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Is The NIV Bible Corrupt? (for Recognise And Other Christians)

Recognise,

   I didn't want to continue off-topic on the other thread so I thought to start a new one. Can we discuss what exactly the problems are with the NIV bible compared to the KJV?

  Now I have had this debate with a few others in the past and my conclusion was that the 'differences' or 'omissions' to me are not nearly enough to dismiss the NIV hence why I still continue to use it. I attribute those problems to translational or transcriptional errors or shortcomings - not necessarily a conspiracy to water down the word of God and I don't see how the NIV presents a different or manipulated gospel from the KJV.

All other christians your input is more than welcome.

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@op. I dont see how kjv is superior to NIV to me, especially as our age is concerned because there are little insertion in the KJV and mistranslations in it that will make an average reader of kjv misunderstand the flavour of the bible writers.

I do compare translations especially the modern bible versions so as to get the understanding than using the archaic grammar that fills the kjv. it was good in the past, but modern english demands a change. my brother NIV is better, though i dont know the error you are talking about.

I basically like using NW. some scholars prefare it to kjv. though it is true that preference vary from person to person.

the fact is this:

a) a strictly literal translation will make no sense to an english reader, there is always dynamism.

b) even when u are literal in ur translation, you may still not bring out the mind of the writers.

Overall knowledge of the bible is essential to produce a good translation because EVERY version MUST add something to the new language before a translation will make sense to an english reader.

I prefare New World Translation. but i compare other translations for clarifications. i personally think the NIV is better than kjv.

however, in discussing a controversial verse, i think the exegetic makeup should be observed before arriving at a believe instead of holding one translation as an authority. after all the bible was written in hebrew and greek and not english. atimes the english versions do not bring out the real flavour of the original language.

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Resources for the KJV Bible. Check this website out and discover some facts of how our Bible has been put together.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/1611_authorized_king_james.htm

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@Recognise, fellow soldier in Christ (peer and fellow lord who shall reign together with Christ):

I am not surprised that Jagoon (also known as KunleOshob) hasn't got a clue of what you were talking about, he is a Saduccee sad-you-see, who doesn't believe in the deity of Christ. 

The link you suggested above could not be opened for some reasons, you could check the address to find out if there is anything you could do to make it work.  I found another link that shows the spirit of anti christ that is already at work.

http://www.chick.com/information/bibleversions/teeth.asp

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@recognise

Imagine addrtessing yourself and a deluded fellow like Olaadegbu as lords, that is actually very unchristlike and arrogant, I actually thought you were a more enlightened christian than that.

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The Word of God has always been under attack right from the Garden of Eden.  Check the link below to see how this dastardly act is being carried in contemporary days, even as we speak.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0031/0031_01.asp

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. . . and I stand by that quote. If I absolutely had to choose btw the NIV and KJV, I will pick the NIV. Again of what use is a 100% word for word translation accuracy if you can't understand it?

If it were the RSV or NASB I would drop the NIV for them but not for the KJV.

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@JeSoul

- Jay

Daniel B. Wallace?

So you take your cue from Daniel B. Wallace?

Who the blankety blank is Daniel B. Wallace?

Check out what Daniel B. Wallace has to say of your treasured & beloved NIV

@Alimat 2

- Alimat 2

Yup! You thought that right, yeah the Bible is just one

but the translations are more than one

Which Bible to recommend to/for you?

To that question I'll rephrase it and ask which translation

You can start with the easy-to-follow translations

such as the likes of NIV, Contemporary English Version, Amplified Bible etc

There is no single answer as you progress & grow in your christian faith

who'll likely end up studying & reading more than one translation

[center]"While I thought I was learning how to live, I have been learning how to die."[/center]

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[center]NIV BIBLE QUIZ[/center]

INSTRUCTIONS:

Using the New International Version Bible (NIV), answer the following questions.

Do not rely on your memory.

As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the NIV Bible verse

(Not from footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.)

1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, ________ them that curse you, _____________ to them that hate you, and pray for them that __________ and persecute you."

2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast out this type of devil?

3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?

4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?

5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, they were fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV.

6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out devils and to:

7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear?

8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name?

9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?

10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According to this verse, what did He come to do?

11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?

12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was the superscription written?

13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?

14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?

15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?

16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?

17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?

18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?

19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.

20. Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What was the chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?

21. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.

22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh?

23. In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ? And, what do we Christians do?

24. Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7?

25. Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deity of Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, "I am the A__________ and O___________ , the _________ and the _______:"

Conclusion: Little spaces were provided for your answers, but it's much more than needed.

So now what do you think of your "accurate, easy-to-understand, up-to-date Bible" ?

These 25 questions show up NIV to be not up to scratch.

If you would like to improve your score, and in fact score 100%, you can take this test using the Authorized (King James) Bible

[center]"While I thought I was learning how to live, I have been learning how to die."[/center]

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Greetings,

As a non xtian who want to convert which bible will u recommend for me?

But i thought the bible is just one?

Thanks

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  Let me give you one response to this particular verse to wet your appetite, then I have to be out in a minute.

KJV, Matthew 18:11 "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. You're right Matt 18:11 does not 'exist' in the NIV bible.

   BUT before you smile in false victory the NIV CLEARLY states this after verse 10:

" For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven[b].[a][/b]

  the[b] [a] [/b] directs readers to the bottom of the page in the footnotes section where it says this clearly:

  There. Where's the conspiracy and deliberate omission by the NIV to pervert the bible? why did they include it in the footnote eh? I am willing to bet for every "omitted" verse in the NIV, there is a clear, concise, easily visible at the bottom of the page footnote stating that exact same thing as in the KJV.

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Spot the difference game . . .

Still awaiting you to publish here what  the following verses say from HIV NIV:

1) Matthew 18:11

2) Matthew 17:21

3) Mark 15:28

4) John 5:4

5) Acts 8:37

6) Romans 16:24

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Alleged Perverison #2: The NIV perverts the virgin birth. Luke 2:33

KJV-

And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

NIV-

The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him.

Bone of contention? NIV says "Father" KJV says "Joseph. Quote from the website:http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/niv_exposed.htm

By the way, we should also chastise Mary for refering to Joseph as Jesus's father in yes the KJV:

Luke 2:48

And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

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Thanks for the link, most appreciated!

hmm, intresting. I find the OT bursting at the seams with stories of very practical applications. I would like to discuss this more sometime with you. I shall open a topic at some point. Thanks & Cheers!

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Now addressing "evidence" purporting the NIV bible presents a perverted gospel as outlined by Terry Watkins on www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/niv_exposed.htm

#1. In dispute: NIV perverts the deity of Christ.

      Really? 1 Tim 3:16

KJV -

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

    God was manifest in the flesh,

     justified in the Spirit, seen of angels,

   preached unto the Gentiles,

    believed on in the world,

    received up into glory.

NIV -

Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great:

  He[a*] appeared in a body,[b*]

     was vindicated by the Spirit,

  was seen by angels,

     was preached among the nations,

  was believed on in the world,

     was taken up in glory.

The bone of contention is that "He" instead of "God" and "Body" instead of "Flesh" is used in the NIV. I doubt I need to point out the ridiculousness of such an assertion that this supposedly "perverts the diety of Christ".

But the bigger point which the author shamelessly fails to point out is that in the NIV bible it clearly makes this observation in the footnotes on the same page in its bibles (linked by the [a*][b*] markers in the verses):

[a*]-1 Timothy 3:16 Some manuscripts God

[b*]-1 Timothy 3:16 Or in the flesh

so if the NIV is truly trying to change 'God to Him' and 'Flesh to Body' why would it include that footnote on the same page as the verse to guide readers?

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Here's a website that is a great resource for anyone who really wants to study the bible deeply by looking at the various original manuscripts in Greek, Latin, Aramaic and Hebrew:

http://biblos.com/

This is what it has to say about Mark 10:14

All you have to do is put your cursor over a greek word and it will give you it's various meanings.  

http://biblos.com/mark/10-14.htm

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To be honest, I haven't read much of it.  I've tried a few times but it doesn't really grip me or speak to me in any way.  I don't really use it personally, neither do I use much of the old testament.  That is not to say that someone else might not find in it a rich source of inspiration.  It's importance/significance to us as christians will vary from christian to christian.  For me it has mainly historical significance.

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PastorAIO,

just a quick question. What is your opinion of the "Book of Enoch" you quoted? how do you treat/use such extra-biblical texts personally? What do you think is its importance/significance to us christians today? Thanks.

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@pastor aio

Nice post,the scripture you quoted from the book of enoch is verified in genesis 6:1-5 albeit in lesser detail. It is also very interesting and thought provoking as it throws up a lot of questions our preachers would find embarassing.i.e could the angels in that passage be described as etra terrestrials or aliens since they were obviously physical beings contrary to spiritual beings which our preachers say today.

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@Jesoul,

Is this some sort of segregation yu're starting on Nairaland? do yu mean non christians should not contribute? Anyway's my two pence contribution is simply that god does a disservice to christians when he can't even come down to solve the issues having to do with the adulteration of his supposed words. We aren't talkin about people doubting him here but people who genuinely have faith like you. Bloke is definitely the author of confusion.

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@Topic:

Food for Thought.

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Why don't you start quoting from books of Enoch,Jubilees,and other writings that were not canonised.

The fact remains that not less than 100 scrioptural writings existed before the Bible came into existence.

The RCC you so much hate brought the Bible into existence,if you don't like that fact go and hang yourself

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true talk chukwudi the RCC gave the bible that's why its filled with contradictions, inconsistencies and some will say errors. Its a true resemblance of what the RCC is

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I believe what she said is that they 'compiled' the bible. The various texts in the bible existed way before the bible existed. And yes, there were numerous texts considered scripture that did not make it into the bible.

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I didn't say the RCC wrote the scriptures nor did I insinuate it began with them and I'm not sure how you read that into my post. I simply said they had a hand in compiling the bible as we know it today, finish.

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this is grossly untrue. These scriptures were being read by the ancient church way before the RCC came on the scene. We know that copies of the old testament were kept in the temple and read in the synagogues. The gospels provide evidence of Christ reading from the book of Isaiah (no RCC existed then) and he also quoted from Deuteronomy and the book of Psalms.

Paul talks about his writings being copied and read among the churches too. Peter quotes some of the old testament writers too. Brother Jude also quotes the book of Enoch which is strangely missing from our copies of the bible.

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To read all the text go here

http://bible.org/article/why-i-do-not-think-king-james-bible-best-translation-available-today

Definately KJV is dangerous in Nigeria. I've just got back and I met a pastor who quoted "Suffer not a Witch to Live". For a start he kept quoting it wrong and saying "Suffer a witch to NOT live". For him Suffer meant that we had to torture witches and make them suffer in the modern sense of the word. He was one of those Mountain of Fire guys. I saw that to explain the original meaning of suffer to him would take too much time and effort and he still probably wouldn't get it.

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From the book of enoch:

http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/thebookofenoch.htm

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