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this incident was reported in THIS DAY   http://odili.net/news/source/2007/jul/15/223.html

Man commits suicide for failure to memorise Holy Quran

07.15.2007

Sunday, July 15, 2007

A 25-year-old man, Abdullahi Maidawa, of Mamawa village in Bagudo Local Government area of Kebbi, has allegedly committed suicide over his inability to memorise the Holy Quran.

The News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) reports that Maidawa bathed himself with petrol in his room and set himself on fire.

He was alleged to have claimed that the action was in protest against his failure to master the Quran after about eight years of intensive studies.

Alhaji Muktari Ibrahim, the Police Commissioner in the state, confirmed the incident today in Birnin Kebbi in an interview with NAN.

He said all efforts to save the life of the deceased after he was rescued by the police yielded no positive result.

Ibrahim said the deceased died at a comprehensive health centre in Bogudo, here he was rushed to for treatment.

He said Maidawa had told police detectives on his hospital bed that he decided to take his life because he was "an orphan".

The commissioner said the deceased also cited his inability to memorise the Holy Quran as another reason for his action.

He said the police were unable to Btrace Maidawa's relations, and that he had been given a befitting burial on Thursday by the district head of Bagudo.

IF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO AND READY TO KILL THEMSELVES JUST BECAUSE OF  RELIGIOUS BOOKS, THE VALUE OF NON-ADHERENTS TO THEIR FAITH IS THEN WORTHLESS. NOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGE OF KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL THAT HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED INTO THEIR FEEBLE MINDS.

ANYWAY IT IS NOT SUPRISING, HAS IT IS BEING REPORTED THAT 72 VIRGINS OR SO ARE WAITING FOR THE MARTYRS IN ALJANNA OR WHATEVER PLACE THAT PLACE IS

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Okay I noticed that you are not ready to think . He gave you verses from other translations but you were glued to one. Please jst like I asked you in other thread, what is the relationship between a bird and an angel. A verse fro one translator said an angel while another said it was an eagle, please which do we accept. When you provide answer, I will then provide explanation on your ignorance.

Do we say KJV is right or other version cos they didnt mention same thing?

Same problem with you. He gave you explanation backing it up with HADITH. He even gave you different translators and what they meant but you are not satisfied, so if that is the case, lets apply the same test to the bible.

Which creature was crying in the sky in Revelation 8 v 13?

What was the age of saul when he began to reign and how long did he reign.? 1st samuel 13 v 1

So you dont know that some hadiths are fabricated. Oh no poor you. I am beginning to see that it will be a sheer waste of time arguing with you but I still dey kampe.

He did you are just making denials. So please provide explanation to the questions on the bible asked above.

Your noise making is not helping matters. the earlier you realize, the better for you. Please muslims provided explanation but you are nt satisfied abi, so please try to answer my questions too and lets see which of your versions is correct.

In addition to that, please what are the passing over. I have been asking this question but you have not answered me.

He said a good prayer for someone like that argue without basis and concrete proof but prefer making noise.

Still on the issue, Muslims have provided explanation so please try to explain the difference in versions of the bible to me too.

Thanks

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@babs787,

To make it easier for you, here is the thread - and the answers to the questions on Sura 19.71 that you haven`t musterred the courage to check out.

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Either of two things: you are too arrogant to realise you're actually dumb and make little sense or you are very resistant to truth.

and pray how did my post bring you to this conclusion? I made a simple analogy that PC appologists like you prefer to gloss over. YES 99% of muslims "claim" to be peaceloving but we all pretend as if the remaining 1% do not exist! They do and they number no less than 15millions! If it took 19 men to bring the US to its knees on 9-11, imagine what 15million will do when and not if they obtain superior weapons.

This is beside the point and a really silly to bring up. The problem is not with tiptronic's lengthy posts but that he like all other muslims here prefer to obfuscate their ignorance by making lengthy posts knowing fully well that very few will bother to read them. In a way, its just one more trick to dampen interest in the debate without looking silly.

Make use of the few brain cells you allege to have, even an can project what 99% of 1.5billion people is. The world population is not an exact figure but we all work and plan with estimates that are not far from the truth.

This is mere bollocks! If there are indeed christian extremists it should not be so difficult to build a pipe bomb and go blow up a market in Saudi Arabia just like you favorite muslims do. Wasnt Dan Brown's davinci code enough provocation?

People like you make complext intellectual reasoning begin to look like an endangered attribute.

Just like it took 4 people to bring down the WTC. Go figure.

No you don't have a point, you just love hearing yourself talk so you can decieve yourself into thinking you actually have anything upstairs.

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And your point is? what? that tiptronic is a suicide bomber hiding somewhere in Afghanistan waiting to pounce on victims?

besides, pilgrim' posts are pretty long too. no one's complaining about that.

anyways,the dialogue is between them both. i've seen some of your long Bottom posts too.

i quoted "at least 99%" i didn't say this was an exact figure. stop with the "maths"

whether you like it or not, there are christian bigots out there with deep anti-islamic sentiments (you're an example, no offense). some of these people will act on these feelings if given a chance.

it took one man (Hitler) to recruit millions of german youth to aid his evil mission against the jews.

i don't think you get my point but just laying it out there for you to make connections.

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tiptronic,please learn to summarize.

Who do you think has the time to read all of that?

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V .S .I

very sad indeed

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@davidylan my dear bros,

These guys are joking with me. There are tons of tafsirs that are clear on Sura 19:71 that EVERY MUSLIM will be taken to (or horded down into) Hell Fire - and they know it! The deception and hide-and-seek games they play is nauseating!

If Allah has not mentioned any bridge over Hell, they will quickly dash to some fabricated hadiths to construct such a bridge over hell. Well, I wish to remind them that not only has Allah signed Sura 19:71 as an absolute decree (a hatman decree), but he also has left them a double promise in this verse (Sura 77:7) --

"Most surely what you are threatened with must come to pass."

Me, I don waka comot for Hell fire longest time since the day Christ touched my heart and opened my eyes. I'm waiting to ask babs787 a serious question to make him reflect deeply on Allah's "mercy".

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this is another attempt to paper over the cracks.

Where is any reference made to any bridge over hell IN THE QURAN OR HADITH? All these vague references to "narrations" are bogus a best!

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@Tiptronic,

Quite often, Muslims come up trying to have word play on what is expressly declared in the Qur'an - be that as it may as we read them in the various English translations. As a result, some who argue that verse as referring to only disbelievers would come back again as the very same people who turn round to say it refers to "some" Muslims. Which is which?

On the one hand, I'm not the writer of the Qur'an; nor am I the one who promised to take people there by an irrevocable decree.

Second, any careful reader knows that Yusuf Ali, Shakir and Muhsin-Khan have played political adjustments on that verse. So, you can understand why I don't bother with their pun.

Cheers.

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is Hazara the group that is (/used to be) most discriminated against?

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Pilgrim,

But what is this supposed to mean? You need to state clearly what it is you are trying to argue for.

Are you trying to say all humans will enter the hell fire? And you could maybe seek the translations of others such as Yusuf Ali, Shakir etc, since no translation can be 100% accurate.

@ Weslayan, thanks for the explaination. Yes, I suppose its similar in Afghanistan too. We have many many ethnicities, languages, tribes etc. It really is a patchwork of differences and diversity. The pashtuns make up the majority and are generally in the south and east of the country. There are the other ethnic groups (Hazaras, Uzbeks, Tajiks,etc) many of which speak Dari. So yes, complicated stuff lol.

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the 50/50, north/south divide is pretty accurate but a simplified version.

let's just say that there are three major ethnic groups in Nigeria: Hausa (muslim), Igbo (christian) and Yoruba (christian and muslim mix)

hausas live in the north while yorubas and igbos stay in the south.

so, while the north is muslim, the south has a mixture of muslims and christians with mostly christians. the southern muslims are usually yoruba.

i think this explains why christians and muslims get along in the south: they are from the same ethnic group/ have more in common.

the religious (north vs south) clash in nigeria might as well have some ethnic (igbo vs hausa) undertones to it. hmm i never thought about this. lol

how is it in Afghanistan? are there different ethnic groups also?

i read Kite Runner. the author is from Afghanistan so i picked up some things about Afghanistan culture/ society from it but i've forgotten most of the story now. lol

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@Tiptronic,

Please take a look at the following and let us know what you think of the same:

Sura 19:71 --

[Dr. Ghali]:

'And decidedly not one of you (there is), except that he will go (herded) down to it;

that, for your Lord, has been a thing decreed, a must.'

[Muhammad Sarwar]:

'It is the inevitable decree of your Lord that every one of you will be taken to hell.'

[Sale]:

'There shall be none of you but shall descend into the same [hell]:

[This] is an established decree upon thy Lord.'

Regards.

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Wesleyan,

I myself am from Afghanistan. Truth be told, I don't know a great deal about Nigeria, but I always thought it was pretty much 50/50 Muslim/Christian, with the north/south divide. So there are also enclaves of Muslims down south then?

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where i lived in Nigeria, lagos to be exact, christians and muslims got along very well. I grew up with them and was best friends with some of them.

many Nigerians definitely are very pleasant people.

where are you from?

i don't think that most Nairaland users or nigerians have problems with muslims in general

It's just that the muslim haters are usually the loud ones. *cough* davidylan *cough* joking

plus the whole terrorism/ iraq war issue has given a bad reputation to muslims throughout the globe. which i think is unfair.

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Greetings!

I apologise David, but I fail to see your point.  The Surah says (and it always helps to read before and around it):

19:71 And every one of you will come within sight of it: [55] this is, with thy Sustainer, a decree that must be fulfilled.

Please would you care to explain?

WesleyanA, I have only joined now, so I haven't yet familiarised myself with the workings of the forum.  I must confess Im not Nigerian, but one particular friend of mine (a Christian no less) is Nigerian and is such a nice person.  Words fail me, but he has never said I word to hurt anyone, even if it be in jest.  I generally find the very few Nigerians I have met to be extremely pleasant people.  I suppose I just get on well with Africans in real life.  It just clicks.

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i believe he is slow, he should have tried another book before killing him self, thats crazy

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Care to read Sura 19:71 more carefully before you make erroneous statements?

I've always said that the worst hypocrites really are not muslims but those CHRISTIANS who think they do Christ a favour by being politically correct.

1. Where are the "hate words"? Please dont be ridiculously vague, highlight one or two!

2. It seems many of you prefer to do selective analysis. Where were you when a muslim posted a thread claiming that Jesus was a slave of Allah? those must be golden words of truth, love and tolerance.

Hypocrites reminiscent of the ancient pharisees and saducees!

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lmao.

just because one muslim commited suicide, she's asking if all muslims are ready to commit suicide. that really was silly. lol

Tiptronic, all the hate words i've seen on this site targeted against muslims is not even funny anymore. how do you feel about it? 'cause i'm sure i'll feel bad if i was muslim. i'm not even muslim and i still feel bad that it's happening.

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Greetings,

The Holy Quran expressly forbids any Muslim to commit Suicide. Hell is prescribed for such a person.

So how the Original Poster can infere that it was the Holy Book which taught him to do this is insane, when it inexplicably forbids such an action.

Poor man, may Allah have mercy on him. There is no such need to resort to such extreme measures. We must face the hardships as they are a test, and not take such a ill-fated route.

I think its safe to say that this is a relatively isolated case.

Peace

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moslems wont stop blowin up tins until they blow up d whole earth.

i hate them 4 dat

but there are still some good moslems

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Saying shut up will be inappropriate to use in your own case. But apply some common sense whenever you feel the need for verbal expulsion.

I did not START the thread neither did i give it the title. If you had bothered to read just 2 or 3 pages you should have seen where either i or pilgrim.1 reiterated that fact on more than 3 occassions!

If you have problems with your ability to comprehend and process complex information pls dont display it here or in response to any of my posts because you definitely will not like my rebuttal.

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@ davidylan

Shut up.

We all know you have a problem with Islam . Here is a thread you started your damn self

I hate muslims even though i shouldn't      http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-61555.0.html

@ mazaje

I agree with you 100%

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The guys action should not be blamed on islam, if islam is to blame for the guys actions then christianity should also be blamed for reverend Kings(the pastor that roasted some members of his church) actions too.

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i have stated the problem i have of his inability to memorise the quran. i dont know what problems you are talking about.

you  can continue to rant as you wish.

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lol Osisi leave WesleyanA alone, she's still a small child. Her posts left me chuckling to myself. Its good to be in denial.

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You are yet to know your Koran.

Sunan Abu-Dawud, Bk 2, #0461:

'Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The rewards of my people were presented before me, so much so that even the reward for removing a mote by a person from the mosque was presented to me. The sins of my people were also presented before me. I did not find a sin greater than that of a person forgetting the Qur'anic chapter or verse memorised by him.

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dont direct your vitriolic attack and your name calling to me better still you can direct your anger to the publisher of the news. Yes, im surprised that he committed suicide for the reason of his inability to memorise the koran that is why I asked the question if muslims are ready to commit suicide for inability to memorise the koran. do I owe you an apology methinks NOT!

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the guy said the main reason he tried to commit suicide was because he was an orphan and had no relatives. the police couldn't even trace people to take his body and had to bury him (many people including the Virginia tech guy commit suicide for this exact reason -loneliness)

he cited memorizing the koran as a secondary reason. the reason he probably undertook this ordeal was 'cause he was lonely and had nowhere to turn to.

you don't see too many people trying to memorize religious books, whether bible or koran.

the other thread on this exact same topic: "muslims, are you ready to commit suicide?" was offensive to muslims.

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you're silly. the lonely orphan has no family, friends whatsoever. nobody was there with him throughout his life and you are surprised that he commited suicide. plus, memorizing the koran was cited as a secondary reason. did anyone asked him why he was trying to memorize the koran?

this topic is offensive to muslims IMO. asking them if they're ready to commit suicide just because a depressed guy did.

well i just heard about a christian guy who took his life 'cause he was lonely/ had no friends. i don't really know to what extent he was religious but his memorial was a couple of months ago

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Yes, ignorance kills.

But this post was not meant to attack any religion.

Let us show the light to those who still grope in the darkness.

“Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day.”

~ Thomas Jefferson

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anyways, did this guy leave a suicide note or something? what's the source to this news?

people should have recognized signs etc before he took his life.

thank God the guy who shot kids at Virginia Tech wasn't Muslim. apparently, he did it because he was depressed.

if he were muslim, depression/ frustration doesn't count. lol it's his nasty religion that forced him to do it.

sometimes i wonder if people are unconsciously prejudiced.

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I'm still waiting to hear that some christian some where in the world burned him/her self for not understanding the Bible.

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This is the problem with religion in general. Every religion has its ups and downs. Muslims flying planes into buildings, setting themselves ablaze, "sharia"ing themselves, e.t.c. Christians gathering themselves together in a room and poisoning themselves, selling off their properties in anticipation of the second coming of Jesus, e.t.c, Juju/idol worshipers sacrificing animals and humans to appease a deity, subjecting themselves to inhuman conditions/treatments in a bid to be favored by the gods e.t.c.

If islam should be eradicated, then so should all other religions.

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Couldnt agree more with your last post dear pilgrim1. Sure Couldnt find what got his adrenalin up,  But then different strokes m'lady.

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@OgidiBoy,

Where have I hinted that what he did was 'glorified'?

Just a sensible line from my post to point out your misgivings would do.

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My friend all you doing is talking rubbish and taking up valuable space, if what that fool did is so glorified, why don't you go do the same. I 've always said the fewer of you people in this world, the better for the rest of us. "Nonsense"

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It's quite a sad case, really. My heart breaks for people like that, because I know firsthand what it means to live with such kind of frustration at trying to please (Allah) of Islam; only to find you're not getting anywhere.

Due to my very busy schedule when I saw the report earlier in another thread (http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-66264.0.html#msg1294437), it was not possible for me to post a reply. But here's what I think:

From a fair perspective that incident does not help the conclusion reached. That someone committed suicide for not having been able to master the Qur'an is not enough grounds to infer that Muslims commit suicide on such sad reasons.

Sad to say, there are reports of professed Christians who have committed suicide for just about any reason that may sound hilarious to some of us. I still remember one such where a local pastor in Plateau State was said to have taken his life on anguish of having sinned by fornicating with a teenager. But that would not mean that Christians are thereby ready to commit suicide by the same stretch of the story of this thread.

However, we should understand the backdrop of the ideology that led that young man to take his own life. In Islam, forgetting any part of the Qur'an was regarded as a grievous sin - according to Muhammad himself. Let's see one such reference:

Sunan Abu-Dawud, Bk 2, #0461:

'Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The rewards of my people were presented before me, so much so that even the reward for removing a mote by a person from the mosque was presented to me. The sins of my people were also presented before me. I did not find a sin greater than that of a person forgetting the Qur'anic chapter or verse memorised by him.

This is just one example to show that according to Muhammad, there was no sin greater than forgetting a chapter or verse of the Qur'an (nevermind that Muhammad himself committed that sin!).

From the above, one may begin to understand what might have settled in that young man's mind, and consequently led him to take his own life for not having been able to master the Qur'an after several attempts for over an 8 year period. May God have mercy on him - and many others going through such frustrations.

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lmao. thank god (Allah) he died alone.

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I hope he was able to secure his "abunna" from the fire,he might just need it in jannat,ROFL

Was he Rev king's brother?

You see what this Koran is doing to people?

If only someone preached THE LIVING WORD to him,that may have opened his eyes.

Ignorance is indeed worse than a cancer

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Is he classified as a suicide bomber? Will alah grant him al jaanat without having to go down into hell?

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Nigerian Muslim Commits Suicide After Failing To Learn Koran

A 25-year-old Nigerian man Abdullahi Maidawa, set himself on fire by dousing himself in petrol and lighting it, because he failed to learn the Koran off by heart after eight years of devoted study. He later died from severe burns, police said on Saturday.

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