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Isn't Lying Sometimes Justifiable And Can It Still Be Considered Sin?

-Instances like maybe lying about the death of a loved one to their loved ones to save them hear ache

-Maybe u failed or were failing in school but tell ur parents otherwise since they r doing so much for u not to disappoint them and try to do better before they find out?

And so much

In these cases, wouldn't lying be justified? or would it still be considered a sin?

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Very well.

But how does one validate the religious definitions of sin.Where is the absolute(the law) on which the idea of sin is based upon?On the will,the likes and dislikes of scriptural gods like yahweh?Is that not supernatural subjectivism.

Can the definition of sin as anything that pisses off yahweh the god of the jews be taken seriously by anyone outside the religious circle?

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Right, the 'law' of gravity says that masses are attracted to each other with a force that is positively proportional to the mass and inversely proportional to the distance between them.

How does flying transgress this law?

By Order I meant a appropiation that is an Ideal. A logos. A dharma. A Tao. an Ayanmo or Ipin.

You can either believe there is one or not. I can't really think of a way to argue the case for it.

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How can you help me out of my ignorance when you can't do much about yours,eh?You need to take care of yours first,and you can't even get that far until you have finally come to the realization that you are ignorant and living in a religious delusional bubble.

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So if i go against the force of gravity,like fly by any means,i will be transgressing or sinning?Interesting perspective.

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dont derail this again. . . . .we have agreed that u are ignorant. . , .what we are doing now is to attempt to find a solution to ur ignorance. . .ok?

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Sin, or Transgression as I understand it depends on certain beliefs.

It depends on the belief that there is an inherent order to the universe.  A Cosmos.  

Gradi- is a latin term for to move, or to Go.  Even to walk.  So Pro-Gress (pro forward, and gradi, go) means to go forward.  To Re-gress means to go back.  In gress, to go in.  Trans-gress is to Go Across.  Trans means across.  

So if  you are walking from east to west and I am walking from west to east then I am transgressing you.  

If there is an order or a law of being that applies to me, yet I act not in accordance to it but at variance to it then I am Transgressing it.  

So to transgress or sin requires that there is first a Natural, or True movement, or way that I have to be.  

I personally believe that this is true that I have a appropriation and that I'm better off by not violating this appropriation.  So I subsequently admit that I am capable of transgression or sin.

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I apologise for the slight derailment of your thread.

What has my conscience telling me what is wrong got to do with sin and the way it is understood by people today,especially religious folks.

When the jewish mad god,yahweh,told isaac to sacrifice his son to him by cutting his throat on an alter,did isaac's conscience not prick him that he is about to commit something abominable,kill his own son?

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ur question has been answered. go get the holy spirit.

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my post has almost been derailed and yet no one really seemed 2 answer my question or give me more.

jagunlabi, there is sin even before u, u have a conscience dat says sumthin is wrong @ least.

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why do u have a problem defining sin in reference to ur beliefs?

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As a christian,your doctrine has been telling you that it is sin to go against the wishes of your god,right?That is basically what a christian definition of sin is.But since those divine wishes are open to all sorts of different interpretations(depending on which christian you talk to and how the scriptures are interpreted),that definition shows quite clearly what an illusory thing sin is.

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you are simply trying to illustrate the muslim and christian world view of sin without

a. defining sin

b. demonstrating an understanding of sin with regards to ur personal beliefs.

while u have a point as regards to the different view of christians and muslims with regards to sin, I find ur assertion in ur first post contradicting and inexplicable.

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So break it down for me why what i wrote is intellectually bankrupt?

An example; as a christian that you are,you are a walking,talking and breathing SIN to a muslim because in his own view,it is wrong,thus a SIN, not to follow islam and the teachings of prophet mohammed.

Now here is a rhetorical question, would you agree with that?Ofcourse you wouldn't.And neither would a muslim agree to being a sinner simply because he does not abide by the christian doctrine.

Now can you see why this sin of a thing is subjective and illusory,and that it has no absolute reality and value?I am sure you can.

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dont u consider this assertion intellectually bankrupt, considering that this was what u stated initially.

1. u claimed that there is NOTHING called sin

2. u attributed the defining components of sin to be made by the mind for RIGHT or WRONG THINGS.

3. u asserted that sin in itself is SUBJECTIVE and ILLUSORY.

Are these three points u made in just one post not CONTRADICTORY? they reflect confusion of the mind. did u actually think u were addressing a bunch of illiterates?

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I do not get your point.

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For me,there is no such thing as SIN.I have already stated that.So there is no point defining what is basically an illusory thing.

You are the christian which means that you are big on sin,so you define it.

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define the word SIN in the simplest terms, with reference/emphasis to ur belief as a theist, atheist, satanist or deist.

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Explain why it is that.

What is sin to you as a christian may not be to a adherent of another religion.The religion you subscribe to determines what you consider as sin.Is it not?There is no absoluite determinant of what makes up a sin,is there?Is that not enough to make you stop for a moment and think?

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Sometimes you wonder if these folks are being forced to address topics like this.

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Another expulsion of ignorance.

I think it bugs down to the main intent. but with the presence of the holy spirit, it is usually very easy to tell the truth at all times.

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There is no such thing as sin.Our minds make up these rights and wrongs that are only subjective and illusory.

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since u know that u cant define sin, u should simply not have responded to the OP. dont Erupt ur IGNORANCE on every thread.

Sin is an inaction (a transgression) to a subject (God).

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1)I can't define sin because for me it does not exist.And that is in reference to what i believe and know.

You are the believer in sin,so you define it.

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