare, terrorism means to weaken or supplant existing political landscapes through capitulation, acquiescence, or radicalization, as opposed to subversion or direct military action."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

First of all, can we proof that there are no terrorism acts before Islam came into being? If you remember, the Isrealites were Terrorised by Pharaoh in Eygpt for about 40 (or is it 400)yrs! Now don't tell me that he got the instruction from the Qur'an like you're suggesting all terrorists use as their justification. It was also reported that Moses killed an Egyptian. Again, this couldn't have been inspired by Islam.

Now more recently, there have been many terror attacks all over the world. But somehow its seems the one done by some group of people (I don't want to call them muslims just like christians will not call everybody who profess the name of Jesus as christians) catch the attention most. But why should that be?

JosBoy4Lif raised a point & it gives one the impression that one terror action is permitted and the other is not?

@Havila

Do your research well, and you will know that the early 'Holy Crusaders' were not 'crusading' in the name of Christianity but for the political expansion of the Roman empire and/or other empires"

On the contrary Havila, the early crusade were actually conducted in the name of chritiandom!! Checkout the quote and link below

"The Crusades were a series of military campaigns conducted in the name of Christendom and usually sanctioned by the Pope. They were military campaigns of a religious character typically characterized as being waged against pagans, heretics, Muslims or those under the ban of excommunication. When originally conceived, the aim was to recapture Jerusalem and the Holy Land from the Muslims while supporting the Byzantine Empire against the "ghazwat" of the Seljuq expansion into Anatolia, "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade

So, if this is true, then why is it that we don't here about them. Well one of the reasons is as stated by Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting. In their article "Down the Memory Hole: Israeli contribution to conflict is forgotten by leading papers"

Here are some qoutes from that site just in case your're too busy to visit the link

"In the wake of the most serious outbreak of Israeli/Arab violence in years, three leading U.S. papers—the Washington Post, New York Times and Los Angeles Times—have each strongly editorialized that Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon were solely responsible for sparking violence, and that the Israeli military response was predictable and unavoidable. These editorials ignored recent events that indicate a much more complicated situation.

    In the wake of the most serious outbreak of Israeli/Arab violence in years, three leading U.S. papers—the Washington Post, New York Times and Los Angeles Times—have each strongly editorialized that Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon were solely responsible for sparking violence, and that the Israeli military response was predictable and unavoidable. These editorials ignored recent events that indicate a much more complicated situation.

    Let's go on a brief excursion into pre-history. I’m talking about June 20, 2006, when Israeli aircraft fired at least one missile at a car in an attempted extrajudicial assassination attempt on a road between Jabalya and Gaza City. The missile missed the car. Instead it killed three Palestinian children and wounded 15.

    Back we go again to June 13, 2006. Israeli aircraft fired missiles at a van in another attempted extrajudicial assassination. The successive barrages killed nine innocent Palestinians.

Now we're really in the dark ages, reaching far, far back to June 9, 2006, when Israel shelled a beach in Beit Lahiya killing eight civilians and injuring 32.

That's just a brief trip down Memory Lane, and we trip over the bodies of twenty dead and forty-seven wounded, all of them Palestinians, most of them women and children, "

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2928

Ladies and Gents, these things and many more you don't get to read or hear often 'cos they've all gone like the title of the article gone Down the Memory Hole!! Here are a few dig ups exhumed from the intenet.

UN post

Israel violates Lebanese air space despite existing regional tension - UN envoy:

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=8535&Cr=lebanon

Common Dreams organisation

Attack Iran the Day Iraq War Ends, Demands Israel (Quote of ISRAEL’S Prime Minister Ariel Sharon even though Iran hasn't done anything except that it plans to generate electricty from neucler and IAEA has up till today yet to find any diversion to making nuclear bombs)

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1105-02.htm

King David Hotel bombing:

"The King David Hotel bombing (July 22, 1946) was a bombing attack against the British government of Palestine by members of Irgun — a militant Zionist organization.

The Irgun, dressed as Arabs, exploded a bomb at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which had been the base for the British Secretariat, the military command and a branch of the Criminal Investigation Division (police). 91 people were killed, most of them staff of the secretariat and the hotel[1]: 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 other. Around 45 people were injured."

Timeonline

British anger at terror celebration (It is bad enough to blow up a hotel, you'll agree with me that it is even worse to celebrate it 60years after! Please read) AS ISRAEL wages war against Hezbollah “terrorists” in Lebanon, Britain has protested about the celebration by right-wing Israelis of a Jewish “act of terrorism” against British rule 60 years ago this week.

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The list goes on. (disclaimer, none of the site references above are anonymous like my sister babyosisi have been giving, they're all credible and live western-not arab weblinks)

BACK TO THE TOPIC: Is Terrorism A Muslim Problem?

Be sincere with yourself. I think it is a global problem and should be treated as such. Attacks on small countries should not be waived and swept under the carpet, that will be unjust. And where ever you don't have justice, their can't be peace. The best you can have is GRAVEYARD peace.

As for the attacks in the north, unfortunately most of the early contributors seems to have closed their eyes to the fact that even muslims who are not northerners also suffer the same fate. So, of all the Quranic verses you have qouted earlier in the thread which one can justify this barbaric act? And Yet again you failed to mension that their were repraisal attacks by christians in the south!

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I wonder why you people accuse others of associating carnage with Islam when Moslems does that to themselves or who are the ones responsible 9-11,July 7 Madrid,Bali to mention a few of the killing in the northern part of Nigeria to protest anything even Miss world, Popes comment, Danish Cartoons, even the slightest of excuses even if a moslem should hit his leg against a stone or rain does not fall a christian is always held responsible and must be killed. Who is now associating violence to Islam other than Moslems themselves by their action.

WHo shot the last Pope John Paul, majority of suicide bombers are of what religion?

@ Josboy Can you tell me a country in the world where there are no organised crime (mafia like)

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A wake up call to Olabowole and bellotti and their moderate friends by another arab woman

We need zillions like her.

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I wonder why you like to wallow in deciet and half truths! Are we the ones associating violence with Islam? How else do you describe the violence on 9-11, 7-, Java, Madrid, Bombay, Nairobi, Darfur, Mogadishu, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine just to mention a few?

What of "home-grown" terrorist muslims? What of the myriads of passages in the quran that glorify violence? What of those who hurl stones at Isreal and chant "death to America"? What of the muslims who killed an innocent nun for the quotes of a 12th century pope?

What of the unimaginable virulent hatred exhibited by 8yr old muslim kids wishing death on Bush and Sharon, men they do not even know?

And you ask why we "associate" violence with Islam?

Need i remind you of the violent religious riots in northern Nigeria? What of the innocent ones killed in the Maitatsine riots? Ever heard of the Taleban from Borno state? Are you aware of those killed for the cartoons of a Danish journalist?

What of the declaration of the world wide day of anger over the comments of the pope?

Who are those who threatened to kill the poor man for a mere quote?

What of those who vowed to conquer Europe, slit our throats and take our wives as war booty?

And you accuse us of "associating" violence with Islam?

Who are those who hijack aircraft, burn flags and embassies? Who are the suicide bombers?

And you still insist we falsely "associate" violence with Islam?

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@ Josboy

I am amazed at what kind of reasoning of lack of it you are displaying

When you are comparing Mafia who do biz for the sake of money and nothing else and Mohammedans who blow up "GUILTY" civilians all over the globe

Did you not see the carnage wrought in Northern Nigeria where I suppose you live on Xtians all in the name of defending Moh'd

Members of the EU decide which country they want in their midst is it by force Turkey should go and meet their fellow blood sucking, Bomb blowing and hate spewing Arab brothers like Syria, Iraq, Iran and others and leave peace loving E.U members alone as peace and love is strange to the Moslem world. Do you know that the last Pope was shot at by whom a Turk I suppose They want to join E.U so that they can bring suicide killing and assasinations a la Rafik Hariri to E.U God forbid.

They are begging to join E.U when other Arab countries are refusing to recognise Israel's right to exist on their own

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i want to welcome the newcomers to the debate. i think i like your angles josboy and zulu.

I dont know why you try so hard to associate carnages with islam. does our joining you on nairaland to shed some lights on islam translate to terrorism or you dont want to appreciate our kind of islam which totally does not belong to your definition?

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I am a defender of all, you know that Zulu

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No but ive seen them sell drugs and ruin lives in these areas of the world.

And the Doctrine of Islam is to kill, wonderful You win!

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Like i said earlier, it is not a matter of life and death for Turkey to join the EU. The EU is a voluntary organisation of LIKE-MINDED nations not a collection of rogue states!

If there are "perks that come with being part of the EU", it is because those who are members HAVE WORKED FOR IT! THEY DID NOT JUST ACQUIRE THOSE PERKS ON A PLATTER OF GOLD! Freedom of speech, separation of church and state, democracy NOT THEOCRACY is the reason such states enjoy those perks today!

EU members have a right to decide who joins them such as i have a right whom to choose as a friend.

Italy has mobsters, yes! They do not go around denying others the right to life in the name of God!

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@Josboy,

You need to do your research well. But I can say Islam has been responsible for more of the atrocities you mentioned. Do your research well, and you will know that the early 'Holy Crusaders' were not 'crusading' in the name of Christianity but for the political expansion of the Roman empire and/or other empires. In fact, the second wave of Crusaders killed thousands if not millions of Jews in their 'crusade' and the then Emperor of Rome, who hated the Jews/Israel so much for their monotheism, was the one who changed the name of the then land of Israel to 'Palestine' after the arch-enemies of Israel/Jews i.e. the Philistines. He did this to spite Israel because the Philistines/Palestines were polytheists like the Romans.

Compare this to the murderous atrocities committed in the name of Allah for the propagation of Islam by 'triumphantism' spreading from Arabia to North Africa up to Southern Spain before they were defeated and expelled back.

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