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Karma: Is It Real ?

What exactly is Karma ?

Do you believe in it ?

Is it real ?

Why do people often suggest that you wait for Karma to act on your behalf ?

Pls explain if you can.

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When u sin God forgive and can still call u his son and accept u in heaven but u suffer the punishment for the sin like David and other people in the bible.

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For the wages of sin is death; Romans 6:23

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I think that he means: as a man sows, so shall he reap.

and . . . : The wages of Sin is death.

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karma is based on  saṃsāra.  the fundimental beliefs of ancient india and is an eastern belief system (buddists. sikhs, hindues, jains and was around long before christiaity).  if your talking the "golden rule" in chrisianity that is based on the three fold law of western europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Fold_Law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saṃsāra

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it is also based on some biblical principals.

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@Horus

karma is the religious belief of the Buddists.

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If you sow yam and ask God for forgiveness and mercies, it might be possible to reap Corn,

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deceive urselves all u want!

U cannot sow yam and reap corn.

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odi asure

Evil become Good fortune

This is from the Odu Okanran meji in which the tale is told about the tall rooster, akuko ogogoro, that wanted to bless but every time he opened his mouth curses were just coming out. however instead of bad things to happen blessings started to fall. The negative energy had been turned around to positive. this was all due to a certain rainfall that fell.

ojo pa akuko

rain fell on the rooster

Ire re o di odi

his fortunes became negative

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Pastor, ewo le wi yin oo,

ejo, e explain nkan te fe so in ilu ede oyinbo

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Sakoto mo ja lawa,

A difa fun akuko ogogoro,

Ni ojo to lo re saroji fun won ni ife oodaye,

Ojoo

pakuko, Ire idi re dodi,

asubi awo,

odi asure

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lets say someone sows something bad through their actions, and asks for forgiveness, what will they reap ? do they still reap something bad or does forgiveness turn such a Karma into positive ?

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It means that if you sow seeds of faith in RCCG then sooner or later EFCC will come knocking on your door.

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even in the bible it is written what you sow you will reap. pls can somebody tell me what this implies

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what in the name of androgyny is happening here

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yes the distinction is necessary don't you think? both in the social scene and the biological sense - for purposes of research at least

me sef i no dey go worry. why i go worry? na me bee your aso ibora ni

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se emi lon ba wi? you prefer alhaji? since you are confused about your gender now

you betta change that thing back to female, now!

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you will reap what you sow,, then where does forgiveness come in and can't karma be reversed ? If someone does something bad and asks for forgiveness, can bad karma be turned to good ?! the bible talks about forgiveness, yea ?

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pasko alhaja ki ni oruko e

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lol ashewo ni e o. fhuck her sibe abi

you need deliverance

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ori e ti fokaposa sibe

how is karma coming along?

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panko, how nau? shei you dey today

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@ m_ nwankwo, lets take your first statement.

there are some people who DO NOT believe in god but believe in the functions of karma and there are some people who trust god and there is NO need for Karma so on what basis are you stating your opinion ?

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The second part is shown below:

Karmic reactions take into consideration the entire spiritual history and evolution of man, not just his present earth life. My belief is that all human beings have been on earth at least 7-10 times in different guise, sex, nationality and even religion. Thus even a new born child is an old soul in a young body and atimes comes into this present life with heavy karmic entaglements that will significantly affect the lives of the parents, siblings and the larger society. What happens to each person in this present earthlife is a small snapshot of his entire existence. Only when ones spiritual eyes are opened and he or she can survey the entire existence, right from the point God created him or her to present life will such a one realise that what has happened, is happening or will happen to us is in one way or the other came from us. It is either that we sowed the seeds, or we requested for the seeds to be sowed on our behalf or we asked to taste the fruit of a seed we did not sow so as to learn from it etc,

A knowlege of reincarnation will simply make us see things entirlely in a different light. Just imagine a christian who spends so much time and energy mocking islam and then the bandage that blocks the inner eyes of most people fell off from such a one and the christian then realises that he is mocking the same teaching he helped to set up as a prominent moslem several hundreds of years ago. Or imagine one praying to one saint or the other to intercede for him only to realise that 2000 years ago, he or she is the saint that he is praying to. It has some drama when such a one realises that he has been praying to himself.

Thus even if on earth, injustice appear to take the upper hand, one should not worry for the justice of God will return to each one the fruits of his sowing without exception. The harvest is however not determined by our human wishes and expectations but by the laws of God.  The beginning and the end is always as God wills it but the "space" or "time" between the beginning and the end can have detours and byepaths that does not lead to the will of God. These detours and evil voiltions/paths were introduced by creatures that have free will. Cheers.

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Hi Ako. I complained that my post on this subject was deleted and I requested that you restore the post. It seems that you have not taken any action in that connection. Thus I will split that post into two in the hope that it will not be deleted. The first path is shown below:

Karma is a manifestation of the justice and love of God. In simple terms, it means that what each person, creature or even a particle sends out into seen and unseen universe comes back to the originator. In travelling through the visible and invisible worlds, the vibrations sent out amalgamate with similar vibration or energy  and thus comes back to the originator with much more strength and power than he, she or it originally sent out. Thus you sow a grain of corn and you reap not just a grain but cubs of corn containing hundreds of grain. What happens with a grain physically also happen with our thoughts, words, actions and even our intutions and motives. If what we originally sent out sprung from pure motives, then they return what people regard as blessings and if they are impure, then, they return to us what often is regarded as problems, evil and similar things. Karmic reaction is however not a straight line because their are billions and trillions of vibrations that form the tapetry of ones fate and each of these vibrations have a say in what will manifest at a particular point in time. Indeed, every single second, new vibrations are added and these new vibrations can be so strong that it literally changes ones fate. Thus, one can change his karma by applying his God given free will in another direction. To love genuinely and purely can easily break bad karmic entaglements such that what would have cut off a persons head may end up removing his cap or even bringing him a good fortune. Spritual guides can easily percieve what lies in our karmic fate and through admonition to our spirits (often not counscious to many), they bring us to circumstances and events that help us to reap the fruits of our good seeds or prevent us from circumstances or events that will harm us. Because most of us  are not aware of this guidance from above, we call it providence or grace because we did not see a cause or reason for what good fortune that effortlessly dropped into our lap or the reason why we were mysteriously saved from a terrible fate. The reality though is that we were led to circumstances, processes or events albeit unconscious to our brain where the fruits of our sowing have ripened. Thus their is no process or event without a cause but most often the cause does not lie in the physically observable universe. Thus the cause comes from a source that lies beyound what our physical senses and instrumentations that aid them can see.

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No. you will still reap what you sew, karma have nothing to do with religion or belief.

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karma exists in religions that believein reincanation. your soul is punished in the next life for its actions in its current life. kinda howchristians are punished in thier afterlife for sins of thier life

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Hi Mr Moderator. I made a contribution on this topic and it was deleted. Please, kindly post my contribution. I guess your spam filter deletes long posts. Cheers

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Karma is a manifestation of the justice and love of God. In simple terms, it means that what each person, creature or even a particle sends out into seen and unseen universe comes back to the originator. In travelling through the visible and invisible worlds, the vibrations sent out amalgamate with similar vibration or energy  and thus comes back to the originator with much more stength and power than he, she or it originally sent out. Thus you sow a grain of corn and you reap not just a grain but cubs of corn containing hundreds of grain. What happens with a grain physically also happen with our thoughts, words, actions and even our intutions and motives. If what we originally sent out sprung from pure motives, then they return what people regard as blessings and if they are impure, then they return to us what often is regarded as problems, evil and similar things. Karmic reaction is however not a straight line because their are billions and thrillions of vibrations that form the tapetry of ones fate and each of these vibrations have a say in what will manifest at a particular point in time. Indeed, every single second, new vibrations are added and these new vibrations can be so strong that it literally changes ones fate. Thus, one can change his karma by applying his God given free will in another direction. To love genuinely and purely can easily break bad karmic entaglements such that what would have cut off a persons head may end up removing his cap or even bringing him a good fortune. Spritual guides can easily percieve what lies in our karmic fate and through admonition to our spirits (often not counscious to many), they bring us to circumstances and events that help us to reap the fruits of our good seeds or prevent us from circumstances or events that will harm us. Because the average man is not aware of this guidance from above, he calls it providence or grace because he did not see a cause or reason for what good fortune that effortlessly dropped to his lap or the reason why he was mysteriously saved from a terrible fate. The reality though is that he was led to circumstances, processes or events albeit unconscious to our brain where the fruits of our sowing have ripened. Thus their is no process or event without a cause but most often the cause does not lie in the physically observable universe. Thus the cause comes from a source that lies beyound what our physical senses and instrumentations that aid them can see.

Karmic reactions take into consideration the entire spiritual history and evolution of man, not just his present earth life. My belief is that all human beings have been on earth atleast 7-10 times in different guise, sex, nationality and even religion. Thus even a new born child is an old soul in a young body and atimes comes into this present life with heavy karmic entaglements that will significantly affect the lives of the parents, siblings and the larger society. What happens to each person in this present earthlife is a small snapshot of his entire existence. Only when ones spiritual eyes are opened and he or she can survey the entire existence, right from the point God created him or her to present life will such a one realise that what has happened, is happening or will happen to us is in one way or the other came from us. It is either that we sowed the seeds, or we requested for the seeds to be sowed on our behalf or we asked to taste the fruit of a seed we did not sow so as to learn from it etc,

A knowlege of reincarnation will simply make us see things entirlely in a different light. Just imagine a christian who spends so much time and energy mocking islam and then the bandage that blocks the inner eyes of most people fell off from such a one and the christian then realises that his is mocking the same teaching he helped to set up as a prominent moslem several hundreds of years ago. Or imagine one praying to one saint or the other to intercede for him only to realise that 2000 years ago, he or she is the saint that he is praying to. It has some drama when such a one realises that he has been praying to himself. Ofcourse, it is understandable if many will laugh at this and dismiss it as figment of my imagination, yet some day even those individuals will experience the very thing I am saying. There own time will come.

Thus even if on earth, injustice appear to take the upper hand, one should not worry for the justice of God will return to each one the fruits of his sowing without exception. The harvest is however not determined by our human wishes and expectations but by the laws of God.  The beginning and the end is always as God wills it but the "space" or "time" between the beginning and the end can have detours and byepaths that does not lead to the will of God. These detours and evil voiltions/paths were introduced by creatures that have free will. Cheers.

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Oh yes they do and this is a crucial point. If there is a law of Karma, is it the only principle or law that determines what happens. What about spontaneity? Is this possible? That is an event that has no prior cause but just springs up spontaneously. Also is it possible for a causal chain to be broken.

Well my answer as a christian is yes, karma is not the only law that determines what happens. Yes, indeed our actions have a causal effect on what happens next. Not just actions, but words thoughts and deeds. The wages of Sin is death. That is a simple karmic/causal connection.

However that chain can be broken. So we no longer have to suffer the dire consequences of our actions. By the same token it is possible to receive a blessing that is totally undeserved from a karmic point of view.

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okay, lets I say I kill someone for example, <for a justified reason but we all agree that killing is still bad> , and I seek the face of god for forgiveness hereinafter,

Will i still sow evil or is my evil deeds wiped away after forgiveness, at that point, does karma change from bad to good ?

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pk, refer to horus for the answer to your question.

given the above living guidelines, you would lean more in favor of doing good, right? Or do you prefer to sow evil?

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No its a real question,

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pk,

Is that a rhetorical question?

your boyfriend dey try

how does he manage with you

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I thank you for confirming that you are a bloody .

Where again did I say that bad things don't happen to good people. . .? Wouldn't that contradict my earlier statement of what karma is?

You have issues with comprehension.

The law of karma is basically based on two assumptions. It gives us this impression that the universe is a fair place. Tell me, is that true? That's up for debate.Do good things always happen to those who do good, and do bad things always happen to assholes?

slowpoke.

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you make no sense. So are you suggesting that misfortunes don't happen to good people ? !

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Your principal only told you that to make you feel better about yourself, my dia.

Yes they obviously do, and your question was a perfect example. Playing "twisters" with my words won't get you anywhere.

Of course with Karma, if you are notorious for being a bad Bottom you should expect some misfortunes to come your way.

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No such thing as a foolish question.

Im asking if Karma is Real and you have claimed that it is not real to you,  NOW KEEP IT MOVING.

keep it moving CHOOCHOO.

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Pako stop asking me foolish questions. Who told you revenge is necessary? You have been feverishly wishing you could pop one in James Bassey's forehead, and I have told you several times that I don't see how that makes you a better person.

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I guess what im saying is this: if someone offends you, what is the point of karma if one doesn't see the person getting punished,

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@pasakosa

The reaction is NOT an "unknow reaction".

If you do a Bad action you should expect a Bad reaction as the result of this action.

If you do a Good action you should expect a Good reaction as the result of this action.

You just reap what you sow.

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Thanks for the explicit explanation, others calls it the law of moral causation.

Scientifically, I think that one can prove that fire creates ashes,

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Karma is not something that you have to believe in. Karma is real. Every action produce a vibration and the result of this action will come back to the one who created this action. For every action there is a reaction, you cannot escape from the law of action and reaction. Good actions create a good karma, Bad actions create a bad karma.

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The Law of Karma, or in plain English the Law of Cause and Effect, Do I believe in it?

Well the greater part of human thought and science is based on the belief in Causality, but me, being the contrary kinda guy that I am, have my doubts. Why do events have to be related in a causal manner? It could be mere coincidence that Ash come after a fire, Can you prove that it is the fire that actually causes the AShes?

Most people believe in Karma, but disagree with just how it works. is it true that Good deeds will reap good rewards. Jesus seemed to think so. I think it could depends entirely on how you think about it.

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I don't know if it's real. I don't believe in it though

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why are u people arguing over this thing. it is in the bible (you will reap what you sow) is this not karma?

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