Your attention is needed before giving you my explanations and backing up same with verses from your holy book
Is the bible 1005 word of God?
Is the bible 100% inspired?
Your attention is needed before giving you my explanations and backing up same with verses from your holy book
Is the bible 1005 word of God?
Is the bible 100% inspired?
Sit and let us reason together, so says your bible and God cannot be author of confusion. If youi know know those verses from your bible, you cant them come here and be trying to argue blindly and be supporting what is very glaring. ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT YOUR BIBLE IS COMPLETE AND THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN INFILTRATED?
Common, you dare not say that to me because I have been giving you facts showing that its not complete. If you still have anything against the Quran, you are free to breing it up just as your folks have been doing.
Brother, you are free to contribute positively and been biased. You yourself know that Babs has been serving you verses from your bible and not lifting wrong chapters or verses. If you care to know, I have not gone against or support any verse that hasn o basis. I have been serving you verses, some of which you do not expect to be in the bible and some that seemed too hard for you to explain. Common, be a man and stop beating about the bush. You know that the bible was written after the death of Jesus and God didnt give him four gospels but just ONLY ONE. So get that straight and stop deceving yourself. If you are up to the task and know that God actually inspired those writers, why not answer those contradictions from the inspired word of God and know that God is not and cannot be author of confusion.
That is where you keep confusing yourself.
Is your bible complete?
What do you want to know from the Quran and we treat it together?
After reading Pilgrim.1's write-up, it's now clear why the likes of babs787 are forever pursuing the thought that the Bible is not complete, that the Bible has been infiltrated, always asking questions like 'can you proof that the human authors of scriptures actually wrote the books attributed to them', his treads are usually designed to promote arguements between the Holy Bible and The Koran, his line of thinking is to discredit everything the Bible says, usually when its in his favour, babs787 will quote a Biblical verse to his advantage, and when not in his favour, he will remind you that the Bible was written many years after Christ and His disciples departed the earth.
Now I see, IT'S ALL BECAUSE MOHAMMED'S NAME IS NOT FOUND IN THE BIBLE.
The Bible predates all known literature ever known to man, we have it intact (in it's original language) just as it was written in it's original. The preservation of God's WORD to mankind is such a wonderful testimony to His grace.
babs787 stop burning cable like someone trying to win over a babe by discrediting her present lover, educate us about what the koran says, stop trying to justify the Koran by discrediting the Bible, tells us what the Koran says in itself.
Sorry also, but face it, Muhammad was never ever ever ever mentioned in the BIBLE.
PLEASE NOTE I AM REPEATING THE POSTING OF THIS MESSAGE IN MOST THREADS IN OTHER TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE MENTIONED GET THE MESSAGE I AM TRYING TO PASS ACROSS, I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY INCONVINIENCES IT MIGHT CAUSE OTHER THREAD USERS,
Pilgrim.1, Davidylan, How are you, sorry you didn't I didn't post , statements and comments at all, for a while.
They were due to the following reasons:
1. I didn't have anything to say
2. I realise it was useless trying to convince them (@bab787, @olabowale and co) about something , when Satan has already blinded them to the truth. They themselves have decided to look for loopholes (where there is none) within the bible and lies with which to continue living a lie, and choose not to believe
3. I realised that their (@babs787, et al) would not come by arguing with them , instead it would come via the HolySpirit, ministering to them.
Let us remember that is , He (God) is the one who saved us, , so He is the One who would save them, Our own job as true Christians is just to , "SOW THE SEED OF THE GOOD NEWS OF CHRIST".
Whether or not " They choose to be infertile ground or grounds filled with thorns " is not really our perogative.
4. Finally I have noticed that "they are living for the now , while we are living for the now and then", so just like Jesus instructed the disciples there comes a time when we are supposed to dust our feet and leave
By the way pilgrim.1 and Davidylan, please find attached, some video links that have helped me to understand certain lies , deceit and indoctrination of "Evolution", I hope it helps you to see the truth as it has helped me to see the truth.
Finally false doctrine contributes to doubts in ones life and faith in God : below is a link to something on false doctrine which can and might
have led many Christians astray:
To you @babs787, @olabowale , and co, the wise and intelligent thing to do (instead of being dogmatic about issues) is to try and find out why those Christians that were formerly "either so called Moderate Muslims" and "Fanatical Muslims" decided to turn away from their ways and decide to become Christians. At least the truth is that some of them were probably as confrontation and unyielding in their statements as you "seem" to be. It would help you to at least prove for yourself by asking them "WHY" they left islam for Christ.
Unless you take joy in trying to "windup everybody" just for the sake of it, it would help you to conduct truthful research and analysis into why former terrorist, moderate muslims, fanatical muslims, decided to risk everything (life, job and family) all for the purpose of becoming a TRUE CHRISTIAN.
Pilgrim.1 and Davidylan stay blessed and in the hope of salvation through CHRIST
There really is no need frantically whipping yourself on this issue. The criteria you offered is what I have highlighted that you should stick to; but since you very quickly saw your deathknell, it is no surprise that you quickly baulked and began predictably dancing away from that same test.
However, if you do care for the accuracy of the Qur'an, I simply want you to lay your own frantic dances aside and focus on the fact that the same Qur'an has been exposed for its historical, scientific, and cultural fallacies. Muslims are always in the habit of ducking behind skeptic websites to ferret quotes to discredit the Bible. No worries - we wish them well and hope they would take a look at what the same skeptics have said about the life of Muhammad and the inconsistencies of the Qur'an.
Because we are not given to such Islamic games, that is why I refrain from reposting them here - especially because I would rather preserve the focal point of the criteria you have proposed in examining what you call 'God's word'.
Does the Qur'an contain the word of 'Allah' alone, or the word of man as well?
That is the simple query here.
I usually take my time not to rush responding to illiterate threads where the instigators assume a scholarship they obviously do not possess. It has become characteristic of Muslim propagandists to frantically demonstrate their low IQ and confusion of face with their vacillating inconsistencies whenever they post on the Forum.
All the Muslim confusion here is predicated on just one premise: Muhammad is NOT in the Bible - and the Muslim attempt to smuggle him into the Biblical scriptures has been thoroughly bleached and walloped! That is why the reader should not be surprised that the same Muslims who have tried to force Muhammad into the Bible are the very same ones who are now turning around to attack it.
Because they know deep in their hearts that if Muhammad is NOT in the Bible, then the Qur'an is a huge FRAUD! Certainly, since we have established that FACT, the Qur'an is indeed a FRAUD cleverly woven together by the same Quraish 'prophet' who rooked the dessert Arabs when he accused them of being "the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance" (Qur'an 9 v 97).
Muslims who have become increasing embarrassed by the exposé of not being able to find Muhammad in the Bible have betaken themselves to an adventure of shamelessly attacking the same Bible they once frantically quoted for Muhammad's career. Worse than this, it would only mean that whoever [i]Allah[/i]s so-called "revelations" were a fallacy! For if there was any substance to the so-called Muhammad in the Bible episode, then Muslims would have easily found the verse(s) for that claim and saved themselves these huge embarrassments.
However, truth be told, there's no denying the FACT that not a single verse in the Bible prophesied Muhammad as a prophet! And the dread of that revelation alone is the reason why Muslims have turned round to attack the Bible that they onced quoted. . . thereby hugely controverting and contradicting themselves, aside from their new adventures of LYING for 'Allah'.
In my subsequent rejoinders, we shall examine a few of these controverted lies for 'Allah' that are being endlessly recycled.
I simply waited for you to place your cards on the table by divulging what criteria you wish to adjudge the Bible as whether "inspired" or not. Since your worry is about the Word of God containing His sayings ALONE and not contain the word of man, we shall follow your arguments closely on that same criteria. No deviating will be allowed, please don't go scooting off from that same criteria when the Qur'an is being examined on that basis.
@Dafidixone: How can you inject God into a thing that has so much conflicting dynamics, on a singular subject? Yet, the conflicting trend is almost the expected viewpoints in your Book. It is not a matter of one or two /subjects/occasions/places. Even one place is one too many. Just because you call it God inspired does not mean it is God inspired. You make the statement to justify your believing in it. It is the same way that you tag God to be operation on three persons; the father, the son and the ghost! Your idea and it is not true, just because you said it.
Finally my name is Olabowale, and not Adebowale. However if that what hit your fancy, continue with it. We all know that it ain't ya fault. You can not help it, but to change Ola to Ade. Just the same way you changed God Almighty to father almighty, son/Jesus almighty and ghost almighty!
The bible or Holy Scriptures are God’s revelation of Himself to Man. All 66 books of the Bible, although written by different men, only had one Author, God the Holy Spirit. God told Jeremiah, “I watch over my word to perform it.” (Jer. 1:12) This indicates the importance of the accuracy of the Bible to the LORD because He has to do what He said He would do; therefore, it was incumbent upon Him to be certain that the Scriptures were both set down and translated accurately. Therefore, we believe in the inerrancy of the Holy Scriptures.
In addition, I believe that the Word of God as set forth in the Bible is sufficient to meet all the needs – spirit, soul and body – of every person alive today upon the earth.
The Bible contains promises of God set forth in a covenant or legal agreement between God and man which will meet every need you will ever have in this life.
The Spirit of God inspired men to write the books of the Bible as evidenced by the following Scriptures:
“The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.”
(2 Samuel 23:2)
“And the LORD spake by his servants the prophets, saying …” (2 Kings 21:10)
“But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. (2 Peter 1:20-21).
“All Scripture is inspired by God …” (2 Timothy 3:16)
“And for this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received from us the word of God’s message, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13)
The Lord Jesus left His word for us to meet our needs. Every need you have or will ever have – healing, finances, relationships, etc. – can be met through the word of God by a person believing by faith and trusting that the Lord will do what He said in His word He would do.
“For with God nothing is impossible.” (Matthew 19:26; Luke 1:37)
The Word of God will meet your every need if you will read it, believe it and act upon it (the Bible says that faith without corresponding action is dead, James 2), and that we are to be doers of the word. “But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.” (James 1:22)
What of the "pre Gospel verses"? You know, those verses that are mere "conjectures of people alive on earth BEFORE Jesus was born.
In view of this, Deuteronomy 18 is not worth the quality of the attempt by hypocritical muslims to read mohammed into the bible. it is a pure lie.
where in ur quran did it specify that all prophets are sinless? Is this your own personal conjecture or did Allah indeed make such a claim?
If indeed "all prophets are sinless" AND the quran claims that Jesus Christ is a "prophet" . . . does that not validate TayoD's biblical assertion that Christ was without sin?
This is why i will continue to maintain that the quran is one fraudulent manual of demons. It never has one stand, forever shifting in the sands of public oppinion.
First the prophets are without sin, next they sin to teach the believers?
Look again at the above deciet. God can do anything and within the same line God is RESTRICTED from doing anything?
The bible declares that I am redeemed by the precious blood of the lamb and made a Heir with Christ.
The quran declares in Sura 19:71 that you are all bound for hell . . .
the difference is clear . . . so clear that it lays your lies bare for the world to see.
How? by repeating the same prayer 5 times a day forever even though you understand not a word of it?
by bowing down to the kaaba and running round it several times?
By stoning the devil?
Just how are muslims expected to talk to Allah directly?
Like the hatman "guarantee" of sura 17:91?
The wages of sin is death. Your "question" here is baseless.
1. Hitler and his colleagues never told you they were believers . . . it is the muslim lie to force them into the mould of christianity so as to have something to say.
2. The blood of Christ that was shed on the cross will certainly be in vain with regard to some people (even you at this rate . . . By His grace the blood avails for me).
He that confesseth his sin AND forsaketh them shall find mercy. . . the bible is more than clear. Alhaji, you are beyond confused.
@TayoD: Your two verses needs a little bit of Onion lay peel back to exposed the truth:
John 1:8, is very inconclusive, from the simple reading of it. Unless you have an insight to what is behind it, it also fail the crucial litmus test. If you use these two verses as your test, then you have proven nothing and if you hang your hope on these, verses, then I am afraid that you have to do better. tayoD, you have told a major but weak and baseless story.
As to the Qur'an talking about Jesus being sinless or not, I can not quote you a verse and this is why I asked you to provide the Qur'anic verse. Indeed, all Prophets are sinless, if you look at it, because, if any sin, from them, he is forgiven by Allah, as the prophet supplicates his Creator for forgiveness. Infact, the reason they sin, if at all, is to to teach believers of the fact that God accepts the repentance of His creations. Jesus was not an exception and you need to bring out your verse or verses from the Qur'an, since you could not proof it from the Bible. By the way what sin did John the son of Zachariah commit? What sin did his father Zachariah commit? In Islam Jesus and John were in the same heaven, the second even as seen by Muhammad in his night journey to heavens.
God can do anything. However God restricts Himself from doing things that do not befit His Majesty. He does not need to spend money for example: What will he buy, from whom and what currency to use; USD, Euro, Russian Rubles, Nigerian Naira? God does not eat for example. Even His Angels were not reported to have eaten while they were in human form. God is never tired, nor fatigued nor slumber. Infact He is always in full capacity that befits Him, only and no one else. I need to stop, because i could go on for ever. But you are now certain that Jesus does not have any of these qualities that i have listed above.
God does not have to be humble like you and me. He needs not to lower Himself to your level which is also my level, since we are both humans. God knowledge is limitless, while Jesus knowledge is limited. Afterall, he did not know the exact hour, when he was asked. He was only able to give signs. Muhammad did the same thing! Giving the signs of the hour, that is. Muhammad gave the small signs and then the big signs!
TayoD, you know that I am not a Christian. It does not matter to me if you continue to pass the fake Bible for Original Bible. You and me are Ijebu people. You are familiar with Owo Ijebu. Your current Bible is the Owo Ijebu of the True Bible Books revealed to the Prophets. Qur'an says that you have corruptions in the Bible and thats enough for me. I can see it with my casual observation of the 'many versions.' It is you who have to defend the Bible, not me. It is obvious that you do not know the first thing about how the Qur'an was compiled. But I need not to waste my time on this with you. The strength of Abu Bakr is a strong as the people who surrounded him. We see that Umar used to act as a reminder for him. We also see that he could not stop the former slave Bilal from moving to Syria, after the death of Muhammad (as), even though Abu Bakr had paid for the freedom of this Prayer caller. The only one that his statement could never be challenged among mankind, from Islamic viewpoint was Muhammad. And after the first compilation of the Qur'an, the remnants were still in the hands of those who had them. Abu Bakr did nothing about them and never collected them, let alone burnt them!
It is your religion and your Book that declared you to be unworthy and filth. Qur'an and Islam gave mankind honor. We are required to talk to Allah directly. While you set up a medium between you and God, just like the Aborishas of Yoruba land. We depend on the mercy of God directly, while you could not deal with God, but goes through a person who need to beg God. God required some minimal commitment from us, the Muslims and He quarantee thereby that He will forgive us and admit us in His paradise. But for you God needs to kill some innocent man, shed the blood of this innocent man, but yet, whoever believes in this gruesome event but continue to do evil deeds and dies on it, can he/she be guaranteed the heaven of Christianity? Afterall, Hitler and others from the ranks of Christianity believed and committed atrocities. What there case, they should be in Christian paradise, right? can you tell us that they will be in Christian paradise? If you can not, then the great death has been in 100% not worth it, it has been in vain!
Heb 4:15 - For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin.
1Jo 1:8 - If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.Are those answers enough for you. jesus is without sin, but anyone else who claims to be without sin is a liar.
@TayoD: Is there any verse of the Bible that is uniquely telling us that Jesus is the only sinless person? Further did you just isolate a verse from the Qur'an, which says that Jesus alone is the only sinless person? May I have the verse from the Qur'an? And did you consider all the other verses in the Qur'an considering Jesus and his mother, Virgin Mary? You must read Surah Al Maidah, towards the end to see what kinda condition that the day of Judgement holds for Jesus. You must also read towards the end of Surah Mariam, to see the condition of those who say that God has a son and the fact that no one has a right to intercede before the Irresistible God, except the one Only He grants it to. You must also read in Surah Nisaa where God says that Jesus was no crucified nor killed. You must also read in Surah Isra where Allah says that if there is more than 1 god, each god would try to out shine the other(s) and finally all would have colluded together and try to challenge the Supreme God!
Tayo if any and all of these do not have any effect on you, how do you want us the 'Muslims,' who accept One Supreme God should accept a man from Palestine, who at one time was just a mere fetus in his mothers womb, as our god? How do you expect us to take this man called Jesus as god when there is the owner of the "WORD" that all of you say he was, yet while he become flesh the OWNER OF THE WORD, never lost His ability to speak with His Angels and the other Prophets; Zachariah and Yahya, both father and son who were contemporaries of Jesus?
Finally, how 100% inspired words of God keep changing so much as if the goal post is being shifted every 20 years? Why so many versions of 100% inspired words of God? Which one is real and why don't you present the ORIGINAL Inspired Words of God, which you call the Bible: No only from the most ancient transcript which is in other language different the one it is revealed in, and 300 years later. I am talking about what it was right at the time of revelation. That will be Aramaic, but definitely, not Greek. It would be what we call the undiluted revelation. From the time of when the Qur'an declares that there is corruption in the Bible, it has become polluted. Now compare the two sets of Bibles and you will find discrepancies and disagreements between them!
This is the effort you have to go through to save your own soul. Jesus will not be able to do it for you. You should be grateful to the True God that Babs727 is pointing out these things to you. Bringing truth to your attention. All you have to say to him, is 'dude?'
So that is all you intend to say with all your huffing and puffing? To prove that the Bible isn't inspired, the best you can do is quote some scriptures and tell us to prove how they do not provide instructions in righteousness? Dude, wakeup. This is 2008, and you need to become 2008 compliant by using some intelligence in proving your point.
If you cannot learn anything from the verses you quoted, then your case is worse than I anticipated. Our job on nairaland is not to teach people how to make a point and I will not waste my time trying to lecture you on what is obvious.
While you are checking Jesus' ancestral tree, why do you fail to point out that there was even a harlot there, and that David himself commited adultery and murder, and that Nathan a child from the same woman is also Jesus' ancestor? And last of all, why do you omit the very fact that Adam, his ancestor was also a sinner who had the audacity to disobey God's command? The point is everyone before Jesus was a sinner, and it is only Jesus that is without sin. This fact is even coroborated by your Koran. So tell me, what is your point?
As to your earlier question, it is not necessary base on the latter one. I mentioned that the Bible is 100% inspired by God and it contains both the Words spoken by God and that by men and even angels and demons. This question is a classic case of elevating semantics above the reality. Yes, the Bible is 100% God's Word becuase it is 100% inspired of God.
@defidixone: Sorry I misspelled your name. But it was not intentional. Please answer the questions and stop avoiding it, giving us issue of understanding Inspired. Every soul is inspired to do good, but yet there are evils done by many. So people claim that they are inspired. That is their claim. Only God knows the truth. But am very sure that whosoever engineered the three godhead in One God has been inspired by the Devil. That has been declared in the Qur'an, Surah Mariam. You wouldn't know about it would you that if there has been more than One God, all the others will be trying to out shine one another/each other, and then may actually gang up to try to challenge the Supreme GOD! This verse is also in Surah Mariam.
@Davidixone: Davidixone, if you can even answer these direct questions, about your 'Bible,' as you have it today, then how are still in among the crowd called 'Christians?' You can't even stand on the conviction of your Book! Wow! Answer the questions and stop taking the 'fifth.' Come on. Enough already!