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Is The Bible Easy To Understand?

I am just curious, everyday we come here and most of us pick up big issues and tear them to pieces. My question is, from what I have seen of the analysis of the bible so far, Christianity is not for the illiterate or even the semi-literate, the literate have to struggle to even fully understand, what do you think guys, Is the bible easy to understand?

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@toyenski

I need the names of people who arm spirit filled, just 10 popular names, is daviddylan not spirit filled? He believes the earth was not created 6000 years ago and can show you from the bible that man pre existed adam, chris oyakhilome believes that man pre existed adam is he spirit filled? Does benny hinn agree with that or is he not spirit filled? Does td jakes agree with that or is he not spirit filled?

Give me answers that work bro.

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chris u should know being spirit filled is not something u go about announcing.ur name chris issssssssssss really CHRIST like and so endeavour to be like him

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u need to study ur bible well but before that u should ask 4 understanding from God then u will be able to comprehend the contents of the bible.That is y the BIBLE is not any other book or storyline pit togehter.

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@olaadegbu

You did not answer my question before, just tell me one person you know on nairaland that is spirit filled the way you are.

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I believe that I have sent that Christian tract to you before when you were asking what it meant to be born again; I thought you were sincere when you asked that question but now I know better.  And yes I have read it examining myself in the light of that tract, thank you for the suggestion as the Scriptures admonishes us to be examining ourselves regularly whether we are still in the faith unless we are reprobates.  I only hope and pray that you do the same and you will be the better for it.

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-143706.32.html#bot

Thank you again for realizing that I am a poorly informed Christian who knows zilch about bible history and origins but I know enough to discern and expose the half truths and lies from the pit of hell that you spread all over this forum, I know zilch as you said and that is why I depend on the Holy Spirit to teach and guide me into all truth and this privilege is available to all because the grace of God that brings Salvation has appeared to all men teaching us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and that we should live soberly, righteously and godly in this present world.  Unless you are claiming that you know the Scriptures so much that you do not need the Holy Spirit to teach and guide you.

That will be difficult as long as you keep posting on a public forum that is open to all and fronting as the “devil’s advocate”.  And especially because I do not wish my worst enemy to end up in hell fire that is why I will keep on addressing the heresies that you spew out here.

The Bible would remain a mystery to those who do not understand, recognize or comprehend it and it only becomes a revelation knowledge to those who are open to the Holy Spirit’s proper interpretation of it, and He is available to as many people that are willing to hear from Him.  But you would rather people listen to the lies of the devil that he has been using you to spread.  And yes Men of God who have track records of faithfully walking with God can help us understand it better and you will not be deceived if you compare what they say with the scriptures and the witness of the Holy Spirit within you will keep you on the right track, because as it is written, as many as are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God, you don’t need to follow so called leaders blindly, The Berean christians are good examples. Acts 17:10-12

May I ask you what is wrong if you are told to be spiritually born?  After all, Jesus told Nichodemus that except he be spiritually born (born again) that he cannot see the kingdom of God.  Satan used the RCC to prevent people from reading the Scriptures but thank the Lord for those martyrs that risked their lives so that we can have a copy of the undiluted Word of God in our hands and in our languages today, we can now ask our heavenly Father to properly interpret and give us the understanding as we read the scriptures and you will know that the Scriptures talks about Jesus Christ and His plan for the redemption for mankind.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0031/0031_01.asp   

Here is where the lies and half truth of the devil gets exposed.  See 2Peter3:15-16 and you will find out the outcome of those who struggle with scriptures to their own destruction.

Satan has been at it for more than 6,000 years when he deceived our first parents, Adam and Eve.  He was able to do this by making them doubt the Word of God with their minds, to deny the Word of God and to eventually disobey the Word of God with their wills.  As you can see that Satan has used you to sow the seed of doubts into people’s minds about the infallibility of God’s Word and tried to replace the Word of God with half truths and lies, thus doubting, denying, replacing or removing the Word of God which will make people to eventually abandon the Word of God.

http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/rcc+bible001.asp?FROM=Catholicpage

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Ok let us run a test- you named daviddylan jesoul and yourself inclusive, who has understands the bible?

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@KunleOshob,  Chrisbenogor  et al.,

I believe that DavidDylan, and JeSoul among others, have given adequate answers to the question posted even if you feel that I am not communicating, but I still repeat that to understand spiritual truths you have to be spiritually born.  There is this assumption that every body can read and understand the Bible without the help of the author of the Bible who inspired it.  That is why I am pleading with you guys to become Christians first and then you will be fed with the milk of the Word of God and when you are weaned and mature you can begin to eat the meaty parts and even to crack the bones.  You should be born again first, then learn to crawl and walk before you begin to run.  Do not make the mistake of thinking that because you can read the Bible that makes you an expert.  I will advise you to learn what it means to be a Christian in the explanation given below and then make it a reality in your lives before I begin to answer your questions.

The questions are often asked, “Who is a Christian? How do I know a Christian if I meet one?  Does every Matthew, Luke, or John pass for a Christian?  Is everyone who raises up his hand in response to a preacher’s call to repentance a Christian?  Does everyone who passes through the church isle to the altar pass for a Christian?  Are all those in church pews during church services Christians?  Who is a Christian?  Finally you may ask, “Am I a Christian?”

A soul winner on evangelism met a drunk drifting down a lane.  In his attempt to help him discover the true purpose of living’ he asked, “Are you a Christian?”  The answer came quick and sharp “What do you think I am? A Pagan?”  This is a pitiful point.

A brilliant preacher full of energy and zeal got the pass mark of his congregation. But his life at home showed a pattern of pride and jealousy found in the fallen angel - Lucifer.

A gifted and talented lady-soloist sings like an angel and prays like a prophet but she talks and acts with thunder and volcano in her voice.  Her red-hot temper, contentiousness and confusion are marks of her presence at home or at work.  Are these Christians?  A ‘Niagara’ of stormy words is an indication of the absence of Christ in the heart.

Being a Christian is not a new label: It is a new life.  The word ‘Christian’ first occurred in the New Testament.  It was not in the Old Testament.  “The disciples were called Christians first in Antioch” (Acts11:26).  From the first use of a word, the true meaning and significance of the word become clear.  Disciples were called Christians.

‘Disciple’ is a prominent word in the New Testament.  It did not have any place in the Jewish Religion.  One of the disciples in Antioch referred to as a Christian was in Jewish religion (Galatians 1:13) before he became a Christian.  Living by the Mosiac code of “ordinance, touch not, taste not, handle not,” the ceremonial washing in holy water is ignorance of true discipleship and Christianity. Christianity centres on Jesus Christ - His love, life and light. A Christian therefore is the person who lives the life of Christ as revealed in the New Testament.

The New Testament opens with Jesus Christ who saves from sin (Matthew 1:21) and closes with Jesus Christ, the King who will come quickly - Revelation 22:20. Christ died to make you a Christian.  He did not have to die to make you a churchgoer; you can do that on your own.  But you cannot overcome sin in your natural human nature.  Christ died to suffer for you-through Christ’s merit.  If you confess your sins and ask for pardon and grace you will be forgiven.  Peace and joy will come into your heart.  You will never be the same again.  Christ died to make you live - through definite faith in His precious Blood; your heart and life are changed.  Christ died to reconcile you to God.  Through His meritorious sacrifice, a love relationship is established between you and God. Christ died to give you a new heart and life like His.  You can only enjoy a new heart at the expense of another.

The Christian life radiates the beauty of Christ’s lifestyle - humility, obedience, love, integrity and newness of life.  Check up if you are a Christian.  If not, why not? “Be not deceived: God is not mocked: For whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap” (Galatians 6:7).  Remember that “not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven: but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in Heaven.”

You can decide to confess your sins to God today and repent - make a wholehearted change of life.  Ask for pardon from God in the Name of Jesus, the only one Mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 2:5).  Believe God for His mercy.  Changed and transformed, begin to live a Christian life.

1. Pray everyday especially before you go out in the morning and before you sleep in the evening.

2. Read the Bible everyday especially in the morning before you begin the day and before you sleep in the evening.  (Start with the gospel according to John)

3. Fellowship with Bible-believing Christians.

4. Be conscious of the presence of Jesus EVERY TIME; therefore, do not do whatever will displease Him.

5. Send for more tracts to give to your friends as you share your testimonies with them.

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@olaadegbu

Dude you should start your own side show, you make me laugh, how do you think an ibo man will understand a joke that was originally in broken french told to him in forced yoruba? This is not about the bible verses you can quote it is how you can pass a message across to someone else, again I ask you if a rural pastor would be able to interprete the bible as easily as the university grads like chris and oyedepo simple.

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While i choose to ignore your baselees allegations to avoid getting into a personal arguments with you, i would suggest you revert back to my first post on this thread answer at lest half of the questions there and then come back and tell me why you believe the bible is 100% accurate. Maybe i can learn something from you.

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@KunleOshob,

Talk is cheap.  Saying that you are a bible believing christian and at the same time do not believe that the Bible is undiluted is a contradiction in terms.  You cannot think crooked and walk straight.  Can you tell us what makes you a christian in the first place?

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For those of us who are willing and eager to know what God has revealed to us in the Bible it will be pertinent to understand the basic truth of what it represents and following the suggestions presented below will also help.

The Bible is God’s inspired revelation of the origin and destiny of all things.  It is the power of God unto eternal salvation and it is the source of present help for spirit, soul and body (Romans 1:16; John 15:7).  It is God’s will and testament to man in all ages, revealing the plan of God for man here and now and in the next life.  It is the record of God’s dealing with men, past, present and future.  It contains God’s message of eternal salvation to all who believe in Christ and of eternal damnation to those who rebel against the gospel (John 3:18,36).

The purpose of the Bible then is to reveal God to man, reveal man’s need of God and show man the way to God.  Man by searching cannot find God except God makes Himself known to him (Job 11:7).  The Bible also reveals to man how to live, and through the fulfillment of its prophecies, all human needs are met.  We receive salvation, sanctification, Holy Ghost baptism, healing, deliverance, protection, etc.

For us to profit maximally from the study of the Bible, all hindrances to spiritual receptivity must be removed.  These include:

1. Hardened heart (Matthew 13:3-6, 18-21),

2. Double mindedness (James 1:8; Mark 4:15-17),

3. Pride (Deuteronomy 8:11-14; Psalms 101:5; Proverbs 18:12),

4. Carnality (I Corinthians 3:1-5), and

5. Unbelief (Matthew 13:58).

Every believer in the church today can benefit from the hidden treasures in the Bible.  But this would require sacrifices on our part.  Treasures are not found except by searching or digging earnestly.  Likewise, deep Bible truths need be sought for and in doing this we will discover Christ the more (Colossians 2:3; John 5:39).  Certain spiritual preparations are required from believers in order to discover these treasures that would make them develop into the fullness of the stature of Christ. 

1. There must be earnest love for truth for its own sake (Psalm 119:40,47,54,72,103);

2. Supreme love for God (Matthew 22:37; Deuteronomy 30:6; Psalm 73:25); and

3. An intense desire to know more of Him (Psalm 42:1,2; 63:1). 

4. Also, there should be a strong desire to make Him known to others (Proverbs 11:24-26; Romans 9:1-3),

5. Willingness to make personal sacrifice to study (Matthew 13:44-46; 12:42),

6. A sense of ignorance and dependence upon divine teaching and willingness to practice as far as you learn (Psalm 119:60,101,106; James 1:22-25; Ezra 7:10). 

Other requirements are:

7. A fixed purpose to know, and do the whole truth (Psalm 119:63; 57:7; 108:1) and

8. Cultivating a state of mind that will not be diverted to make provision for the flesh (Romans 13:14; Matthew 26:41).

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"Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts."

Hebrews 4:6-7

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Chris,

 I think you're mixing two different things here. If I were 8yrs old, or english wasn't my first language, there is no doubt that I would have trouble understanding many things in the bible.  

 But at the same time if I were a PhD and extremely decorated in academics, but yet did not have the holyspirit - I would also have trouble understanding the bible.

So obviously for those who are schooled and educated and also filled with the holy spirit, they surely have a huge advantage when it comes to understanding the bible. BUT my dear brotha you must not mistake this to say that christianity is only for the intelligent. Knowledge or more specifically - Revelation of God - does not come from human wisdom. Infact the scriptures are filled with references to this:

1Cor 1: 26 Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.

 "For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power."

 Look at numerous characters of repute in the bible -  David was a sheep herder, the disciples, fishermen - many of them were not "intelligent" or literate people yet these people had an incredibly deep knowledge of God - they didn't sit and learn in any classrooms, or under any scholars, how did they know so much? it came from God.

let me give you an example: when I was about 12yrs old, I was listening to a sermon and the preacher was making a point from the bible, but something inside me just knew that what he was teaching was wrong. I couldn't prove or explain why I felt that way but somehow I just felt it (this is where the holy spirit's revelation comes in).

  Years later - much older n much wiser - I stumbled onto the same verse again and suddenly could see that he had been taking the verse out of context and using it to teach something it wasn't teaching.

There are OT events that only make sense after I've done extra study to understand the circumstances and meanings of certain things. And I'll add that gathering knowledge is good, but if you really want wisdom to wrap your mind around God's word - you can only get it from one place - God.

Ephesians 1:17

I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.

Colossians 1:9

For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you and asking God to fill you with the knowledge of his will through[b] all spiritual wisdom and understanding[/b].

James 1:5

If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.

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"Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: Today, if you will hear His voice,

Do not harden your hearts, as [happened] in the rebellion [of Israel] and their provocation and [embitterment [of Me] in the day of testing in the wilderness,

Where your fathers tried [My patience] and tested [My forbearance] and found I stood their test, and they saw My works for forty years.

And so I was provoked (displeased and sorely grieved) with that generation, and said, They always err and are led astray in their hearts, and they have not perceived or recognized My ways and become progressively better and more experimentally and intimately acquainted with them.

Accordingly, I swore in My wrath and indignation, They shall not enter into My rest.

[Therefore beware] brethren, take care, lest there be in any one of you a wicked, unbelieving heart [which refuses to cleave to, trust in, and rely on Him], leading you to turn away and desert or stand aloof from the living God."

Hebrews 3:7-12

It is not too late to repent of your unbelief today while there is still mercy, don't wait until it is too late.  If God did not spare the Jews in the wilderness, don't think He will do otherwise if you refuse to repent.  It will not be wise to continue to harden your hearts against your Creator as Pharaoh did and suffered the consequences.  Repent now tomorrow may be too late. There is no mercy in hell.

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The Word of God is alive and Powerful and sharper than a two edged sword

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

Romans 1:18-32

(KunleOshob, Mazaje and Chrisbenogor, I hope you are still there)

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The Bible speaks loud and clear

"Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ."

1 Corinthians 2:6-16

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Let the Bible speak by itself

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men."

                                                                                               1 Corinthians 1:18-25

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@olaadegbu

I don't even want to reply to the rubbish you just posted, see what I am saying even you that thinks you have the spirit would be considered a mad man in the circles of the religious scholars.

@kunle

I loved your reply, not because it may look like an attack but there is a lot of sense in what you said, I was reading that holy business man thread yesterday and I thought to myself that the business thrives because of the ambiguity of the bible, you know most people think the bible was ordained to be used as one book and I think that is the main reason why its parts are not coherent, hence the christian apologists have to go to lengths to defend it. You hear statements like I don't read the bible in isolation, this is because of the huge fear that someone else might have been told something different by the spirit or inspired to write his ideas differently, did the other apostles agree with what those that are in the bible wrote? I say that this division started a long time ago christianity was never one.

@mazaje

How body na

@okija

How ph, I fit enter there later today, I hear say dem don dey kidnap normal people too, no shaking sha I no get hostage value lol.

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@ OLAADEGBU

what are you saying? is the bible jesus or what? when did the bible become the bible? was there a bible during the times of jesus? listen to yourself. . . . . .

You be sarah palin? why do you keep throwing words out there even if they dont make any sense. . . .

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It is this kind of statement above(highlighted) that tends to bring christianity to ridicle. Sometimes in our over zealousness to defend the bible as the word of God, christians make this kind of unfounded and unscriptural claim. Which can not be backed scriptural neither can it stand the test of faith or scrutiny. Fos clarities sake the bible was not copiled until over 300years after the death of Christ and christ never promised or sent any bible to man. The idea of the bible was strictly an idea of the catholic church and thee contents was greatly influenced by a roman emperor(constantine). Whilst it is profitable to learn from the bible wemust be discerning as christians we should also learn not to Idolize by equating it to the son of God as my brother did in the previos post highlighted above.

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You need to be educated to understand the bible simple. . . The holy spirit crap is the reason why we have over 30,000 sects(religions) in christianity most of which are at each others neck fighting and denouncing each other. . . . The holy spirit argument falls falt because if there was any such things as the holy spirit there will be a Universal accepted christainity because the holy spirit will give out the same message to every one it reaches. . .  why is there no universally accepted christainity or christain doctorine? is the holy spirit at conflict with itself to the extent that it gives conflicting messages to people? different sects of christainity have very different doctorines and they all claim to have recieved their inspiration/messages from the holy spirit. . . why is that so? is the holy spirit at war with itself? the same holy spirit is what the catholics, jehova witness, baptist, lutheran, anglicans, white garment wearing, seven day adventist, protestants, mormons, greek othordox etc claim to have inspired their message/doctorines. . . who amongst them is lying and who is telling the truth? the holy spirit can not send out conflicting messsages to all these sects i just listed because they hardly agree on a single issue apart from the fact that jesus died on the cross. . . . . who and what is the holy spirit? does prophet TB joshua and the pope believe in the same holy spirit? why are their messages different? Does pastor chris oyahkilome and pastor kumuyi of depper life bible church recieve their inspiration from the same holy spirit? why are their messages very different and at conflict with each other? does bishop TD jakes and olumba olumba believe in the same holy spirit? why all the different messages/doctorines alluded to the same holy spirit? again is the holy spirit at war or in disagreement with itself? why is there no single and universally accepted christainity from the same holy spirit every body alludes to?

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The problem with most christians(especially those who claim to be sprit filled) don't understand the bible. They only claim to. Before you can truely understand the bible, one as to put the bible in context and be able to understand the circumstances surrounding the compilation of the bible. Answers to certain questions must be known, such as:

1. How did the bible come about?

2.When was it compiled?

3. Who compiled it?

4.For what purpose was it compiled?

5.what criteria was used by those who compiled it to select the books chosen?

6.why did they compile it?

7.What was the motive of the people that compiled it?

8.what was the competence of the people that compile it?

9.Why were some books that the early Apsotles considered scripture omitted from our mordern bible?

10.why are there various versions of the bible?

11.why are there numerous translations of the bible?

12. how do i know which version or translation to trust?

13. who wrote the individual books of the bible and for what purpose was it written.

14.Is the individual book an historical record, Prophetic book, praise and worship book or an epistle(long letter)

For us to assume as christians that the bible is perfect would be to be absolutely naive. Anybody that as answered at least half of the questions i posed above would understand that there was a lot of human inputs and politics involved in the make up and compilation of the bible and there was absolutely nothing divine about it. That is not to say some books of the bible are not divinely inspired, quite a lot of the books certainly are. A lot of them contain accurate historical records of God's manifestation of himself to mankind. I know some fellow christians would put me under attack for daring to critisize the bible but i am not bothered since the bible is a creation of Man. Jesus christ promised to send the holy spirit to help guide our christian lives, he did not promise us a cannon of scriptures(the bible). Unfortunately most people that profess christianity and claim to have the holy spirit in there lives have actually shut the holy spirit out of their lives. They are just plain religious people and not spirit fiiled.

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@ Chrisbenogor

baba how far? body dey ohh, man no fit complain. . . every dey fine. . . .

@ topic

Christianity was never one. . . .

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I couldnt agree more with you on the highlighted portion of your post.

So I think its fair to say the spirit is the problem. Cos the meanings and conclusions that can be drawn from every bible passage differs form one person to the next. The Jehivahs witnesses believe that they will inherit the earth, the catholics believe you can die a saint, the cherubim and seraphims believe that we should wear white to appear holy in the sight of God, The deeper lifers believe that if you wear jewellries you be like jezebel, e.t.c and they get their justifications from the bible.

Is the bible difficult to understand, hells yeah it is.

Many christians do not even know anything in the bible other than what their pastors tell them. People still cant differnciate which parts of the bible should be considered "figures of speech" and where shoul be taken literarilly. Spare the rod, spoil the child, your eye causes you to sin, pluck it off, the dead in christ shall be arisen with him, what shall it profit a man. . . . . . . . . . . . . Lets also not forget the english in which the king james version is written dosent even help matters, And to help you understand just how confusing the bible really is, try taking a bible with different translations and compare texts, and i hear its worse if you lay your hands on the original hebrew texts.

Like chris asked, a child reading the bible only knows jesus died for our sin, why he had to die or was his death necessary is still a matter of personal opinion. People have even gone as far as saying the bible is an acurate recording of history which when compared with scientifically proven facts only goes further to confound the reader.

Its even worse for the illiterates cos they think they know. These group form 75% of the christians in our churches.

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@david

Although I respect your views I still do not agree about your assertions concerning the unsaved. But that is not the issue here, neither is islam or the quaran.

Let me give you some practical examples of what I mean,

1. Do you think a primary 6 school leaving certificate holder would be able to understand the bible the way you do?

Yes I agree anyone can pick up the bible and read but honestly speaking are you saying one's command of language plays absolutely no role in how he or she understands it?

I was taught figures of speech in my early secondary school and even to this day I can barely pick out those that are not common, but the bible seems to be full of them.

@Jesoul

Thanks for your input but your assertions really have no substance, look above at the questions I asked david, how would the spirit minister to a semi literate person who does not understand what an hyperbole means? Or what a metaphor is? I like being honest in my discussions so if you know you are not capable of being honest in your answers don't bother to respond.

@Godcan87

People allowed the spirit take control and look you have 30000 sects in christianity, I personally think christians are really very dishonest when it comes to even issues as simple as this, I asked david some questions try and answer them too the holy spirit wild card does not fit into it, try another one.

@naijacutee

I agree with you totally, just look at pilgrim for instance the girl oozes knowledge, she is far better than 90 percent of pastors I have seen at trying to interprete the bible, to me she is the pinnacle on nairaland when it comes to christian faith issues, look at her diction, awesome , somebody can say spirit but me I say its her level and area of education that gives her such a sharp cutting edge. I agree with you totally.

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It is only wen u allow d Holy spirit 2 take control of ur understanding dat u can get e real understanding of d bible without mixing it up.Just try dis

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This is further example of your poor scholarship . . . the authorship of the epistle to the Hebrews is unknown. Pls pls try and do a simple google search at least before saying anything.

I stand by my word. It doesnt seem you know anything about the bible and its message.

Here is 1 Tim 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

Now here is Matthew 6 with the areas on prayer - 5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

9After this manner therefore pray ye:

What is "contradictory" here? Are you just saying anything you can think of? Have you taken time to study in detail your false claims? Paul admonishes that men pray lifting up Holy hands in worship as a sign of reference. Christ said nothing about whether to pray with hands up or in your pocket . . . and u claim contradiction?

lol this man needs to do more study.

Why dont you provide us this history bro? I can certainly provide plenty. Enough of muslims just making claims they cant defend. The personality of Christ has been relentlessly attacked for 2000 yrs, if He were historically weak i doubt there'd be jews and christians today.

Archeological evidence is highly important here. It helps us tell us whether the writers of the quran or the bible were lying or not. Much of the bible has been proven to be archeologically accurate. What of ur quran? Why are muslims afraid of history and archeology?

Just the same way you see "contradictions" you conjure in your mind.

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yes the Bible is easy to understand - just that some folks haven't been able to decipher bible verses accurately hence the many contradicting answers - especially those reading from the "many new bible versions"   Thats why I'll encourage folks to stick with the old King James Version.   Plus with so many denominations (finding bible verses to support their denominations)  each with their own truth, which by necessity must contradict the other.

From the King James Bible you now have the following (see below)

International Standard Version

GOD'S WORD® Translation

American King James Version

American Standard Version

New King James Version

Bible in Basic English

Douay-Rheims Bible

Darby Bible Translation

English Revised Version

Weymouth New Testament

World English Bible

Young's Literal Translation

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Ok, a good point. But, the book of Hebrews, say, what was that about?

You're incorrect. Since you wrote "strangely, this "history" is "clear" ONLY to muslims": will you change your opinion if I gave references from Christians? I'm making a definite challenge here, will you rise up to it? The fact is that it is Christian scholars, including Catholics (and a nun, at least) who have adcanced this line of reasoning.

Although I wasn't talking about "disagreement", but here, I'll give you an example since you asked for one: Read Matthew Chapter 6, with the focus on prayer. Compare with Paul's first to Timothy in Chaper 2 v 8, say.

Quite the contrary. Paul came up with plenty new. There's one up here for you to attend to.

You are ignorant of history, David. there're many good things you could say for Jesus, but it is quite weak to compare historicity.

What're you talking about? Do you know the use of archeological evidence? Why're you asking for "archeological evidence to corroborate the quran"??

Of course, you see all you want to see.

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I know we arent talking about the quran here but a muslim has no standing pretending to be wondering why the bible is allegedly difficult to understand when he cant even understand his own quran.

More muslims can "find"mohammad in the bible than they can in the quran.

Muslims would rather read up on Jesus in the false "gospel of barnabas" than the quran.

Muslims spend too much time quoting the scriptures, only very few are knowledgeable enough to quote the quran, dont even ask them about the hadiths . . . they dont know.

Muslims talk a lot about Abraham, much of what they know is from the bible . . . the quran is extremely sketchy on him.

Muslims talk about "One God" . . . all the while busy quoting the new testament.

And yet the same people come here crying that the bible is difficult to understand? Have they read their own quran?

I can spend time going thru the difficult portions of the bible with atheists like chrisbenogor, i dont have such patience for hypocritical muslims like nimshi.

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Essentially beacuse Paul was sent as the apostle to the gentiles. Much of the new testament epistles were written to gentile churches.

strangely, this "history" is "clear" ONLY to muslims. If you bothered to read through the bible at all rather than making "smart"remarks, Paul said absolutely nothing different from Peter's preaching on the day of Pentecost, Philip's message or that of Stephen's.

The portion i highlighted in blue is strange to me, in 20 years of reading the bible i have yet to come across a part of christianity where Paul differed from the teachings of Christ. if u have an example please share.

That's false. Paul "came up" with nothing new. He took the very same gospel to the gentiles.

I am calm and understand this is not islamic but it is important that as we discuss this issue we also show u up for the hypocrite u are.

My dear lets not decieve ourselves. The history of the prophet is muddy at best, much of his "tales" are non-existent at worst. What did the "prophet" do in 23 years beyond merely plagiarising the bible? Have you ever wondered why the prophet specifically hated the jews?

Why have we no archeological evidence to corroborate the quran? Why has much of the excavation in Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Syria been based on documented biblical evidence?

I don't see any "facts" in ur post.

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It is only wen u allow d Holy spirit 2 take control of ur understanding dat u can get e real understanding of d bible without mixing it up.Just try dis

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Agreed. Paul, the lawyer, is credited with waaaay more books than Peter the fisherman; hey, that's 13 of the 27 books of the NT. Heck, Paul had to sound Peter out on a matter of old law based on sound logic.

Getting exercised again, David? Did Islam coin "Pauline Christianity' too? Look at Christianity today and tell what part of the practice of Christianity could be attributed to the teachings of Paul and the teachings of Jesus. The history of Christianity is clear about how Paul "came up with the doctrine that would turn Christianity from a small sect of Judaism into a worldwide faith that was open to all."

You're missing the point. Paul came up with the doctrine that would turn Christianity from a small sect of Judaism into a worldwide faith that was open to all."

Calm down, David; it's only a discussion. And it's not an Islamic one.

Again, the "you too" argument. even if what you wrote here is true, how does that invalidate the original post?

That's very funny. What're your favourite bible passages?

You may be right. But there's yet to be much evidence of the crosing of the Reed, eh; plus a few other stuff.

On the contrary, there is more proof of the historicity of the Prophet than there would ever be of Jesus. And, what the Prophet did in 23 years, the older religion couldn't do for thousands. You're way out of your depths to try to compare the historicity of the Prophet with that of Jesus; there's no comparison there. Don't even go there.

Yet, that's not what we're talking about. I you like, open a thread on this, we could discuss rationally.

Tu quoque. Never a valid course of argument.

And, tone down with the exclamation marks; what's it with you? Don't get worked up. Facts are facts.

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"Measuring up" in what sense? The bible is not about eloquence or the human wisdom of the writers . . . both Paul's epistles and Peter's contained the central message of Christ's redemption of man.

This is a favorite islamic lie. Acts 11:26 records the origin of the word "christians". It tells us that the DISCIPLES (not Paul's followers) were first called christians in Antioch.

Acts 11 also tells us the disciples were already in Antioch well before Paul's conversion and it was in the Antioch church that Paul (who was still known then as Saul) grew in the christian faith for 1 whole yr before he began his ministry.

Bottomline - Paul did not "author" christianity. There were already "Christians" before Paul himself became saved.

Enough of this lie!

1. The quran isnt any easier actually, its way worse and more than 50% of muslims don't read it because they don't understand much of the mumbo jumbo there that seems to be bits and pieces of other stories patched together to fill space.

2. I mentioned earlier, the bible is not for those who are merely reading it simply to find an excuse to criticise it. Its those people who end up claiming it isnt easy to read.

3. The bible so far has been proven to be archeologically accurate and till tomorrow is the yardstick for much of the archeology in the area of Palestine, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon.

- The quran on the other hand is of no use, most of the places it mentions have been shown not to even exist at all.

4. Isnt it interesting that the average muslim would rather read the bible when it comes to stories about their "prophets" than the quran?

Mr. Nimshi, when next you want to make senseless arguments look at your own book first!

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Yeah, we know the books bearing Peter's name. How do those measure up with Paul's?

And, of course, there's no shortage of powerful speakers in the faith (which is why I was wondering about that Church asking pastors to go back to school. . .); see the rest of my post above: do you have any response to the rest of the post?

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the epistles of Peter.

It was Peter's preaching on the day of pentecost that brought over 3000 to the church in one day and began the movement that the likes of Paul continued.

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You've a good point. But, how did the fishermen do? How many books did Peter write?

But Paul, a man well versed in Law, is credited with several books, some of them with engaging logic; I liked the book of Hebrews. As you know, tough people aren't quite easily recruited: Paul's conversion on the Damascene road was short of violent intimidation. There's a difference in winning over fishermen and a lawyer and a doctor (like Luke, say); even Jesus knew it, and well enough to emerge from the heavens to execute the invaluable conversion of Paul, the author of Christianity.

And, if we'd look at the 'Old' testament, there's lots not to be easy about; try having a discussion with a Christian concerning the period of the exile; or the powerful book of Job, or some of the minor prophets? And what about aspects of the Israelite journey? And other historical accounts? I don't usualy get to hear anything beyond the talking points in the churches. No mistake: there're many Christian scholars and many who've delved into these things, but it's certainly not a conversation that could advance with many folks.

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Yes, I agree with the responses above. The Bible is not an easy book to read at all. One would have to be well-versed across several fields - literature, philosophy, science (ah, yes. . . science), politics, history etc to fully understand the Bible on his/her own. Illiterates reading the Old Testament and fully understanding it is simply miraculous. Even so, they kept asking Jesus questions about their findings. The Bible is not an easy book to read/understand at all, and one needs a little bit of extra help when reading it.

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David has given you a perfect answer.

Understanding of the bible doesn't come from human intelligence or wisdom, it comes from the HolySpirit. Which is why a lotta biblical events and teachings don't make sense to the casual observer. The spirit is the one that gives relevation.

Au contraire . . . Jesus chose disciples that were fishermen, uneducated and yes illiterate. Christianity is for those who have a willing and humble heart, open to receiving wisdom from the only place it truly comes from, God.

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you have it backwards . . . christianity is not for the unsaved.

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