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Must A Good Christian Attend Church?

Is Churchgoing Necessary To Be A Good Christian?

I'm a theist because I believe in God.

I'm also a humanist. (Google it people-we all are)

Call me a Humanist believer.

I pray but do not do any other form of worship such as churchgoing.

I find that my God gives me strength, comfort and the motivation to go on- I feel these things without being in church.

I try to live my life being who I am trying to do right-I'm no angel but I have good intentions.

I am not judgemental and try to understand others.

These happen to be quite Christian values-therefore

If one is living a positive lifestyle with a relationship wth God, is church really necessary?

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Can you get good education without going to school ??

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Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpe.neth the countenance of his friend.

You need the fellowship of true brethrenYou are simply a self-righteous person.

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Church is merely what you do in obedience to God. It is possible to live positive and all that besides God but if Jesus himself saw fit to go to the temple to worship, do you feel you are too much for church ? that ought to be the first question. Church is not where you go to seek God. Church is not were to go to make your troubles go away. Church is simply where you go to gather with other believers in OBEDIENCE to the word of God. When we start to claim to be humanists and theists but are not even able to do what the God we claim to believe in said to do, do we not think there is a problem there? Trust me, I lived for years as a christian without church but at the end of the day, I had to bite my pride and walk into church cause I realized that it would be my pride in the way if I can not even spend one hour or two in the Church as God commanded to do.

So for a "GOOD" CHRISTIAN = FOLLOWER OF CHRIST , LOOK UP THE MEANING IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS, YES, if Christ Himself took out time to go to the TEMPLE, YOU ARE NOT TOO BIG TO ATTEND CHURCH yourself!!

Coming up with your own CLAIM TO HOW YOU KNOW BETTER IS NOT Going to work since the idea is that if you are a GOOD [b]CHRIST[/b]IAN, you will do as CHRIST did, not come up with reasons why you should not and think it makes you ok.

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I think church is a way of boosting and keeping the faith of a christian

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That's true - Paul was dramatically converted on the road to Damascus.

But a truly saved and born again Christian must go to church - not a building commonly referred to as "church"; but to the gathering of other saved and born again Christians.

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Amen, thanks otokx.

I don't think God hates physical temples. However, the real Temple are the individual members of the Church. God dwells in us, not in the buildings.

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Going to a church building is of course not a salvation issue.

One can be saved even if they never enter a church.

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The Church is a community/group of believers - you "go to" that community when it is gathered for worship and whatever else for which they come together. No one supposes that a location/cement building is the Church. The Bible says not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together - that speaks of going to "Church" in the sense of going to your own company/community of believers.

John Smith is not a "family" all by himself. Until he gathers with the other Smiths, he's all by himself simply 'John Smith', and not "the Smith family." Until a christian gathers with other christians, there's no "Church". For the Church to be evident according to the Bible, a Christian should gather together with other Christians; and that's what we mean by "go to Church!"

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We have a lot of things in common TV01

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Going to church is very NECESSARY if you are a true xtian but not compulsory.

God instructs "do not forsake the gathering of youself together, "

Going to church does not save you, but it helps build your faith and growth as a christian.

However, you must be an active branch of the vine. according to JESUS.

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Hi mlks_baby, syrup, goodguy,

Thanks for taking the time to post responses and apologies for not replying earlier, I've been away and offline.

I'll try and answer as many rejoinders as I can. Maybe It'll help if I state a few positions. Please don't take offence at my failure to append chapter and verse, I'm writing ad hoc.

CHURCH

~ I don't subscribe to the notion that church is something one goes to. I am more of the mind that church is something one is a part of. Presumably some people at least understand (if not agree) what I mean, when they themselves state that church is the "body of Christ". I don't see it as location or destination. "When you come together as a church" 1 Corinthians 11. To me wherever Christians gather is church. Choosing not to attend a place/institution called church, does not mean one is forsaking fellowship or assembling.

~ As yet, nobody has been able to give numbers. As I said where two or three are gathered and glorifying Him. It is church. I also maintain that real intimacy/relationship between believers is simply impossible if the relationships/numbers are too numerous. It is simply not practical/possible.

~ And I am not saying that a Christian is a church. John Smith is a Smith individually and a member of the Smith family collectively. And if John meets with one or more other Smiths then it's the Smith family assembling. Smith is what John is, not somewhere John goes. I feel my simple analogy is more consistent than saying John is only a Smith when he goes to a certain place or in a certain location which is what I am hearing? Maybe it's our fundamental perspectives that differ?

TEMPLES

~ In Acts 7 and again in 17, the Bible clearly states that God is not interested in physical temples (It's why Stephen was martyred). In John 4, The Lord disabuses the "lady by the well" of the notion that worship of God is mandated to a place or location.

~ As for the point about Solomons temple, surely no one is arguing that as a basis for the obsession with physical buildings (by some) in this dispensation?

~ The Temple that the early Christians gathered in was a relic of Judaism. I don't believe it was the place, so much as the gathering. The physical temple was simply convenient. Please check the layout of the temple and the location of Solomons porch. From "House to House" appears to me to have been the norm for the early church. From the Tabernacle in the Wilderness all the way to the Temple rebuilt by Ezra, the intent was a physical dwelling place for the Lords Glory. Now we are that Temple, Christ in us is that Glory. There are two words translated Temple in the NT one refers back to the physical temple of the OT and the other to the Body of Christ of the NT.

~ So yes, maybe my use of the phrase "God hates" may not rest well with some, I apologise to anyone who is offended by my use of it or my appearing to legislate for God (pray have mercy Lord!). But again, is anyone arguing that physical temples in this day and age are somehow core/essential to Christianity and a delight to God?

RELIGION

~ Oft times we use this term differently. And yes, I tend to use the term pejoratively. But even where it is used in James, it is qualified with "pure & undefiled". So even the Bible recognises that there is religion that is not pure (works/appeasement based). When I say religion in the pejorative sense, I mean temples, mediatory priesthoods, rituals, sacrifices and the like. To my mind, when it comes to Christianity such things are simply needless. I read the posts in Religion vs Relationship and the difference was really in use of words. I saw that, essentially agreed and so so didn't bother posting.

If I've failed to state anything clearly or if anything remains unanswered, please let me know.

Good to be back.

God bless

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I went thru that same phase sometime ago, feeling that there are too many false brethren in the church, Jesus warned that it would be so, but we are also warned against forsaking the fellowship of the brethren. Fellowship is the key word here. Most of us go to church but do not have fellowship with God's ppl. Many churches are about showing off new clothes and money, no fellowship. Many times we mistake church going with fellowshipping. Fellowshipping involves caring, everyone must know and care about everyone. They must visit one another, pray for one another and share things with one another. they become a family. This isn't possible in the big church system we have today. Most of our pastors dont even know us. It's very important to have an avenue through which we can have fellowship with other christians, like the early christians did. It is my personal belief that this can only be accomplished in small groups. Rev. Yonggi Cho in S/Korea has one of the biggest churches (about half a million ppl), yet they have small cell groups for fellowship. We can go to hear God's word and pray in the big church, but fellowship works better in small groups. Most protestant Christians in China meet in small house-fellowship groups.

Also, that we are the Church doesn't mean we should neglect going to church. What is meant by we being the Church, or body of Christ is that God dwells in us, not in the buildings where we worship. The same passage that calls us that says that we need each other; the eye can't function without the brain,

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Lol, even a non good christian attend church, talkless of a good one

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Well i like what milk baby has said so far,

I really see you as someone mature in the things of God.

To share my view, I believe very strongly that as a christain you should go to church because the bible commands it. NEVER FORGET OUR GATHERING TOGETHER.

Yes as a believer we are the Church cos the bible calls us the temple of the living God but then it also tells us that when we come together, we are able to sharpen ourselves and learn from each other and the spirit of God in unity.

I would also like to say that the Church was never designed for perfect people but for those who are willing to learn at the feet of Jesus so that they can improve themselves and become the perfect person. So please when you meet all sorts of people in church, try to accomodate them and let the love of God flow from you to them. We are all people with different reasons for seeking God but the most important thing is for us to find him, build a relationship with him and let others feel this same Agape love. So the world can be a better place to live in while we wait for the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

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@ gl, mlkbaby, and gem thanks girls u've really said alot to educate the starter of this post. well sha as i must always add, lets stop for a minute and think for those who dont know why they should go to church, why did God create the church and call it his body? think about this and also look back at gl, mlkbaby and gem's post.

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As promised. . .

Your troubles are easy to take care of by simply looking into scripture: Acts 4:23 - "And being let go, they went to their own company, and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them." You'll find several texts telling you to "go to" (essentially the same connotation as 'gather together'), and here, "went to"  is simply the past tense of "go to" - no arguments further there, no? It's not an issue of 'instead of', or 'either this or that' - rather, both ideas are implied and inclusive: you go to something you are a part of.

I don't see the point of your complaint. I responded to what I thought caught my attention, so going through the more than 300 words of your post was not my interest; and if to your mind you're happier for me to pointlessly take them up, I'll do so quickly following this. Afterwards, you decide for yourself if I was 'quibbling' by pointing out your wrong notions where they do not appear in the Bible.

I've done that precisely, unless you missed it:

Precisely so, and that's the point in my first rejoinder. Regarding your other complaints, since you'd be happier with my taking your points up, my replies will follow shortly.

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Hello TV01,

Let me share a few things with you that you don't easily see.

So what were you saying if you had to state earlier in bold fonts that "A good Christian is church"? See ~~

So. . .

Still running around in circles and making the same mistake. You've only added three words to your earlier cliché ('A good Christian is church' + 'waiting to happen'). Since a good Christian = church waiting to happen, why not rather say that "A good church waiting to happen gathers with fellow churches waiting to happen and to/or in worship and glorification church is happening"? Doesn't make sense, does it?

An individual is not "church", whether waiting to happen or not. Where in your Bible do you read about that idea - or you're reading your own human notion into the Bible?

"For the body is not one member, but many." (I Cor. 12:14). Does that help? I'll oblige you some clarification:

The Church is a composite, never an individual. As earlier, I repeat: {"Among the several things the Bible reveals as "Church", it is the Body of Christ, the House of God, and the Temple of God - and all these are in a collective sense: a collective community of believers in Christ. There's no single individual in the Bible addressed as "church"}. Want Scriptures for that? See I Cor. 12:27 given below in several versions for effect -

"Now you are the body of Christ (collective sense), and every one of you the separate parts (individuals) of it." (1965 Bible in Basic English, BBE).

"Together you are the body of Christ. Each one of you is part of his body." (Contemporary English Version, CEV).

"Now you are the body of Christ (collective sense), and members individually." (English Majority Text Version, EMTV).

"Now you are the body of Christ (cs) and individually members of it". (English Standard Version, ESV).

"All of you are Christ's body, and each one is a part of it" (Good News Bible, GNB).

"Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular." (KJV).

"Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it." (NIV).

You get the hint: there's no individual Christian addressed in the collective or composite sense of "church" or "body of Christ" or "house of God". We are the Temple of God in both the collective/composite and individual senses (I Cor. 3:16 & 6:19). Nowhere will you find in Scripture where an individual is called 'church,' because that is meaningless, as in fact The Message (MSG) paraphrased version renders I Cor. 12:27 -

"You are Christ's body--that's who you are! You must never forget this. Only as you accept your part of that body does your "part" mean anything."

Is this clear enough? If not, please kindly provide your own verses where the Bible teaches that "A good Christian is church," - where "the individual" is equal to "the composite" as regards church.

More to come.

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the answer is in Hewbrews 10:25

"do not forsake the gathering of the brethren as some of u do but encourage one another as the day is fast approaching"

so basically church attendance is vital to the spiritual growth of an individual, as they say, 2 heads r better dan 1. u cnt do it on ur own u need back up and support and help dat comes frm sharing wiv other believers and the priest or pastor.

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Hi mlks_baby,

Sorry you think I'm being needlessly semantic? let me clarify.

Is a good Christian a Church? No, that's not what I am saying.

A good Christian is church waiting to happen. Once gathered with fellow believers to/or in worship and glorification church is happening.

So please educate me,

when does the "whole" become church? How many? What exactly constitutes a collective in your view?

If you yourself say "Church is the body of Christ"

How does it become something you go to? instead of something you are a part of?

As for being semantic, you took the last five words of my post and (to my mind anyway) pointlessly quibbled over them, ignoring the body of the post which clearly outlines my position. Ultimately leaving me non the wiser as to what your think of my position, or indeed what yours is.

Please, if you disagree with or misunderstand anything I post, please say so. And if you have an alternative viewpoint I'd love to hear it. Presumably that why we call it a discussion?

God bless

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You must attend church as a good christian as stated in this scrpture

Heb 10:25

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

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AS FOR what i know,

you don't have to be a good christian to go to church, everyone you see in church, who told you they are all leaving by the WORD. only God knows who is serving him. my advise to those of us that believe in heaven is to try and live according to his will, so we will not be cast away

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Em. . . Mr TV01,

Where in your Bible does it say that "A good Christian is church"? I don't find it so, and do save us the needless semantics.

Among the several things the Bible reveals as "Church", it is the Body of Christ, the House of God, and the Temple of God - and all these are in a collective sense: a collective community of believers in Christ. There's no single individual in the Bible addressed as "church", so you can't equate "a good Christian" with "church."

Individually, we belong to Christ; but whenever the Bible speaks of the latter term, it is often in the collective sense of believers being together: "when ye come together in the church. . . If therefore the whole church be come together into one place" (I Cor. 11:18 & 14:23).

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All the excuses given above why some people don't go to church are all LAME. It's just sheer spiritual laziness! When you stay at home on a Sunday, what do you do? Minister to yourself? Have you not heard of :"WHERE TWO OR MORE ARE GATHERED TOGETHER, THERE SHALL I BE". Forget about the building (Church) and fellowship with other christians on Sundays. Some claim that it's the going-on in the church that put them off. If you feel you are not getting spiritual fulfillment in one church, move on to another. Even the cultists, the worshippers of the devil, the idolators meet to do their thing. Do not justify your spiritual ineptitude! Merci beaucoup!

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I used to be very defensive over this issue. But with the things currently going on in churches today, I'd say NO, It is not a must. It is important, however, but it is not compulsory.

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yes, you have to attend church. in the bible i cant remember the passage it says that when you fellowship with the brethren you strengten your faith. so Yes, if you sincerely say that your a good christian you have to attend church.

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@ Lunafish, @ Jagunlabi, @ IAH

being a christian really is not about the good works or to quote you "christian values" it is more about a relationship with God, and a relationship with God can be developed by truely handing over your life to christ and allowing him to birth a new you by his spirit, associating with fellow christians as well as by studying your bible, praying and listening out for God.

the bible makes us to understand that no one is an island, that's why God never placed all the ministerial gifts in one person's life. tell mii how are you going to grow in that other aspect in which you are not endowed if you don't mix up with other believers. the bible also says iron sharpens iron, remember the pharisees followed the law to the letter word but what did jesus say about them he said you're like your father the devil, tell mii weren't they doing what moses commanded them to do? yes they were but the motive behind is was more important, you don't have to go to church to please anyone but sincerely and i wouldn't say going to church is a criteria for being close to God it's just one of the ways by which you build a relationship with God. and like others have been pointing out to you it's a command in the bible "forsake not the assembly of other believers" (paraphrased)

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The bible advises that christians should fellowship together. Fellowship was a very important aspect of the early church. Every christian sometime or the other sees the need to be a part of a truly christian fellowship. unfortunately, we have a lot of corrupt and manipulative "christians" nowadays. that's for another discussion though. But fellowship with other believers, rather than churchgoing, is a very important part of christianity. as a christian, u have responsibilities towards ur fellow christians, which can be fulfilled through fellowshipping with them. Thieves, murderers now go to church so churchgoing is just an activity and doesn't make one a christian.

What makes one a christian is having the mind of Christ in you, which is only possible when you make a conscious decision to surrender your life to Him. It is your relationship with Jesus that makes you a christian, not habits or activities (like reading the bible or praying).

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@lunafish

All the Above is what the God calls W+O+R+K+S

You havent started with the F+A+I+T+H part!!

NOTE: Church-going is not FAITH, but it will help you build-up-your-FAITH!!

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You said on NL that you dont believe in Him.

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I am a theist (someone who believes in God)

I pray

I adopt a lot of Chrirstian values and characteristics into my life

I have a relationship with God

How can I not be identified as a Christian?

Or does your spiritual superiority complex make you feel that I'm not?

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Is churchgoing necessary to be a good Christian?

No it is not.

However, your statement above does not necessarily identify you as a Christian.

God bless.

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Thank you my theist humanist brothers and sisters!!!

It's not where you are (physically) but where you're at (spiritually)

Peace and blessings to all.

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That makes two of us,lunafish.I am also a theist because i have rejected churchgoing.Jesus never went to any church,afterall.

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What if the pastors engage in corrupt activity?

What if the congregation is full of hypocrites?

How can one tell God's people from the demonic wolves in sheeps clothing?

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Going to church is important, not just necessary. That is why we have pastors presiding over, so as to lead xtians aright in the word of God. The bible also enjoins all believers 'not to forsake the assembly of one another'. U get spiritualy fed with the word u hear in church which is necessary for spiritual growth.

However, being a churchgoer begins to become just a religious activity when there is no real personal relationship with God.

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Please don't turn this into a "usage of the N-word" post. That's irrelevant right now.

I think that what our friend was saying was; she went to church and hated the hypocrites and criminals that frequented in the Church. Therefore she hated going.

Or; if she was asking why all the bad sistas and n-s were in chirch, the answer is guilt and desperation.

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IAH- YOU'RE FABULOUS I believe that I'm seeking God from the inside out NOT the outside in

Shalom

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Lunafish, I feel you. We hold the same views about churchgoing. Click here for more

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It is necessary*i'l b bk later, i've 2 run off nw, prolly kimba, TayoD or dearzi might gv a response b4 i get bk, i trust 'em*

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