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Should A Christian Partake In Sallah Celebrations?

I read a thread in the islamic section where someone who is supposedly a christian asked for an invitation for sallah celebrations and it hit me. I remember our pastor use to tell us that a christian should not participate in any celebration that is against the teachings of christ like town festivals that is related to traditional worship, non christian gatherings etc. Will it not be a sin for a christian to attend an islamic festival knowing full well it's not giving Christ any glory? How will you deal with such situation as a born again christian if your co worker that is very close to you extend such an invitation?

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I would call myself a christian only that I feel that term has been rendered almost meaningless by the cheap manner in which so many tom, dick and harrys lay claim to it. When people go to church to pray to God to help them steal public funds then I'm out.

I do not put too much stock in dogma either.

However my entire hope is on the experience of God in my life.

I don't know what else to say. I guess your question has been prompted by what I have to say about Ijinle yoruba people. I have a lot of respect and appreciation for it. The Culture and the religious traditions. I used to be so ignorant of it. I felt privileged to have a western education etc, but with maturity I have come to appreciate how much I've missed. I can categorically state that Philosophically speaking Ifa is one of the highest achievements of all humankind. Check this out:

Oloye l'oye n ye

It is an intellectual that understands intellectual things

Ohun taa ba n se nii ye ni

The thing being done is only clear to the doer

Isowo laa mowoo lo

It is from a trader one should seek trading advice

Baa ba se ewu l'oja

If one buys cotton in the market

Ka e han eni ti n hunso

it is best to show it to a weaver

If I'm looking for peace of mind I am not going to go to a man looking distressed and screaming down a microphone. If someone tells me that the goal of his religion is Iwa Pele, a state of Harmonious Being, and I see on his face that there is pele indeed and in all his actions humility, then I have to respect that. I not saying that all followers of Ifa are peaceful people. They have their own fair share of idiots, but from what I can tell generally they have more peace than many of those chasing western things.

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Im aware that he's a man and one of the few things I respect about him is his patience. I use "dude" when im surprised

anyway i believe one of his wives is Yoruba.

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Interesting how yoruba women rejected him and he is now seeking solace among ibo women. Good for them sha. But, Olabowale is not a dude, he's a full grown man. His maturity is the main reason why he's very very slow to anger. Haven't you noticed that he has a lot of patience?

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Dude how many Igbo wives do you have?

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But Emeka is half Egyptian. She is in the waiting.

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@Kermamod: « #75 on: Today at 05:04:15 PM »

Ada is full is Igbo woman.

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interesting so what are your religious beliefs

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olabowale, is she full Igbo or the "half Igbo, half Egyptian" that tpia mentioned

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@Tpia and Deepzone: « #64 on: September 22, 2008, 02:16 AM »  

Guys, you are having this much at my expense, and you did not invite me? Thats terrible! lol.

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Lmao he's a afanatic for not wanting to marry someone who isnt a fellow Muslim but you're not for ignoring a naming because of no show policy. Irony anyone?

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I am not a fanatic. I am a realist. I was married to a Christian woman, once. I know how much hatred she held against Islam. I do not want to see another cross in my bed, again! I will sell islam to a woman I want. I will give her the opportunity to sell her religion to me, first. When she fails, for certain she will, then i will offer her Islam and I am the dessert for her acceptance. Of course, she can grill me on Islam before she accepts. The same way i grilled her about her religion.

Ada saw Islam and she accepted, willingly. She took Zainab as a name. I am grateful to Almighty Allah who opened her heart to Islam.

I will marry a nonmuslim, as long as she converts. I don't want to be sleeping with a body that will be burnt in hellfire.

Deepzone, I am not arrogant. Arrogance and pride are not permissible in Islam. But am sure of what I want.

I never will advocate any woman be abhorred. Am certain that i will not say that about Christian woman. Even when she is unattractive to me. She will to somebody. The say way i may not be attractive to some woman, but I am not many.

And how well do you know me? Pele pele o. lol. Lo loko.

Omode yi, o de ma paro mo mi. I simply ask if Christian god the father worshipped Jesus. Thats a fair question. I simply needed yes or no answers. But your incredulous moderator, A_K_O will not let it stay. The doggon man yanked it off, twice already! What a piece of work he is. Seun Osewa gave him a minor authority he already became a tyrant by it. Just imagine if he is the administrator, a day!

You should ask the same question about Islam. Did Muhammad even say to anyone to worship him? The answer is no. Did anyone advocate that Muhammad should be worshipped? The answer is no, if the person is a true muslim. Is it permissable for anyone to worship Muhammad? The answer is no.

Is Muhammad considered more than a human messenger/prophet? The answer is no. If all of these above and many more have no for answer, then you will see that it is rather disingenous for any person to even ask if Allah Almighty the undisputed God the Creator of all and Muhammad, worshipped Muhammad!

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So do i. I loved it when Gramps or Moms used to speak ijinle. Sounded like music to my ears as a child.

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What are you saying about my favourite uncles?

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We might as well allow everybody to interpret the bible according he/she wishes?

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I cannot participate in the sallah celebration.

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Should a Christian partake in Sallah Celebrations?

This question does not need a very complex answer. The real answer to this question is : "It depends, "

It really depends on the person being asked. He or she alone knows what his particular circumstance is, and only he or she can tell if he or she is going to be able to partake. People can argue for or against the issue and trot out very sound points, but in the end, they'd be missing the mark which is that either positions are understandable.

If someone invites you to a Sallah celebration and you don't feel like going? Just tell him or her that you cannot make it. Simple!

If you are invited and you can make it, then go, rejoice with those that are rejoicing, and then acknowledge and receive every nourishment/food/meat given with thanks to YOUR own God.

The bible is quite ambivalent on this matter, and in the interest of avoiding poisonous rancor, let every Christian refrain from imposing his/her interpretation on others.

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Lmao he's a afanatic for not wanting to marry someone who isnt a fellow Muslim but you're not for ignoring a naming cos of no show policy. Irony anyone?

and in the case of olabowale, one of his WIVES is actually Igbo(dont know how he was able to do that) and she converted.

same way a Christian man or woman should marry a fellow Christian, I dont see what's wrong in olabowale wanting a fellow muslim as a wife.

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No sir, you do not need to be a saint, but you must have it as an aspiration. If you are praying to your God to give you a successful operation when you go robbing at night then I do not want to worship your God with you. I am not into Gods of Egunje either.

For me the important thing is the aspiration. When I share an aspiration with someone then together we can encourage each other in the direction of that aspiration.

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@Deepzone: « #40 on: Today at 02:37:02 AM »

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@Olabowale,

Assuming you are looking for a wife and lo, you met this preety Indian woman who is Hindu. Are you telling me that you will never be intimate with her or marry her because she's of the devil?

What if BY mistake you get her pregnant, are you going to reject that child because devil created him or her?

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No intimacy with any woman, unless she is my wife, with full intention that she and me will grow old together. No pretense, please. My Lord knows my heart. I can't hide my intention from Him! Again, Islam does not allow a wife to be idolator. Thats exactly what a Hindu person is.

Just a noteworthy statement; even though it is permisable to marry a Jew or a Christian wife, I will not do it. A woman who is not a Muslim, alread will have to revert to islam, practice it, with clear consistency, for the pleasure of God. In the process she may find another muslim man she wants to marry. Thats fine with me. But if she still wants me after her revertion, then I will marry her.

I do not want to hae any bady out of wedlock. I do not sleep around.

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yeye woman stop answering my question with questions

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you need to see them nigerian muslims drinking oranges like refugees immediately after breaking their fast. yoruba muslims are something else.

funmi- how come u didn't stay around muslims, most yoruba families are usually a combination of christians, muslims and that obscure ifa worshiping grandpa in the village.

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How come you know that much

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Again, you may have given a plausible reason for me to consider taking off my shoes but that reason does not hold for a church. We all know why they do that anyway and let nobody tell me that Moses taking off his shoes bullshit story.

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I'd rather stay away from your home. Why should I remove my shoes in order to enter your home? There is no reason why Cele or Cher/Seraph should ask me to remove my shoes before entering their church apart from the fact that they meddle with voodoo, AKA juju.

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@Pastor AIO,

So your church is filled with only saints even the new converts?

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Assuming you are looking for a wife and lo, you met this preety Indian woman who is Hindu. Are you telling me that you will never be intimate with her or marry her because she's of the devil?

What if BY mistake you get her pregnant, are you going to reject that child because devil created him or her?

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LOL.

Olabowale, please cease from offerring salah in the Church. It is disrespectful, you wouldn't want me doing the sing of te cross in a mosque or praying in Jesus name in the mosque will you?

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do i have to take part in the spiritual exercises. if it's just eating and drinking(no alcohol), then fine.  don't christian igbo's participate in their new yam festival or something

give me a bleeping bread, islam,judaism and christianity all belong to the same branch of theism.  they are abrahamaic faiths with different interpretations.  islam and christian are similar just like the yoruba and bini laguage belong to one language family. 

some folks would be growing their food if they knew the amount of rituals done in nigerian markets.

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you people as still arguing here. If i am offered Salah meat i will gladly bless it and eat.

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Come on everybody I go the right answer for you which is NO

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But then not totally hypocritical if deep down I harbour the intention of gently breaking my real opinion to the person. I just won't slam it on them gbolah! without any sensitivity. I might start off with a few hints. Then one day, apparently unpremeditated, fall into a conversation with them about my opinions and views.

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I'm sorry, I was previously unaware of who the Almajiris were but I have since googled it. The Funny thing is that Google.com sent me right back to Nairaland where I found an article on it.

I do not deny any charges of hypocrisy/two-facedness but I will also say that it is integral to the whole process of human socialisation. Today alone, could you tell me that you've said everything that came to your mind when it involved someone else's sensitivity. Yes hypocrisy, but it is also often called politeness or diplomacy.

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My brother does that mean that you cannot eat out in restaurants etc. Because I'm sure a great deal of chefs out there in NY are atheists. Not to mention office parties, or even just ordinary Snickers chocolate.

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Maharaji in sanskrit means the Great King. Well yes, I'm a great king thanks to a great inheritance that I've received through the Good Grace of the Jesus Christ. But I'm not a Guru, so that part is wrong.

In my language Olu mba means the Lord has perched. I don't know whether he is perched on a tree or on a wall. But as far as I know only birds and witches perch. My lord is not a bird. So I can't identify with Olumba.

I am happy to fellowship with christians with whom I feel a commonality, however I am not ready to enter any ol' jekuredi church to start worshipping some unknown entities with armed robbers and murderers. So please don't invite me to your church (that is a general request to everybody, not just DeepZone).

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Deepzone:« #18 on: Today at 12:53:47 PM »

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Atheists apart, why reject the food from a Buddhist or Hindu? Are we not worshiping the same God(according to you guys) from different media?

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The Lord, Allah commands this on all believers, the muslims. Even though the people of the books are regarded as kafirun, disbelievers. The Hindus, Buhhdists and others are called Mushriks, idolworshippers. Their foods and women, regardless of the scent, aroma and beautity, respectively are forbidden! And we do not worship their deity. We worship our own Deity, The deity whose personal name is Allah!

I will not compromise Islam. I may attend a church ceremony of happiness. Maybe i will stay outside in the case of funeral, etc. But definitely when they pray to their 3 gods, I do not want to be there! This is serious and I am not laughing, even though I also did!

Its funny how they have 3 gods; father, son and ghost and all of a sudden it turns out to be 1! Hoodinni can't even try that one. But the christians are good at masking the issue with whatever explanation they can offre; from the three states of water, or the egg, etc!

And I offerred Salah many times, in churches, before!

If you give me your Christmas and or Easter foods, am gonna eat them! If you are a good cook. Okay! But don't invite me all year round, but except these two occassions. You want meto eat your food, bring it to me. And by the way the brother who is refusing to attend your special occassions may be right.

You will have to admit that Jesus was not born on the 25th of December! You also have to admit that Easter gives that mixed message as it to ask the question; did all of the 3 gods die and woke up? Big questions, heh?

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Again, will you attend a christian wedding in a church and partake in the church service for just an hour because the groom is a good friend of yours?

I'm asking you this because I know a muslim brother here who will not relent to invite you for any Islamic thing but can never ever enter the church or attend any christian feast. Invite him to your home on a christmas or easter and see him come up with a very sorry excuse to avoid it.

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Which brings us to the real reason for the idea that we all worship the same God. It's political. We say it to keep the peace. I personally would have collected the food in the first place, but then discreetly binned it if I didn't want to eat it. I think that the real reason why you sent it back in the first place is to make a show of your christianity's exclusivity. I don't know you to say that for sure but it is just what I suspect.

Me personally, I've got to the point that I do not even want to pray with other so called christians because I very much doubt that we are praying to the same God. And that is even before we get to the point of sharing communion or any other meal with them.

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Alhamdulillah. Am a muslim. I will eat the animal slaughtered with Jesus name called on it. I will eat the meals prepared by Christians and Jews, as long they do not have pork or its byproducts, alcohol and anything that Islam forbids in the food!

Thats moderation, a middle course that Allah, the Almighty permits for muslims. I will say Bismillah on it. That also include any food prepared by Muslims. But I will not eat from those others; atheists, buhhdists, etc. It is not permissable, while the foods of jews and christians are! It is in there in Surah Al Maidah. So are their women as wives for muslim men!

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@affee,

I don't think that I ever argued that Christianity does. The lesson should be well suited to those who have the fancy of arguing to make them the same.

Well, your say.

Okay, we all have our various persuasions. I think the issue is quite plain and simple. One should not receive what they have rejected in their hearts. 1 Corinthians 10 shows has plain teaching on this subject.

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I believe that sallah food,according to the Christian faith has been sacrificed to idols.

any food given to my family on sallah day is given back to the almajiris.

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@bawomolo,

Correction: Islam at its very core does not teach that we worship the same God. This fancy idea has been held on for eons that it's amazing how many people can be easily swept along in that deluge.

Secondly, I was actually waiting for one of your ratioonalist atheist to mention this point about the two groups. But hey, isn't that the very same thing that happens among atheists? Do atheists not have the same discombobulation even in defining what they mean by atheism? My dear, it may be alright to rationalize this idea away; but the reality is that atheists among themsleves do not hold to a consensus of what they actually stand for when it comes to actually defining their core beliefs. They also drive wedges between their ideals.

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But I don't have to partake in the prayers. I ask again, will you attend an ogboni ceremony assuming a friend who's a member invited you for their special occasion that includes eating, drinking and spiritual exercises?

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how can i glorify something abstract, again u are not an active participant in the sallah celebration, are u claiming not to have eaten beef in naija. u think the hausa cattle rearer didn't pray over his cattle or sule the butcher didn't do some prayers before cutting up the beef. there is no big deal.

we are all sinners according to the bible, it's so hilarious how two groups of people who worship the same god can drive a wedge between each other

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@poster:

Is Sallah similiar to Christmas/Easter celebration? If yes, I see no reason for a christian to attend.

Jesus associated himself with people from all walks of life (sinners and prostitutes, regular Jews who didn't believe in him). He knew that we are all equally sinners and no one was any better than another. Christ had enough love in his heart to find even the down-and-out types to be worthy of dining with.

So, yeah, dinning with the sinners might seem "wrong" to you and me, but the Lord made no distinction among sins or sinners and came to save all mankind.

Peace

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1 Cor 8 is your answer.

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why not, what's the big deal. most butchers in nigeria are muslims and usually perform muslim prayers on the beef before they cut it up. does that mean u should avoid beef? aren't muslims praying to one God just through a different medium. you could be a spectator at the event without actively participating. people and their holy holy attitude

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