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Islam And Changing Times?

How does the islamic religion adjust to the changing times in the new world order? I'm sure a lot of things found in the original koran are outdated in the modern world. How do they annex modern developments like artificial insemination, stem cell, gay marriage, female dress code, modern scientific inventions etc into the Islamic doctrine? Do they have a body in Mecca that approves the indoctrination or is it a question of do what you deem fit?

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Be content in your ways!

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Too bad you can't comprehend simple international politics. I always maintain many of you who post here are frankly ignorant of the world around you. The AKP islamist, the ruling party in Turkey this July narrowly escaped being banned by turkey's constitutional court for charges of trying to surreptitiously expunge the secular constitution in favour of islamist laws. The threat of a coup from the relatively secular Turkish army has also held the AKP in check to a certain extent.

Try and read up on latest news, it might keep hypocrites like you from sounding silly.

Its not a matter of "at least agreeing", its common knowledge. We also know this is because Turkey can't hope to gain EU membership if it morphed into an islamic state.

That's not true. I use it for specific reasons where i find the individual ACTIVELY being a hypocrite.

Another silly statement. America was founded by christians, based on christian principles and is largely a christian nation. Have you asked yourself why a muslim CAN NEVER expect to be voted into sensitive positions in the US? Cry all you want, the facts are bare . . . there is a reason tha t"In God we trust" is a motto of the US . . .

there is also a reason that "one nation under God" is part of the US pledge of allegiance. And NO, the "God" being refered to there is NOT Allah but the God of the bible.

Stay there playing the hypocrite as usual. I asked a valid question . . . why do you prefer to live in the US instead of islamic countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and co? Its funny you ask others to "see islam" when you prefer to live in a christian nation. Ever wondered why "palestinian arabs" would rather go to the US rather than Egypt, Jordan or Saudi Arabia to further their education? Are these not the same hypocrites who danced on the street and shared sweets after 9-11?

The more you "see islam" the more you make up your mind NEVER to entertain such a vile and despicable destroyer of men's souls.

This is the most foolish lie i ever heard. Rome is home to everyone . . . christian, muslim, athiest, catholic . . . .

Israel is also home to everyone . . . christian, muslim, athiest, catholic.

where do you get your brazen lies from? Isnt ramadan period a time to learn not to tell such despicable untruths?

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@David,

Do you want to review your post?

Well at least you agree that Turkey is not an Islamic state, so do not use the rules of Turkey as proof of Islam changing.

You are quick to throw the word “hypocrite at anyone you disagree with. Ramadan is on, I will not be trading words with you.

Ref: http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-164841.0.html

I will address your questions as best as I can, insha Allah.

I live in America for the same reason that you, the Jew/Xtian can live NEITHER in Israel nor Rome.

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@Queenisha,

"fitnah" as used in my post means  

Blocking the way and turning people away AND  Persecution,.

Since you know so much about the Quran, I am surprised that you ask for the meaning.

As for the fate of[b]Abi  Lahab[/b],  Below is a Yusus Ali translation of Allah's word on him.

"In the name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful

Perish the hands of the Father of Flame! Perish he!

No profit to him from all his wealth and all his gains

Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of blazing Flame

His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood as fuel

A twisted rope of palm-leaf fibre round her (own) neck"

Pretty much doomed in this world and the next! He did a lot of "fitnah" to muslims in the time of the Prophet (pbuh).

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@luqman46, ayinba1 and ife-eco-06

D reasons why some people here can never understand the point u are tryin to make on this thread are found in Quran (surah 2, verse 6-7), so pls dont bother urself any more.

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@ Queenisha, "The laws of the Koran may not change but the humans can change those archaic laws and punishments to suit the times they live in"

it is clear that u ar totally ignorant. the Qur'an is a complete revelation from God. it defines the entire way of life of a muslim even for generations to come. not everything u call mordernism is positive,as a matter of fact, every positive mordernism has a comprehensible explanation in the Qur'an.

the Qur'an is a holy book, and the purest book without any addition nor subtraction since it was revealed. for u to call it archaic is insulting God's intelligence.

for man to change the laws of a holy book means the book will lose its meaning as holy. u have said so much wrongs, may Allah have mercy on u.

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But I can assure you people will answer your questions with scriptures even if they don't give you the answers you're looking for

and you won't be lashed with bulala for asking them.

If I were a Muslim for instance,I would ask why Islam condemns lying and turns around and condones lying in 3 circumstances.

Let someone oppose me and I'll show those circumstances.

Infact what the heck!

one of them is that a man can lie to his wife in order to maintain marital peace (paraphrasing)

I guess it's now up to an individual or each individual sharia to define what extent he can go

How deceptive

see this http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyya.htm

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you can always change churches. No one will kill you.

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Turkey is not an islamic nation for one reason - it wants so desperately to join the EU. Turkey has an influential AKP (islamic party) that wants nothing more than to turn Turkey into the european equivalent of saudi arabia. The only saving grace is the relatively secular army that keeps them in check.

For once, there are muslims who see a glaring truth . . . there is nothing but retrogression, violence and underdevelopment to be gained in turning a growing economy into an islamic fiefdorm. Why are the Turks so bent on joining a largely christian (at least in name and history) Europe?

We've all seen islam. From Saudi arabia to Sudan, Kano, Sokoto, Gaza, Pakistan . . . my dear hypocrite Ayinba1 . . . why are you living in a christian USA rather than an islamic saudi arabia . . .?

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Depends osisi. While I agree on the most part. You have to admit some churches look down on their members asking question or bring up different view

This is just one of the examples of such

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Please answer one simple question for me.

According to the hadiths, how old was aisha when she married Mohammed ?

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Have you also noticed that the Muslim Yoruba women have the highest rate of divorce in Nigeria and the reason often cited in the divorce papers is "lack of spousal support" /abandonment.

So how could that happen if you'recapable of treating your wives equally.

Isn't it common knowledge that aisha was Mohammeds favourite wife and the other wives were often jealous of her?

If the man you tell us is your perfect example could not love his 14 abi 16 wives equally, how on earth do you think you can?

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Just one more muslim caught in a lie - ife-eco

"SIN" as a concept does not exist in the quran or hadiths. It is simply a modern muslim plagiarism of a christian concept.

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So the verse you all parrot regarding "let your religion be yours" is all lies.

Pure altaquiyyah to deceive readers when it suits you.

How come a Muslim who leaves Islam is not worthy of living?

Who knows how many of you are bored and frustrated with the thing but stay on for fear of being beheaded even by your own relatives way before the sharia police hear of it.

And you wonder why some of us say Islam is evil?

If for instance someone killed Cat stevens for converting to Islam ,do you think it's justifiable.

To kill a man for making a choice ?

The problem is that most of you don't ask yourselves basic questions.

You're not encouraged to think

Infact you're flogged by your koranic teachers at childhood for thinking and asking questions such as these

They tell you asking questions about the Koran and Mohammed is evil

so you swallow these things then regurgitate them to your hearers who undoubtedly don't swallow everything they're told and you come off sounding crazy in public.

In Sunday school,we're encouraged to air our views and learn

That's why Christians tend to be more curious and innovative.

We're encouraged to reason and ask questions.

Just look at debates by Christians on Christian issues here on nairaland and you'll see what I mean.

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Has that highlighted word no English meaning?

why is it that you bunch go off talking jibberish in discussions, do you suppose I know what fitnah and lalakatalam mean?

That is a little rude.

Speak in words that your readers can understand

Turkey of course has to be secular.

They want to join the EU as a full member and have to prove that they qualify to do so.

The laws of the Koran may not change but the humans can change those archaic laws and punishments to suit the times they live in.

Like someone already mentioned,a fornicator could be forgiven or punished in other ways besides stoning,(if she must be punished by her fellow sinful and fornicating men).

Likewise homosexuality should still be frowned against and preached against without the homosexual being stoned to death

Don't you folks say Allah is merciful?

Where are the mercies then when a sinner is not given a chance to repent

The rest of the Islamic world ought to borrow a leaf from Turkey.

The more the sharia lands emulate Turkey,the more peace we'll have.

None of you  are any holier than your Turkish brethren who choose to abide by the human rights codes and not amputate the hands of petty thieves or stone apostates in the village square.

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I happen to have read her views in our various threads over the last 2 years and I'm pretty much saying her own words.

I don't have the time but I could easily pull up threads where some Muslim men like yourself chastized her for saying she will not be one of many wives and will not let a man lay his hands on her in the name of correcting her.

Has she disputed me so far?

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keep deceiving yourself

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@Queenisha,

Any thing practised by muslims which is at odds with the Quranic injunctions is NOT a good thing for muslims or Islam, it is a good thing for/to you because you rejoice that muslims have began to be led astray as you are.

Now let me tell you one thing, the laws in the Quran are not subject to change. We cannot claim to understand every single verse and as understanding increases, insha Allah, you may find adoptions which you call "change". If you understand this, you will rest your mind.

Turkey is not an Islamic nation, at least you should know a little about government unless of course all you do here is fitnah.

I hope that you allow yourself to see Islam, if you convert, even better. If you die in this state, you will find yourself with the likes of Abi Lahabi. that will be such a waste.

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@aloy emeka,

Are you for REAL?

Ridiculous! I cannot believe that there is any white and gray matter in that contraption that sits on your neck!

Good Lord!

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A book all Muslims in the house have to read:The Islamic Nation, Status & Future of Muslims in the New World Order.

Anybody trying to rule in the Islamic perpective[i] must[/i] read this book. Am almost finishing!

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Let mukina say her view, its non of ur business. she did not act upon it but only utter, Action speaks louder than voice

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Men are always the head and not women, i don't see that dimishing except in the western world.

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Why in some society polygamy is ban is because the men are not capable of dealing among their wives justice

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According to sharia law when one is sentenced to death, d leader will ve to approve it,if he likes he forgives d accused

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It is bluttant lie to say scholar re adjusting the age of Aisha before she married, this tradition continues forever

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Some muslim country and not islamic country ban hijab in university e.g Turkey, thats because Turkey is a secular Nation

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in Islam the punishment of an apostasy is execution, check Quran 9:11,12 & 2:214, there is also a hadith on it.

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Ignorance in the heart of the unbelievers, may Allah guide you to the right path amin

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Euthenasia is a well accepted doctrine in todays islam. There are other practices the Islamic community are adopting these days but are strangely against the teachings of muhammadu.

Do muslim womenn wear bra?

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We don't even know what to believe again. Why fragment islam like this? Which one holds the absolute truth, the Turkish/western moslims, the eastern muslims or the west African muslims because it seems their tenets are totally different?

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Better answer from a non muslim.

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Female dress code, modern scientific inventions and stem cells??

I think It all depends on the individuals. . . . . . .

There are zealots who turn things around to suit themselves while there are normal people who accept changes.

I have got many muslim pals here in London and they embrace the new world without stress.

Although GAY MARRIAGE is still a no-no to em just like some Christians will not embrace homosexuality.

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Gbam!!!!

@Bold, Tunisia recently adopted that rule too.

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Which judgment? we christians shall not be judged because Christ already paid the price. Good luck on your judgment before God and I hope you can afford a good moslem lawyer by then. How can Queenisha be judged when she'll be on the right hand of God asking Him to have mercy on your soul because you refused to accept Christ when you were in the world?

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@Queenisha

He that knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everything you wrote,  hope you will have the courage to repeat them on the day of judgement.

@ife-eco-06

May Allah reward you abundantly

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some death by stoning offences are now jail times

But you did not say bring what authorized the change. Nobody can change Allah's laws. Whoever change stone offences to jail terms do so at their own whims, definitely not for Islam.

some Islamic countries now make polygamy illegal

Thank God you said Islamic Countries, not ISLAM. Even if Saudi does it, inasmuch as it is not what Islam says, they are not part of Islam and cannot be smuggled into Islam.

The hijab and burqua are not allowed in some schools and Universities,Turkey is an example

And so therefore? It is Turkey and those countries that are changing(deviating), not Islam

marrying underage girls is illegal now in some

All these underage marriage talk are nothing but propaganda against Islam,in the first place. So I wont join issues with you here. But even if Islam sanctions the so-called underage marriage, the fact that some countries ban it doesn't mean it is no longer part of Islam.

and women are now more that tilths in some places

I can't stop laughing!!! It is these women that are changing(for worse anyway), not Islam.

that verse in the koran about husband scourging their wives has the word "lightly "added to it and the modern translations have taken it out outright

They now try to prove that aisha was older than 6 because they now know pedophilia is a crime and frowned at by decent human beings

A wanton dispaly of ignorance!!!

Even the meaning of jihad has changed from holy war from when Usman dan fodio did his thing to struggle by modern muslims.

The meaning of Jihad cannot be changed. It was and still HOLY STRUGGLE. Yes, if the struggle requires war, war is still jihad. Struggle is just an encompassing war. War is a subset of struggle(Jihad)

Some muslims now outrightly condemn barbaric acts like stonings and amputations and honor killing which were accepted in mohammed's time

I agree with with you that Some muslims, as you mentioned have changed, but definitely not Islam.

Muslims now listen to music despite Mohammeds disdain for it

Again you bury the corpse leaving out the legs. Muslims listening to music doesn't mean the Islamic rule on it has changed. The death of the Prophet marked the closure of the 'constitution'. So even if millions of Muslims do it, taht doesn't mean it has become part of Islam.

killing of apostates is now illegal in some muslim quarters despite what the koran said

Thank God, you did not say Koran does not say it again.

mukina for instance will not be a second wife to any one, she's independent, converses with males with no strings attached, dresses well, does not need permission from a male to go wherever she chooses, will not let anyman scourge her and she is still a muslim and there are millions like her.

Who cares!!! We don't look at person in Islam,we look at the the Qur'an and Sunnah.

You have only proved that Muslims are changing, not Islam. And this is why there is the term SIN(drifting from Allah's laws).

A SMALL ADMONITION TO MY MUSLIM BROTHERS/SISTERS

May Allah not make us among those that will misrepresent Islam. Queenisha was able to name some of us(individuals and countries) as examples of PEOPLE/COUNTRIES that represent CHANGED 'ISLAM'.

This is serious. Even a non-Muslim knows us as doing what ISLAM frowns at, and was trying to smuggle those practices into Islam.

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Who says Islam is not changing?

some death by stoning offences are now jail times

some Islamic countries now make polygamy illegal

The hijab and burqua are not allowed in some schools and Universities,Turkey is an example

That's progress and modernization

marrying underage girls is illegal now in some

and women are now more that tilths in some places

that verse in the koran about husband scourging their wives has the word "lightly "added to it  and the modern translations have taken it out outright

They now try to prove that aisha was older than 6 because they now know pedophilia is a crime and frowned at by decent human beings

Even the meaning of jihad has changed from holy war from when Usman dan fodio did his thing to struggle by modern muslims.

Some muslims now outrightly condemn barbaric acts like stonings and amputations and honor killing which were accepted in mohammed's time

Muslims now listen to music despite Mohammeds disdain for it

killing of apostates is now illegal in some muslim quarters despite what the koran said

mukina for instance will not be a second wife to any one, she's independent, converses with males with no strings attached, dresses well, does not need permission from a male to go wherever she chooses, will not let anyman scourge her and she is still a muslim and there are millions like her.

That's change my dear

there are many more changes,don't let them fool you

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Good lectures from Littleb and Olabowale. Wanted to join the discussion but I can see you are already doing justice to it. May Allah increase you in wisdom and knowledge.

May He also let Deepzone see the truth as truth and be able to follow it.

Jazakumullahu khaeran

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There is no change! I think you should understand rules from scientific advancement perspective. During the life of prophet, there was no aeroplane. Are you now saying that for muslims to approve the usage of aeroplane has changed the rules in Islam! There many scientific inventions which were not stated by what you use, however thier purpose were clearly defined in the Quran and hadith. The purpose maybe to safe life or resolving conceptual difficulties. Thus, the the Ijma(The consensus) approves it which makes it compatible with Quran and Sunnah. Will you reverse the days to stone age and prove the same?

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@Olabowale, LittleB just confirmed that artificial insemination has been approved unanimously by the islamic community, Is that not a form of change?

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@DeepZone,

Brother, Qur'an is not outdated in any form and it's very much complaince with the changing world; both scientifically and socially.

Generally, rulings on any subjects in Islam is subjected to four sources acccordingly:

1. The Qur'an - the primary source

2. The Sunah - the traditions of the prophet

3. Ijma - Consensus of the Hulamaa(scholars). Mostly performed by muslims jusrist in such community after several shuura(consultation)

4. Qiyas - Analogy. Provided it has not been stated clearly in the preceding sources.(carried out after several shuura)

The pronouncement of legal injunctions regarding societal norms is known as Sharia Law which is subjected to the above four citations sources. This is also supported by Quran and hadith itself. Mostly, sharia law is mostly applicable in an organised islamic community and there is always a committee for it.

Now, on the issue of scientific invention; islam view any scientific discoveries or invention to be for the purpose of societal procreation and not destruction and also not against the societal norms and order. More importanlty, it must be carried out within the fold of sharia law.

The issue of artificial insemination have been unanimously agreed and approved according to sharia. However, the guided rule is also provided by sharia on  why, who and how it should be carried out. Most importantly, between the lagally married couple and carried out by trusted qualified personnels. Also, on stem cells; there are lot of issues on it and my able law teacher has not been able to prove it to me according to sharia. However, from my research, I think it is permitted but the purpose need to be checked. More importantly, the guided rules on sharia have to be followed. My line is not medical, but I learnt it is for research purpose. Gay marriage is forbidden while female dress code is very well addressed and the evidence is what you see arround you. However, you can exanpciate on what you mean by women dress code.

There is always a sharia group in local and national Islamic environment that address critical and genuine societal issues and also globally. You shouldn't approach anything ignorantly in Islam and most important, not as you wish.

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@Deepzone: Islam is perfect, in it entirety from the Qur'an and in the explanation found in the Sunnah and Hadith. In all things under the heavens, and above it, if the condition that you call doctrine, is incompatible with what is already in the Qur'an and any injuction of the Sunnah/hadith, it will be unacceptable, espectially if it is against what is wholesome in its base in Islam. For example, gay marriage or its practices will never be acceptable in Islam. The doctrine and stand in Islam is NO!

Deepzone, Islam is not like Christianity or Judaism or Hinduism or Taoism or Atheism, etc which can always change from time to time. Only falsehood changes. Truth remains firm and constant.

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